Does Favre still get credit (1 Viewer)

[14464]

I stand by my statements, he clearly blows more games on his own than he wins.

There you go

 

[14464]

The only game in recent memory that Favre "lost" for us was last year in Philly in the playoffs. Yeah, it was a bad pass in overtime but Walker ran the wrong route. Futhermore the Packers had no reason to be in overtime that game had Sherman not put the team in that predicament. Favre in his younger days may have cost the team a win a season. I say this with nothing to back it up. Favre after the Superbowl years, so the last 8 or 9 years, has not cost the Packers, in my mind, any games at all. Favre alone has won some games for us and we relish in that and than others try to dismiss that one game at Philly as his fault. Please, go back to your homer team if you are trying to dismiss Favre's "losing" that game for us because that is far from the truth.A young QB will cost the team games. That is natural in the maturing QB. Favre did when he was younger. An older QB does not cost his team games but rather will win games for them. Look at the St. Louis 6 INT game if you want. How many passes did Favre throw that game and at what junture in the game were they thrown?? Were the Packers losing at the time and by how much when they were thrown?? Looking at stats is pointless because stats are skewed. I would take Favre before Brady any day of the week because Favre controls the game and the offense. Brady may control the game but he knows that he has a defense that will back him up so he has the right to take more risks. Favre any day of the week in that comparison.Finally, if someone could bring it up. How many of Favre's INT's have come on 1st down?? 2nd down?? 3rd down?? I would be willing to bet most of them in the past 5 or 6 years have come on 3rd down. Also, where were those INT's made?? Were they on the 10 yard line giving the other team only 10 yards to go to socre... or were they on the other 20 yard line giving the opponents 80 yards to score... ... give me those stats and than we can debate the facts. Opinions mean nothing... give me the facts.

Wrong. Favre came out (3 weeks after the fact -- nice bit o' sportsmanship there) and tried to insinuate that Walker ran the wrong route. Nothing could be further from the truth. Walker did exactly what he was supposed to in that situation. Favre, under pressure, made a bad throw and killed GB's last chance in that game. Ironically, earlier in that same game Ferguson was in a similar situation: heavy blitz and he indeed ran the wrong route (it went for a TD, incidentally), but Favre didn't ##### at all about that one. Weird, right?But this is exactly what I'm talking about: the classic Favre apologist stance. Even if his turnovers kill ya, an excuse is made up to cover his ### on it. The O-line broke down, WR ran the wrong route, coach called the wrong play, peanut vendor moved at the wrong time, etc., etc. It's almost as if once you become a Packer fan you're given "The Precious Excuse Manual - A Guide to Absolving our Patron Saint from Wrongdoing." It's the green and yella bible, or so it seems.....Bottom line is he's an excellent QB, but he's human and makes mistakes. It's not always someone elses fault when he screws up.

Good to see someone has followed his career and isn't biased.

 

[14464]

I stand by my statements, he clearly blows more games on his own than he wins. People forget the reason they won the SB was not because of Favre but because of one of the all time great kick returns. Funny, nobody ever mentions that but thinks it was because of Farve. How about Farve not beating the Broncos when they were heavy favorites and people were already talking about GB as a dynasty team? You could say Farve lost a SB in a top 5 choke jobs of all time SB games (in terms of pt spread).If someone can disprove that he doesn't blow big games (last year playoffs and SB vs Broncos are just two of many) by jacking up throws because "That's that loveable kooky Farve again!" crap then we must have watched a different player.

Many of Favre's INTs are "Favre punts". 3rd and long, he doesn't throw the ball away. If there is no good target, he just heaves it and hopes for the best. If it is picked off, it is pretty much like a punt. That hurts his QB rating, but does not hurt his team. Also, when his team is way behind he gambles incessantly and has those 5 or 6 INT games. Again, hurting his stats but not hurting his team, as they were in a desparate situation anyway. Favre is one of the masters of come from behind masterpieces. Personally, I rank him as the best QB I have ever seen (never seen Unitas) but I think few could reasonably claim that he is not among the best ever. I hope he plays two more seasons and erases Marino from at least one of the major QB career records (TD passes) and then Brett will finally get the admiration and adulation he so richly deserves.

If those excuses make you sleep better, how can I argue with that?

 

[packersfan]

I stand by my statements, he clearly blows more games on his own than he wins. People forget the reason they won the SB was not because of Favre but because of one of the all time great kick returns. Funny, nobody ever mentions that but thinks it was because of Farve. How about Farve not beating the Broncos when they were heavy favorites and people were already talking about GB as a dynasty team? You could say Farve lost a SB in a top 5 choke jobs of all time SB games (in terms of pt spread).If someone can disprove that he doesn't blow big games (last year playoffs and SB vs Broncos are just two of many) by jacking up throws because "That's that loveable kooky Farve again!" crap then we must have watched a different player.

There are so many things either wrong or extremely misleading about this post it makes me wonder if you even saw any of the games you listed. And please tell me what evidence you have that supports your contention that Favre "clearly" has lost more games than he has won.TIA.

 

[reg]

Many of Favre's INTs are "Favre punts". 3rd and long, he doesn't throw the ball away. If there is no good target, he just heaves it and hopes for the best. If it is picked off, it is pretty much like a punt. That hurts his QB rating, but does not hurt his team.

Interesting that he has 11 INT's on first + second downs and 4 on third downs this year.

 

[Eric Stratton]

I stand by my statements, he clearly blows more games on his own than he wins.

There you go

Favre bashers crack me up because they don't have any hard evidence to support their claims.It is a myth that has cost the Packers more games than he has won for them. If it isn't, show us the numbers to back it up. Favre is a great QB, deal with it, accept it and have a great holiday season!!

 

[packersfan]

I stand by my statements, he clearly blows more games on his own than he wins.

There you go

Favre bashers crack me up because they don't have any hard evidence to support their claims.It is a myth that has cost the Packers more games than he has won for them. If it isn't, show us the numbers to back it up. Favre is a great QB, deal with it, accept it and have a great holiday season!!

That's really what it boils down to. He's still one of the elite QBs in the game. Does that mean he's some kind of demi-god who is incapable of making a mistake? Of course not. He will make some ridiculous passes that just leave you shaking your head in disgust. But it's that same "gunslinger" (for lack of a better word) mentality which also allows him to make the kind of plays few other QBs in the game could make. His TD pass to Driver last week into the wind was an incredible pass that displayed strength, accuracy and touch and was a game-turning play. The fact of the matter is Packer fans and NFL fans learned a long time ago that you take the good with the bad with Favre and there isn't anything that's going to change him.The key is the good tends to greatly outweigh the bad. The proof is in the team's record and overall level of success since he became the starting QB. Once again I ask, how many losing seasons has this team had with Brett Favre at QB?

 

[cmap]

no. he's completely underrated and i wish madden would give him more props.

 

[14464]

I stand by my statements, he clearly blows more games on his own than he wins.

There you go

Favre bashers crack me up because they don't have any hard evidence to support their claims.It is a myth that has cost the Packers more games than he has won for them. If it isn't, show us the numbers to back it up. Favre is a great QB, deal with it, accept it and have a great holiday season!!

Not a Favre basher, I actually find him entertaining. I gave you two PRIME examples where he blew games, there are plenty more.

 

[Eric Stratton]

I stand by my statements, he clearly blows more games on his own than he wins.

There you go

Favre bashers crack me up because they don't have any hard evidence to support their claims.It is a myth that has cost the Packers more games than he has won for them. If it isn't, show us the numbers to back it up. Favre is a great QB, deal with it, accept it and have a great holiday season!!

Not a Favre basher, I actually find him entertaining. I gave you two PRIME examples where he blew games, there are plenty more.

Your two examples do not support your claim that he has cost them more games than he has won for them. Since you don't understand that, it is obvious you never will. You just keep believing your little myth and the Favre supporters will continue to appreciate everything he has done for the Packers.For your two examples, here are some examples of his come from behind wins through the 2002 season.# Date Opp. Final Score,start of drive Quarter Timeouts to use Timeouts used Clock at first play from scrimmage Clock at end Scoring Play Drive plays Drive yards Drive Time 1 Sept.20,1992 Cin. 24-23 17-23 4 2 0 1:07 0:13 35 pass to Taylor 5 92 0:54 2 Nov.15,1992 Phi. 27-24 21-24 4 2 0 5:02 1:31 Jacke 31 FG 8 60 3:31 Nov.15, 1992 Phi. 27-24 24-24 4 2 1 0:43 0:00 Jacke 41 FG 2 0 0:43 3 Nov.29,1992 TB 19-14 12-14 4 3 0 2:12 (3Q) 10:09 9 pass to Harris 15 69 7:03 4 Nov.14,1993 @ NO 19-17 16-17 4 0 0 1:37 0:03 Jacke 36 FG 10 56 1:34 5 Nov.21,1993 Det. 26-17 16-17 4 2 1 12:29 9:03 Jacke 34 FG 7 42 3:26 6 Nov.28,1993 TB 13-10 6-10 4 3 0 7:33 1:16 2 pass to Sharpe 15 75 6:17 7 Jan.8,1994* @ Det. 28-24 21-24 4 3 1 2:26 0:55 40 pass to Sharpe 5 71 1:31 8 Oct.9,1994 LARm 24-17 17-17 4 3 0 0:27(3Q) 12:06 Bennett 1 run 6 40 3:21 9 Dec.18,1994 Atl. 21-17 14-17 4 1 1 1:58 0:14 Favre 9 run 10 67 1:44 10 Nov.12,1995 Chi. 35-28 28-28 4 3 0 13:05 9:17 16 pass to Bennett 8 69 3:48 11 Oct.14,1996 SF 23-20 17-20 4 2 1 1:42 0:08 Jacke 31 FG 10 69 1:42 Oct.14, 1996 SF 23-20 20-20 OT 2 0 13:25 11:19 Jacke 53 FG 7 21 2:06 12 Nov.1,1998 SF 36-22 19-22 4 3 0 1:09(3Q) 13:14 Longwell 45 FG 7 36 2:55 Nov.1,1998 SF 36-22 22-22 4 3 0 11:13 11:04 62 pass to Freeman 1 62 0:09 13 Dec.27,1998 @Chi. 13-13 16-13 4 3 1 2:29 (3Q) 9:49 Longwell 16 FG 12 74 7:40 14 Sept.12, 1999 Oak. 28-24 21-24 4 0 0 1:51 0:11 1 pass to Thomason 11 82 1:40 15 Sept.26,1999 Min. 23-20 16-20 4 2 2 1:51 0:12 23 pass to Bradford 7 77 1:44 16 Oct. 10, 1999 TB 26-23 19-23 4 3 1 1:40 1:05 21 pass to Freeman 6 73 0:40 17 Sept.17, 2000 Phi. 6-3 3-3 4 2 2 5:20 0:03 Longwell 38 FG 12 60 5:17 18 Oct. 15, 2000 SF 31-28 28-28 4 2 2 5:20 0:54 Longwell 35 FG 9 44 4:36 19 Nov. 16, 2000 Min. 26-20 20-20 OT 2 0 14:50 11:21 43 pass to Freeman 7 82 3:39 20 Dec.24, 2000 TB 17-14 14-14 OT 2 0 14:47 8:29 Longwell 22 FG 10 58 6:31 21 Dec.3, 2001 @Jax. 28-21 21-21 4 3 0 2:03 1:30 Favre 6 run 4 56 0:33 22 Dec.30,2001 Min. 24-13 10-13 4 3 0 9:53 6:28 Green 4 run 7 79 3:35 23 Jan. 13, 2002* SF 25-15 15-15 4 3 0 11:48 7:02 Longwell 45 FG 10 49 4:58 24 Sept.8, 2002 Atl. 37-34 34-34 OT 2 0 9:30 5:15 Longwell 34 Field Goal 7 44 4:15 25 Sept. 29, 2002 Car. 17-14 10-14 4 2 0 6:29 4:10 22 pass to Driver 4 65 2:19 26 Dec.8,2002 Min. 26-22 20-22 4 2 1 4:32 1:06 Fisher

 

[Beergogglz]

I stand by my statements, he clearly blows more games on his own than he wins.

Not total BS, but the ratio of games he wins to games he loses is closer to 50/50 than it ever was...

While I don't have the stats at my fingertips, I am almost sure that the Packers have been the winningest team in the NFL since Favre took over the starting job in GB so many years ago. If he wins as many games as he loses, the rest of the team must have been phenomenal for a long, long time.

Guess I should have qualified my original statement for the Favre worshipers here: the specific plays Favre makes that win games relative to the blunders he makes that lose games is closer to 50/50 than it ever has been.Better?

 

[Beergogglz]

Many of Favre's INTs are "Favre punts". 3rd and long, he doesn't throw the ball away. If there is no good target, he just heaves it and hopes for the best. If it is picked off, it is pretty much like a punt. That hurts his QB rating, but does not hurt his team.

Interesting that he has 11 INT's on first + second downs and 4 on third downs this year.

What's this? Actual facts? They have no use to the Favre jock-sniffers here!

 

[Eric Stratton]

I stand by my statements, he clearly blows more games on his own than he wins.

Not total BS, but the ratio of games he wins to games he loses is closer to 50/50 than it ever was...

While I don't have the stats at my fingertips, I am almost sure that the Packers have been the winningest team in the NFL since Favre took over the starting job in GB so many years ago. If he wins as many games as he loses, the rest of the team must have been phenomenal for a long, long time.

Guess I should have qualified my original statement for the Favre worshipers here: the specific plays Favre makes that win games relative to the blunders he makes that lose games is closer to 50/50 than it ever has been.Better?

It is still amusing!! :rotflmao:

 

[Eric Stratton]

Many of Favre's INTs are "Favre punts".  3rd and long, he doesn't throw the ball away.  If there is no good target, he just heaves it and hopes for the best.  If it is picked off, it is pretty much like a punt.  That hurts his QB rating, but does not hurt his team.

Interesting that he has 11 INT's on first + second downs and 4 on third downs this year.

What's this? Actual facts? They have no use to the Favre jock-sniffers here!

The Favre supporters have done more with the facts than the Favre bashers.

 

[14464]

Many of Favre's INTs are "Favre punts". 3rd and long, he doesn't throw the ball away. If there is no good target, he just heaves it and hopes for the best. If it is picked off, it is pretty much like a punt. That hurts his QB rating, but does not hurt his team.

Interesting that he has 11 INT's on first + second downs and 4 on third downs this year.

What's this? Actual facts? They have no use to the Favre jock-sniffers here!

The Favre supporters have done more with the facts than the Favre bashers.

Not true. You forgot to include all the games he blew (start with his multiple INT games) sport.

 

[Beergogglz]

I stand by my statements, he clearly blows more games on his own than he wins.

Not total BS, but the ratio of games he wins to games he loses is closer to 50/50 than it ever was...

While I don't have the stats at my fingertips, I am almost sure that the Packers have been the winningest team in the NFL since Favre took over the starting job in GB so many years ago. If he wins as many games as he loses, the rest of the team must have been phenomenal for a long, long time.

Guess I should have qualified my original statement for the Favre worshipers here: the specific plays Favre makes that win games relative to the blunders he makes that lose games is closer to 50/50 than it ever has been.Better?

It is still amusing!! :rotflmao:

To someone that's been sprinkled with Favre fairy dust which limits him to seeing everything the man does as great and stupendous, that's not surprising....

 

[Beergogglz]

Many of Favre's INTs are "Favre punts".  3rd and long, he doesn't throw the ball away.  If there is no good target, he just heaves it and hopes for the best.  If it is picked off, it is pretty much like a punt.  That hurts his QB rating, but does not hurt his team.

Interesting that he has 11 INT's on first + second downs and 4 on third downs this year.

What's this? Actual facts? They have no use to the Favre jock-sniffers here!

The Favre supporters have done more with the facts than the Favre bashers.

Not true. You forgot to include all the games he blew (start with his multiple INT games) sport.

No, see, those don't count. In fact, the Favre worshipers give extra credit for those, since Favre was trying to will his team to victory in spite of the crap team/coaching around him.

 

[Eric Stratton]

I stand by my statements, he clearly blows more games on his own than he wins.

Not total BS, but the ratio of games he wins to games he loses is closer to 50/50 than it ever was...

While I don't have the stats at my fingertips, I am almost sure that the Packers have been the winningest team in the NFL since Favre took over the starting job in GB so many years ago. If he wins as many games as he loses, the rest of the team must have been phenomenal for a long, long time.

Guess I should have qualified my original statement for the Favre worshipers here: the specific plays Favre makes that win games relative to the blunders he makes that lose games is closer to 50/50 than it ever has been.Better?

It is still amusing!! :rotflmao:

To someone that's been sprinkled with Favre fairy dust which limits him to seeing everything the man does as great and stupendous, that's not surprising....

Damn straight that I'm proud of the Packers and Favre. I have been watching them since 1972 and I know I will never see another QB lead the team like Favre.I can be critical of him too but his positives FAR outweigh his negatives and that is something the Favre bashers WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND.You guys keep dissing Favre because it really makes you look foolish yet it is entertaining!!

 

[14464]

hahah so true! Look, Favre is one of the most enjoyable QBs to watch, how many QBs loves to jack passes up in hopes they get caught? Since I could care less if they win or not I love watching them play but when the commentators NEVER EVER get on him for that, that isn't right.Look, I don't have all day but you can do a simple search to see how well he does on close games vs blown out games. (Or if you have followed him you won't need to)FOR HIS CAREER, his QBRating has been HIGHEST in one-sided and not close games but in CLOSE and LATE&CLOSE games they are his LOWEST QBRating.What does that say? It says in his career when GB are in close games AND MOST IMPORTANTLY close and late in the game his QBRating PLUMMETS from ~>90 to ~<75!!!ALSO, he throws MORE INT than TDs.Do I need to go further with this or is this a trip? If it is, you got me.

 

[Beergogglz]

I stand by my statements, he clearly blows more games on his own than he wins.

Not total BS, but the ratio of games he wins to games he loses is closer to 50/50 than it ever was...

While I don't have the stats at my fingertips, I am almost sure that the Packers have been the winningest team in the NFL since Favre took over the starting job in GB so many years ago. If he wins as many games as he loses, the rest of the team must have been phenomenal for a long, long time.

Guess I should have qualified my original statement for the Favre worshipers here: the specific plays Favre makes that win games relative to the blunders he makes that lose games is closer to 50/50 than it ever has been.Better?

It is still amusing!! :rotflmao:

To someone that's been sprinkled with Favre fairy dust which limits him to seeing everything the man does as great and stupendous, that's not surprising....

Damn straight that I'm proud of the Packers and Favre. I have been watching them since 1972 and I know I will never see another QB lead the team like Favre.I can be critical of him too but his positives FAR outweigh his negatives and that is something the Favre bashers WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND.You guys keep dissing Favre because it really makes you look foolish yet it is entertaining!!

Who is bashing? I merely opined that Favre supporters make excuses for the man no matter what he does. The fact you so vehemently argue that we'll NEVER UNDERSTAND why only serves to reinforce my point.Oh, and the only one looking foolish here is the guy who gazes at Favre all doe-eyed, like some lovesick high school cheerleader. Wanna guess who that is in this instance, Carl?

 

[14464]

I stand by my statements, he clearly blows more games on his own than he wins.

Not total BS, but the ratio of games he wins to games he loses is closer to 50/50 than it ever was...

While I don't have the stats at my fingertips, I am almost sure that the Packers have been the winningest team in the NFL since Favre took over the starting job in GB so many years ago. If he wins as many games as he loses, the rest of the team must have been phenomenal for a long, long time.

Guess I should have qualified my original statement for the Favre worshipers here: the specific plays Favre makes that win games relative to the blunders he makes that lose games is closer to 50/50 than it ever has been.Better?

It is still amusing!! :rotflmao:

To someone that's been sprinkled with Favre fairy dust which limits him to seeing everything the man does as great and stupendous, that's not surprising....

Damn straight that I'm proud of the Packers and Favre. I have been watching them since 1972 and I know I will never see another QB lead the team like Favre.I can be critical of him too but his positives FAR outweigh his negatives and that is something the Favre bashers WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND.You guys keep dissing Favre because it really makes you look foolish yet it is entertaining!!

I think it's clear who the biased people are in here. Go look up his career stats in games when they came down to the wire and get back to me. It will be interesting who you end up blaming on this.

 

[packersfan]

I stand by my statements, he clearly blows more games on his own than he wins.

There you go

Favre bashers crack me up because they don't have any hard evidence to support their claims.It is a myth that has cost the Packers more games than he has won for them. If it isn't, show us the numbers to back it up. Favre is a great QB, deal with it, accept it and have a great holiday season!!

Not a Favre basher, I actually find him entertaining. I gave you two PRIME examples where he blew games, there are plenty more.

Actually you gave one extremely suspect example and another that doesn't hold a shred of connection to reality:The idea that Favre lost the Super Bowl to the Broncos is ridiculous. Anyone who actually watched the game knows that game was lost because Terrell Davis ran all over the Green Bay defense and secondly because Shanahan completely outcoached Holmgren. You cited the Packers' Super Bowl win against the Patriots and Desmond Howard's kickoff return. But anyone who actually watched the game realizes Favre's TDs to Rison and Freeman were huge and so was his TD run. And the victory also came about because of some big plays by the defense - especially late in the game. The idea that Howard's return was the reason the Packers won isn't supported by the actual game itself. Yes he was the MVP, but anyone who actually watched the game would acknowledge Favre played terrific that day and was every bit the MVP candidate (and some would argue moreso) that Howard was. As far as last year's Philly game, Favre's INT in OT was a horrible decision that put the final nail in the Packers' coffin. Did that play directly contribute to a defeat? Yup. Was it the main reason why the Packers lost? Purely speculative. The far stronger reason was the botched 4th-and-26 play. Make that simple play and we never even see Favre's poor decision in OT. The fact of the matter is the game never should have gone to OT but thanks to Ed Donatell it did. What you are doing throughout this thread is attempting to pass of conjecture as fact without a shred of evidence to support it. You have yet to supply a single shred of evidence which supports your claim that Favre "clearly" loses more games than he wins. I've asked one simple question that you have yet to answer. I already know the reason why you haven't. All that's left is waiting to determine if the reason why will eventually dawn on you.

 

[14464]

Still waiting...Games that were late and close - lowest QBRat out of EVERY possible situationThrew More INT than TDLowest Yards per AttemptTop 5 all time choke SBBlew games / played awful this year vs. Chic (yuck), Tenn, PhilBlew last year's playoff game

 

[Eric Stratton]

Go look up his career stats in games when they came down to the wire and get back to me. It will be interesting who you end up blaming on this.

No, you need to do that and you will be the one that is surprised.You will not be able to back up your myth.I have never used this before but it is time......You are on this

 

[Beergogglz]

Still waiting...Games that were late and close - lowest QBRat out of EVERY possible situationThrew More INT than TDLowest Yards per AttemptTop 5 all time choke SBBlew games / played awful this year vs. Chic (yuck), Tenn, PhilBlew last year's playoff game

Got a link for these stats? I'd be most interested in seeing how other QB's rate as well.

 

[Eric Stratton]

Blew last year's playoff game

I didn't know Favre was on the field for the 4th and 26th play.

 

[14464]

I stand by my statements, he clearly blows more games on his own than he wins.

There you go

Favre bashers crack me up because they don't have any hard evidence to support their claims.It is a myth that has cost the Packers more games than he has won for them. If it isn't, show us the numbers to back it up. Favre is a great QB, deal with it, accept it and have a great holiday season!!

Not a Favre basher, I actually find him entertaining. I gave you two PRIME examples where he blew games, there are plenty more.

Actually you gave one extremely suspect example and another that doesn't hold a shred of connection to reality:The idea that Favre lost the Super Bowl to the Broncos is ridiculous. Anyone who actually watched the game knows that game was lost because Terrell Davis ran all over the Green Bay defense and secondly because Shanahan completely outcoached Holmgren. You cited the Packers' Super Bowl win against the Patriots and Desmond Howard's kickoff return. But anyone who actually watched the game realizes Favre's TDs to Rison and Freeman were huge and so was his TD run. And the victory also came about because of some big plays by the defense - especially late in the game. The idea that Howard's return was the reason the Packers won isn't supported by the actual game itself. Yes he was the MVP, but anyone who actually watched the game would acknowledge Favre played terrific that day and was every bit the MVP candidate (and some would argue moreso) that Howard was. As far as last year's Philly game, Favre's INT in OT was a horrible decision that put the final nail in the Packers' coffin. Did that play directly contribute to a defeat? Yup. Was it the main reason why the Packers lost? Purely speculative. The far stronger reason was the botched 4th-and-26 play. Make that simple play and we never even see Favre's poor decision in OT. The fact of the matter is the game never should have gone to OT but thanks to Ed Donatell it did. What you are doing throughout this thread is attempting to pass of conjecture as fact without a shred of evidence to support it. You have yet to supply a single shred of evidence which supports your claim that Favre "clearly" loses more games than he wins. I've asked one simple question that you have yet to answer. I already know the reason why you haven't. All that's left is waiting to determine if the reason why will eventually dawn on you.

no offense but anyone with the name packersfan isn't going to be objective about this and your last post is a prime example.

 

[14464]

Blew last year's playoff game

I didn't know Favre was on the field for the 4th and 26th play.

who won that game?

 

[Beergogglz]

Blew last year's playoff game

I didn't know Favre was on the field for the 4th and 26th play.

Was Favre's ridiculous "punt-pass" not the final nail in GB's coffin that day? Or was there something else following that pooch screw of a play which was? Just curious....

 

[14464]

Still waiting...Games that were late and close - lowest QBRat out of EVERY possible situationThrew More INT than TDLowest Yards per AttemptTop 5 all time choke SBBlew games / played awful this year vs. Chic (yuck), Tenn, PhilBlew last year's playoff game

Got a link for these stats? I'd be most interested in seeing how other QB's rate as well.

Think nfl.com or go to yahoo and type in Favre's name then click on split stats - select his career (or 3 year average or any year) and scroll to the bottom. A player's stats can be broken out in blowout games or close game, basically any situation.So if you look at Brady vs Favre, his stats BLOW his out the water. In close games Brady has OVER a 100 QBRat, something Favre can't even come close to.In ANY situation, he never thows more INT than TDs, while Bret does this, excuses or not.

 

[Beergogglz]

Still waiting...Games that were late and close - lowest QBRat out of EVERY possible situationThrew More INT than TDLowest Yards per AttemptTop 5 all time choke SBBlew games / played awful this year vs. Chic (yuck), Tenn, PhilBlew last year's playoff game

Got a link for these stats? I'd be most interested in seeing how other QB's rate as well.

Think nfl.com or go to yahoo and type in Favre's name then click on split stats - select his career (or 3 year average or any year) and scroll to the bottom. A player's stats can be broken out in blowout games or close game, basically any situation.So if you look at Brady vs Favre, his stats BLOW his out the water. In close games Brady has OVER a 100 QBRat, something Favre can't even come close to.In ANY situation, he never thows more INT than TDs, while Bret does this, excuses or not.

Cool. Thanks for the tip!

 

[14464]

For all the Favre lovers out there, just go look up his stats in close games, he is actually not even a decent QB.Anymore arguments them follow how to retrieve those stats from my previous post.

 

[14464]

Still waiting...Games that were late and close - lowest QBRat out of EVERY possible situationThrew More INT than TDLowest Yards per AttemptTop 5 all time choke SBBlew games / played awful this year vs. Chic (yuck), Tenn, PhilBlew last year's playoff game

Got a link for these stats? I'd be most interested in seeing how other QB's rate as well.

Think nfl.com or go to yahoo and type in Favre's name then click on split stats - select his career (or 3 year average or any year) and scroll to the bottom. A player's stats can be broken out in blowout games or close game, basically any situation.So if you look at Brady vs Favre, his stats BLOW his out the water. In close games Brady has OVER a 100 QBRat, something Favre can't even come close to.In ANY situation, he never thows more INT than TDs, while Bret does this, excuses or not.

Cool. Thanks for the tip!

no problem and actually when running the numbers, he is much worse than I thought. Thank the Favre supporters for this.

 

[reg]

Still waiting...Games that were late and close - lowest QBRat out of EVERY possible situationThrew More INT than TDLowest Yards per AttemptTop 5 all time choke SBBlew games / played awful this year vs. Chic (yuck), Tenn, PhilBlew last year's playoff game

Got a link for these stats? I'd be most interested in seeing how other QB's rate as well.

Think nfl.com or go to yahoo and type in Favre's name then click on split stats - select his career (or 3 year average or any year) and scroll to the bottom. A player's stats can be broken out in blowout games or close game, basically any situation.So if you look at Brady vs Favre, his stats BLOW his out the water. In close games Brady has OVER a 100 QBRat, something Favre can't even come close to.In ANY situation, he never thows more INT than TDs, while Bret does this, excuses or not.

I am quite amazed that in his career he has only 3 games where the temp was under 21 degrees. I would have thought that number to be higher.

 

[DeCleater]

Spelling his name FARVE and getting a reaction never gets old.

And you have been here all of 2 weeks.Joined: 4- December- 04

 

[Ghoti]

I know how to spell his name, if you botherd to have read my previous posts you would see. Spelling his name FARVE and getting a reaction never gets old.

That's really weak.This whole thread is a fishing trip. You guys dumping on Favre would love to have him on your team and to have the record he has had in the past decade.Joe B., it is really hard to be excellent to one another when reading a thread like this.

 

[Ghoti]

For all the Favre lovers out there, just go look up his stats in close games, he is actually not even a decent QB.Anymore arguments them follow how to retrieve those stats from my previous post.

You are really a fool. Please go away and learn the following before coming back:1.) how to write in English2.) what the definition of a "decent QB" is

 

[DeCleater]

For all the Favre lovers out there, just go look up his stats in close games, he is actually not even a decent QB.

The Favre hate finally comes out. Why don't you look up how many games Favre has won in his career, I think he is closing in on Elway's record for most wins by a QB. Here's a stat for you. You call Super Bowl 32 one of the Top 5 choke jobs of all-time. Favre was 25-42 for 256 yards, 3 TD's and 1 Int. If thats a top 5 choke job I will take that everytime. Now don't let that facts cloud your argument. You say his QB rating is lower in close games than it is in blowouts. BRILLANT! So is everyone else's. Thats like saying Manning plays better against the Lions than he does against the Patroits. Come back when you can shave.

 

[14464]

Spelling his name FARVE and getting a reaction never gets old.

And you have been here all of 2 weeks.Joined: 4- December- 04

Meaning what again?

 

[14464]

For all the Favre lovers out there, just go look up his stats in close games, he is actually not even a decent QB.

The Favre hate finally comes out. Why don't you look up how many games Favre has won in his career, I think he is closing in on Elway's record for most wins by a QB. Here's a stat for you. You call Super Bowl 32 one of the Top 5 choke jobs of all-time. Favre was 25-42 for 256 yards, 3 TD's and 1 Int. If thats a top 5 choke job I will take that everytime. Now don't let that facts cloud your argument. You say his QB rating is lower in close games than it is in blowouts. BRILLANT! So is everyone else's. Thats like saying Manning plays better against the Lions than he does against the Patroits. Come back when you can shave.

So the shave comment and a newer member makes me young? Is that the same logic you use for Farve being better than his historical stats indicate?

 

[14464]

For all the Favre lovers out there, just go look up his stats in close games, he is actually not even a decent QB.Anymore arguments them follow how to retrieve those stats from my previous post.

You are really a fool. Please go away and learn the following before coming back:1.) how to write in English2.) what the definition of a "decent QB" is

I will make sure and take more time to proof my mistakes in the future...doesn't discount the facts I brought up on Farve, does it?

 

[Mario Kart]

For all the Favre lovers out there, just go look up his stats in close games, he is actually not even a decent QB.Anymore arguments them follow how to retrieve those stats from my previous post.

You are really a fool. Please go away and learn the following before coming back:1.) how to write in English2.) what the definition of a "decent QB" is

I will make sure and take more time to proof my mistakes in the future...doesn't discount the facts I brought up on Farve, does it?

In order to make an argument you need more data points than 2 of them. There have been some data points brought on by Packer fans that you have dismissed all ready. Simply put, when a QB has a winning percentage of 60% or higher your claim that "he lost" more games than "he won" is simply not provable. Yet, you claim that he has lost more games... it is up to you to prove your statements instead of the other way around. You have not done so so quit trying to turn the tables on us to try and disprove what you have stated. You have stated very few data points and Packer fans have stated more data points than you have.1) learn how to argue and add data to your argument.2) quit fishing

 

[Mario Kart]

# Is the NFL's only three-time MVP (1995-97)# Ranks in the NFL's top five in four major passing categories: second in touchdowns (346), fourth in completions (3,960), fifth in attempts (6,464), fifth in yards (45,646)# With a career record of 125-64, holds the fourth-highest winning percentage (.661) among starting QBs who have begun their careers since the 1970 league merger (min. 100 starts)# Possesses a remarkable 29-0 record (36-1 including playoffs) at home when the game-time temperature is 34 degrees or below; passer rating in those contests is 96.0# Has started 189 consecutive games (208 including playoffs), which is an NFL record for a quarterback

# NFL's only three-time MVP (1995-97)# Voted to the Pro Bowl (as a starter) for the seventh time in 11 seasons with Green Bay# Second year in a row, leading vote-getter in fan balloting for the Pro Bowl# Posted a passer rating of 100-or-more in six games, second-most in the NFL in 2002# Ranks fifth all-time in passer rating# Ranked as the ninth-best player in 'NFL Player of the Century' voting# Won 115 games as a starter - fifth-most in NFL history# Won at least eight games an NFL-record 11 consecutive seasons (1992-2002)# Eight playoff berths, including a club-record six in a row (1993-98)# Three straight NFC Central Division crowns (1995-97)# Three consecutive NFC Championship Games (1995, 1996, 1997)# Back-to-back Super Bowl appearances# Started 173 consecutive games (190 including playoffs) - an all-time NFL record for a quarterback# Thrown 20-or-more touchdowns in nine consecutive seasons (1994-2002)# Third place in NFL history in career touchdown passes, with 314# Only the fourth player ever to reach 300 TDs# Owns the sixth-best career TD-to-INT ratio in NFL history# Fourth player in NFL annals to lead the league in TD throws as many as three consecutive seasons (1995-96-97)# In 2002, became just the eighth player in league history to post 40,000 career passing yards, attaining the plateau in 166 games - third-fastest in NFL history# Owner of 14 career 4-touchdown games - the third-highest total in NFL history behind only the 21 of Marino and the 17 of Johnny Unitas# Has (35) 300-yard passing performances - tops among active NFL players# Only the fourth player in NFL history to pass for both 40,000 yards in the regular season and 4,000 yards in the playoffs

Losers do not break records.

 

[DeCleater]

So the shave comment and a newer member makes me young? Is that the same logic you use for Farve being better than his historical stats indicate?

His historical stats are among the best of all-time. You called his game in SB32 one of the top 5 choke jobs and I proved you wrong with his game stats. Next time bring some facts because you are just proving your ignorance.

 

[14464]

I provided the link and place, don't know what else to tell you. Here's one link, scroll to the bottom to see LATE&CLOSE games, Favre's production (sub par).

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/1025/splits

 

[14464]

# Is the NFL's only three-time MVP (1995-97)# Ranks in the NFL's top five in four major passing categories: second in touchdowns (346), fourth in completions (3,960), fifth in attempts (6,464), fifth in yards (45,646)# With a career record of 125-64, holds the fourth-highest winning percentage (.661) among starting QBs who have begun their careers since the 1970 league merger (min. 100 starts)# Possesses a remarkable 29-0 record (36-1 including playoffs) at home when the game-time temperature is 34 degrees or below; passer rating in those contests is 96.0# Has started 189 consecutive games (208 including playoffs), which is an NFL record for a quarterback

# NFL's only three-time MVP (1995-97)# Voted to the Pro Bowl (as a starter) for the seventh time in 11 seasons with Green Bay# Second year in a row, leading vote-getter in fan balloting for the Pro Bowl# Posted a passer rating of 100-or-more in six games, second-most in the NFL in 2002# Ranks fifth all-time in passer rating# Ranked as the ninth-best player in 'NFL Player of the Century' voting# Won 115 games as a starter - fifth-most in NFL history# Won at least eight games an NFL-record 11 consecutive seasons (1992-2002)# Eight playoff berths, including a club-record six in a row (1993-98)# Three straight NFC Central Division crowns (1995-97)# Three consecutive NFC Championship Games (1995, 1996, 1997)# Back-to-back Super Bowl appearances# Started 173 consecutive games (190 including playoffs) - an all-time NFL record for a quarterback# Thrown 20-or-more touchdowns in nine consecutive seasons (1994-2002)# Third place in NFL history in career touchdown passes, with 314# Only the fourth player ever to reach 300 TDs# Owns the sixth-best career TD-to-INT ratio in NFL history# Fourth player in NFL annals to lead the league in TD throws as many as three consecutive seasons (1995-96-97)# In 2002, became just the eighth player in league history to post 40,000 career passing yards, attaining the plateau in 166 games - third-fastest in NFL history# Owner of 14 career 4-touchdown games - the third-highest total in NFL history behind only the 21 of Marino and the 17 of Johnny Unitas# Has (35) 300-yard passing performances - tops among active NFL players# Only the fourth player in NFL history to pass for both 40,000 yards in the regular season and 4,000 yards in the playoffs

Losers do not break records.

Think you are getting caught up here and not reading my posts. Never said he was a loser.

 

[14464]

For all the Favre lovers out there, just go look up his stats in close games, he is actually not even a decent QB.Anymore arguments them follow how to retrieve those stats from my previous post.

You are really a fool. Please go away and learn the following before coming back:1.) how to write in English2.) what the definition of a "decent QB" is

I will make sure and take more time to proof my mistakes in the future...doesn't discount the facts I brought up on Farve, does it?

In order to make an argument you need more data points than 2 of them. There have been some data points brought on by Packer fans that you have dismissed all ready. Simply put, when a QB has a winning percentage of 60% or higher your claim that "he lost" more games than "he won" is simply not provable. Yet, you claim that he has lost more games... it is up to you to prove your statements instead of the other way around. You have not done so so quit trying to turn the tables on us to try and disprove what you have stated. You have stated very few data points and Packer fans have stated more data points than you have.1) learn how to argue and add data to your argument.2) quit fishing

Again, you aren't reading my posts PK. I said IMPORTANT games he has lost as many as he has won. I NEVER said his overall record was sub .500. Heck, he had TONS of games against the likes to Chicago and Detroit that were auto wins and EVERYONE knows his overall record is about .500. Overall record doesn't mean as much just like throwing for tons of yards (look at Warren Moon as another prime example). When I think of a big time, top 5 QB of all time, I think someone who a) won't cost you games and b) produces in the clutch much more than not. He doesn't make the list.Has Farve won "big" games? Yes, and I stated as such but with the good you must include the bad where he has lost just as many "big" games. I provided even links to back up my claim that in late close games his numbers stink. I am not bashing Farve, I am not a GB fan nor a fan of the NFC and actually find him fun to watch at times. Unless the historical stats are wrong, you can't overlook them.

 

[Eric Stratton]

I provided the link and place, don't know what else to tell you. Here's one link, scroll to the bottom to see LATE&CLOSE games, Favre's production (sub par).http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/1025/splits

Where does that link prove your point? I didn't see where it indicated Favre has lost more games than he won for the Packers down the stretch.Take you fishing trip to another board, there is no pissing in the Shark Pool!! :cheese:

 

[Eric Stratton]

Again, you aren't reading my posts PK. I said IMPORTANT games he has lost as many as he has won. I NEVER said his overall record was sub .500.

Really, here are some quotes of yours in this thread..."I stand by my statements, he clearly blows more games on his own than he wins."

"Can't consider a QB to be tops of this class when you can count at least the same amount of times he lost a game than won a game."

 

[packersfan]

I provided the link and place, don't know what else to tell you. Here's one link, scroll to the bottom to see LATE&CLOSE games, Favre's production (sub par).http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/1025/splits

Where does that link prove your point? I didn't see where it indicated Favre has lost more games than he won for the Packers down the stretch.Take you fishing trip to another board, there is no pissing in the Shark Pool!! :cheese:

What's most interesting about the link he provided (other than the fact it doesn't support his position whatsoever) is the fact that when you look at Favre's production in "close" games it tends to mirror his career numbers in many ways:His QB rating in those situations is on par with his career rating.His completion percentage is nearly identical to his career mark.The number of INTs thrown per pass attempt is nearly identical to his career mark.So much for the idea that he somehow falls apart in close games. What the stats show is that he basically performs at his normal career level in such instances. Oh, and his normal career level happens to be pretty darn good as the statistics (and, most importantly his team's winning percentage since he became the starter) clearly demonstrate. And as you listed earlier, he does have a rather impressive history of fourth-quarter comebacks, which speaks much louder than any "evidence" the poster in question bothered to provide.This has been a hoot but no doubt it was nothing more than a major expedition.