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Doc Who Tied Vaccine to Autism Ruled Unethical (2 Viewers)

That's not a very good article. There's no good evidence supporting creationism. There are peer-reviewed papers in respected science journals suggesting potential benefits associated with probiotics (and prebiotics).

Yes, homeopathy is stupid and should be ridiculed at every opportunity. But Whole Foods doesn't exist to promote homeopathy the way that the Creation Museum exists to promote creationism. Whole Foods exists to sell food that isn't laced with tons of Round-Up, or pumped full of antibiotics, or coated with refined sugar. That's not a consequence of pseudoscience; it's a consequence of wanting to be healthy, ethically responsible, and environmentally conscious.

 
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What if a big TV station came out with a blockbuster story claiming that infant car seats were implicated in cerebral palsy (CP)? After all, something like 99.7% of babies diagnosed with cerebral palsy had been brought home from the hospital in a car seat. In fact, every single time they went anywhere in a car, they were strapped into them. That’s an impressive number. There has to be some connection!

Imagine video of kids crying piteously as they’re buckled into the wretched contraptions. After all, car seats are restraining and uncomfortable. Kids hate them. But parents have been duped into using the damn things claiming it makes their children safer. Pshaw! How could a baby be safer anywhere other than in its mother’s arms?

Suppose this idea gained traction. Cerebral palsy is a dreadful thing. Why take the risk? Don’t use those nasty old car seats. Besides, don’t you know that the doctors who recommend them are all getting kickbacks from the manufacturers? (Less preposterous than kickbacks from vaccine manufacturers. Far more money in car seats.)

Some Playboy celebrity reality centerfold comes out as the spokesperson against car seats. Suddenly there’s pushback from new parents who want to decide for themselves what the safest way is to transport their precious bundle. Never mind decades of car seat research. They may not be automotive engineers, but their parental gut feelings are good enough. Besides, no automotive engineer ever had to listen to their baby cry whenever she gets strapped in.

Facebook communities emerge where car seat refusal is supported and celebrated as the newest way to keep babies safe. Parents are carefully steered to “research” that hypes the dangers of CP. “Why take unnecessary risks?” becomes their mantra. Because the hype is scary. Parents of kids with CP conspire to sue the car seat manufacturers, because “Someone’s got to pay!” Why did this happen to their child? No one has any good answers and vague discussions about prenatal injury to the brain like, “sometimes these things happen,” is just not good enough.

Of course there’s no plausible connection between car seats and cerebral palsy. But that doesn’t matter. Studies are done to try and prove car seats don’t cause CP, which is technically impossible, since you can’t prove a negative. The anti-carseaters deny that they’re against car seats. They just want “safe” ones: defined as ones that don’t cause cerebral palsy. Do a large double-blind trial: Randomly assign some babies to car seats and some to be held in mom’s arms and see how many in each group develop CP, they cry. It will take nothing less to convince them.

What happens? By and large, nothing much. Most kids don’t develop CP, however they travel in cars. And the vast majority of babies who ride in mom’s arms arrive safely at their destinations. There is a small uptick in infant fatalities that steadily grows as more and more people refuse to use car seats, but not many people take notice. The occasional family is devastated by the loss of a baby in a crash, and vow to tell their story high and wide. They do, but the only minds it changes are the ones that weren’t already made up.

Far-fetched? Sadly, not so much.
 
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What if a big TV station came out with a blockbuster story claiming that infant car seats were implicated in cerebral palsy (CP)? After all, something like 99.7% of babies diagnosed with cerebral palsy had been brought home from the hospital in a car seat. In fact, every single time they went anywhere in a car, they were strapped into them. That’s an impressive number. There has to be some connection!

Imagine video of kids crying piteously as they’re buckled into the wretched contraptions. After all, car seats are restraining and uncomfortable. Kids hate them. But parents have been duped into using the damn things claiming it makes their children safer. Pshaw! How could a baby be safer anywhere other than in its mother’s arms?

Suppose this idea gained traction. Cerebral palsy is a dreadful thing. Why take the risk? Don’t use those nasty old car seats. Besides, don’t you know that the doctors who recommend them are all getting kickbacks from the manufacturers? (Less preposterous than kickbacks from vaccine manufacturers. Far more money in car seats.)

Some Playboy celebrity reality centerfold comes out as the spokesperson against car seats. Suddenly there’s pushback from new parents who want to decide for themselves what the safest way is to transport their precious bundle. Never mind decades of car seat research. They may not be automotive engineers, but their parental gut feelings are good enough. Besides, no automotive engineer ever had to listen to their baby cry whenever she gets strapped in.

Facebook communities emerge where car seat refusal is supported and celebrated as the newest way to keep babies safe. Parents are carefully steered to “research” that hypes the dangers of CP. “Why take unnecessary risks?” becomes their mantra. Because the hype is scary. Parents of kids with CP conspire to sue the car seat manufacturers, because “Someone’s got to pay!” Why did this happen to their child? No one has any good answers and vague discussions about prenatal injury to the brain like, “sometimes these things happen,” is just not good enough.

Of course there’s no plausible connection between car seats and cerebral palsy. But that doesn’t matter. Studies are done to try and prove car seats don’t cause CP, which is technically impossible, since you can’t prove a negative. The anti-carseaters deny that they’re against car seats. They just want “safe” ones: defined as ones that don’t cause cerebral palsy. Do a large double-blind trial: Randomly assign some babies to car seats and some to be held in mom’s arms and see how many in each group develop CP, they cry. It will take nothing less to convince them.

What happens? By and large, nothing much. Most kids don’t develop CP, however they travel in cars. And the vast majority of babies who ride in mom’s arms arrive safely at their destinations. There is a small uptick in infant fatalities that steadily grows as more and more people refuse to use car seats, but not many people take notice. The occasional family is devastated by the loss of a baby in a crash, and vow to tell their story high and wide. They do, but the only minds it changes are the ones that weren’t already made up.

Far-fetched? Sadly, not so much.
Spot-on.

 
Saw a rebuke of fluoride from a Facebook mom today. Didn't see that one coming, but she's married to a chiropractor, so she's probably used to embracing pseudoscience.

 
I work with students with disabilities such as Autism and Bi-Polar, it's shocking how many patents have these backwards misconceptions. So many of them won't even give their kids medicine because they think it's unhealthy for their kids.

 
Saw a rebuke of fluoride from a Facebook mom today. Didn't see that one coming, but she's married to a chiropractor, so she's probably used to embracing pseudoscience.
I work with students with disabilities such as Autism and Bi-Polar, it's shocking how many patents have these backwards misconceptions. So many of them won't even give their kids medicine because they think it's unhealthy for their kids.
Ran out of likes thanks to our short-sighted and fascist overlords.

 
Saw a rebuke of fluoride from a Facebook mom today. Didn't see that one coming, but she's married to a chiropractor, so she's probably used to embracing pseudoscience.
I work with students with disabilities such as Autism and Bi-Polar, it's shocking how many patents have these backwards misconceptions. So many of them won't even give their kids medicine because they think it's unhealthy for their kids.
Ran out of likes thanks to our short-sighted and fascist overlords.
Your appreciation won't go overlooked here. Adding to my last post, you knows what's not healthy for your kid? Being bi-polar with psychotic tendencies and not receiving any treatment.

 
Am I the only one who, every time I see this thread toitle, for a split second, I thinks it's a Doctor Who thread?

 
Is there an official vaccination thread? It seems that there are a bunch of threads, including this one, that are about equally long. Anyway, I'll put this here:

Chuck Norris is an idiot.
Well to be fair about 1 in 1.5 million doses causes an anaphylatic reaction.

Anaphylaxis may occur following exposure to allergens from a variety of sources including food, aeroallergens, venom, drugs, and immunisations. Vaccines are a mixture of compounds and allergic sensitisation can occur to any component. Individuals may be sensitised to the vaccine antigens, adjuvants (e.g., alum), excipients used in the manufacturing process (e.g., gelatin, neomycin) or a latex stopper on the vial.1,2
As pointed out here though the source could be anything involved including the latex stopper.

 
Fun question to ponder:

If an Ebola vaccine was developed and available tomorrow, would most non-vaccinators get in line?

 
I ran across this article on Facebook. Lots of my more educated friends are anti-vaccine. I've come around on vaccines in general thanks to the efforts of Maurile and others around here, but I have never gotten nor had my kids get a flu vaccine.

Curious to know the validity and accuracy of the article. It plays right into the fears of the anti-vaccine crowd; that big money is made by big pharma pushing drugs on the public through doctors and the CDC while there are more side effects than benefits. If any of this is true, it will put a big feather in the cap of the anti-vaccinites.

 
I ran across this article on Facebook. Lots of my more educated friends are anti-vaccine. I've come around on vaccines in general thanks to the efforts of Maurile and others around here, but I have never gotten nor had my kids get a flu vaccine.

Curious to know the validity and accuracy of the article. It plays right into the fears of the anti-vaccine crowd; that big money is made by big pharma pushing drugs on the public through doctors and the CDC while there are more side effects than benefits. If any of this is true, it will put a big feather in the cap of the anti-vaccinites.
Generally what I like to do when trying to determine the validity of an article on a website I've never heard of is to review the topics of their other lead stories. Some of the top articles today on Your News Wire:

Disgusting: ‘Artificial Micro Humans’ To Be ‘Farmed’ For Drug Testing By 2017

Truth Time: Pilots, Doctors, & Scientists Tell The Truth About Chemtrails/Geo-Engineering

US: “We Are In The Bullseye!” Expert Warns, “By Midweek, All Hell’s Going To Break Loose!”

Another Fake Bin Laden Story (notable because the article's photo is one of Obama dressed to look like Bin Laden, apparently)

The Criminality of the GMO Biotech Industry. “Poison First, Regulate Later”

INCREDIBLE: How A Mother Cured Her Daughter’s Eczema With A Raw Diet

Ayurvedic Herbs That Have Been Shown To Destroy Cancer Cells

Here Are 10 Ways To Immediately Kill The Ebola Virus That No One Is Talking About

Was Ebola Engineered To Infect Only A Certain Set of People?

Florida Mom Blames 10 Year Old Daughter’s Paralysis On Flu Shot

Also, the article you linked lists its source as...wait for it....Newsmax.

 
I ran across this article on Facebook. Lots of my more educated friends are anti-vaccine. I've come around on vaccines in general thanks to the efforts of Maurile and others around here, but I have never gotten nor had my kids get a flu vaccine.

Curious to know the validity and accuracy of the article. It plays right into the fears of the anti-vaccine crowd; that big money is made by big pharma pushing drugs on the public through doctors and the CDC while there are more side effects than benefits. If any of this is true, it will put a big feather in the cap of the anti-vaccinites.
Generally what I like to do when trying to determine the validity of an article on a website I've never heard of is to review the topics of their other lead stories. Some of the top articles today on Your News Wire:

Disgusting: ‘Artificial Micro Humans’ To Be ‘Farmed’ For Drug Testing By 2017

Truth Time: Pilots, Doctors, & Scientists Tell The Truth About Chemtrails/Geo-Engineering

US: “We Are In The Bullseye!” Expert Warns, “By Midweek, All Hell’s Going To Break Loose!”

Another Fake Bin Laden Story (notable because the article's photo is one of Obama dressed to look like Bin Laden, apparently)

The Criminality of the GMO Biotech Industry. “Poison First, Regulate Later”

INCREDIBLE: How A Mother Cured Her Daughter’s Eczema With A Raw Diet

Ayurvedic Herbs That Have Been Shown To Destroy Cancer Cells

Here Are 10 Ways To Immediately Kill The Ebola Virus That No One Is Talking About

Was Ebola Engineered To Infect Only A Certain Set of People?

Florida Mom Blames 10 Year Old Daughter’s Paralysis On Flu Shot

Also, the article you linked lists its source as...wait for it....Newsmax.
Right, but also the British News Journal....it may be a bunch of hooey, but just discounting it because of the website its on doesn't fly with those who believe it.

 
I ran across this article on Facebook. Lots of my more educated friends are anti-vaccine. I've come around on vaccines in general thanks to the efforts of Maurile and others around here, but I have never gotten nor had my kids get a flu vaccine.

Curious to know the validity and accuracy of the article. It plays right into the fears of the anti-vaccine crowd; that big money is made by big pharma pushing drugs on the public through doctors and the CDC while there are more side effects than benefits. If any of this is true, it will put a big feather in the cap of the anti-vaccinites.
Generally what I like to do when trying to determine the validity of an article on a website I've never heard of is to review the topics of their other lead stories. Some of the top articles today on Your News Wire:

Disgusting: ‘Artificial Micro Humans’ To Be ‘Farmed’ For Drug Testing By 2017

Truth Time: Pilots, Doctors, & Scientists Tell The Truth About Chemtrails/Geo-Engineering

US: “We Are In The Bullseye!” Expert Warns, “By Midweek, All Hell’s Going To Break Loose!”

Another Fake Bin Laden Story (notable because the article's photo is one of Obama dressed to look like Bin Laden, apparently)

The Criminality of the GMO Biotech Industry. “Poison First, Regulate Later”

INCREDIBLE: How A Mother Cured Her Daughter’s Eczema With A Raw Diet

Ayurvedic Herbs That Have Been Shown To Destroy Cancer Cells

Here Are 10 Ways To Immediately Kill The Ebola Virus That No One Is Talking About

Was Ebola Engineered To Infect Only A Certain Set of People?

Florida Mom Blames 10 Year Old Daughter’s Paralysis On Flu Shot

Also, the article you linked lists its source as...wait for it....Newsmax.
Right, but also the British News Journal....it may be a bunch of hooey, but just discounting it because of the website its on doesn't fly with those who believe it.
Counterpoint

 
Right, but also the British News Journal....it may be a bunch of hooey, but just discounting it because of the website its on doesn't fly with those who believe it.
:shrug: Half of the article cites bits and pieces of out-of-context snippets of a British Medical Journal article that I can't read. And then the other half of the article is an interview between Newsmax (one of the least credible news sources in America) and Dr. Russell Blaylock. I've never heard of Russell Blaylock, so I looked him up. Per Wikipedia:

Blaylock has endorsed views inconsistent with the scientific consensus, including that food additives such as aspartame and monosodium glutamate (MSG) are excitotoxic in normal doses and that the H1N1 influenza (swine flu) vaccine carries more risk than swine flu itself.[2][3][4]
Blaylock opposes the use of certain vaccines. He has urged avoidance of the swine flu (H1N1) vaccination, which he claims is more dangerous than the infection itself. He has also given advice on what he feels an individual should do if faced with mandatory vaccination,[12] although current research indicates that an effective vaccine is a vital tool in protecting the public and that the H1N1 vaccine is both safe and effective.[4][13] Blaylock suggests that Vitamin D, fish oil and antioxidants are effective against catching the flu. According to McGill University's Joe Schwarcz, there is no evidence for these claims.[14]
Blaylock has called the American medical system 'collectivist' and has suggested that health-care reform efforts under President Obama are masterminded by extragovernmental groups that wish to impose euthanasia.[25] He blamed the purported collectivism of American medicine for the retirement of his friend Miguel Faria. According to Blaylock, the former Soviet Union tried to spread collectivism by covertly introducing illegal drugs and various sexually transmitted diseases into the United States.[25] Schwarcz characterized these positions as "conspiracy theories."[25]
Blaylock has appeared on the Christian Broadcasting Network (CBN), including on the network's The 700 Club, a talk show started by televangelist Pat Robertson.[29][30][31] Blaylock states that he has also been a guest on over fifty syndicated radio programs, and is a frequent guest on Alex Jones Infowars.com[5]
People will grasp to believe whatever they want to believe, no matter how ludicrous. It's often a good idea to consider the source.....

 
I ran across this article on Facebook. Lots of my more educated friends are anti-vaccine. I've come around on vaccines in general thanks to the efforts of Maurile and others around here, but I have never gotten nor had my kids get a flu vaccine.

Curious to know the validity and accuracy of the article. It plays right into the fears of the anti-vaccine crowd; that big money is made by big pharma pushing drugs on the public through doctors and the CDC while there are more side effects than benefits. If any of this is true, it will put a big feather in the cap of the anti-vaccinites.
It is neither valid nor accurate. Period.

 
I ran across this article on Facebook. Lots of my more educated friends are anti-vaccine. I've come around on vaccines in general thanks to the efforts of Maurile and others around here, but I have never gotten nor had my kids get a flu vaccine.

Curious to know the validity and accuracy of the article. It plays right into the fears of the anti-vaccine crowd; that big money is made by big pharma pushing drugs on the public through doctors and the CDC while there are more side effects than benefits. If any of this is true, it will put a big feather in the cap of the anti-vaccinites.
Generally what I like to do when trying to determine the validity of an article on a website I've never heard of is to review the topics of their other lead stories. Some of the top articles today on Your News Wire:

Disgusting: ‘Artificial Micro Humans’ To Be ‘Farmed’ For Drug Testing By 2017

Truth Time: Pilots, Doctors, & Scientists Tell The Truth About Chemtrails/Geo-Engineering

US: “We Are In The Bullseye!” Expert Warns, “By Midweek, All Hell’s Going To Break Loose!”

Another Fake Bin Laden Story (notable because the article's photo is one of Obama dressed to look like Bin Laden, apparently)

The Criminality of the GMO Biotech Industry. “Poison First, Regulate Later”

INCREDIBLE: How A Mother Cured Her Daughter’s Eczema With A Raw Diet

Ayurvedic Herbs That Have Been Shown To Destroy Cancer Cells

Here Are 10 Ways To Immediately Kill The Ebola Virus That No One Is Talking About

Was Ebola Engineered To Infect Only A Certain Set of People?

Florida Mom Blames 10 Year Old Daughter’s Paralysis On Flu Shot

Also, the article you linked lists its source as...wait for it....Newsmax.
Right, but also the British News Journal....it may be a bunch of hooey, but just discounting it because of the website its on doesn't fly with those who believe it.
Counterpoint
Thank you!

That's exactly what I was looking for.

 
Not related to vaccines, but compelling theory on autism

http://www.medicaldaily.com/autism-

rates-increase-2025-glyphosate-herbicide-may-be-responsible-future-half-316388

Dr. Seneff predicts that by 2025, 50% of US births will have autism, due to herbicides.

 
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Not related to vaccines, but compelling theory on autism

http://www.medicaldaily.com/autism-

rates-increase-2025-glyphosate-herbicide-may-be-responsible-future-half-316388

Dr. Seneff predicts that by 2025, 50% of US births will have autism, due to herbicides.
Not a stretch at all unfortunately. The gov't sitting on it's hands too. Doesn't want to offend the all mighty Monsanto and their ilk. It's really sad what we put up with in this country.

 
Even disregarding the sloppy mathematics, the claim's very basis (that glyphosate is the cause of a perceived increase in autism) is unsupported. No mention was made of how glyphosate was isolated and shown to be a cause (or even a factor) in some or any cases of autism in the article. No autism spikes near agricultural facilities were described, nor was any definitive causative link at all cited by the article (and presumably, Seneff) to back up the purported link between glyphosate and autism rates anywhere other than the imaginations of those making the claim. The single link of merit made within the article (to a USDA report) made absolutely no mention of autism at all but was misleadingly arranged to suggest a connection.

What the claim seemed to hinge on largely was a correlation/causation fallacy: Because [unclear activity involving glyphosate] occurred, a corresponding rise in autism diagnoses must be due to that unspecified issue with glyphosate. Claims of a similar nature have been dispelled with graphs like the following that show how difficult (or simple) it is to "prove" any one cause correlates with any one effect:

Clearly the graph is tongue-in-cheek, but the sentiment is clear. Without peer-reviewed reproducible research, any number of factors can be blamed for what looks like a rise in autism rates. In actuality, scientists in a number of relevant fields have been working full-time to find real and provable answers to that question.

Whether educated or not, guesswork is only the start of research in epidemiology, and no published research exists to prove (or even suggest) a link between glyphosate and autism. No evidence was presented in the article to provide context for why glyphosate (or GMOs) would be any more likely to account for the presumed increase than other environmental factors, and it appeared the only visible connection between the two was their inclusion on a graph presented at a conference of an indeterminate nature.
 
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NajehHejan said:
Not related to vaccines, but compelling theory on autism

http://www.medicaldaily.com/autism-

rates-increase-2025-glyphosate-herbicide-may-be-responsible-future-half-316388

Dr. Seneff predicts that by 2025, 50% of US births will have autism, due to herbicides.
Not really compelling.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tamar-haspel/condemning-monsanto-with-_b_3162694.html

Guess before she blamed autism on vaccines. http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2012/11/20/dumpster-diving-in-the-vaers-database-again/

Likely cause of rise in autism: “the recent prevalence increase [of ASD] is likely attributable to extrinsic factors such as improved awareness and recognition and changes in diagnostic practice or service availability”. This is supported by the fact that recent statistics have noted an increase in the incidence of autism in specific populations and racial backgrounds, suggesting increasing awareness in such groups.'

 
The real cause of autism? http://i.imgur.com/1WZ6h.png

ETA: this was from an article showing the problem with correlating an outcome. correlation not causation.
Well, to be fair "organic" in this country isn't much more than a marketing ploy, so there very well could be a correlation. Doubt many know that things can be labeled "organic" if the old school pesticides/herbicides (natural ones) are used in place of the synthetic ones. Yes, the ones the synthetic ones were created to replace because they were so bad for us. I'll have to see if I can find the law. You won't find it in any federal brochures distributed to the general population...have to dig into the law and find it.

 
Disneyland Measles

Perfect example of the impact of anti-vaccine morons. People that got sick include unvaccinated (duh), kids too young to be vaccinated and people who were vaccinated but the vaccine was ineffective.

Herd immunity is real, people. The argument that it is only your business if you vaccinate your kids is not true.

 
Disneyland Measles

Perfect example of the impact of anti-vaccine morons. People that got sick include unvaccinated (duh), kids too young to be vaccinated and people who were vaccinated but the vaccine was ineffective.

Herd immunity is real, people. The argument that it is only your business if you vaccinate your kids is not true.
It is only our business, but people should be aware that our business can impact others. It's a self awareness issue. Lot's of folks don't have it.

 

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