Dolphin Players bullied Jonathan Martin, Richie Incognito SUSPENDED (2 Viewers)

[Widbil83]

My guess as to what happened here is that Martin put up with routine hazing from Incognito. At some point Incognito went to far and Martin went to management. When management blew Martin off, being a presumably smart guy with two lawyer parents took on a "well that is gonna cost you" attitude.

At that point he started documenting everything for the better part of a year and probably goaded Incognito into bolder action. Now he has what he needs to drill people that don't know how to behave in Incognito and and the Dolphins who failed to address it.

Smart guys don't slug people, hurt their hands and then get them selves fined. They hurt people for real. Cost them their jobs and then get paid for exacting revenge.

It's what I did when my boss was banging a co worker and I had to do all her work so they could go #### on their 3 hour lunch, then he gives me a poor raise because I couldn't do her and my work. Middle management blew me off saying that this guy would never do that. It doesn't take long to gather evidence and give people the rope to hang them selves if you are trying to hang them, then blow things up.

For all the guys saying to punch the person in stronger position who has management backing so you are not a #####, what Martin is doing is laying the ultimate beatdown on Incognito and the Dolphins, whatever they did to Martin he is ####### them up 100 times worse now.

This. It's going to come down to a federal lawsuit.

 

[Short Corner]

Unfortunately this story is not just gonna be the nightly NFLN at 5:00, this is now on MSNBC, the View, lot of people who know very little about professional sports are going to weigh in with their opinion and that is gonna muddy the waters a lot here.

This will be historic in the realm of hazing and bullying. This topic was already toxic enough with modern tech and the tragedies of young people. This will be a catalyst for something. I don't know what though.

If that girl wouldn't have just killed herself over "cyber-bullying" I don't think this story would be so big.

Don't be a ####### ##### bag. It isn't funny.

 

[Widbil83]

Unfortunately this story is not just gonna be the nightly NFLN at 5:00, this is now on MSNBC, the View, lot of people who know very little about professional sports are going to weigh in with their opinion and that is gonna muddy the waters a lot here.

This will be historic in the realm of hazing and bullying. This topic was already toxic enough with modern tech and the tragedies of young people. This will be a catalyst for something. I don't know what though.

If that girl wouldn't have just killed herself over "cyber-bullying" I don't think this story would be so big.

Don't be a ####### ##### bag. It isn't funny.

He was obviously being sarcastic (in very bad taste) but has a point. There is a difference between a couple 300lb NFL players making 40 or 60 million than a helpless middle schooler being bullied by a bunch of ####heads.

 

[msommer]

Unfortunately this story is not just gonna be the nightly NFLN at 5:00, this is now on MSNBC, the View, lot of people who know very little about professional sports are going to weigh in with their opinion and that is gonna muddy the waters a lot here.

This will be historic in the realm of hazing and bullying. This topic was already toxic enough with modern tech and the tragedies of young people. This will be a catalyst for something. I don't know what though.

If that girl wouldn't have just killed herself over "cyber-bullying" I don't think this story would be so big.

Don't be a ####### ##### bag. It isn't funny.

He was obviously being sarcastic (in very bad taste) but has a point. There is a difference between a couple 300lb NFL players making 40 or 60 million than a helpless middle schooler being bullied by a bunch of ####heads.

You're off a bit on the money, Richie incognito signed a 3 year contract in 2011 for 13 million. He is UFA after this season as far as I can tell. Jonathan Martin is in the second year of his rookie contract for 4.8 million

 

[Craig_MiamiFL]

My guess as to what happened here is that Martin put up with routine hazing from Incognito. At some point Incognito went to far and Martin went to management. When management blew Martin off, being a presumably smart guy with two lawyer parents took on a "well that is gonna cost you" attitude.

At that point he started documenting everything for the better part of a year and probably goaded Incognito into bolder action. Now he has what he needs to drill people that don't know how to behave in Incognito and and the Dolphins who failed to address it.

Smart guys don't slug people, hurt their hands and then get them selves fined. They hurt people for real. Cost them their jobs and then get paid for exacting revenge.

It's what I did when my boss was banging a co worker and I had to do all her work so they could go #### on their 3 hour lunch, then he gives me a poor raise because I couldn't do her and my work. Middle management blew me off saying that this guy would never do that. It doesn't take long to gather evidence and give people the rope to hang them selves if you are trying to hang them, then blow things up.

For all the guys saying to punch the person in stronger position who has management backing so you are not a #####, what Martin is doing is laying the ultimate beatdown on Incognito and the Dolphins, whatever they did to Martin he is ####### them up 100 times worse now.

 

[fatness]

Some things never change.

Richie Incognito once bullied a teammate so badly that the teammate suddenly got up from the ground and stomped out of football practice. It was early 2002 — long before Incognito was accused of similar behavior with the Miami Dolphins. Incognito was just a freshman at Nebraska, but that didn't stop him from picking fights or harassing teammates, in this case a non-scholarship offensive lineman named Jack Limbaugh. Incognito plowed into Limbaugh's back during practice, knocking him to the ground for no apparent reason. Limbaugh responded by getting up, grabbing his equipment and walking out, according to the diary of teammate David Kolowski.

There's a pattern at work here, much of which resembles an old stereotype: The privileged jock who likes to make life miserable for opponents and easy targets.

"Richie Incognito is... a dirty and disrespectful player," Jackson said on Twitter. "For those wondering...I played him 4x when I was with Seattle. We all knew to watch our KNEES and be alert for his antics."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/2013/11/05/incognito-bully-accusations-nebraska-freshman/3439819/

 

[flysack]

Noteworthy -

http://deadspin.com/shirtless-richie-incognito-drops-an-n-bomb-and-acts-lik-1458436867

 

[fatness]

Bart Scott

"I want to see [NFL commissioner] Roger Goodell step up and talking about player conduct and protecting the shield -- this guy needs to be out of this league," Scott said

"It doesn't surprise me one bit. He's a fake tough guy. He's a guy that suffers from mood swings, if you know what I mean. That's something we've always known," said Scott, who competed against Incognito during his career. "One of the dirtiest players, if not the dirtiest player I've ever played against."

Scott, who once threw a punch at Incognito following a game and called him a coward, acknowledged there's rookie hazing and different ways players tease one another but couldn't believe the lengths Incognito went to in his alleged bullying."Take it to a point where you're harassing him by phone?" Scott said. "You got to be some type of loser in your spare time away from the building you want to call me and leave threatening messages and text messages on my phone. That's taking bullying to a whole other level."

"They better be lucky that this kid didn't reach one of the points that some of these other people get bullied and bring a gun to work and we have some type of tragic incident on our hands because he can't just take enough," Scott said. "Thank God that he just walked away."

Scott was highly critical of the Dolphins' front office and their locker room for not preventing it.

He said he was disturbed the veterans on the team, including center Mike Pouncey, didn't step up and put a stop to it. Scott added that the rest of the offensive line is just as guilty as Incognito if they let it go on, as is coach Joe Philbin if he knew about it. Scott had a hard time believing the team wasn't aware.

"There's no way somebody can be that uncomfortable and that bullied that you don't know when you spend that much time with him and there's that many eyes around him at the same time," he said.

 

[flysack]

My guess as to what happened here is that Martin put up with routine hazing from Incognito. At some point Incognito went to far and Martin went to management. When management blew Martin off, being a presumably smart guy with two lawyer parents took on a "well that is gonna cost you" attitude.

At that point he started documenting everything for the better part of a year and probably goaded Incognito into bolder action. Now he has what he needs to drill people that don't know how to behave in Incognito and and the Dolphins who failed to address it.

Smart guys don't slug people, hurt their hands and then get them selves fined. They hurt people for real. Cost them their jobs and then get paid for exacting revenge.

It's what I did when my boss was banging a co worker and I had to do all her work so they could go #### on their 3 hour lunch, then he gives me a poor raise because I couldn't do her and my work. Middle management blew me off saying that this guy would never do that. It doesn't take long to gather evidence and give people the rope to hang them selves if you are trying to hang them, then blow things up.

For all the guys saying to punch the person in stronger position who has management backing so you are not a #####, what Martin is doing is laying the ultimate beatdown on Incognito and the Dolphins, whatever they did to Martin he is ####### them up 100 times worse now.

Yep.

 

[fatness]

Anyone else read this glowing 2012 article about Incognito by Jeff Darlington? I think Darlington's in love.

To understand Incognito, you must first understand his father. He is a sweet man, a kind and loving dad who literally cries with pride when he talks about his two sons. In a recent text message, Richie Sr. wrote that he'd "lay in front of a bus for one of my sons." At this year's Pro Bowl in Hawaii, AFC coach John Fox unofficially dubbed him "the father of the week."

"I'd always tell Richie, 'You don't take no s--- from anyone. If you let anyone give you s--- now, you're going to take s--- your entire life.' "

When Richie Sr. felt like his son was getting overshadowed in youth league football because he wasn't one of the coaches' kids, the dad reminded Richie Jr. that he'd get his chance someday. "I'd try to cheer him up," said Richie Sr., who is now a custom pool builder in Arizona. "I'd tell him, 'Payback is going to come, Richie. When it's time for you to have your payback, you open up the gates of hell and make them stare at the devil.' "And when that day came, man, he made them stare at the devil."

 

[matuski]

Bart Scott

"I want to see [NFL commissioner] Roger Goodell step up and talking about player conduct and protecting the shield -- this guy needs to be out of this league," Scott said

"It doesn't surprise me one bit. He's a fake tough guy. He's a guy that suffers from mood swings, if you know what I mean. That's something we've always known," said Scott, who competed against Incognito during his career. "One of the dirtiest players, if not the dirtiest player I've ever played against."

Scott, who once threw a punch at Incognito following a game and called him a coward, acknowledged there's rookie hazing and different ways players tease one another but couldn't believe the lengths Incognito went to in his alleged bullying."Take it to a point where you're harassing him by phone?" Scott said. "You got to be some type of loser in your spare time away from the building you want to call me and leave threatening messages and text messages on my phone. That's taking bullying to a whole other level."

"They better be lucky that this kid didn't reach one of the points that some of these other people get bullied and bring a gun to work and we have some type of tragic incident on our hands because he can't just take enough," Scott said. "Thank God that he just walked away."

Scott was highly critical of the Dolphins' front office and their locker room for not preventing it.

He said he was disturbed the veterans on the team, including center Mike Pouncey, didn't step up and put a stop to it. Scott added that the rest of the offensive line is just as guilty as Incognito if they let it go on, as is coach Joe Philbin if he knew about it. Scott had a hard time believing the team wasn't aware.

"There's no way somebody can be that uncomfortable and that bullied that you don't know when you spend that much time with him and there's that many eyes around him at the same time," he said.

Well put.

 

[Todd Andrews]

My guess as to what happened here is that Martin put up with routine hazing from Incognito. At some point Incognito went to far and Martin went to management. When management blew Martin off, being a presumably smart guy with two lawyer parents took on a "well that is gonna cost you" attitude.

At that point he started documenting everything for the better part of a year and probably goaded Incognito into bolder action. Now he has what he needs to drill people that don't know how to behave in Incognito and and the Dolphins who failed to address it.

Smart guys don't slug people, hurt their hands and then get them selves fined. They hurt people for real. Cost them their jobs and then get paid for exacting revenge.

It's what I did when my boss was banging a co worker and I had to do all her work so they could go #### on their 3 hour lunch, then he gives me a poor raise because I couldn't do her and my work. Middle management blew me off saying that this guy would never do that. It doesn't take long to gather evidence and give people the rope to hang them selves if you are trying to hang them, then blow things up.

For all the guys saying to punch the person in stronger position who has management backing so you are not a #####, what Martin is doing is laying the ultimate beatdown on Incognito and the Dolphins, whatever they did to Martin he is ####### them up 100 times worse now.

Yep.

Bingo.

 

[flysack]

Hey Fins fans - how is Martin on the field? Is he a good tackle? If so, a savvy team should dangle a 6th round pick to the Dolphins.

 

[Phenix]

My guess as to what happened here is that Martin put up with routine hazing from Incognito. At some point Incognito went to far and Martin went to management. When management blew Martin off, being a presumably smart guy with two lawyer parents took on a "well that is gonna cost you" attitude.

At that point he started documenting everything for the better part of a year and probably goaded Incognito into bolder action. Now he has what he needs to drill people that don't know how to behave in Incognito and and the Dolphins who failed to address it.

Smart guys don't slug people, hurt their hands and then get them selves fined. They hurt people for real. Cost them their jobs and then get paid for exacting revenge.

It's what I did when my boss was banging a co worker and I had to do all her work so they could go #### on their 3 hour lunch, then he gives me a poor raise because I couldn't do her and my work. Middle management blew me off saying that this guy would never do that. It doesn't take long to gather evidence and give people the rope to hang them selves if you are trying to hang them, then blow things up.

For all the guys saying to punch the person in stronger position who has management backing so you are not a #####, what Martin is doing is laying the ultimate beatdown on Incognito and the Dolphins, whatever they did to Martin he is ####### them up 100 times worse now.

Yep.

Bingo.

Indeed.

But I think MoP will not see it that way.

 

[bucsbaby]

My guess as to what happened here is that Martin put up with routine hazing from Incognito. At some point Incognito went to far and Martin went to management. When management blew Martin off, being a presumably smart guy with two lawyer parents took on a "well that is gonna cost you" attitude.

At that point he started documenting everything for the better part of a year and probably goaded Incognito into bolder action. Now he has what he needs to drill people that don't know how to behave in Incognito and and the Dolphins who failed to address it.

Smart guys don't slug people, hurt their hands and then get them selves fined. They hurt people for real. Cost them their jobs and then get paid for exacting revenge.

It's what I did when my boss was banging a co worker and I had to do all her work so they could go #### on their 3 hour lunch, then he gives me a poor raise because I couldn't do her and my work. Middle management blew me off saying that this guy would never do that. It doesn't take long to gather evidence and give people the rope to hang them selves if you are trying to hang them, then blow things up.

For all the guys saying to punch the person in stronger position who has management backing so you are not a #####, what Martin is doing is laying the ultimate beatdown on Incognito and the Dolphins, whatever they did to Martin he is ####### them up 100 times worse now.

Yep.

Bingo.

Thank you, exactly

 

[Phenix]

Hey Fins fans - how is Martin on the field? Is he a good tackle? If so, a savvy team should dangle a 6th round pick to the Dolphins.

Trade deadline passed.

 

[Sinn Fein]

My guess as to what happened here is that Martin put up with routine hazing from Incognito. At some point Incognito went to far and Martin went to management. When management blew Martin off, being a presumably smart guy with two lawyer parents took on a "well that is gonna cost you" attitude.

At that point he started documenting everything for the better part of a year and probably goaded Incognito into bolder action. Now he has what he needs to drill people that don't know how to behave in Incognito and and the Dolphins who failed to address it.

Smart guys don't slug people, hurt their hands and then get them selves fined. They hurt people for real. Cost them their jobs and then get paid for exacting revenge.

It's what I did when my boss was banging a co worker and I had to do all her work so they could go #### on their 3 hour lunch, then he gives me a poor raise because I couldn't do her and my work. Middle management blew me off saying that this guy would never do that. It doesn't take long to gather evidence and give people the rope to hang them selves if you are trying to hang them, then blow things up.

For all the guys saying to punch the person in stronger position who has management backing so you are not a #####, what Martin is doing is laying the ultimate beatdown on Incognito and the Dolphins, whatever they did to Martin he is ####### them up 100 times worse now.

Yep.

Bingo.

Thank you, exactly

Which is exactly why he would have been a persona non-grata on any nfl team, had he wanted to continue playing.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Noteworthy -

http://deadspin.com/shirtless-richie-incognito-drops-an-n-bomb-and-acts-lik-1458436867

"Kyle Turley" I guess all 'roided-up offensive linemen look the same.

 

[flysack]

Hey Fins fans - how is Martin on the field? Is he a good tackle? If so, a savvy team should dangle a 6th round pick to the Dolphins.

Trade deadline passed.

 

[Abraham]

You guys are fools if you think winning teams with real leadership put up with "locker room" behavior. I can't imagine what color the sky is on the planet where the patriots, broncos, saints, etc let stuff like this go on.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

"Hey, wassup, you half n----- piece of s---. I saw you on Twitter, you been training 10 weeks. [i want to] s--- in your f---ing mouth. [i'm going to] slap your f---ing mouth. [i'm going to] slap your real mother across the face [laughter]. F--- you, you're still a rookie. I'll kill you."

[SIZE=11.81px]Interpretation of caveman-redneck speak:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11.81px]What's up bro? Saw you on twitter, you've been training for 10 weeks. You looking like a beast. But I still got you rookie. I'm going to show you how it's done when camp starts.[/SIZE]

Incognito seems like a jerkoff. But a death threat? Give me a break.

 

[gsmayes]

the coverage on this is kind of amazing; it's like ESPN just discovered that football players are #######s. most of us that went to high school already know this.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Is this going to end up being a bigger story than Hernandez?

 

[Quez]

I know a guy who is friends with a current Dolphin O-linemen. He said Martin is a p****. This was before the text message thing came out though, so not sure if that changes his opinion or not.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Is the audio of the voicemail out yet?

 

[LuckyOne]

EEO and violence in the workplace (OSHA) are defined by federal laws. What any of us, any team or league representative thinks is irrelevant. There is credible evidence that both were violated. Now that the team and league are aware of it, they will make sure they address it. They will do this to help protect themselves financially in any future legal matters.

Us arguing about what should happen has very little meaning. What will happen is that anyone that can credibly be determined to have violated regulations will be reprimanded.

 

[pizzatyme]

I'm kind of new to the whole story--anyone find it weird/odd that Martin still

has a voicemail from April?

Nope. Honestly, if anyone ever threatened to kill me or harm a family member I'd absolutely save it and record any convo that ever took place after that. I'd be building a case from the second I got a message like that.

I think we may be reading the VM differently.

Maybe...I don't know. I've had some brutal ball busters in my life who've talked major trash but no one ever threated to kill me as a joke. But maybe

that's what all the cool kids are doing these days?

In my 35 years I've probably said it close to a million times in a not serious way.

Just so you know, that works out to ~78 times saying I per day. Please get help.

 

[Polka King]

"You have posted more than the allowed number of quoted blocks of text"

So, I will just summarize my many responses to this thread:

1) Social/emotional bullying is as, if not more, harmful than physical bullying. This has been shown time and again in the research literature on bullying

2) Lots of (implicit/explicit) condoning of bullying in this thread. Lots of victim blaming as well. Some really disgusting examples.

3) Resorting to physical violence should never be seen as the appropriate response to being bullied. No one should be put in the position that they need to expose themselves to harming or being harmed just because they are the victim of bullying. Unfortunately, because of people not recognizing #1 and because of #2, people who are bullied often feel they have no recourse but to resort to fighting back -- at which point they often face consequences (e.g., physical assault charge, being suspended/expelled from school, etc.)

4) Martin was being bullied by a GROUP of large guys with thug connections -- #3 doesn't sound so hot in that context, does it?

5) The comment about preferring the bully to the "rat" and the whole discourse around viewing whistleblowers as "rats" is just a disgusting commentary on the state of society.

6) +1 to the comments that being "a man" doesn't have to equate to pounding your chest and punching people.

Agree completely. I'd bump this post multiple times above all this other drivel.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I'm kind of new to the whole story--anyone find it weird/odd that Martin still

has a voicemail from April?

Nope. Honestly, if anyone ever threatened to kill me or harm a family member I'd absolutely save it and record any convo that ever took place after that. I'd be building a case from the second I got a message like that.

I think we may be reading the VM differently.

Maybe...I don't know. I've had some brutal ball busters in my life who've talked major trash but no one ever threated to kill me as a joke. But maybe

that's what all the cool kids are doing these days?

In my 35 years I've probably said it close to a million times in a not serious way.

Just so you know, that works out to ~78 times saying I per day. Please get help.

I have kids buddy, I was aiming low with that number

 

[aerolaw]

Hey Fins fans - how is Martin on the field? Is he a good tackle? If so, a savvy team should dangle a 6th round pick to the Dolphins.

He was drafted by Ireland, how good could he be?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

"You have posted more than the allowed number of quoted blocks of text"

So, I will just summarize my many responses to this thread:

1) Social/emotional bullying is as, if not more, harmful than physical bullying. This has been shown time and again in the research literature on bullying

2) Lots of (implicit/explicit) condoning of bullying in this thread. Lots of victim blaming as well. Some really disgusting examples.

3) Resorting to physical violence should never be seen as the appropriate response to being bullied. No one should be put in the position that they need to expose themselves to harming or being harmed just because they are the victim of bullying. Unfortunately, because of people not recognizing #1 and because of #2, people who are bullied often feel they have no recourse but to resort to fighting back -- at which point they often face consequences (e.g., physical assault charge, being suspended/expelled from school, etc.)

4) Martin was being bullied by a GROUP of large guys with thug connections -- #3 doesn't sound so hot in that context, does it?

5) The comment about preferring the bully to the "rat" and the whole discourse around viewing whistleblowers as "rats" is just a disgusting commentary on the state of society.

6) +1 to the comments that being "a man" doesn't have to equate to pounding your chest and punching people.

Agree completely. I'd bump this post multiple times above all this other drivel.

I am not condoning anyones behavior but I stopped reading after #2 and you should have stopped after the bolded.

Not many here know both sides and/or who the actual victim is. I sure as hell ain't taking the word of a voicemail's TEXT, from April, as gospel and proof that thsi guy was bullied. If it was as bad as he states there would be a TON of proof, from a ton of people. Right now it seems like Martin just won the one man race to the hilltops. With Richie's reputation and this being a PR nightmare the Dolphons had no choice but to suspend him

 

[mr roboto]

Bill Polian (who knows a thing or two about pro football culture) on Mike and Mike said he and Dungy had some rules. No hazing. Everyone was to be considered a professional and a teammate. To become a sum greater that the parts you cannot destroy one another. Manning, Saturday, Freeney etc. were all on board and helped enforce these rules.

But the keyboard jockeys here clearly know better than that.

 

[JuniorNB]

I know a guy who is friends with a current Dolphin O-linemen. He said Martin is a p****. This was before the text message thing came out though, so not sure if that changes his opinion or not.

Why does that matter? All the more reason that Incignito is a an ###**** for bullying him.

 

[gsmayes]

I know a guy who is friends with a current Dolphin O-linemen. He said Martin is a p****. This was before the text message thing came out though, so not sure if that changes his opinion or not.

was that before or after he threatened to kill you?

 

[MoveToSkypager]

You guys are fools if you think winning teams with real leadership put up with "locker room" behavior. I can't imagine what color the sky is on the planet where the patriots, broncos, saints, etc let stuff like this go on.

Those teams have strong leaders on them. Manning or Brady wouldn't ever put up with that sort of crap. Who are the leaders on Miami?

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

You guys are fools if you think winning teams with real leadership put up with "locker room" behavior. I can't imagine what color the sky is on the planet where the patriots, broncos, saints, etc let stuff like this go on.

The SAINTS? What Bountygate?

 

[FF Wiseguy]

You guys are fools if you think winning teams with real leadership put up with "locker room" behavior. I can't imagine what color the sky is on the planet where the patriots, broncos, saints, etc let stuff like this go on.

Those teams have strong leaders on them. Manning or Brady wouldn't ever put up with that sort of crap. Who are the leaders on Miami?

That's the problem, Incognito was the leader on this team (which may have been what you were implying). All the more reason why Martin could not fight back. If he goes up against Incognito, he not only loses that battle, but all the veterans would turn against him. Not to mention if he does anything physical to Incognito, he's off the team.

 

[phrozen]

"You have posted more than the allowed number of quoted blocks of text"

So, I will just summarize my many responses to this thread:

1) Social/emotional bullying is as, if not more, harmful than physical bullying. This has been shown time and again in the research literature on bullying

2) Lots of (implicit/explicit) condoning of bullying in this thread. Lots of victim blaming as well. Some really disgusting examples.

3) Resorting to physical violence should never be seen as the appropriate response to being bullied. No one should be put in the position that they need to expose themselves to harming or being harmed just because they are the victim of bullying. Unfortunately, because of people not recognizing #1 and because of #2, people who are bullied often feel they have no recourse but to resort to fighting back -- at which point they often face consequences (e.g., physical assault charge, being suspended/expelled from school, etc.)

4) Martin was being bullied by a GROUP of large guys with thug connections -- #3 doesn't sound so hot in that context, does it?

5) The comment about preferring the bully to the "rat" and the whole discourse around viewing whistleblowers as "rats" is just a disgusting commentary on the state of society.

6) +1 to the comments that being "a man" doesn't have to equate to pounding your chest and punching people.

Agree completely. I'd bump this post multiple times above all this other drivel.

I am not condoning anyones behavior but I stopped reading after #2 and you should have stopped after the bolded.

Not many here know both sides and/or who the actual victim is. I sure as hell ain't taking the word of a voicemail's TEXT, from April, as gospel and proof that thsi guy was bullied. If it was as bad as he states there would be a TON of proof, from a ton of people. Right now it seems like Martin just won the one man race to the hilltops. With Richie's reputation and this being a PR nightmare the Dolphons had no choice but to suspend him

there has been proof from a number of sources dating back from Incognito's high school and college days that this guy is a total ##### nozzle and has bullied people on every team he has been on. But don't let that stop your chest beating and explaining to everyone here how big of a man you are.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Bill Polian (who knows a thing or two about pro football culture) on Mike and Mike said he and Dungy had some rules. No hazing. Everyone was to be considered a professional and a teammate. To become a sum greater that the parts you cannot destroy one another. Manning, Saturday, Freeney etc. were all on board and helped enforce these rules.

But the keyboard jockeys here clearly know better than that.

You're one of those jockeys my friend. You're just on one side of the fence.

The second stuff like this happens you clowns run and pick sides than post aritcles and quotes from people who support your side than hop on your soap box. .

Here's a thought, how about actually accepting that you know nothing about the locker room culture of an NFL locker room, or any locker room. How about realizing that there's two sides of the fence. Some teams haze. Some don't. Some players are fine with it. Some arent. It's unreal in here sometimes with the amount of BS you have to read when stuff like this happens. The bottom line is that you simply don't understand. You've made that known over the past couple of pages. Just accept it and move on.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

"You have posted more than the allowed number of quoted blocks of text"

So, I will just summarize my many responses to this thread:

1) Social/emotional bullying is as, if not more, harmful than physical bullying. This has been shown time and again in the research literature on bullying

2) Lots of (implicit/explicit) condoning of bullying in this thread. Lots of victim blaming as well. Some really disgusting examples.

3) Resorting to physical violence should never be seen as the appropriate response to being bullied. No one should be put in the position that they need to expose themselves to harming or being harmed just because they are the victim of bullying. Unfortunately, because of people not recognizing #1 and because of #2, people who are bullied often feel they have no recourse but to resort to fighting back -- at which point they often face consequences (e.g., physical assault charge, being suspended/expelled from school, etc.)

4) Martin was being bullied by a GROUP of large guys with thug connections -- #3 doesn't sound so hot in that context, does it?

5) The comment about preferring the bully to the "rat" and the whole discourse around viewing whistleblowers as "rats" is just a disgusting commentary on the state of society.

6) +1 to the comments that being "a man" doesn't have to equate to pounding your chest and punching people.

Agree completely. I'd bump this post multiple times above all this other drivel.

I am not condoning anyones behavior but I stopped reading after #2 and you should have stopped after the bolded.

Not many here know both sides and/or who the actual victim is. I sure as hell ain't taking the word of a voicemail's TEXT, from April, as gospel and proof that thsi guy was bullied. If it was as bad as he states there would be a TON of proof, from a ton of people. Right now it seems like Martin just won the one man race to the hilltops. With Richie's reputation and this being a PR nightmare the Dolphons had no choice but to suspend him

there has been proof from a number of sources dating back from Incognito's high school and college days that this guy is a total ##### nozzle and has bullied people on every team he has been on. But don't let that stop your chest beating and explaining to everyone here how big of a man you are.

The first 6 words.

Thansk for perceiving me that way. It's wierd but thank you.

 

[Josh the FunkDOC]

Regarding Martin on the field, wasn't he one of the bottom 10 or 5 tackles in PFF's stats? Granted this was pretty much all with him at left tackle, maybe he could make a decent right tackle...

 

[Slapdash]

Bill Polian (who knows a thing or two about pro football culture) on Mike and Mike said he and Dungy had some rules. No hazing. Everyone was to be considered a professional and a teammate. To become a sum greater that the parts you cannot destroy one another. Manning, Saturday, Freeney etc. were all on board and helped enforce these rules.

But the keyboard jockeys here clearly know better than that.

Colts were clearly a much better run franchise than most.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

I'm kind of new to the whole story--anyone find it weird/odd that Martin still has a voicemail from April?

Nope. Honestly, if anyone ever threatened to kill me or harm a family member I'd absolutely save it and record any convo that ever took place after that. I'd be building a case from the second I got a message like that.

I think we may be reading the VM differently.

You should try reading it in English.

 

[phrozen]

"You have posted more than the allowed number of quoted blocks of text"

So, I will just summarize my many responses to this thread:

1) Social/emotional bullying is as, if not more, harmful than physical bullying. This has been shown time and again in the research literature on bullying

2) Lots of (implicit/explicit) condoning of bullying in this thread. Lots of victim blaming as well. Some really disgusting examples.

3) Resorting to physical violence should never be seen as the appropriate response to being bullied. No one should be put in the position that they need to expose themselves to harming or being harmed just because they are the victim of bullying. Unfortunately, because of people not recognizing #1 and because of #2, people who are bullied often feel they have no recourse but to resort to fighting back -- at which point they often face consequences (e.g., physical assault charge, being suspended/expelled from school, etc.)

4) Martin was being bullied by a GROUP of large guys with thug connections -- #3 doesn't sound so hot in that context, does it?

5) The comment about preferring the bully to the "rat" and the whole discourse around viewing whistleblowers as "rats" is just a disgusting commentary on the state of society.

6) +1 to the comments that being "a man" doesn't have to equate to pounding your chest and punching people.

Agree completely. I'd bump this post multiple times above all this other drivel.

I am not condoning anyones behavior but I stopped reading after #2 and you should have stopped after the bolded.

Not many here know both sides and/or who the actual victim is. I sure as hell ain't taking the word of a voicemail's TEXT, from April, as gospel and proof that thsi guy was bullied. If it was as bad as he states there would be a TON of proof, from a ton of people. Right now it seems like Martin just won the one man race to the hilltops. With Richie's reputation and this being a PR nightmare the Dolphons had no choice but to suspend him

there has been proof from a number of sources dating back from Incognito's high school and college days that this guy is a total ##### nozzle and has bullied people on every team he has been on. But don't let that stop your chest beating and explaining to everyone here how big of a man you are.

The first 6 words.

Thansk for perceiving me that way. It's wierd but thank you.

I didn't pay you a compliment a thank you is not necessary

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I'm kind of new to the whole story--anyone find it weird/odd that Martin still has a voicemail from April?

Nope. Honestly, if anyone ever threatened to kill me or harm a family member I'd absolutely save it and record any convo that ever took place after that. I'd be building a case from the second I got a message like that.

I think we may be reading the VM differently.

You should try reading it in English.

I read it with a grinI could be wrong but I read it like that. Some read it like a lunatic, which is fine as well since no one knows how it was meant. The audio would clear up a lot regarding the VM

 

[mr roboto]

Bill Polian (who knows a thing or two about pro football culture) on Mike and Mike said he and Dungy had some rules. No hazing. Everyone was to be considered a professional and a teammate. To become a sum greater that the parts you cannot destroy one another. Manning, Saturday, Freeney etc. were all on board and helped enforce these rules.

But the keyboard jockeys here clearly know better than that.

You're one of those jockeys my friend. You're just on one side of the fence.

The second stuff like this happens you clowns run and pick sides than post aritcles and quotes from people who support your side than hop on your soap box. .

Here's a thought, how about actually accepting that you know nothing about the locker room culture of an NFL locker room, or any locker room. How about realizing that there's two sides of the fence. Some teams haze. Some don't. Some players are fine with it. Some arent. It's unreal in here sometimes with the amount of BS you have to read when stuff like this happens. The bottom line is that you simply don't understand. You've made that known over the past couple of pages. Just accept it and move on.

You really are dense aren't you. I'm quoting a 6 time GM of the year. Did you play in the NFL? I 'understand' how it is in some locker rooms. I'm saying its not necessary, and like Abe said, it's not even a positive. But keep pounding caveman.

 

[Doug B]

Some teams haze. Some don't.

I think you're mistaken if you're thinking this matter is centered on Incognito "hazing" Martin. Incognito (and some other Dolphins veterans) is not in trouble for "hazing", and he won't be facing charges for "leaving derogatory text messages".

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

So Scheffter was saying this morning that there are more players/personnel who were harassed by Incognito? His relationship with Martin almost seems like a prison relationship, where the guy just makes the weaker person do everything he wants. Drive him to work, sit next to him on the plane, pay for his trips and meals, put up with abuse etc. Something weird may be going on here that is yet to come to light.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

You guys are fools if you think winning teams with real leadership put up with "locker room" behavior. I can't imagine what color the sky is on the planet where the patriots, broncos, saints, etc let stuff like this go on.

Those teams have strong leaders on them. Manning or Brady wouldn't ever put up with that sort of crap. Who are the leaders on Miami?

Excellent point

 

[Doug B]

I know a guy who is friends with a current Dolphin O-linemen. He said Martin is a p****. This was before the text message thing came out though, so not sure if that changes his opinion or not.

No one who steps between those white lines is a wuss.