Downgrade Forte? (1 Viewer)

[Henry Ford]

Because the Bears posted 41 points on the Colts? Three games with less carries? He only played in 11. Thats more than 25% of the time. Relax.

Yes, the Bears posted 41 points on the Colts with this new offense that you claim is going to get Forte a bunch more carries.But it only got him 16 carries.I'm not sure how that makes sense.

It makes sense because you rest your franchise running back when the game is a blowout? Is that contraversial?

I don't think that was the case here. Bush had 6 carries in each half. Forte had 9 carries in the first half and 7 in the second half.

3 of Bush's carries were at the one yard line and 3 of his carries were with less than 5 minutes left and the Bears up by 20. Yet, we are sure it's a RBBC (which I don't even know the definition of). I'm going to continue to believe Forte will be in a 65/35 split until I see Bush routinely take whole possessions away from Forte during a close game.

65/35 is possible. Last year Forte got 73%.

But not in every game, of course. In fact, as you noted above, there were four games when he got less than 65% of the carries:Week 1, against AtlantaWeek 6, against MinnesotaWeek 10, against DetroitWeek 12, against OaklandWeek 1, Chicago was up by 24 going into the 4th quarter.Week 6, Chicago was up by 26 going into the 4th quarter.Week 10, Chicago was up by 31 going into the 4th quarter.Only in Week 12 was Chicago losing going into the 4th quarter. And Caleb Hanie was the QB, in his first start. And two of his three picks were passes to Forte.I don't see any of this as indicating that Forte isn't the back getting the vast majority of carries this year, just as it didn't mean that last year.

 

[zandbak]

Then why did he only have 16 carries last week? He only had three games with less carries all of last year.

It was a blowout? Short week because they play Thursday? Read the thread, maybe?

 

[JuniorNB]

Because the Bears posted 41 points on the Colts? Three games with less carries? He only played in 11. Thats more than 25% of the time. Relax.

Yes, the Bears posted 41 points on the Colts with this new offense that you claim is going to get Forte a bunch more carries.But it only got him 16 carries.I'm not sure how that makes sense.

It makes sense because you rest your franchise running back when the game is a blowout? Is that contraversial?

I don't think that was the case here. Bush had 6 carries in each half. Forte had 9 carries in the first half and 7 in the second half.

3 of Bush's carries were at the one yard line and 3 of his carries were with less than 5 minutes left and the Bears up by 20. Yet, we are sure it's a RBBC (which I don't even know the definition of). I'm going to continue to believe Forte will be in a 65/35 split until I see Bush routinely take whole possessions away from Forte during a close game.

65/35 is possible. Last year Forte got 73%.

I don't see any of this as indicating that Forte isn't the back getting the vast majority of carries this year, just as it didn't mean that last year.

Of course. Forte is a top five all-around back in the league and Bush is a career backup with the skillset of a Leroy Hoard. We all know Bush will get the 1 and 2 yard TD rushes. Forte owners knew that going in.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Because the Bears posted 41 points on the Colts? Three games with less carries? He only played in 11. Thats more than 25% of the time. Relax.

Yes, the Bears posted 41 points on the Colts with this new offense that you claim is going to get Forte a bunch more carries.But it only got him 16 carries.I'm not sure how that makes sense.

It makes sense because you rest your franchise running back when the game is a blowout? Is that contraversial?

I don't think that was the case here. Bush had 6 carries in each half. Forte had 9 carries in the first half and 7 in the second half.

3 of Bush's carries were at the one yard line and 3 of his carries were with less than 5 minutes left and the Bears up by 20. Yet, we are sure it's a RBBC (which I don't even know the definition of). I'm going to continue to believe Forte will be in a 65/35 split until I see Bush routinely take whole possessions away from Forte during a close game.

65/35 is possible. Last year Forte got 73%.

But not in every game, of course. In fact, as you noted above, there were four games when he got less than 65% of the carries:Week 1, against AtlantaWeek 6, against MinnesotaWeek 10, against DetroitWeek 12, against OaklandWeek 1, Chicago was up by 24 going into the 4th quarter.Week 6, Chicago was up by 26 going into the 4th quarter.Week 10, Chicago was up by 31 going into the 4th quarter.Only in Week 12 was Chicago losing going into the 4th quarter. And Caleb Hanie was the QB, in his first start. And two of his three picks were passes to Forte.I don't see any of this as indicating that Forte isn't the back getting the vast majority of carries this year, just as it didn't mean that last year.

I think da Bears will be even better this year, meaning they could be in this situation more like 6-8 times. Good for Bush, regardless of the % split.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Besides that, he clearly isn't on the level of Rice, ADP, MJD, Foster, DMcF, probably McCoy and CJ2K, and possibly Lynch and Gore in terms of the eye-ball test.

I think your eyeballs are broken, GB.

 

[shnikies]

Besides that, he clearly isn't on the level of Rice, ADP, MJD, Foster, DMcF, probably McCoy and CJ2K, and possibly Lynch and Gore in terms of the eye-ball test.

I think your eyeballs are broken, GB.

Luckily, optometrists can test your broken eyeballs and give you glasses to make them work again.

 

[moleculo]

Besides that, he clearly isn't on the level of Rice, ADP, MJD, Foster, DMcF, probably McCoy and CJ2K, and possibly Lynch and Gore in terms of the eye-ball test.

I think your eyeballs are broken, GB.

likely. Who do you disagree with?

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Besides that, he clearly isn't on the level of Rice, ADP, MJD, Foster, DMcF, probably McCoy and CJ2K, and possibly Lynch and Gore in terms of the eye-ball test.

I think your eyeballs are broken, GB.

likely. Who do you disagree with?

all of them.Forte is elite.

 

[shnikies]

Besides that, he clearly isn't on the level of Rice, ADP, MJD, Foster, DMcF, probably McCoy and CJ2K, and possibly Lynch and Gore in terms of the eye-ball test.

I think your eyeballs are broken, GB.

likely. Who do you disagree with?

all of them.Forte is elite.

I mean he obviously hasn't watched a lot of Forte. That's the only way you don't think he's elite. What he has done the last couple years behind an absolutely atrocious line is nothing short of incredible. He's a freak that was born with a normal set of eyes, plus one set on each side of his head and one set on the back of his head (the extra eyes can see through the helmet somehow).

 

[Kenny Powers]

Besides that, he clearly isn't on the level of Rice, ADP, MJD, Foster, DMcF, probably McCoy and CJ2K, and possibly Lynch and Gore in terms of the eye-ball test.

I think your eyeballs are broken, GB.

likely. Who do you disagree with?

all of them.Forte is elite.

I wouldnt put him over AD, DMC, and probably McCoy but saying Forte isnt better than Lynch or Gore is a slap in the face.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Besides that, he clearly isn't on the level of Rice, ADP, MJD, Foster, DMcF, probably McCoy and CJ2K, and possibly Lynch and Gore in terms of the eye-ball test.

I think your eyeballs are broken, GB.

likely. Who do you disagree with?

all of them.Forte is elite.

I wouldnt put him over AD, DMC, and probably McCoy but saying Forte isnt better than Lynch or Gore is a slap in the face.

I'm not saying he's better than all of them. I'm saying he's pretty much at the same level as most of them though.If you put Forte behind that Texans line the past couple years or used him like the Eagles do McCoy, he would be a threat for 2000 yards/year.I don't think he's at the Adrian Peterson level, but I do think he's definitely comparable to guys like Ray Rice, Chris Johnson, McFadden, and MJD.

 

[Kuz]

I own Bush but I sure hope Forte gets a 2 yard TD run tonight so this one can get up to 10 pages long..

 

[moleculo]

Besides that, he clearly isn't on the level of Rice, ADP, MJD, Foster, DMcF, probably McCoy and CJ2K, and possibly Lynch and Gore in terms of the eye-ball test.

I think your eyeballs are broken, GB.

likely. Who do you disagree with?

all of them.Forte is elite.

I wouldnt put him over AD, DMC, and probably McCoy but saying Forte isnt better than Lynch or Gore is a slap in the face.

I'm not saying he's better than all of them. I'm saying he's pretty much at the same level as most of them though.If you put Forte behind that Texans line the past couple years or used him like the Eagles do McCoy, he would be a threat for 2000 yards/year.I don't think he's at the Adrian Peterson level, but I do think he's definitely comparable to guys like Ray Rice, Chris Johnson, McFadden, and MJD.

Here's how I have it:ADP----Rice, MJD, Foster----CJ, DMcF, McCoy----Forte's tierIf you want to lump Forte's tier in with CJ, DmcF, McCoy, I won't argue too loudly. I don't like where this thread is going - you guys are making it wound like I don't like the guy - that's not true. I just don't think he's elite.

 

[Kuz]

Besides that, he clearly isn't on the level of Rice, ADP, MJD, Foster, DMcF, probably McCoy and CJ2K, and possibly Lynch and Gore in terms of the eye-ball test.

I think your eyeballs are broken, GB.

likely. Who do you disagree with?

all of them.Forte is elite.

I wouldnt put him over AD, DMC, and probably McCoy but saying Forte isnt better than Lynch or Gore is a slap in the face.

I'm not saying he's better than all of them. I'm saying he's pretty much at the same level as most of them though.If you put Forte behind that Texans line the past couple years or used him like the Eagles do McCoy, he would be a threat for 2000 yards/year.I don't think he's at the Adrian Peterson level, but I do think he's definitely comparable to guys like Ray Rice, Chris Johnson, McFadden, and MJD.

Here's how I have it:ADP----Rice, MJD, Foster----CJ, DMcF, McCoy----Forte's tierIf you want to lump Forte's tier in with CJ, DmcF, McCoy, I won't argue too loudly. I don't like where this thread is going - you guys are making it wound like I don't like the guy - that's not true. I just don't think he's elite.

I can't completely argue over what you have except for Chris Johnson. Give me Forte all day over him. Much more of a complete back IMO..

 

[doeseatplace]

Here is the breakout of carries/receptions/targets in last weeks game. I am a Bush owner, and this doesn't make me feel real good. Looks like Bush took the reps in the first drive of Q2 and Q3, but otherwise this was the Forte show except for the goal line vultures. Forte even carried the load in the second to last drive when the game was out of hand. Forte owners may have more to fear from Brandon Marshall than Michael Bush

Q1

Drive 1: CHI 16, 2 pass 1 rush: Forte 1 rush (3 and out)

Drive 2: CHI 13, 1 pass: Forte 1 tgt (pass to intercepted for TD)

Drive 3: CHI 20, 6 pass 5 rush: Forte 3 rush, 1 target; Bush 2 GL rushes (Bush TD)

Drive 4: CHI 20, 2 pass 1 rush: Bush 1 rush (3 and out)

Drive 5: CHI 5, 8 pass 3 rush: Forte 3 rush, 2 targets (Marshall TD catch after Forte runs 31 yds to the IND 3; Forte had another rush called back on penalty)

Q2

Drive 6: CHI 37, 3 pass 3 rush: Bush 3 rush (FG)

Drive 7: CHI 28, 6 pass 2 rush: Forte 1 rush, 1 target; Bush 1 GL rush (Bush TD)

Drive 8: Cutler kneel down. CHI 24-IND 14

Q3

Drive 9: CHI 45, 1 pass 3 rush: Forte 2 rush; Bush 1 rush (Forte TD. Bush gains 20 of his 42 total yds on this rush)

Drive 10: IND 10, 2 pass 1 rush: Forte 1 target (FG. Hester had the rush)

Drive 11: CHI 32, 2 pass 1 rush: Forte 1 rush (punt)

Drive 12: CHI 41, 2 pass 1 rush: Forte 1 rush (punt)

Q4

Drive 13: CHI 20, 2 pass, 5 rush: Forte 4 rush; Bush 1 rush (Jeffery TD)

Drive 14: CHI 25, 3 rush: Bush 3 rush (punt)

Drive 15: Cutler 3 kneel downs

 

[boonesfarm4me]

I own both, thanks for posting that. Forte is so valuable in ppr, a few more TDs this season would be nice.. Bush is A valuable back up, or flex. I wasn't happy about 2 TDs Bush scored but it happens..

 

[Raider Nation]

DOWNGRADE ALL BEARS!!!

 

[gethugefast1]

Matt Forte - RB - Bears

Matt Forte was sent to the locker room with an apparent right ankle injury in the third quarter of Thursday's game versus the Packers.

Forte was getting his right foot and ankle taped and appeared to be ready to go back in the game. After testing his ankle on the sidelines, he was next seen walking to the locker room with trainers. Carrying over his stellar play from Week 1, Forte had 80 of the Bears' 130 yards at the time of the injury. He's been all the Bears have on offense through two and a half quarters.

Sep 13 - 10:31 PM

 

[12punch]

keep downgrading him

 

[Lascelle]

Michael Bush will now be an RB1 going forward. Just like last season.

 

[theothervcruz]

keep downgrading him

Hopefully this injury isn't serious because I had some really good trade offers for him after his Week 1 showing and I passed.

 

[skedssays]

Curse of Michael Bush. DMC, now Forte

 

[shadyridr]

keep downgrading him

Hopefully this injury isn't serious because I had some really good trade offers for him after his Week 1 showing and I passed.

i hope so for your sake!

 

[12punch]

keep downgrading him

Hopefully this injury isn't serious because I had some really good trade offers for him after his Week 1 showing and I passed.

forte is praying for you

 

[CrazyFox]

Looking at the stats and it seemed like he was on his way to a big game before the ankle issue. Hopefully it's nothing too serious.

 

[skedssays]

St Louis next week. Glad he has a couple extra days of rest.

 

[Yolkix]

Outside of the ankle injury (hopefully not that serious) it was very clear this team badly needs Forte. Up until he went out he accounted for 80 of 120 yards of total team offense.

 

[atcdav]

Im offering CJ0K for him, even if he is out a month

 

[Yolkix]

keep downgrading him

Ankle injury didn't look too serious to me and Forte does not have any real history of missing games (played in 60 of 64 in his career). With the extended week now until their next game, its reasonable to think Forte could be back very soon. Will just need to wait and hear what the deal is.

 

[Purple_King]

Forte just rolled his ankle. Hopefully, he'll be fine for next week.

 

[Khy]

keep downgrading him

Ankle injury didn't look too serious to me and Forte does not have any real history of missing games (played in 60 of 64 in his career). With the extended week now until their next game, its reasonable to think Forte could be back very soon. Will just need to wait and hear what the deal is.

Well, had his injury last season been earlier in the year he would have missed a lot more time than he ended up missing. As for the injury I thought they said he fell over trying to make small cuts on the sideline. If that's the case that doesn't sound like something that isn't serious.

 

[flapgreen]

Downgrade the NFL.

 

[Yolkix]

keep downgrading him

Ankle injury didn't look too serious to me and Forte does not have any real history of missing games (played in 60 of 64 in his career). With the extended week now until their next game, its reasonable to think Forte could be back very soon. Will just need to wait and hear what the deal is.

Well, had his injury last season been earlier in the year he would have missed a lot more time than he ended up missing. As for the injury I thought they said he fell over trying to make small cuts on the sideline. If that's the case that doesn't sound like something that isn't serious.

not surprising to see Michael Bush on your roster.. he didn't fall over he just wasn't able to cut at full go and thus was taken back to the locker room. He got right up after the hit and was walking around under his own power with just a limp. You might get lucky and be able to start Bush for a week or two, but even so w/o a TD I don't see him as nearly the threat Forte is. He was so successful in Oakland cause they literally had nothing else going, Cutler will still be looking to throw plenty and I don't recall Bush catching any passes in this game.edit: Oh yea and btw Forte played in the pro bowl last year so clearly he couldn't have been out much longer than he was.

 

[Raider Nation]

It's pointless to speculate on how an ankle injury "looked." He could miss no time or he could miss a month.

Let's wait for more info.

 

[tonystrong]

Curse of Michael Bush. DMC, now Forte

LOL i thought the same thing

 

[12punch]

keep downgrading him

Ankle injury didn't look too serious to me and Forte does not have any real history of missing games (played in 60 of 64 in his career). With the extended week now until their next game, its reasonable to think Forte could be back very soon. Will just need to wait and hear what the deal is.

Well, had his injury last season been earlier in the year he would have missed a lot more time than he ended up missing. As for the injury I thought they said he fell over trying to make small cuts on the sideline. If that's the case that doesn't sound like something that isn't serious.

not surprising to see Michael Bush on your roster.. he didn't fall over he just wasn't able to cut at full go and thus was taken back to the locker room. He got right up after the hit and was walking around under his own power with just a limp. You might get lucky and be able to start Bush for a week or two, but even so w/o a TD I don't see him as nearly the threat Forte is. He was so successful in Oakland cause they literally had nothing else going, Cutler will still be looking to throw plenty and I don't recall Bush catching any passes in this game.

to which team?

 

[LannisterImp]

Curse of Michael Bush. DMC, now Forte

LOL i thought the same thing

Stephania Bell tweeted that Forte's mechanism of injury is indicative of a possible Lisfranc injury which is exactly what DMC had last season! Curse of Michael Bush!

 

[kegger]

Can we downgrade him now?

 

[doeseatplace]

Looking at the stats and it seemed like he was on his way to a big game before the ankle issue. Hopefully it's nothing too serious.

Yep, right on. He would have crushed tonight. Except for that first post-Forte drive, Bush was invisible. Tells me Professor Tice had scripted exactly 0 passing plays for Bush. That confirms what his role was intended to be...short yardage/goal line back and clock killer ONLY. Which is long term good news for Forte owners, assuming his injury is not serious

 

[12punch]

bush's back up is trending

 

[Warrior]

Looking at the stats and it seemed like he was on his way to a big game before the ankle issue. Hopefully it's nothing too serious.

Yep, right on. He would have crushed tonight. Except for that first post-Forte drive, Bush was invisible. Tells me Professor Tice had scripted exactly 0 passing plays for Bush. That confirms what his role was intended to be...short yardage/goal line back and clock killer ONLY. Which is long term good news for Forte owners, assuming his injury is not serious

In your dreams, man...obviously a Forte owner.Bush didn't do anything because they were already in a huge hole...not likely to rush much when you're down by multiple scores in the second half. Bush proved he could be a solid every-down back last season.

Hilarious how some Forte owners are trying to actually make this possible lis franc or sprain sound like a GOOD thing

 

[Kenny Powers]

It's pointless to speculate on how an ankle injury "looked." He could miss no time or he could miss a month.Let's wait for more info.

It honestly looked like a pretty bad ankle injury, but lets see..Loving me some Bush right now though

 

[Yolkix]

If he is seriously hurt, there really is no point taking shots at each other. It's not like it took "skill" for someone with Bush to get a lucky injury (just like Spiller), and its not like it took a "lack of skill" to draft Forte who has pretty much shown us in the little we have seen so far that he is clearly again a top 10 ppr back. Forte has also played 62 of 66 career games.. so it's not like the dude has major durability issues that were a red flag to owners. Sometimes it just comes down to luck. I own Spiller, I don't claim to have a damn crystal ball, I just drafted the dude hoping he would be a decent flex option and got "lucky" with an Fjax injury. Thus is life in fantasy football sometimes.

 

[JuniorNB]

Can we downgrade him now?

Yes, Einstein. If he's injured and can't play, you can downgrade him.

 

[renesauz]

It's pointless to speculate on how an ankle injury "looked." He could miss no time or he could miss a month.Let's wait for more info.

It honestly looked like a pretty bad ankle injury, but lets see..Loving me some Bush right now though

He walked off the field with no discernable limp. Serious ankle injuries lead to real limps. IE: There is most certainly something to base a "nothing too serious" speculation on.

 

[Bayhawks]

keep downgrading him

Ankle injury didn't look too serious to me and Forte does not have any real history of missing games (played in 60 of 64 in his career). With the extended week now until their next game, its reasonable to think Forte could be back very soon. Will just need to wait and hear what the deal is.

Well, had his injury last season been earlier in the year he would have missed a lot more time than he ended up missing. As for the injury I thought they said he fell over trying to make small cuts on the sideline. If that's the case that doesn't sound like something that isn't serious.

I don't have NFLN, so I didn't see the Thursday night game, but this statement(the bolded) isn't accurate. Forte played in the Pro Bowl game, an exhibition that players seem to try to desparately avoid if they aren't 150%. So (and I'm speculating here), it would stand to reason that if he was able to play in an exhibition game, he would have been "good to go" in a regular season game (especially if there were playoff implications) much earlier.

 

[Bayhawks]

It's pointless to speculate on how an ankle injury "looked." He could miss no time or he could miss a month.Let's wait for more info.

It honestly looked like a pretty bad ankle injury, but lets see..Loving me some Bush right now though

He walked off the field with no discernable limp. Serious ankle injuries lead to real limps. IE: There is most certainly something to base a "nothing too serious" speculation on.

Not necessarily. Again, I didn't see the game, but (if I'm not mistaken) a Lis Franc injury might not cause a "serious limp," but it might seriously inhibit a player's ability to cut/drive off the injured foot.

 

[need2know]

It's pointless to speculate on how an ankle injury "looked." He could miss no time or he could miss a month.Let's wait for more info.

It honestly looked like a pretty bad ankle injury, but lets see..Loving me some Bush right now though

He walked off the field with no discernable limp. Serious ankle injuries lead to real limps. IE: There is most certainly something to base a "nothing too serious" speculation on.

Not necessarily. Again, I didn't see the game, but (if I'm not mistaken) a Lis Franc injury might not cause a "serious limp," but it might seriously inhibit a player's ability to cut/drive off the injured foot.

DMC did not look that bad right after his injury last year. he came back and stood on the sidelines the rest of the game.... crazy bush is involved with both of these. Glad I have bush on both my major teams. About to go try and rip the forte owner a new one in a trade...

 

[flapgreen]

High ankle sprain per Shefter.

 

[zandbak]

Whew. 10 days to heal up will help.