Does Cedric Cobb have any value in Denver? (1 Viewer)

[thewaterboys]

Lee Rasizer, of the Rocky Mountain News, reports the Denver Broncos will have three, maybe four candidates to be the starting running back in 2006. The current candidates are RBs Ron Dayne, Tatum Bell and Cedric Cobbs. The team also may add another running back via the NFL Draft. Bell still is awaiting his opportunity for full-time duty despite a productive 921-yard season in 2005 that demonstrated his big-play ability, while Cobbs simply is eager for an opportunity. Former Broncos RB Mike Anderson added that, despite head coach Mike Shanahan's public proclamation in January that "everybody would like that franchise back, that you could give the ball 30 times a game," the Broncos might continue with a two-pronged attack because it worked so well last season.

Taken from KFFL

I know Cobbs was burried behind Dillon last year but I don't know much more than that. Does anyone think that he has sleeper potential? Could he beat out Dayne and play RBBC with Bell?

 

[Bob Henry]

If he's on the roster, at this point, he has value. Now, that's a wide brush we're painting with, but certainly he is of interest.

For whatever reason, Cobbs failed to make ANY impact in New England, he still has a chance to compete and at least earn a roster spot in Denver after spending a season on the practice squad. I've heard good things about him, but just about everyone thinks the Broncos won't stand pat with their current stable. So, if/when they draft a back, we'll see how things shake out in camp and pre-season. I think he's a pretty good bet to make the team, but not sure he'll beat out Dayne, Bell or a rookie. If the Broncos do something like trade Bell on draft day, then Cobbs would definitely become a player of more interest.

 

[David Yudkin]

I suspect Cobbs will be fourth on the depth chart after the rookie they draft in the first, Dayne, and Bell.

Cobbs was on the Broncos and never saw the field on offense (at least never had a carry).

 

[Cecil Lammey]

There's a positive buzz about Cobbs out at Dove Valley. I know that Shanny wanted to draft him, but decided to take Tatum Bell in the 2nd.

IMHO he's the most complete back out of all the current Bronco backs. The reason he didn't see the field is because he was still learning the ropes. I think the fact that he held onto his job (and didn't get cut like alot of PS guys) means that coaches like what they saw out of him.

He needs to stay healthy and motivated, but I think Cobbs has plenty of value. Now if the Broncos take a RB on the first day (DeAngelo Williams?) then his value obviously takes a hit.

 

[Kit Fisto]

There's a positive buzz about Cobbs out at Dove Valley.  I know that Shanny wanted to draft him, but decided to take Tatum Bell in the 2nd. 

IMHO he's the most complete back out of all the current Bronco backs.  The reason he didn't see the field is because he was still learning the ropes.  I think the fact that he held onto his job (and didn't get cut like alot of PS guys) means that coaches like what they saw out of him. 

He needs to stay healthy and motivated, but I think Cobbs has plenty of value.  Now if the Broncos take a RB on the first day (DeAngelo Williams?) then his value obviously takes a hit.

I think the only one here with a positive buzz are the people who are holding out hope for Cobbs, simply because he's on the Broncos. Seriously, if this guy was on say... the Browns practice squad... would this thread even exist?Value? Value! He has no value unless you're in a 18-team, carry 8 RBs league. Has anyone ever heard of coachspeak, or do you just fall all over yourselves everytime a coach says something positive about a fantasy player?

Cedric Cobbs was cut from New England because he was a lazy, egotistical, self-proclaimed superstar who didn't think he needed to put in any work during the week in order to see the field on Sunday. Good luck with that. Tatum Bell can't do enough to impress Shanahan, but Cedric Cobbs will?

"IMHO he's the most complete back out of all the current Bronco backs."

 

[P Boy]

I think the only one here with a positive buzz are the people who are holding out hope for Cobbs, simply because he's on the Broncos. Seriously, if this guy was on say... the Browns practice squad... would this thread even exist?

I have heard virtually NO buzz about Cobbs, positive, negative, or otherwise coming out of Dove Valley.When I think of Cobbs on the Broncos' roster, I think of guys like Santonio Beard, Cecil Sapp, Karon Coleman, Vaughn Hebron, Anthony Lynn, etc. They are guys who can take a few reps in practice when the big dogs need a break and they fill special teams niches.

 

[Birdie048]

There's a positive buzz about Cobbs out at Dove Valley. I know that Shanny wanted to draft him, but decided to take Tatum Bell in the 2nd.

IMHO he's the most complete back out of all the current Bronco backs. The reason he didn't see the field is because he was still learning the ropes. I think the fact that he held onto his job (and didn't get cut like alot of PS guys) means that coaches like what they saw out of him.

He needs to stay healthy and motivated, but I think Cobbs has plenty of value. Now if the Broncos take a RB on the first day (DeAngelo Williams?) then his value obviously takes a hit.

While I am hoping Cobbs has some value, I am not holding my breath on him. He injured his leg (calf?) in a pre-season game and missed alot of time due to the injury. He is very happy in Denver (unlike things in NE, for whatever reason - maybe the weather?)I see him as a sleeper, but not much more. I have him (obligated with a contract like an anchor!) so I have been following him. Shanny has talked positive of all 3 RB's and it was rumored Cobbs was the main reason Mike Anderson was allowed to depart (age was not the sole reason since he had "low milage" as a RB).

His attitude right now is showing a strong committment to the Broncos plans. He is doing everything asked of him. IMHO, Bell and Dayne will be BRRC until Cobbs can show if he can add real game time value to the running game.

I say if you have roster space, hold him. But don't have high expectations for him!

 

[Ten Yard Fight]

There's a positive buzz about Cobbs out at Dove Valley. I know that Shanny wanted to draft him, but decided to take Tatum Bell in the 2nd.

IMHO he's the most complete back out of all the current Bronco backs. The reason he didn't see the field is because he was still learning the ropes. I think the fact that he held onto his job (and didn't get cut like alot of PS guys) means that coaches like what they saw out of him.

He needs to stay healthy and motivated, but I think Cobbs has plenty of value. Now if the Broncos take a RB on the first day (DeAngelo Williams?) then his value obviously takes a hit.

I think the only one here with a positive buzz are the people who are holding out hope for Cobbs, simply because he's on the Broncos. Seriously, if this guy was on say... the Browns practice squad... would this thread even exist?Value? Value! He has no value unless you're in a 18-team, carry 8 RBs league. Has anyone ever heard of coachspeak, or do you just fall all over yourselves everytime a coach says something positive about a fantasy player?

Cedric Cobbs was cut from New England because he was a lazy, egotistical, self-proclaimed superstar who didn't think he needed to put in any work during the week in order to see the field on Sunday. Good luck with that. Tatum Bell can't do enough to impress Shanahan, but Cedric Cobbs will?

"IMHO he's the most complete back out of all the current Bronco backs."

He's my 8th running back in a dynasty league. I'm very interested in hearing discussion about his progress.

 

[zamboni]

Cobbs may appear to be a longshot, but I think we can all agree that you can't discount ANYONE that may be on the Broncos roster.

The fact that the once-forgotten Dayne may be the starter is just the most recent evidence.

 

[UnknownCoach]

I wouldnt write him off, certainly not for Ron Dayne.

Tatum Bell is still there though, and they'll likely draft somebody or possibly end up with Ricky Williams if he wins his appeal.

Denver's backup is always valueable. Bell isnt a model of health. It wouldnt surprise me to see Cobbs beat out Dayne if Bell were to go down.

 

[Keg]

i think i read that someone said he was like Vince Young...

dumb(i added the VY part but that was the knock according to what i read a few months ago sorry no link and cant even begin to remember where i saw it)

 

[Kit Fisto]

dumb... that was the knock according to what i read a few months ago

You're right, anyone that young who blows an opportunity to play for the champs is dumb.

 

[FFFIEND]

I would keep an eye out for him. He showed a lot of ability at Arkansas, so I could see him being the next Olandis Gary or Reuben Droughns. However, his chances are pretty slim. That said, I would keep an eye on him. The knock on him is his health.

 

[Mr. Football]

Cobbs may appear to be a longshot, but I think we can all agree that you can't discount ANYONE that may be on the Broncos roster.

The fact that the once-forgotten Dayne may be the starter is just the most recent evidence.

Bingo.Any RB on the Broncos - hell, any RB they're even considering adding to their roster - has some value. I wouldn't put my money on Cobb doing much, but it's definitely not out of the question. He can easily impress the coaches at training camp or during the preseason and earn some playing time.

 

[VICK-tory]

Cobbs is someone to think abot, look at this, draftsharks reported a month ago:

Denver quietly signed RB Cedric Cobbs to their practice squad last month. The Denver Post reports Broncos HC Mike Shanahan was "interested in picking him in the 3rd round [2004] but instead opted for Tatum Bell a round earlier." Cobbs was a 2003 All-SEC RB at Arkansas who piled up 1,320 yards despite missing one game (and limping in 2 others) with a torn hamstring. He averaged 6.0 per carry that year and hung a combined 521 yards on LSU, Alabama, and Mississippi State. The Patriots took him in the 4th round but that same hammy flared up and ruined his first training camp. This is a new chance for Cobbs to show his skills and he's got a better mix of power/speed than Tatum Bell or Ron Dayne. If they don't take a RB with one of their two 1st rounders he'll make our Sleeper list.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

We only have to go back two seasons to remember when everyone was busy drafting Quentin Griffin, Tatum Bell, and Mike Anderson while the real guy to be had was Reuben Droughns.

If a backup FB can get the job, I see no reason why a 3rd or 4th string RB can't. He was pretty highly regarded by sharks coming out of college, you never know with Shanny...

 

[slayer666]

Cobbs is someone to think abot, look at this, draftsharks reported a month ago:

Denver quietly signed RB Cedric Cobbs to their practice squad last month. The Denver Post reports Broncos HC Mike Shanahan was "interested in picking him in the 3rd round [2004] but instead opted for Tatum Bell a round earlier." Cobbs was a 2003 All-SEC RB at Arkansas who piled up 1,320 yards despite missing one game (and limping in 2 others) with a torn hamstring. He averaged 6.0 per carry that year and hung a combined 521 yards on LSU, Alabama, and Mississippi State. The Patriots took him in the 4th round but that same hammy flared up and ruined his first training camp. This is a new chance for Cobbs to show his skills and he's got a better mix of power/speed than Tatum Bell or Ron Dayne. If they don't take a RB with one of their two 1st rounders he'll make our Sleeper list.

I agree with Draft Sharks take on this situation.If the Broncos draft a back in the 1st round, then all bets are off. If they don't... you have to think Cedric Cobbs has a shot, because it doesn't appear that Shanny is totally comfortable with the Dayne/Bell combo.

I don't want to be involved in this quagmire regardless of the outcome.

 

[UnknownCoach]

We only have to go back two seasons to remember when everyone was busy drafting Quentin Griffin, Tatum Bell, and Mike Anderson while the real guy to be had was Reuben Droughns.

If a backup FB can get the job, I see no reason why a 3rd or 4th string RB can't. He was pretty highly regarded by sharks coming out of college, you never know with Shanny...

Droughns only got the job after all 3 other guys got hurt. The only one who came back healthy enough to challenge him later was Griffin, who was just a bust as a starter and later released by the Broncos. Droughns was then traded away. Its clear to me that Droughns didnt beat out Anderson nor Bell with his skills.

 

[Portis 26]

Droughns only got the job after all 3 other guys got hurt. The only one who came back healthy enough to challenge him later was Griffin, who was just a bust as a starter and later released by the Broncos. Droughns was then traded away. Its clear to me that Droughns didnt beat out Anderson nor Bell with his skills.

I don't think, with respect, that's the point. The point is, the Broncos system is such that any back that steps in there has a chance to produce, and that includes Cobbs.

 

[P Boy]

If the Broncos draft a back in the 1st round, then all bets are off. If they don't... you have to think Cedric Cobbs has a shot, because it doesn't appear that Shanny is totally comfortable with the Dayne/Bell combo.

If that were the case, Shanahan certainly wouldn't have let Anderson go - because his cap number wouldn't have been excessive, and Anderson is surely a much more proven RB in DEN than Cobbs is.

 

[Portis 26]

If that were the case, Shanahan certainly wouldn't have let Anderson go - because his cap number wouldn't have been excessive, and Anderson is surely a much more proven RB in DEN than Cobbs is.

I think Anderson was let go because Shanahan felt comfortable with Dayne, rather than Cobbs. Dayne looked more explosive to me than Anderson last year, admittedly on the limited evidence that I saw.

 

[Bri]

project.

not in 06

 

[slayer666]

If the Broncos draft a back in the 1st round, then all bets are off. If they don't... you have to think Cedric Cobbs has a shot, because it doesn't appear that Shanny is totally comfortable with the Dayne/Bell combo.

If that were the case, Shanahan certainly wouldn't have let Anderson go - because his cap number wouldn't have been excessive, and Anderson is surely a much more proven RB in DEN than Cobbs is.

Mike Anderson who will be 33 years old at the beginning of the 2006 season was released due to his $2.57 million cap number. Before the Baltimore Ravens intervened, the Broncos were reportedly interested in bringing him back at a reduced price tag.

 

[Holy Schneikes]

project.

not in 06

A 25 year old project is better known as a becnh warmer.

 

[Team Legacy]

I think the only one here with a positive buzz are the people who are holding out hope for Cobbs, simply because he's on the Broncos. Seriously, if this guy was on say... the Browns practice squad... would this thread even exist?

I have heard virtually NO buzz about Cobbs, positive, negative, or otherwise coming out of Dove Valley.

When I think of Cobbs on the Broncos' roster, I think of guys like Santonio Beard, Cecil Sapp, Karon Coleman, Vaughn Hebron, Anthony Lynn, etc. They are guys who can take a few reps in practice when the big dogs need a break and they fill special teams niches.

NONE of these backs were as highly touted as Cedric Cobbs before draft day... Too bad I'm not in your dynasty league...

 

[UnknownCoach]

Droughns only got the job after all 3 other guys got hurt. The only one who came back healthy enough to challenge him later was Griffin, who was just a bust as a starter and later released by the Broncos. Droughns was then traded away. Its clear to me that Droughns didnt beat out Anderson nor Bell with his skills.

I don't think, with respect, that's the point. The point is, the Broncos system is such that any back that steps in there has a chance to produce, and that includes Cobbs.

The post mentioned (although barely) that you never know with Shanny. Which is why I got a different impression. Maybe the impression I got was wrong. Droughns didnt get the job because of Shanny's decision making though.

 

[Couch Potato]

The vast majority of 3rd-string RBs never amount to anything fantasywise, and that surprises no one. The thing is, once in awhile one does. Gado last year, Droughns and Goings the year before that, Dom Davis before that, etc. The path to starting for one of these players is always one that was a little or a lot unexpected, and the player then has to do something with the opportunity once he gets it. ReShard Lee had a shot, wasted it. Gado did something with it. The guys that say Cobbs CANT become the Denver starter lack vision and are ignoring history, for it happens every year for some players somewhere. The flip side is that the guys who overspend hoping Cobbs WILL be the starter lack sense, for it is a longshot.

No matter who the player is we're talking about in one of these longshot threads, there will be guys who come out of the woodwork telling you how worthless he is. That's fine, and again, most of the time they'll be right. But you'll also never, ever, land one of these sleepers if you simply write off every player who hasn't "proven" something.

What you have to do is decide if you think the player has the ability to produce if given the opportunity, whether there is any logical hope that he will get that opportunity, how much roster space you want to devote to longshots and what you are giving up to allocate that space. That's an individual judgment an owner has to make based on roster size, starting requirements, strength of the rest of the roster, etc.

Cobbs meets several criteria to have a chance, as a young player with enough talent and success in college that teams considered him a 2nd rounder had he not had off-field baggage, in a situation in Denver that is unsettled with no bona fide stud / recent 1st round pick ahead of him, and a HC who has started lower profile RBs in the past.

Do I want to have one Cobbs-like player at the end of my roster, taking space a 10th WR would otherwise take? Then it's probably no big deal to see what transpires in the offseason with the guy. On the other hand, do I want to clutter my roster with 6 of these projects, wasting space I need for viable backups who provide important depth? That'd be foolish, but I do see some guys do this.

Just be smart in deciding whether to take a chance on guys like Cobbs.

 

[Portis 26]

No matter who the player is we're talking about in one of these longshot threads, there will be guys who come out of the woodwork telling you how worthless he is. That's fine, and again, most of the time they'll be right. But you'll also never, ever, land one of these sleepers if you simply write off every player who hasn't "proven" something.

Wise words from Bruce.

 

[cstu]

dumb... that was the knock according to what i read a few months ago

You're right, anyone that young who blows an opportunity to play for the champs is dumb.

You're still calling them that?

 

[Bri]

No matter who the player is we're talking about in one of these longshot threads, there will be guys who come out of the woodwork telling you how worthless he is. That's fine, and again, most of the time they'll be right. But you'll also never, ever, land one of these sleepers if you simply write off every player who hasn't "proven" something.

Wise words from Bruce.

I disagree because I saw the Pats desperate for a RB last year and they didn't want him. Plus BB knows talent

 

[Portis 26]

I disagree because I saw the Pats desperate for a RB last year and they didn't want him. Plus BB knows talent

Bruce was making a general point - you're disagreeing about a specific player.

 

[Couch Potato]

I disagree because I saw the Pats desperate for a RB last year and they didn't want him. Plus BB knows talent

Bruce was making a general point - you're disagreeing about a specific player.

Right you are. While I did give a vague opinion on Cobbs in one paragraph, the overall point I was making in the rest of the post was a general one.

 

[Bri]

I disagree because I saw the Pats desperate for a RB last year and they didn't want him. Plus BB knows talent

Bruce was making a general point - you're disagreeing about a specific player.

Right you are. While I did give a vague opinion on Cobbs in one paragraph, the overall point I was making in the rest of the post was a general one.

sorry for commenting on Cobbs in this thread

 

[Couch Potato]

I disagree because I saw the Pats desperate for a RB last year and they didn't want him. Plus BB knows talent

Bruce was making a general point - you're disagreeing about a specific player.

Right you are. While I did give a vague opinion on Cobbs in one paragraph, the overall point I was making in the rest of the post was a general one.

sorry for commenting on Cobbs in this thread

Shhhhhmartazz.

 

[Cecil Lammey]

There's a positive buzz about Cobbs out at Dove Valley.  I know that Shanny wanted to draft him, but decided to take Tatum Bell in the 2nd. 

IMHO he's the most complete back out of all the current Bronco backs.  The reason he didn't see the field is because he was still learning the ropes.  I think the fact that he held onto his job (and didn't get cut like alot of PS guys) means that coaches like what they saw out of him. 

He needs to stay healthy and motivated, but I think Cobbs has plenty of value.  Now if the Broncos take a RB on the first day (DeAngelo Williams?) then his value obviously takes a hit.

I think the only one here with a positive buzz are the people who are holding out hope for Cobbs, simply because he's on the Broncos. Seriously, if this guy was on say... the Browns practice squad... would this thread even exist?Cedric Cobbs was cut from New England because he was a lazy, egotistical, self-proclaimed superstar who didn't think he needed to put in any work during the week in order to see the field on Sunday.

"IMHO he's the most complete back out of all the current Bronco backs."

First off, I don't have Cobbs in any of my leagues. Not trying to push an agenda, just passing on what I have heard from coaches out at Dove Valley.Kit, let's talk about what's going on right now, not what he did in New England (which was nothing).

Right now coaches are talking about Cobbs. They are impressed by the work that he's doing and has continued to do in the offseason. He seems to have matured and getting cut by NE was a BIG wake up call for him.

Remember, we're talking about VALUE. Cobbs has good value, because he has a good skill set, can be had for virtually nothing, and is in a system that he could really excel in.

Sure, Cobbs is a longshot to lead the team in rushing. But in that system, with opportunity, he could.

And as far as his skill set:

Dayne is a plodder, no footwork, good speed for a big man, but can't push a pile.

Bell is a speedster, has to gather himself to cut, willing inside runner, needs improvement as a receiver.

Cobbs has good vision, decent power, willing inside runner, can push a pile. He needs improvement as a receiver, needs to stay healthy, work ethic needs to stay on track.

 

[zamboni]

Again, many of the folks dismissing Cobbs as nothing but a piece of garbage are probably the same ones who were saying the same things about Dayne around this time last year.

You just never know...

 

[LHUCKS]

It's a shark move right now to secure Dayne and Cobbs while they're cheap.

 

[Bri]

It's a shark move right now to secure Dayne and Cobbs while they're cheap.

has a dynasty league existed in the last 5 years that didn't have every Denver(system) RB on a roster already?

 

[msommer]

In my 16 team league Cobbs (with a heavy contract) is available on the wire - so yes if he is worth 5% of your salary cap for the next two years he can be had...

 

[Bri]

5%

 

[SoloMatisse]

"Does Cedric Cobbs have any value in Denver?"

Did Reuben Droughns have any value in Denver?.....

 

[LHUCKS]

"Does Cedric Cobbs have any value in Denver?"

Did Reuben Droughns have any value in Denver?.....

 

[cscmtp]

Does anyone really want to carry 2 or 3 Denver RBs? No thanks.

 

[zamboni]

Does anyone really want to carry 2 or 3 Denver RBs? No thanks.

I don't think anyone is advocating that. Rather, I think the point is that if you are OK at RB and grab Cobbs very late in your draft, it can be one of those very low risk/high reward situations.

 

[Cecil Lammey]

Does anyone really want to carry 2 or 3 Denver RBs? No thanks.

I don't think anyone is advocating that. Rather, I think the point is that if you are OK at RB and grab Cobbs very late in your draft, it can be one of those very low risk/high reward situations.

 

[Beaumont]

It's a shark move right now to secure Dayne and Cobbs while they're cheap.

In my recent experience Dayne is not cheap in any dynasty league ...Quite the opposite, he is well overpriced ...

 

[jacklejack]

All RBs on Denvers final roster have some value. But I bet Cobb gets cut.

 

[cracKer]

It's a shark move right now to secure Dayne and Cobbs while they're cheap.

black hole sun

 

[AnonymousBob]

I think it's silly somebody said if this was the Browns we would be paying no attention. Seriously, what's your point? It's NOT the Browns we're talking about-it's a team that spits out a different 1,000+ yard rusher-year in, year out. While it is quite unlikely Cobbs will amount to ANYTHING, if he can be had for a pack of stale nuts what's the harm? At worst you end up cutting him, and don't tell me you don't have guys on your squad that are currently longshots. At best? Well, if I need to explain that to you then you have no business playing fantasy football. Fourth string Denver rb >> better gamble than most other teams second string rb. Especially when you consider all the Denver guys currently have an equal shot at starting.

 

[P Boy]

NONE of these backs were as highly touted as Cedric Cobbs before draft day... Too bad I'm not in your dynasty league...

If you think Cobbs has any tangible value, you're damn glad I'm not in your FF league.