Dolphin Players bullied Jonathan Martin, Richie Incognito SUSPENDED (5 Viewers)

[ChuckLiddell]

On a lighter note....

Martin and Incognito make an appearance in Profootballmock.com's QBs on Facebook.

 

[fatness]

On a lighter note....

Martin and Incognito make an appearance in Profootballmock.com's QBs on Facebook.

, expecially at Roethlisberger and Newton.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Richie wants people to call him:

Richie Incognito ‏@68INCOGNITO Mar 27
Everybody else leave a message on my Inc. line 9542990345. #holler #madd #motivator most of all #leaders2014

 

[Tango]

Buccaneers bringing in Incognito for a visit, possibly more

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/25/buccaneers-bringing-in-incognito-for-a-visit-possibly-more/

 

[fatness]

If he appears to be staying calm and not doing things like Twitter wars and car beatups, I think someone will give him a shot later in the offseason. Not the Dolphins, though.

The free-agent guard who was at the center of last year's Miami Dolphins bullying scandal is visiting the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on Monday, two people with knowledge of the visit confirmed to USA TODAY Sports on Monday.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/buccaneers/2014/08/25/richie-incognito-visiting-tampa-bay/14566401/

edit: Tango beat me to it.

 

[Tango]

Buccaneers bringing in Incognito for a visit, possibly more

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/25/buccaneers-bringing-in-incognito-for-a-visit-possibly-more/

And just in case we've forgotten about where Martin is...

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/24/jonathan-martin-gets-third-start-of-preseason-for-49ers/

 

[KCitons]

Martin makes the 9ers roster. And the Bucs choose to make a trade instead of signing Incognito.

The over/under on starts this season may be higher than most of us expected for Martin.

 

[fatness]

The 49ers’ initial 53-player roster has just seven available offensive linemen — five starters and two backups. One of those reserves is ex-Dolphin Jonathan Martin, who will back up both tackle spots and could also be asked to play guard in a pinch.

In a conference call with media on Saturday, 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh called Martin an “example of someone who’s really earned the position” on the club’s roster.

“He’s been mainly playing tackle, but he has the ability to play guard and going forward that will be something that he’ll continue to learn and be good at,” Harbaugh said, according to an interview transcript from the club. “I feel very good about it. He’s done an excellent job of getting the job done.”

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/31/harbaugh-jonathan-martin-has-done-an-excellent-job-of-getting-the-job-done/

 

[MoveToSkypager]

MOP's new personality should check in here.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Martin was a victim.

Case closed. My speculation was wrong in regards to the severity of the taunts and bullying. And I based it on my own experience in high school and college baseball.

This was some brutal treatment.......you should not have to be subjected to this on a daily basis. A metally weak person would crumble. And a person who is head strong and confident......would not deal with this either. It came down to situation of how are you going to handle this? I always felt martin should have dealt with it internally first....I mean really pursue that and keep it in house.

He did not.

Because of that....a lot of players would never trust him. And trust is the cornerstone to being a teammate. Even though it was wrong, and now after reading a lot of this report.....I am disgusted with my favorite NFL team to allow this to go on for so long.....Martin's career is on thin ice as well.

In any case.....no question now. Martin was a victim here and Incognito the ring leader.

Let's move on now......let's start talking about footbal again everyone.

Glad to hear you admit you were wrong. Lots of people would keep on slamming Martin.

I think you're still wrong with the "players won't trust him because he didn't keep it in house" thing too though. Seems like the only reason to worry about that is if you're the type of locker room that has that crap going on in it. If you run a locker room where players are treated like humans, there's really nothing to worry about.

I'm interested if he's actually any good or not, because I think Seattle would be the perfect landing spot for him. He's got a couple Stanford teammates here, Baldwin has been vocally supportive of him, and if Sherm's got your back, nothing bad is going to happen to you. It's a progressive town, and Carroll is as supportive of players and taking care of them how they need to be as any coach in the league. I can't say for sure this kind of stuff doesn't go on here, but it would shock me. But if he's not good enough as a player, it's a moot point.

Lots of rainbows and butterflies in your version of the NFL. Jeez man c'mon.This is a brutal, violent sport played by nut jobs. It is no place for a guy like Martin.

speaking of brutal and nut jobs, I present to you, RBM!

The NFL is about to change. Something tells me you won't like where it ends up.

New kinder, softer NFL? You can't be serious can you?

How will you handle it if Incognito gets a job before Martin? You realize a lot of bad men have played in this league right? Incognito with his big, dumb mouth had nothin on guys like Leonard Little and Ray Ray.

How's this logic treating you?

update?

 

[RBM]

Martin was a victim.

Case closed. My speculation was wrong in regards to the severity of the taunts and bullying. And I based it on my own experience in high school and college baseball.

This was some brutal treatment.......you should not have to be subjected to this on a daily basis. A metally weak person would crumble. And a person who is head strong and confident......would not deal with this either. It came down to situation of how are you going to handle this? I always felt martin should have dealt with it internally first....I mean really pursue that and keep it in house.

He did not.

Because of that....a lot of players would never trust him. And trust is the cornerstone to being a teammate. Even though it was wrong, and now after reading a lot of this report.....I am disgusted with my favorite NFL team to allow this to go on for so long.....Martin's career is on thin ice as well.

In any case.....no question now. Martin was a victim here and Incognito the ring leader.

Let's move on now......let's start talking about footbal again everyone.

Glad to hear you admit you were wrong. Lots of people would keep on slamming Martin.

I think you're still wrong with the "players won't trust him because he didn't keep it in house" thing too though. Seems like the only reason to worry about that is if you're the type of locker room that has that crap going on in it. If you run a locker room where players are treated like humans, there's really nothing to worry about.

I'm interested if he's actually any good or not, because I think Seattle would be the perfect landing spot for him. He's got a couple Stanford teammates here, Baldwin has been vocally supportive of him, and if Sherm's got your back, nothing bad is going to happen to you. It's a progressive town, and Carroll is as supportive of players and taking care of them how they need to be as any coach in the league. I can't say for sure this kind of stuff doesn't go on here, but it would shock me. But if he's not good enough as a player, it's a moot point.

Lots of rainbows and butterflies in your version of the NFL. Jeez man c'mon.This is a brutal, violent sport played by nut jobs. It is no place for a guy like Martin.

speaking of brutal and nut jobs, I present to you, RBM!

The NFL is about to change. Something tells me you won't like where it ends up.

New kinder, softer NFL? You can't be serious can you?

How will you handle it if Incognito gets a job before Martin? You realize a lot of bad men have played in this league right? Incognito with his big, dumb mouth had nothin on guys like Leonard Little and Ray Ray.

How's this logic treating you?

update?

I'd be absolutely fine with Incognito in the league.

Ray Rice, not so much.

 

[fatness]

Jonathan Martin hasn’t played in a regular-season NFL game since leaving the Dolphins last October. In Week One, Martin is in line to start for the 49ers.

With right tackle Anthony Davis out due to injury, Martin is expected to start against the Cowboys on Sunday.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/09/07/jonathan-martin-on-track-to-start-his-first-game-for-the-49ers/

 

[KCitons]

I must be missing the stat line. How did Incognito do this week?

 

[SwampDawg]

Incognito has to be wishing this waited a year before coming out. Compared to the wife beaters and child abusers his verbal sparring with a 350 pound man seems pretty damn minor. Even more interesting is that teams were ready to put Rice and Peterson back out on the field asap until the public outrage but Incognito still sits on the sidelines shunned. Is it that the Dolphins were ahead of the curve (something they aren't often accused of) in sitting Incognito last year and avoiding public backlash or is it that NFL teams really don't care what you do off the field (until sponsors start speaking) but if you upset the locker room dynamic you are gone ?

 

[Sinn Fein]

I must be missing the stat line. How did Incognito do this week?

He punched Ray Rice's fiancé in the face, and beat AP's kid with a switch.

 

[Doug B]

Incognito has to be wishing this waited a year before coming out ... Is it that the Dolphins were ahead of the curve (something they aren't often accused of) in sitting Incognito last year and avoiding public backlash or is it that NFL teams really don't care what you do off the field (until sponsors start speaking) but if you upset the locker room dynamic you are gone ?

It's all case-by-case. These situations are being responded to on an ad hoc basis, and aren't necessarily being compared to one another to establish precedent.

 

[moleculo]

Broncos bringing him in for a look.

link

 

[Dondante]

Love to see this guy get a ring after the BS Martin and his team of attorneys put him through.

 

[Houston turmOiler]

I'd love to see him in the same division as Antonio Smith. Fun times.

 

[Raider Nation]

Tim Graham ‏@ByTimGraham

League source tells me Richie Incognito physical/meeting a formality, that he's going to be a Bill. Was a high priority target for Rex Ryan.

 

[GroveDiesel]

Tim Graham ‏@ByTimGraham

League source tells me Richie Incognito physical/meeting a formality, that he's going to be a Bill. Was a high priority target for Rex Ryan.

Yuck. hoping this is on the mark:

@JeffDarlington: Bills have wanted Richie Incognito for quite a while. Good for them. Spent time with him at Super Bowl. He's in a very good place right now.

 

[Mr. Retukes]

Rex Ryan always has to have at least one player on the team who is a bigger pervert than he is.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

Rex Ryan always has to have at least one player on the team who is a bigger pervert than he is.

I laughed.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Turns out Jonathan Martin was never bullied after all.

Jonathan Martin wants you to forget the only thing you remember about him

A target of bullying in the 2013 Miami Dolphins locker room, he is now making his way in business and finance.

www.espn.com

 

[BladeRunner]

Turns out Jonathan Martin was never bullied after all.

Jonathan Martin wants you to forget the only thing you remember about him

A target of bullying in the 2013 Miami Dolphins locker room, he is now making his way in business and finance.

www.espn.com

The original Jussie Smollet.

 

[fatness]

Turns out Jonathan Martin was never bullied after all.

Jonathan Martin wants you to forget the only thing you remember about him

A target of bullying in the 2013 Miami Dolphins locker room, he is now making his way in business and finance.

www.espn.com

Odd, because the NFL report at the time said he was.

Wells' report, released Feb. 14, 2014, found that Incognito and two other Dolphins offensive linemen, Mike Pouncey and John Jerry, engaged in a pattern of harassment of Martin -- a case that became known as "Bullygate."

 

[Ashem]

From the article

It's Incognito's voice, April 6, 2013.

"Hey, wassup, you half-n----- piece of s---. I saw you on Twitter, you been training 10 weeks. I'll s--- in your f---ing mouth. I'm going to slap your f---ing mouth, I'm going to slap your real mother across the face [laughter]. F--- you, you're still a rookie. I'll kill you."

Bullying? Banter between teammates? Other?

 

[Deamon]

weird

 

[Alex P Keaton]

From the article

It's Incognito's voice, April 6, 2013.

"Hey, wassup, you half-n----- piece of s---. I saw you on Twitter, you been training 10 weeks. I'll s--- in your f---ing mouth. I'm going to slap your f---ing mouth, I'm going to slap your real mother across the face [laughter]. F--- you, you're still a rookie. I'll kill you."

Bullying? Banter between teammates? Other?

My coworkers and I leave voicemails like that for each other every day

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Another Stephen Ross success story as owner of the Miami Dolphins

 

[Desert_Power]

weird

Yeah. Not sure what to think. Saw Richie out there claiming justification over the weekend.

 

[msudaisy26]

IMO the first sentence is completely out of line and shouldn't be allowed. Maybe you can get away with saying something like that to your best friends or tight knit group of friends, but in a workplace with someone you barley know it should never happen.

Actually rereading that is all over the line unless you know for 100 percent that your friend won't care.

 

[Doug B]

Actually rereading that is all over the line unless you know for 100 percent that your friend won't care.

And my understanding is that it wasn't a one-off -- it was constant.

I think Martin is in denial. "Bullying" is a label. You weren't "bullied"? Fine -- something untoward went down, no matter what name he puts on it. It's too bad that same something made Martin look terrible, whether or not he was a victim. And I don't think backtracking a decade later and proclaiming "I was never bullied" redeems Martin's reputation. He would've been a lot better off just living his best life and leaving sports/sports media miles behind.

I read the entire ESPN piece Rambling Wreck linked. I didn't know about his 2018 incident:

JUST DAYS AFTER a mass shooting at a high school in Parkland, Florida, Gus Martin was at home in Los Angeles when he got a text. It was February 2018, just over three years since his son's last NFL game, and one of Jonathan's friends told him about a post on Jonathan's Instagram account. The post showed a photo of a shotgun with ammunition scattered around it. It tagged the accounts of former Miami teammates Richie Incognito and Mike Pouncey, as well as the accounts of two former high school classmates, and included hashtags for Harvard-Westlake and the Dolphins.​

​

"When you're a bully victim & a coward, your options are suicide, or revenge," the caption on the post read.​

​

...​

​

Martin was arrested and faced four felony counts in connection with the post. His then-lawyer, Winston McKesson, told the Los Angeles Times that the post was "not a threat ... it was a cry for help." One count against Martin was dismissed in January 2019, and the others were dismissed in 2021 after he completed a two-year diversion program.​

Whether or not Martin was bullied in his own mind ... he was clearly grappling with whatever it was that happened for several years after leaving the Dolphins. Needless to say, Martin's probably sorry he ever met those three teammates in Miami. Different team, different guys, and maybe he has a whole different career regardless of whatever his personal issues were then.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

One more time for the record...

Dolphins owner appalled by bullying scandal

Miami Dolphins owner Stephen Ross has broken his silence on the bullying scandal that has engulfed his team, saying he's appalled by Jonathan Martin's allegations of daily harassment by teammates.

www.espn.com

from the article...
"Ross said to he has formed an independent advisory group that includes Tony Dungy, Don Shula, Dan Marino, Jason Taylor and Curtis Martin to review organizational conduct policies and to make recommendations on areas for improvement."

-Yeah that never happened and Ross would go on to be the only owner in the NFL suspended for 8 games over the Tom Brady-Sean Payton tampering,
Let's keep the focus on poor leadership in Miami that is allowed to continue

 

[JohnnyU]

Turns out Jonathan Martin was never bullied after all.

Jonathan Martin wants you to forget the only thing you remember about him

A target of bullying in the 2013 Miami Dolphins locker room, he is now making his way in business and finance.

www.espn.com

The original Jussie Smollet.

Yet it ruined Incognito's reputation and career.

-Oops, sorry about that Richie, hope you forgive me. Not sure what caused me to do that. Oh well, life goes on.
-- Jonathan Martin

 

[BassNBrew]

Turns out Jonathan Martin was never bullied after all.

Jonathan Martin wants you to forget the only thing you remember about him

A target of bullying in the 2013 Miami Dolphins locker room, he is now making his way in business and finance.

www.espn.com

Turns out Jonathan Martin was never bullied after all.

Jonathan Martin wants you to forget the only thing you remember about him

A target of bullying in the 2013 Miami Dolphins locker room, he is now making his way in business and finance.

www.espn.com

The original Jussie Smollet.

Am I missing something here? Obviously he was bullied. He just doesn't want to talk about it. Maybe a coping mechanism from his treatment.

He said most people, especially those who didn't play the game, might think what happened to him was bullying. But men who sweat and grunt and bang heads for a living often act a certain way when they are around each other. "She's never played football," he said. "She doesn't know what it's like to communicate when you're playing football."

I'm sorry, but while it's physical, it's a freaking game. You can be a tough SOB and knock people on the butt without personally insulting or harassing them.

 

[Chaka]

Turns out Jonathan Martin was never bullied after all.

Jonathan Martin wants you to forget the only thing you remember about him

A target of bullying in the 2013 Miami Dolphins locker room, he is now making his way in business and finance.

www.espn.com

The original Jussie Smollet.

Yet it ruined Incognito's reputation and career.

-Oops, sorry about that Richie, hope you forgive me. Not sure what caused me to do that. Oh well, life goes on.
-- Jonathan Martin

I'm pretty sure you're joking. Right?

Incognito played five more seasons, with three pro bowls, at higher base and guaranteed salaries than he made in Miami.

And he had a deeply rooted reputation for being... off kilter long before whatever happened in Miami.

 

[JohnnyU]

Turns out Jonathan Martin was never bullied after all.

Jonathan Martin wants you to forget the only thing you remember about him

A target of bullying in the 2013 Miami Dolphins locker room, he is now making his way in business and finance.

www.espn.com

The original Jussie Smollet.

Yet it ruined Incognito's reputation and career.

-Oops, sorry about that Richie, hope you forgive me. Not sure what caused me to do that. Oh well, life goes on.
-- Jonathan Martin

I'm pretty sure you're joking. Right?

He played five more seasons, with three pro bowls, at higher base and guaranteed salaries than he made in Miami.

And he had a deeply rooted reputation for being... off kilter long before whatever happened in Miami.

Well, my Martin response was obviously a joke, but what he did shouldn’t be deflected to somehow lesson its severity. No one should ever make up lies about another person like that and it indeed did damage his reputation. Now Martin’s reputation is permanently damaged, as it should be.

 

[BassNBrew]

Turns out Jonathan Martin was never bullied after all.

Jonathan Martin wants you to forget the only thing you remember about him

A target of bullying in the 2013 Miami Dolphins locker room, he is now making his way in business and finance.

www.espn.com

The original Jussie Smollet.

Yet it ruined Incognito's reputation and career.

-Oops, sorry about that Richie, hope you forgive me. Not sure what caused me to do that. Oh well, life goes on.
-- Jonathan Martin

I'm pretty sure you're joking. Right?

He played five more seasons, with three pro bowls, at higher base and guaranteed salaries than he made in Miami.

And he had a deeply rooted reputation for being... off kilter long before whatever happened in Miami.

Well, my Martin response was obviously a joke, but what he did shouldn’t be deflected to somehow lesson its severity. No one should ever make up lies about another person like that and it indeed did damage his reputation. Now Martin’s reputation is permanently damaged, as it should be.

What lies did he make up? His dad has the voicemail.

 

[JohnnyU]

Turns out Jonathan Martin was never bullied after all.

Jonathan Martin wants you to forget the only thing you remember about him

A target of bullying in the 2013 Miami Dolphins locker room, he is now making his way in business and finance.

www.espn.com

The original Jussie Smollet.

Yet it ruined Incognito's reputation and career.

-Oops, sorry about that Richie, hope you forgive me. Not sure what caused me to do that. Oh well, life goes on.
-- Jonathan Martin

I'm pretty sure you're joking. Right?

He played five more seasons, with three pro bowls, at higher base and guaranteed salaries than he made in Miami.

And he had a deeply rooted reputation for being... off kilter long before whatever happened in Miami.

Well, my Martin response was obviously a joke, but what he did shouldn’t be deflected to somehow lesson its severity. No one should ever make up lies about another person like that and it indeed did damage his reputation. Now Martin’s reputation is permanently damaged, as it should be.

What lies did he make up? His dad has the voicemail.

It is my understanding that Martin came and admitted Incognito didn’t bully him. Is that not true? Without reading every post in here I thought that was the breaking news. I apologize if I was mistaken.

 

[BassNBrew]

Turns out Jonathan Martin was never bullied after all.

Jonathan Martin wants you to forget the only thing you remember about him

A target of bullying in the 2013 Miami Dolphins locker room, he is now making his way in business and finance.

www.espn.com

The original Jussie Smollet.

Yet it ruined Incognito's reputation and career.

-Oops, sorry about that Richie, hope you forgive me. Not sure what caused me to do that. Oh well, life goes on.
-- Jonathan Martin

I'm pretty sure you're joking. Right?

He played five more seasons, with three pro bowls, at higher base and guaranteed salaries than he made in Miami.

And he had a deeply rooted reputation for being... off kilter long before whatever happened in Miami.

Well, my Martin response was obviously a joke, but what he did shouldn’t be deflected to somehow lesson its severity. No one should ever make up lies about another person like that and it indeed did damage his reputation. Now Martin’s reputation is permanently damaged, as it should be.

What lies did he make up? His dad has the voicemail.

It is my understanding that Martin came and admitted Incognito didn’t bully him. Is that not true? Without reading every post in here I thought that was the breaking news. I apologize if I was mistaken.

The article was a great read. He didn't deny what happened, basically said he wants to move on from it and not let it define him. Makes a statement that it's football. He went to the hospital for treatment after posting about people being bullied had the options of suicide or revenge.

 

[Chaka]

Turns out Jonathan Martin was never bullied after all.

Jonathan Martin wants you to forget the only thing you remember about him

A target of bullying in the 2013 Miami Dolphins locker room, he is now making his way in business and finance.

www.espn.com

The original Jussie Smollet.

Yet it ruined Incognito's reputation and career.

-Oops, sorry about that Richie, hope you forgive me. Not sure what caused me to do that. Oh well, life goes on.
-- Jonathan Martin

I'm pretty sure you're joking. Right?

He played five more seasons, with three pro bowls, at higher base and guaranteed salaries than he made in Miami.

And he had a deeply rooted reputation for being... off kilter long before whatever happened in Miami.

Well, my Martin response was obviously a joke, but what he did shouldn’t be deflected to somehow lesson its severity. No one should ever make up lies about another person like that and it indeed did damage his reputation. Now Martin’s reputation is permanently damaged, as it should be.

What lies did he make up? His dad has the voicemail.

It is my understanding that Martin came and admitted Incognito didn’t bully him. Is that not true? Without reading every post in here I thought that was the breaking news. I apologize if I was mistaken.

He said he didn't feel he was bullied not that the things that Incognito and others did, didn't happen.

 

[BassNBrew]

This stuff was rampant back in the day. Experienced some of it myself until I got to the point I could bench press more than most of the football team. Some kid was harassing me and I dropped him in gym class with one shot and felt sick about it. Nobody ever bothered me after that but how stupid that was the way or the day.

I do kind of laugh at how bad bullying is today. In elementary school I had to walk blocks out of my way to avoid the junior high kids who beat up elementary kids for the fun of it. I remember walking home in junior and older kids shooting at you with BB guns. The football invitation was for the upper classmen to rub BenGay on the the nuts of the underclassmen. That was making it's way into the soccer ranks. I saw it coming as a 9th grader and kicked of of the kids in the nuts and ran home. It got to the point in the football ranks that they were taping kids to benches and basically sexually assaulting them. Those incidents from two separate states. Weird time when nothing out of line was tolerated in actual class, but it was the wild west in the extra curricular events. At the time I just thought it was part of the culture. Even moving into college we had two kids die from alcohol poisoning from hazing.

I could post more but need to get a run in.

 

[JohnnyU]

This stuff was rampant back in the day. Experienced some of it myself until I got to the point I could bench press more than most of the football team. Some kid was harassing me and I dropped him in gym class with one shot and felt sick about it. Nobody ever bothered me after that but how stupid that was the way or the day.

I do kind of laugh at how bad bullying is today. In elementary school I had to walk blocks out of my way to avoid the junior high kids who beat up elementary kids for the fun of it. I remember walking home in junior and older kids shooting at you with BB guns. The football invitation was for the upper classmen to rub BenGay on the the nuts of the underclassmen. That was making it's way into the soccer ranks. I saw it coming as a 9th grader and kicked of of the kids in the nuts and ran home. It got to the point in the football ranks that they were taping kids to benches and basically sexually assaulting them. Those incidents from two separate states. Weird time when nothing out of line was tolerated in actual class, but it was the wild west in the extra curricular events. At the time I just thought it was part of the culture. Even moving into college we had two kids die from alcohol poisoning from hazing.

I could post more but need to get a run in.

Bengay on the nuts was a thing from my basketball days in my youth back in the early 70s.

 

[BassNBrew]

This stuff was rampant back in the day. Experienced some of it myself until I got to the point I could bench press more than most of the football team. Some kid was harassing me and I dropped him in gym class with one shot and felt sick about it. Nobody ever bothered me after that but how stupid that was the way or the day.

I do kind of laugh at how bad bullying is today. In elementary school I had to walk blocks out of my way to avoid the junior high kids who beat up elementary kids for the fun of it. I remember walking home in junior and older kids shooting at you with BB guns. The football invitation was for the upper classmen to rub BenGay on the the nuts of the underclassmen. That was making it's way into the soccer ranks. I saw it coming as a 9th grader and kicked of of the kids in the nuts and ran home. It got to the point in the football ranks that they were taping kids to benches and basically sexually assaulting them. Those incidents from two separate states. Weird time when nothing out of line was tolerated in actual class, but it was the wild west in the extra curricular events. At the time I just thought it was part of the culture. Even moving into college we had two kids die from alcohol poisoning from hazing.

I could post more but need to get a run in.

Bengay on the nuts was a thing from my basketball days in my youth back in the early 70s.

Was the atomic balm a thing then too?

 

[JohnnyU]

This stuff was rampant back in the day. Experienced some of it myself until I got to the point I could bench press more than most of the football team. Some kid was harassing me and I dropped him in gym class with one shot and felt sick about it. Nobody ever bothered me after that but how stupid that was the way or the day.

I do kind of laugh at how bad bullying is today. In elementary school I had to walk blocks out of my way to avoid the junior high kids who beat up elementary kids for the fun of it. I remember walking home in junior and older kids shooting at you with BB guns. The football invitation was for the upper classmen to rub BenGay on the the nuts of the underclassmen. That was making it's way into the soccer ranks. I saw it coming as a 9th grader and kicked of of the kids in the nuts and ran home. It got to the point in the football ranks that they were taping kids to benches and basically sexually assaulting them. Those incidents from two separate states. Weird time when nothing out of line was tolerated in actual class, but it was the wild west in the extra curricular events. At the time I just thought it was part of the culture. Even moving into college we had two kids die from alcohol poisoning from hazing.

I could post more but need to get a run in.

Bengay on the nuts was a thing from my basketball days in my youth back in the early 70s.

Was the atomic balm a thing then too?

I've never heard of that one.

 

[Chaka]

I got to the point I could bench press more than most of the football team.

#humblebrag