Downgrade/Bench Marvin? (1 Viewer)

[TheDirtyWord]

Last year Reggie Wayne went for 10/138/3. Marvin had 5/38.

Granted DEN has Dre Bly to cover Wayne versus Darrent Williams. But still, Bailey on Harrison looks stable unless they try and mix-up who he is covering to try and confuse Manning (hey they've got to try...).

That said - seems like a bad match-up also considering their 88 passing YPG figure. OK, so it's come against Losman, McCown & Garrard. But 88 yards is 88 yards...

Anyway, who is feeling good about this match-up. At the end of the day, you don't bench Harrison.

But is this a 'I'm not saying, I'm just saying' bench your stud moment?

Discuss...

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

I hate this matchup, but Marvin is a start every week. The thing is, Marvin will have multiple TD games and it's a risk to bench him because it's hard to tell when it's coming. It's the times that you bench Marvin that he burns you...

 

[Jeff Haseley]

I almost want to start Demetrius Williams over Marvin. Last time Denver played Indy, Reggie Wayne had 3 TDs, but Harrison was pretty much blanketed. The problem is, I don't have the stones to make the change.

 

[paydrt]

I just made a trade for Harrison. I couldnt a #### who the Colts play, I play'em. The Colts play fast at home, this game is going to be a blowout.

 

[azngangster]

I would definately downgrade Marvin, but I think you have to start him because most people don't have wrs on their fantasy teams who have the potential for 150 yds receiving and 3 tds any given sunday. I don't think he will do great this week, but you never know with marvin. You just have to plug him in and wait for those multi td games. He had 4 multi td games last year, 3 in 2005, and 3 in 2004. You don't want him on your bench if he has one of those games. Must start imo but don't expect a ton of production with those nasty denver cbs.

 

[Ghost Rider]

NEVER BENCH YOUR STUDS.

Isn't that the first rule of fantasy football?

 

[pizzatyme]

I think #88 will have something to say about the Broncos 88 passing yards against to date. It's in the numbers!

In all seriousness, the Colts were at Denver last year. I expect Marvin to get a long one against the amazing Bailey. Marvin at home is $$$.

I expect to see Gonzalez to have the most catches for the Colts in this game however, and by a big margin!

Go Colts!!!

 

[Umojamon]

Normally I start Steve Smith, Reggie Wayne, and Roy Williams, but this week I'm benching Wayne in favor of Braylon Edwards. Sometimes, I think, you've just got to go against the status quo, sort of like when Admiral Halsey started Raymond Spruance at the Battle of Midway.

 

[Chewyguru]

I'm in the same boat. I'm playing 3 WR. I have Ocho, T.O., and Harrison. I am contemplating starting Brandon Marshall over Harrison, but as another poster said I don't have the stones to bench Marvin.

The guy just goes off sometimes. And it is Indy at Indy.

 

[kdun420]

Never bench Marvin. Would you be more comfortable with Dwayne Bowe, or Nate Burleson, or Mike Furrey?

 

[Linton Trust]

NEVER BENCH YOUR STUDS. Isn't that the first rule of fantasy football?

who makes these rules? and no i wouldn't bench him... the colts have plenty of options, and Baily can't cover all the Colts players and he won't be on Harrison the whole game... Bly isn't bad, but he's beatable...

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

Marvin was shut down last year and Wayne really burned them in a close game. Had they won that game, I believe they would have been in the playoffs.

Both teams are well-coached and both will adjust. I have a hard time believing they'll just try to shut down Marvin again and let Wayne get free. And I doubt the Colts are expecting to simply use Wayne all the time in this one.

I like Wayne better than Harrison this week, but the numbers should be a lot closer. I think Marvin is still probably much better than whatever most fantasy teams have on their bench.

 

[buck naked]

Normally I start Steve Smith, Reggie Wayne, and Roy Williams, but this week I'm benching Wayne in favor of Braylon Edwards. Sometimes, I think, you've just got to go against the status quo, sort of like when Admiral Halsey started Raymond Spruance at the Battle of Midway.

Mark it down. That's a huge mistake. Wayne torched Denver last year. Manning will find Wayne.

 

[-Crippler-]

Normally I start Steve Smith, Reggie Wayne, and Roy Williams, but this week I'm benching Wayne in favor of Braylon Edwards. Sometimes, I think, you've just got to go against the status quo, sort of like when Admiral Halsey started Raymond Spruance at the Battle of Midway.

You're benching Wayne? Good idea...go against all logic and bench the guy who completely lit up this same team last time they played. Great advice here.

 

[JAMMIN]

I am not sure why someone would bench Reggie or Marvin. Reggie is a #1 receiver that plays #2 corners all year long its just not fair. Marvin is going to run a nice cross pattern and Peyton will find him. Too many weapons on the Colts.

 

[Road Warriors]

Any chance that Champ covers Wayne? He may be the bigger threat on the Colts now.

 

[thayman]

Any chance that Champ covers Wayne? He may be the bigger threat on the Colts now.

If I'm not mistaken Bailey covers one side of the field. So it depends on how the Colts line up. I'm sure SSOG would know exactly.

 

[supermark_28]

The Colts seem content to run the ball and I see more of it this week. I'm sitting Marvin and starting Welker.

 

[Gravedigger]

Many are saying that you never bench your stud. Please keep in mind that Champ is a stud. There aren't many with his ability and I believe he is more likely to shut down his man than get burned by him.

Stupid things happen on Sunday, but if we're playing the odds, here's my take:

1) DEN has not got the motor running yet and will not blow Indy away. The game will likely always be in reach but JCK showed that ball control is a killer against Denver and Addai will see plenty of action. Their Rushing attack has been what INDY has been concentrating on lately. Why would that change against a team soft against the run and tough through the air?

2) DEN has played BUF, OAK, and JAX so far. Not exactly powerhouses. DEN has a solid rating against TE's but against those three teams, I don't think that means a thing. I'd bet that if INDY scores through the air, one will go to a TE.

3) If Manning throws 2-3, against a team that doesn't look likely to be ahead and which is vulnerable to ball-control, I think we are being optimisitic. If one goes to a TE, the other 1-2 will go to the guy Champ is not covering.

This is all by way of saying that, based on what we've seen THIS year from the teams, I'm betting Harrison will NOT have multi-TD's this week. He is likely to provide solid numbers and perhaps a TD, but I simply do not see him hauling in 3 TD's considering the two teams likely game-plans. For the record, I don't see Wayne doing it again this year either.

Personally, that is not enough for me to bench Harrison in favor of Cotchery (my next best). But, if you're sitting with a guy who DOES have the chance at multiple TDs and/or over 100 yards, I don't think it's a mistake to bench Harrison for him.

Anything can happen, but this game's about playing the odds (not the statitics). Odds are seriously low that Harrison goes nuts. Odds are also that he doesn't blank you. He's a safe play but not an explosive one.

 

[Keith Lewis]

The Colts seem content to run the ball and I see more of it this week. I'm sitting Marvin and starting Welker.

What channell is the game on, I thought it was on Sunday?

 

[millerarm]

Anyone who benches Marvin is welcome in my league anytime.

 

[Marc Levin]

Any chance that Champ covers Wayne? He may be the bigger threat on the Colts now.

If I'm not mistaken Bailey covers one side of the field. So it depends on how the Colts line up. I'm sure SSOG would know exactly.

Exactly - Champ lines up on the left side of the D/right side of the O - Harrison almost always (maybe always) lines up on the right side of Peyton. Plus, the team totally trusts Dre Bly on the other side. The way the Broncos allocate their D players is set in stone - but they will especially not swap champ and bly against a team with two WR1s.

 

[Sultans]

I preface my comment with I think Champ is one of the best players in the NFL period.

I would never ever ever bench Marvin Harrison at home in the dome even against the Monsters from Space Jam. Manning will be able to make sure Marvin fills out the stat sheet.

I would bench a stud, but not Harrison. For Manning to not work Marvin into a game plan would be like a fan sitting down to watch a game without scratching his nuts. The relationship is too close and practiced.

 

[Marc Levin]

would be like a fan sitting down to watch a game without scratching his nuts.

Why not just buy the unsalted variety?

 

[pizzatyme]

would be like a fan sitting down to watch a game without scratching his nuts.

Why not just buy the unsalted variety?

That almost made me spit on my screen!

 

[Marc Levin]

would be like a fan sitting down to watch a game without scratching his nuts.

Why not just buy the unsalted variety?

That almost made me spit on my screen!

In best Austin Powers: "uhthankyu"

 

[Brownsfan]

FWIW I am benching Harrison for Chambers this week. Also starting TJ Housh.

Of course last week I benched TJ for Galloway so you would think I might have learned my lesson.

 

[Marc Levin]

As a Miami Dolphin fan, I can tell you quite confidently that no Dolphin is a sure thing except that the defense will collapse inthe fourth and that TGreen will impress you with late game gargbage numbers.

Harrison, OTOH, is much more likely to at least get you a TD catch.

 

[pizzatyme]

When will people learn? Marvin Harrison is not one to be benched when playing at home and with Peyton Manning.

On the road, yes, I can see it.

At home, on the turf, Harrison has an advantage. Bailey is terrific, but so is Marvin.

Harrison wasn't shut down last year as much as Wayne was WIDE open all day!

Manning will pass to the open receiver 95% of the time. The other 5%, he is going to get the ball to his most trusted receiver in Harrison. It's that simple.

 

[protoslacker]

Anyone who benches Marvin is welcome in my league anytime.

Benched Harrison for Wes Welker. We'll see....(Welker, Randy Moss,Torry Holt)

 

[pizzatyme]

FWIW I am benching Harrison for Chambers this week. Also starting TJ Housh.Of course last week I benched TJ for Galloway so you would think I might have learned my lesson.

I just want to make sure I read this correctly. You said you are benching Marvin Harrison of the Indianapolis Colts, for Chris Chambers?Got it!

 

[Umojamon]

Normally I start Steve Smith, Reggie Wayne, and Roy Williams, but this week I'm benching Wayne in favor of Braylon Edwards. Sometimes, I think, you've just got to go against the status quo, sort of like when Admiral Halsey started Raymond Spruance at the Battle of Midway.

You're benching Wayne? Good idea...go against all logic and bench the guy who completely lit up this same team last time they played. Great advice here.

Well, since they haven't played the game yet, it remains to be seen whether or not it was a good idea. But I take exception to your contention that my decision to bench Wayne defies all logic. If playing my studs means putting up the guys who are scoring the most points over the last several weeks, then I think Edwards fits the bill. He's more than capable of putting up big numbers, too, and I think he has a good shot of doing it against a team that has allowed an average of almost 240 passing yards per game THIS YEAR. And, like another poster stated, if teams are gaining success running the ball against Denver, why challenge them through the air when they're averaging only 88 net passing yards through three games, with two passing TDs allowed? Manning is good, but he isn't an idiot. Besides, Manning has Clark, Addai, Harrison, AND Wayne. By comparison, Cleveland's best option is Braylon Edwards. Given my other options at WR, I think there's a good argument in playing Edwards over Wayne. If I had Harrison, I'd probably bench him, too.

Finally, let me note one more thing. I inputed the latest projections in the Lineup Dominator, which is always fun. Dodds said play my usual--Wayne, Williams, and Smith. The second opinion: Bench Wayne and play Edwards. It will be interesting to see who was right.

 

[pizzatyme]

Normally I start Steve Smith, Reggie Wayne, and Roy Williams, but this week I'm benching Wayne in favor of Braylon Edwards. Sometimes, I think, you've just got to go against the status quo, sort of like when Admiral Halsey started Raymond Spruance at the Battle of Midway.

You're benching Wayne? Good idea...go against all logic and bench the guy who completely lit up this same team last time they played. Great advice here.

Well, since they haven't played the game yet, it remains to be seen whether or not it was a good idea. But I take exception to your contention that my decision to bench Wayne defies all logic. If playing my studs means putting up the guys who are scoring the most points over the last several weeks, then I think Edwards fits the bill. He's more than capable of putting up big numbers, too, and I think he has a good shot of doing it against a team that has allowed an average of almost 240 passing yards per game THIS YEAR. And, like another poster stated, if teams are gaining success running the ball against Denver, why challenge them through the air when they're averaging only 88 net passing yards through three games, with two passing TDs allowed? Manning is good, but he isn't an idiot. Besides, Manning has Clark, Addai, Harrison, AND Wayne. By comparison, Cleveland's best option is Braylon Edwards. Given my other options at WR, I think there's a good argument in playing Edwards over Wayne. If I had Harrison, I'd probably bench him, too.

Finally, let me note one more thing. I inputed the latest projections in the Lineup Dominator, which is always fun. Dodds said play my usual--Wayne, Williams, and Smith. The second opinion: Bench Wayne and play Edwards. It will be interesting to see who was right.

There is more logic in benching Harrison this week than Wayne! The Broncos haven't faced an offence like the Colts this season. I am willing to bet my sig for life that the Colts secure more than double what the Broncos have given up on average through the air this season.

The Colts 176 yards passing. I'll take the over. Anyone want to bet their sig on it? I'd love to own your sig for life!

 

[TheDirtyWord]

For those touting the match-up toward Marvin due to him being on the fast track at home. Since 2004, his home/away splits:

Home: 117/1746/17

Away: 162/2102/23

 

[pizzatyme]

Harrison at home 2003 against the Broncos- 6/85/0

 

[supermark_28]

The Colts seem content to run the ball and I see more of it this week. I'm sitting Marvin and starting Welker.

What channell is the game on, I thought it was on Sunday?

I was actually looking into me crystal ball, genius. They have spell check for a reason.

 

[Ghost Rider]

NEVER BENCH YOUR STUDS. Isn't that the first rule of fantasy football?

who makes these rules?

Actually, it isn't really a rule...just common sense.

 

[murphyclc]

I have Santonio Holmes playing Arizona with Hines Ward out. Should I start him over Harrison? Driver is my other starter.

 

[pizzatyme]

I have Santonio Holmes playing Arizona with Hines Ward out. Should I start him over Harrison? Driver is my other starter.

In your situation, yes, I would start Holmes. Better to ask this in the Assistant Coaches forum, however.

 

[Umojamon]

Normally I start Steve Smith, Reggie Wayne, and Roy Williams, but this week I'm benching Wayne in favor of Braylon Edwards. Sometimes, I think, you've just got to go against the status quo, sort of like when Admiral Halsey started Raymond Spruance at the Battle of Midway.

Mark it down. That's a huge mistake. Wayne torched Denver last year. Manning will find Wayne.

You're right: Manning found Wayne--for 38 yards and a TD. Whoopee. Meanwhile, I guess everyone who played Harrison today and lost because of it can still console themselves that they played their stud. Way to go, fellas, and better luck next week.

 

[ffball-novice]

Normally I start Steve Smith, Reggie Wayne, and Roy Williams, but this week I'm benching Wayne in favor of Braylon Edwards. Sometimes, I think, you've just got to go against the status quo, sort of like when Admiral Halsey started Raymond Spruance at the Battle of Midway.

Mark it down. That's a huge mistake. Wayne torched Denver last year. Manning will find Wayne.

You're right: Manning found Wayne--for 38 yards and a TD. Whoopee. Meanwhile, I guess everyone who played Harrison today and lost because of it can still console themselves that they played their stud. Way to go, fellas, and better luck next week.

Don't you think the injury factor for Harrison (iue injured on 9th offensive play 4 of them runs) makes your sarcastic bragging seem just sort of ... well lets see what is that word ... begins with S ends with P 6 letters um ...

Nevermind, in the spirit of being excellent to each other let's use irrelelevant.

 

[EdwardCat]

I just want to say to all the people who had the balls to bench Harrison this week, good call. I didn't have the nerve to do so and I paid for it. I feel for all the people burned by Harrison this week. Let's hope it doesn't turn into something where he's out next week.

 

[Keys Myaths]

well lets see what is that word ... begins with S ends with P 6 letters um ...

S _ _ _ _ P?Seriously, I've been stuck on this for 10 minutes. Somebody help and make me feel stupid.

 

[Umojamon]

Normally I start Steve Smith, Reggie Wayne, and Roy Williams, but this week I'm benching Wayne in favor of Braylon Edwards. Sometimes, I think, you've just got to go against the status quo, sort of like when Admiral Halsey started Raymond Spruance at the Battle of Midway.

Mark it down. That's a huge mistake. Wayne torched Denver last year. Manning will find Wayne.

You're right: Manning found Wayne--for 38 yards and a TD. Whoopee. Meanwhile, I guess everyone who played Harrison today and lost because of it can still console themselves that they played their stud. Way to go, fellas, and better luck next week.

Don't you think the injury factor for Harrison (iue injured on 9th offensive play 4 of them runs) makes your sarcastic bragging seem just sort of ... well lets see what is that word ... begins with S ends with P 6 letters um ...

Nevermind, in the spirit of being excellent to each other let's use irrelelevant.

No. Just kidding. For the record, I recognize that on any given Sunday anything can happen--and it did: My other "studs," with the exception of Braylon Edwards--all sucked. If I were really a genius, I would have played Wayne and listened to the guy who wrote the "I'm benching Steve Smith because Carr is a scrub" thread.

 

[Das Boot]

well lets see what is that word ... begins with S ends with P 6 letters um ...

S _ _ _ _ P?Seriously, I've been stuck on this for 10 minutes. Somebody help and make me feel stupid.

shutup?suckup?

 

[Keys Myaths]

well lets see what is that word ... begins with S ends with P 6 letters um ...

S _ _ _ _ P?Seriously, I've been stuck on this for 10 minutes. Somebody help and make me feel stupid.

shutup?suckup?

Shutup seems the most obvious, but obviously, it's not one word.This is seriously bothering me.

 

[Das Boot]

I just want to say to all the people who had the balls to bench Harrison this week, good call. I didn't have the nerve to do so and I paid for it. I feel for all the people burned by Harrison this week. Let's hope it doesn't turn into something where he's out next week.

It always just depends on who you had to start in his place, but NEVER get caught up in the "always start your studs" fallacy.Instead always start the player you think will score the most points. Sounds simple, but relatively few people would bench Harrison for for their WR3 or WR4.Lots of signs pointed to Harrison having an avg. day at best today, the injury of course was completely unpredictable.

 

[Das Boot]

well lets see what is that word ... begins with S ends with P 6 letters um ...

S _ _ _ _ P?Seriously, I've been stuck on this for 10 minutes. Somebody help and make me feel stupid.

shutup?suckup?

Shutup seems the most obvious, but obviously, it's not one word.This is seriously bothering me.

Me too.

 

[Fantaholic]

I have Santonio Holmes playing Arizona with Hines Ward out. Should I start him over Harrison? Driver is my other starter.

Yes.