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Draft 2010: The Running Backs (2 Viewers)

JohnnyU

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Source - Rotoworld

The 2010 running back class will produce two first-round picks at most, and no member is likely to be drafted in the top ten. However, the group is deep, jam-packed with versatility, and will especially appeal to power-running teams once C.J. Spiller is off the board.

Our 2009 draft-eligible tailback analysis went pretty well, although we should've had Iowa's Shonn Greene higher than No. 6. His history of weight fluctuation and startlingly slow 4.72 forty time scared us too much. Our No. 5-ranked back, Rashad Jennings out of Liberty, does look like he'll be a good pro for a long time. Greene, though, arguably has the brightest future of any back drafted last April. At least from a fantasy perspective.

Each year, we try to learn from our mistakes. Hopefully, this will be the best breakdown yet.

1. Ryan Mathews, Fresno State

Height/Weight: 6'0/218

College Experience: Third-year junior

Combine #s: 4.45 forty, 19 x 225, 36" vertical, 10'1" long jump, 4.33ss

Style Comparison: Terrell Davis

2009 Stats: 276 - 1,808 (6.6) - 19 Tds, 11 - 122 (11.1) - 0 Tds

Positives: The NCAA's leading rusher in 2009, Mathews beat out Lonyae Miller -- a legit pro prospect -- to be Fresno State's clear lead back for his final two years. A one-cut runner with breakaway buildup speed and a brutal stiff arm, Mathews was virtually unstoppable in Bulldogs coach Pat Hill's zone-blocking heavy, pro-style offense. Mathews is powerful and instinctive running to the inside, and offers NFL-caliber strength in the lower and upper body. He is ready to break tackles in the pros, rarely loses his balance, and fumbled just three times in college.

Negatives: Durability is a concern. Mathews suffered a concussion as a junior, and missed five games as well as parts of three others as a sophomore due to nerve damage in his knee. He has enough shake to make defenders miss, but runs with a high, upright style that leaves him susceptible to hits. Mathews caught just 19 passes in three college seasons (11 receptions in '09 was his career high) and projects as only a two-down back initially.

Outlook: Mathews will be an immediate NFL starter with the potential to make a major impact in year one. He showed smooth receiving ability in position drills at the Combine and possesses the physicality to improve as a blitz protector. Mathews does not lack upside to someday be a three-down asset. He has a higher ceiling than any draft-eligible back, and appears to be a surefire first-round pick after an outstanding offseason.

2. C.J. Spiller, Clemson

Height/Weight: 5'11/196

College Experience: Fourth-year senior

Combine #s: 4.37 forty, 18 x 225

Style Comparison: Jamaal Charles

2009 Stats: 216 - 1,212 (5.6) - 12 Tds, 36 - 503 (14.0) - 4 Tds

Positives: Exceptionally quick footed with ideal speed, Spiller scored 21 of his 52 college touchdowns from 50+ yards out. As a senior, Spiller operated as an every-down back and impressively kept track star teammate Jacoby Ford on the bench for returns. An instant impact player in the latter area, Spiller is fearless in the kicking game. He wastes no steps after hauling in kicks or punts, and accounted for nine career return TDs, including five as a senior. Tigers coach Dabo Swinney did a terrific job of getting Spiller the ball in space, but he is plenty effective on inside runs with a low, angular running style, willingness to lower his shoulder, and consistent tendency to fall forward. Spiller is a silky smooth pass receiver, possesses outstanding vision and moves, and has some of the draft's biggest hands (10 1/8"). He fumbled just twice in four years.

Negatives: Spiller had 20+ carries only five times in his college career. Though he played in 52-of-53 games at Clemson, durability is an unavoidable concern due to his size. Spiller spent just one season as a full-time player, sharing duty with Browns 2009 sixth-round pick James Davis in his first three. Rarely asked to pass protect by Swinney, Spiller is not an overly physical back. He will struggle to pick up blitzers in the pros -- at least initially -- and prefers to make defenders miss rather than run through them. Spiller is also unlikely to be an effective short-yardage runner. He suffered from turf toe as a senior, although Spiller showed toughness by playing through it.

Outlook: Not a great bet to ever be a 300-carry workhorse, Spiller's best fit would be on a team capable of pairing him with a bigger, more powerful "change of pace" complement. Still, game-breaking ability like Spiller's doesn't come around often. He won't fall out of round one.

3. Anthony Dixon, Mississippi State

Height/Weight: 6'1/233

College Experience: Fourth-year senior

Combine #s: 4.65 forty, 15 x 225, 10'1" long jump

Style Comparison: Michael Bush

2009 Stats: 257 - 1,391 (5.4) - 12 Tds, 18 - 123 (6.8) - 0 Tds

Positives: The SEC's No. 2 rusher in 2009 (behind Heisman winner Mark Ingram), Dixon finished his career as State's all-time leader in rushing, yards from scrimmage, and scoring. He never missed a game due to injury, starting 40-of-48 appearances despite a punishing running style. Dixon's most impressive trait may be his versatility. Most power backs are not adept receivers, but Dixon caught 56 passes in college. Though not a burner, Dixon squirts through the hole with plenty of burst and possesses more than enough leg drive to carry a pile. Outstanding in short-yardage/goal-line situations, Dixon scored 46 career touchdowns.

Negatives: Dixon was suspended for the 2009 season opener after an offseason DUI arrest, so character is a concern. He never averaged better than 4.4 yards per carry until his senior year, though that was most likely the result of Mississippi State's underwhelming offensive line being outmatched in the SEC. Dixon possesses little wiggle, and was often caught from behind in college. He was tried at fullback during January's Senior Bowl after reporting at 245 pounds, although Dixon got down to 233 by the Scouting Combine in late February.

Outlook: Dixon's DUI is an isolated incident, and shouldn't keep him out of round two. Shonn Greene ran 4.72 at 5'11/229 during last year's Combine and still went with the first pick in the third, so Dixon's 4.65 at 6'1/233 doesn't figure to be a deterrent. With every-down back skills, Dixon will be hard for tailback-needy teams to pass up once Spiller and Mathews are gone.

4. Jonathan Dwyer, Georgia Tech

Height/Weight: 5'11/229

College Experience: Third-year junior

Combine #s: 4.59 forty, 15 x 225, 8'11" long jump

Style Comparison: Michael Turner

2009 Stats: 235 - 1,395 (5.9) - 14 Tds, 5 - 37 (7.4) - 0 Tds

Positives: The 2008 ACC Offensive Player of the Year (he lost out to Spiller in '09), Dwyer is a power back with exceptional tackle-breaking ability. While his 4.5-4.6 forty seems pedestrian, it is adequate at his size. Dwyer also often ran away from defensive backs in college, indicating he plays faster than his stopwatch speed. Dwyer consistently keeps his feet moving in the hole, is no match for arm tackles, and runs with impressive balance at a 45-degree angle. While he could afford to get stronger in the upper torso, Dwyer's lower half is built for destruction. Still just 20 years old, Dwyer is the youngest running back on this list. He was durable throughout college.

Negatives: Transitioning from the "B-back" in Tech's triple option, Dwyer may need time to adjust to a pro system. His vision and instincts are especially hard to gauge because Dwyer lined up just three yards off the line of scrimmage under Paul Johnson. He'll setup seven yards off in the pros. Dwyer also has a history of weight fluctuation. He reported for the Yellow Jackets' 2009 offseason 15 pounds overweight, which may explain his sizable drop in yards-per-carry average between his sophomore and junior seasons (7.0 to 5.9). Dwyer caught just 15 passes in 40 career games and was never asked to pick up blitzes. He won't make anyone miss in the pros, and has abnormally small hands at 8 5/8".

Outlook: Recent reports have Dwyer potentially lasting until the third round because he offers no versatility and carries some red flags. While he may never be more than a two-down thumper, Dwyer would be a steal in round three for a power-based rushing attack.

5. Jahvid Best, California

Height/Weight: 5'10/199

College Experience: Third-year junior

Combine #s: 4.35 forty, 18 x 225, 9'3" long jump, 4.17ss

Style Comparison: Felix Jones

2009 Stats: 141 - 867 (6.1) - 12 Tds, 22 - 213 (9.7) - 4 Tds

Positives: This draft's purest homerun hitter, Best left college as Cal's all-time leader in yards-per-carry average (7.3), and set the single-season school record with a scintillating 8.1 YPC in his career-best sophomore year. A true track champ, Best won the 100-meter dash in the state of California as a prep senior and gold medaled in the 200 at the '05 Junior Olympics. At Cal, Best generated 50 plays from scrimmage of 20+ yards, finished second nationally in all-purpose yardage behind only Jeremy Maclin in 2008, and exhibited ideal one-cut ability in the Bears' zone-blocking scheme. Best's combination of acceleration, premier top-end speed, ankle-breaking moves, and quick feet is sensational. He caught 62 passes in college and lost just one fumble in 2009.

Negatives: Best is considered an injury risk due to the concussion that cost him the final four games of his college career, but he's been brittle dating back much further. The 21-year-old underwent hip surgery during the offseason following his freshman year, elbow and foot surgeries after his sophomore season, and suffered a back sprain on the same November 7 play that he was concussed as a junior. In other words, this is the only offseason in which Best hasn't needed an operation of some sort since high school. Best also rarely played on passing downs for Cal coach Jeff Tedford and has no experience picking up the blitz. Nor is he a tackle breaker.

Outlook: After leaving school early, Best received mixed feedback from the NFL Draft Advisory Committee, which projected him anywhere from the first to third round. Regardless, Best projects as no more than the lesser, if more explosive half of a committee with return potential. The early- to mid-second round is Best's most likely landing spot.

6. Toby Gerhart, Stanford

Height/Weight: 6'0/231

College Experience: Fourth-year senior

Combine #s: 4.53 forty, 22 x 225, 38" vertical, 9'10" long jump, 4.25ss

Style Comparison: Cedric Benson

2009 Stats: 343 - 1,871 (5.5) - 28 Tds, 11 - 157 (14.3) - 0 Tds

Positives/Negatives: Gerhart's "athleticism" has been criticized in some circles, and the notion is perplexing. Our sense of reality is out truly of whack if we're questioning the athletic ability of a 105-game starting outfielder for College World Series-qualifying Stanford baseball and the 2009 Pac Ten Player of the Year in football. The real "question mark" for Gerhart is whether he can make NFL defenders miss. He probably can't, but that isn't his game anyway. Gerhart is a hard-charging, no-frills runner with experience in a pro-style system. He will be able to run through and away from most NFL linebackers. Gerhart was rarely used in coach Jim Harbaugh's passing game (11 catches in '09) and tore his ACL in 2007, but exhibited soft hands in Combine drills and is clearly recovered from the knee injury. Gerhart finished second nationally in rushing last season.

Outlook: Craig James, in 1985, was the last white running back to rush for 1,000 yards. Assuming he stays healthy, Gerhart will be next. While he may only be a two-down player initially, Gerhart is worthy of a second-round pick and has the potential to be a long-term franchise back.

7. Joe McKnight, USC

Height/Weight: 5'11/198

College Experience: Third-year junior

Combine #s: 4.47 forty, 18 x 225, 36.5" vertical, 10'8" long jump

Style Comparison: Jerious Norwood

2009 Stats: 164 - 1,014 (6.2) - 8 Tds, 22 - 146 (6.6) - 0 Tds

Positives/Negatives: Billed as USC's "next Reggie Bush" and the nation's No. 1 overall recruit in 2007, McKnight didn't meet expectations until his final year in college. As a junior, he took over as Pete Carroll's featured back and went on to lead an extremely talented RB corps in all rushing categories. Versatility being his most appealing trait, McKnight finished his three-year career with 65 receptions. He has run-to-daylight speed, terrific quickness, missed just two games due to injury in college, and learned to pass block in USC's pro-style scheme. However, McKnight runs with little power, won't push the pile, and has a history of ball security issues.

Outlook: His profile is eerily similar to Lorenzo Booker's coming out, but McKnight has upside to grow into one of the game's top third-down backs because of his value in the passing game. He'd be an excellent fit for a team like the Vikings, Steelers, or Rams in round three.

8. Montario Hardesty, Tennessee

Height/Weight: 6'0/225

College Experience: Fifth-year senior

Combine #s: 4.49 forty, 21 x 225, 41" vertical, 10'4" long jump

Style Comparison: Matt Forte

2008 Stats*: 282 - 1,345 (4.8) - 13 Tds, 25 - 302 (12.1) - 1 Td

Positives/Negatives: Hardesty was a late bloomer at UT. After tearing his ACL as a true freshman, he battled nagging injuries throughout his sophomore and junior years before exploding in Lane Kiffin's zone-blocking scheme. Holding off monster recruit Bryce Brown to be the Vols' every-down back, Hardesty posted career highs in all categories en route to second-team All-SEC honors. A one-cut runner with surprising quickness for 225 pounds, Hardesty isn't a bruiser like Dixon or Dwyer, but is a better bet to make defenders miss, offers top-notch versatility, and has shown the ability to carry a full load in a pro-style system. He possesses excellent vision, and runs behind his pads. Hardesty never lost a fumble in college and is a high-character person.

Outlook: Hardesty is polished enough to start right away for a team desperate at the position, and likely could prove serviceable in a productive offense. He isn't a difference-making talent, however, and possesses one of the lower "ceilings" among this year's top 8-10 backs. Long term, he'll likely settle in as a No. 2 or the lesser half of a two-man committee.

9. Dexter McCluster, Ole Miss

Height/Weight: 5'9/172

College Experience: Fourth-year senior

Combine #s: 4.58 forty, 20 x 225, 37.5" vertical, 9'10" long jump, 4.06ss

Style Comparison: Leon Washington

2009 Stats: 181 - 1,169 (6.5) - 8 Tds, 44 - 520 (11.8) - 3 Tds

Positives/Negatives: Second in Ole Miss history to only Deuce McAllister in all-purpose yards, McCluster was arguably the nation's most versatile non-gimmick skill player a year ago. McCluster lined up frequently in the slot in passing situations, and carried the load from the Rebels' I-back position on early downs. For his career, McCluster amassed 130 receptions (the most on this list) to go with a 6.4 yards-per-carry average. He is an intelligent, versatile back with the obvious will to get better. However, McCluster is extremely undersized, was highly injury prone early in his college career, and has kicker-sized hands at 8 3/8", creating concern about his ball security. McCluster has ideal quickness in a short area, but has lost speed since adding weight to his frame since season's end.

Outlook: At 5-foot-9 and less than 175 pounds, McCluster seems to have already "maxed out" as a running back/slot receiver, and has little history of helping in the return game. McCluster was a dynamic college playmaker, but is he Amp Lee or Warrick Dunn? More than any back here, McCluster's NFL value will be determined by the creativity his team shows in using him. He could struggle to get on the field in a conservative offense.

10. James Starks, Buffalo

Height/Weight: 6'2/218

College Experience: Fifth-year senior

Combine #s: 4.50 forty, 15 x 225, 36" vertical, 9'11" long jump, 4.23ss

Style Comparison: Fred Jackson

2008 Stats*: 272 - 1,333 (4.9) - 16 Tds, 52 - 361 (6.9) - 1 Td

Positives/Negatives: Starks missed his entire senior season due to surgery on both shoulders. He also never averaged over 5.0 yards per carry in a college season, although the Bulls aren't exactly an NFL factory for offensive linemen. Still leaving school as Buffalo's all-time leading rusher, Starks served as the every-down back in Turner Gill's hybrid spread/I-formation offense, finishing his career with an impressive 127 catches and 39 touchdowns in three seasons. Starks is a long-striding runner, but has the speed to take it the distance, is naturally an outstanding athlete, and proved at the Combine that he is 100 percent. Though he is not overly physical, Starks is quick enough to make defenders miss, and was clearly a player on the rise before his injuries.

Outlook: Starks, who played high school basketball with NBA lottery pick Jonny Flynn, presents boom-or-bust risk because of his surgically repaired shoulders, inexperience in a pro-style offense, and lack of bulldozing power at 6'2/218. However, he is a competitive, fun-to-watch back with difference-making physical tools. He may need a few years to fully develop, but should be available in the mid to late rounds and could pay long-term dividends for a patient franchise.

11. LeGarrette Blount, Oregon - 6'0/241 with 4.62 speed ... 17 Tds and 1,002 yards (7.3 YPC) as a junior before being suspended for most of 2009 due to "The Punch" ... Just 4 career receptions at Oregon ... Two-down banger willing to deliver a blow -- during the game, too.

12. Deji Karim, Southern Illinois - Missed all of 2008 due to torn patellar tendon in knee ... Returned in '09 to earn Missouri Valley Conference Player of the Year, averaging 7.1 YPC with 19 all-purpose touchdowns ... 5'9/210-pounder ran sub-4.4 at his Pro Day.

13. Ben Tate, Auburn - 4.43 forty time, though doesn't play as fast ... SEC's No. 3 rusher in 2009, behind only Heisman winner Mark Ingram and Montario Hardesty ... May get overdrafted based on huge Combine ... Considered one of draft's best in blitz pickup.

14. Dimitri Nance, Arizona State - Bowling ball-built 5'9/225-pounder caught 63 passes in college ... Physical, between-the-tackles type without homerun speed ... Played behind Ryan Torain early in his career ... Career yards-per-carry average of just 4.0.

15. Joique Bell, Wayne State - 2009 Harlon Hill Trophy winner scored 100 Tds in 44 career games ... Lacks speed (4.68), quicks to be more than a long-term NFL No. 2 back ... Failed to impress at Senior Bowl ... Over 1,000 college carries, so lots of wear on his tires.

Other RBs on the NFL Draft radar - LaMarcus Coker (Hampton), Charles Scott and Keiland Williams (LSU), Stafon Johnson (USC), Shawnbrey McNeal (SMU), Darius Marshall (Marshall), Pat Paschall (North Dakota State), Brandon Minor (Michigan), Javarris James (Miami), Michael Smith (Arkansas), Andre Dixon (UConn), Roy Upchurch (Alabama), Keith Toston (Oklahoma State), Chris Brown (Oklahoma), Andre Anderson (Tulane), Brandon James (Florida)
 
Dixon at 3 is interesting, can't wait to see where he lands. And hardesty is one of my personal caves, I think he'll be a steal.

 
Dixon at 3 is interesting, can't wait to see where he lands. And hardesty is one of my personal caves, I think he'll be a steal.
I like Hardesty also and I'm a little shocked he is below Mcknight and Gerhart because I think Hardesty has a better chance of being a 3 down rb.
 
Dixon at 3 is interesting, can't wait to see where he lands. And hardesty is one of my personal caves, I think he'll be a steal.
I like Hardesty also and I'm a little shocked he is below Mcknight and Gerhart because I think Hardesty has a better chance of being a 3 down rb.
I agree. I think Silva is missing the boat on Hardesty. No way he should be below McKnight and Gerhart.
 
Dixon at 3 is interesting, can't wait to see where he lands. And hardesty is one of my personal caves, I think he'll be a steal.
I like Hardesty also and I'm a little shocked he is below Mcknight and Gerhart because I think Hardesty has a better chance of being a 3 down rb.
Agreed. Hardesty is in my top 5, above Dwyer. I really like his all around skills.
 
There are a couple of RBs that have my curiosity peaked, but I don't see a lot of big time RBs this year, not at all. In fact I feel this is a very weak class of RBs coming out.

 
I'm still not understanding the lack of love for Ben Tate. He's not in my top 5, but he's not 13th either. It's a deep draft for RBs, but not that deep.

 
12 team ppr 2rb 3wr dynasty

To me this looks like a functional rb draft not a star draft, but I like the depth...Cj is the big potential star but I see R Bush jr, so I'm not interested.

I can see multiple teams choosing their new starting RB this year Houston, SD, Detroit, NE, Seattle. I have 1.1 1.04 1.11 2.01....Im thinking D Bryant 1.01 and 2-3 of those Rbs (maybe a qb or wr if I can only get 2) from 1.04, 1.11, 2.01...To me the rb's I'd like to see on these teams are...mathews, hardesty, dwyer, tate, and dixon.

Thoughts?

 
I can see multiple teams choosing their new starting RB this year Houston, SD, Detroit, NE, Seattle. I have 1.1 1.04 1.11 2.01....Im thinking D Bryant 1.01 and 2-3 of those Rbs (maybe a qb or wr if I can only get 2) from 1.04, 1.11, 2.01...To me the rb's I'd like to see on these teams are...mathews, hardesty, dwyer, tate, and dixon.Thoughts?
No advice, but please keep us posted. Start a new thread if you have to
 
There are a couple of RBs that have my curiosity peaked, but I don't see a lot of big time RBs this year, not at all. In fact I feel this is a very weak class of RBs coming out.
I agree with you. I don't think it's much different than last year. Beanie <> Matthews [big fan of both]Greene <> Dwyer [Greene's in the spotlight now. I think Dwyer's in the spotlight long before Greene's age].Spiller > MorenoBest > McCoy [i'd take Best's game changing talent over a replaceable talent in McCoy.]I like the 2ndary guys {Dixon/Gerhart/Hardesty/McCluster/McKnight/Blount) more than last year's crop.
 
12 team ppr 2rb 3wr dynastyTo me this looks like a functional rb draft not a star draft, but I like the depth...Cj is the big potential star but I see R Bush jr, so I'm not interested.I can see multiple teams choosing their new starting RB this year Houston, SD, Detroit, NE, Seattle. I have 1.1 1.04 1.11 2.01....Im thinking D Bryant 1.01 and 2-3 of those Rbs (maybe a qb or wr if I can only get 2) from 1.04, 1.11, 2.01...To me the rb's I'd like to see on these teams are...mathews, hardesty, dwyer, tate, and dixon.Thoughts?
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I think Spiller is a couple slots too high and Gerhart a couple too low. Other than that it looks about right to me. I have been pimping Dixon at the 3-4 mark, but if too many other pundits jump on the bandwagon I won't be able to get him in the mid-late first this year. :cry:

 
I think Spiller is a couple slots too high and Gerhart a couple too low. Other than that it looks about right to me. I have been pimping Dixon at the 3-4 mark, but if too many other pundits jump on the bandwagon I won't be able to get him in the mid-late first this year. :cry:
I know this isn't PC, but when was the last time a white RB (not a FB) was relevant?
 
I think Spiller is a couple slots too high and Gerhart a couple too low. Other than that it looks about right to me. I have been pimping Dixon at the 3-4 mark, but if too many other pundits jump on the bandwagon I won't be able to get him in the mid-late first this year. :cry:
I know this isn't PC, but when was the last time a white RB (not a FB) was relevant?
Probably the last time a white RB was talented enough to play in the NFL and had the measureables. Of course, if a player has the talent and measureables to play, it really doesn't matter what color his skin is. If you're asking why there aren't many white RBs that possess the talent and skill to play in the NFL, that's one thing. If you're asking if Gerhart can due well just because his skin is lighter, then that's ridiculous.

 
I think Spiller is a couple slots too high and Gerhart a couple too low. Other than that it looks about right to me. I have been pimping Dixon at the 3-4 mark, but if too many other pundits jump on the bandwagon I won't be able to get him in the mid-late first this year. :lmao:
I know this isn't PC, but when was the last time a white RB (not a FB) was relevant?
Probably the last time a white RB was talented enough to play in the NFL and had the measureables. Of course, if a player has the talent and measureables to play, it really doesn't matter what color his skin is. If you're asking why there aren't many white RBs that possess the talent and skill to play in the NFL, that's one thing. If you're asking if Gerhart can due well just because his skin is lighter, then that's ridiculous.
No reason to try and read extra into the question. It's a simple question.

 
I think Spiller is a couple slots too high and Gerhart a couple too low. Other than that it looks about right to me. I have been pimping Dixon at the 3-4 mark, but if too many other pundits jump on the bandwagon I won't be able to get him in the mid-late first this year. :lmao:
I know this isn't PC, but when was the last time a white RB (not a FB) was relevant?
Probably the last time a white RB was talented enough to play in the NFL and had the measureables. Of course, if a player has the talent and measureables to play, it really doesn't matter what color his skin is. If you're asking why there aren't many white RBs that possess the talent and skill to play in the NFL, that's one thing. If you're asking if Gerhart can due well just because his skin is lighter, then that's ridiculous.
No reason to try and read extra into the question. It's a simple question.
OK, I'll play along. :thumbup:

I don't know, when was the last time a white tailback was relevant? Craig James, maybe?

Why do you ask?

 
I think Spiller is a couple slots too high and Gerhart a couple too low. Other than that it looks about right to me. I have been pimping Dixon at the 3-4 mark, but if too many other pundits jump on the bandwagon I won't be able to get him in the mid-late first this year. :censored:
I know this isn't PC, but when was the last time a white RB (not a FB) was relevant?
Probably the last time a white RB was talented enough to play in the NFL and had the measureables. Of course, if a player has the talent and measureables to play, it really doesn't matter what color his skin is. If you're asking why there aren't many white RBs that possess the talent and skill to play in the NFL, that's one thing. If you're asking if Gerhart can due well just because his skin is lighter, then that's ridiculous.
No reason to try and read extra into the question. It's a simple question.
Just a guess, but maybe since the time when a white RB finished in the top 3 of the Heisman? Not sure when that was though. Don't look too hard, it was 37 years ago. Craig James busted 1000 25 years ago. Alstott had 71 career TDs (that's a damn big number).

My guess is his career numbers will look like this: 4200 rush 3.9 per carry 29 TDs, 1328 rec 6 TDs. Nothing fancy, but a nice NFL career. Better than most NFL RBs.

 
I think Spiller is a couple slots too high and Gerhart a couple too low. Other than that it looks about right to me. I have been pimping Dixon at the 3-4 mark, but if too many other pundits jump on the bandwagon I won't be able to get him in the mid-late first this year. :(
I know this isn't PC, but when was the last time a white RB (not a FB) was relevant?
Probably the last time a white RB was talented enough to play in the NFL and had the measureables. Of course, if a player has the talent and measureables to play, it really doesn't matter what color his skin is. If you're asking why there aren't many white RBs that possess the talent and skill to play in the NFL, that's one thing. If you're asking if Gerhart can due well just because his skin is lighter, then that's ridiculous.
No reason to try and read extra into the question. It's a simple question.
Just a guess, but maybe since the time when a white RB finished in the top 3 of the Heisman? Not sure when that was though. Don't look too hard, it was 37 years ago. Craig James busted 1000 25 years ago. Alstott had 71 career TDs (that's a damn big number).

My guess is his career numbers will look like this: 4200 rush 3.9 per carry 29 TDs, 1328 rec 6 TDs. Nothing fancy, but a nice NFL career. Better than most NFL RBs.
So your saying you think he will be a below average backup?
 
To get this thing back on track.....at least they have the right player at #1 :excited:
While I still would take Spiller #1 not knowing the situation they land in, I'm with you. Mathews is easily my #2 and he has been for some time now. Should he land in SD/Hou and Spiller somewhere he won't be the main guy (SF for example), I'd definitely flip them.
 
JamesTheScot said:
JohnnyU said:
gianmarco said:
JohnnyU said:
thevidon said:
I think Spiller is a couple slots too high and Gerhart a couple too low. Other than that it looks about right to me. I have been pimping Dixon at the 3-4 mark, but if too many other pundits jump on the bandwagon I won't be able to get him in the mid-late first this year. :thumbup:
I know this isn't PC, but when was the last time a white RB (not a FB) was relevant?
Probably the last time a white RB was talented enough to play in the NFL and had the measureables. Of course, if a player has the talent and measureables to play, it really doesn't matter what color his skin is. If you're asking why there aren't many white RBs that possess the talent and skill to play in the NFL, that's one thing. If you're asking if Gerhart can due well just because his skin is lighter, then that's ridiculous.
No reason to try and read extra into the question. It's a simple question.
OK, I'll play along. :thumbdown:

I don't know, when was the last time a white tailback was relevant? Craig James, maybe?

Why do you ask?
Why do I ask you say rolleyes? Unless Gerhart is a once in a half-centrury white RB it's a very important question when considering him a top RB in this draft, because it's not like they're rolling off the assembly line.
 
Why do I ask you say rolleyes? Unless Gerhart is a once in a half-centrury white RB it's a very important question when considering him a top RB in this draft, because it's not like they're rolling off the assembly line.
That's the same logic that put Warren Moon in Canada. MJD is a rare RB because of his height. Jerome Bettis was a rare RB because of his size. See that? They are rare because height and size actually have some baring on their athletic performance as a RB in the NFL. Going down this path with Gerhart will of course lead to the question of does race have any effect on performance as an RB. Which is I assume what you are implying. Which is of course silly.His speed, explosion, fitness, ability to cut and read the hole, pick up a blitz, catch a pass, etc, etc, etc will determine how successful he is in the NFL. At no point in time will the color of his skin help or hinder his play on the field. Grade the RB, not the race.
 
Why do I ask you say rolleyes? Unless Gerhart is a once in a half-centrury white RB it's a very important question when considering him a top RB in this draft, because it's not like they're rolling off the assembly line.
That's the same logic that put Warren Moon in Canada. MJD is a rare RB because of his height. Jerome Bettis was a rare RB because of his size. See that? They are rare because height and size actually have some baring on their athletic performance as a RB in the NFL. Going down this path with Gerhart will of course lead to the question of does race have any effect on performance as an RB. Which is I assume what you are implying. Which is of course silly.His speed, explosion, fitness, ability to cut and read the hole, pick up a blitz, catch a pass, etc, etc, etc will determine how successful he is in the NFL. At no point in time will the color of his skin help or hinder his play on the field. Grade the RB, not the race.
Why hasn't there been any relevant white RBs since John Riggins? Are you telling me that Gerhart is the only one worth mentioning since Riggins? If so, then why is that? Will Gerhart get a fair chance to be a featured RB? I hope Gerhart becomes a stud RB.
 
Why do I ask you say rolleyes? Unless Gerhart is a once in a half-centrury white RB it's a very important question when considering him a top RB in this draft, because it's not like they're rolling off the assembly line.
That's the same logic that put Warren Moon in Canada. MJD is a rare RB because of his height. Jerome Bettis was a rare RB because of his size. See that? They are rare because height and size actually have some baring on their athletic performance as a RB in the NFL. Going down this path with Gerhart will of course lead to the question of does race have any effect on performance as an RB. Which is I assume what you are implying. Which is of course silly.His speed, explosion, fitness, ability to cut and read the hole, pick up a blitz, catch a pass, etc, etc, etc will determine how successful he is in the NFL. At no point in time will the color of his skin help or hinder his play on the field. Grade the RB, not the race.
Why hasn't there been any relevant white RBs since John Riggins? Are you telling me that Gerhart is the only one worth mentioning since Riggins? If so, then why is that? Will Gerhart get a fair chance to be a featured RB? I hope Gerhart becomes a stud RB.
Which white RB dominated while playing in a major conference during that time? I don't think white RBs have been singled, out just have not been good enough. Is Gerhart good enough? I think so, but we'll see.Also Peyton Hillis looked very good as a rookie in Denver before getting hurt, and I think he'll play real well in Cleveland this year.
 
Gerhart went 23/101/1 vs USC in 2008. That team featured Clay Matthews, Rey Maualuga, and Brian Cushing. Cushing and Matthews played in the pro bowl this past season.

This year Gerhart took it to USC for 29/178/3.

Pretty good performances against NFL caliber talent.

 
Gerhart went 23/101/1 vs USC in 2008. That team featured Clay Matthews, Rey Maualuga, and Brian Cushing. Cushing and Matthews played in the pro bowl this past season. This year Gerhart took it to USC for 29/178/3. Pretty good performances against NFL caliber talent.
I have that game on DVD and it's an outstanding performance, trucking over Maualuga and USC. I asked him about it when I interviewed him before the heisman presentation, and he just laughed and said "I just love to compete."Gerhart's running style reminds me of Jerome Bettis because he's so light on his feet for a big man.
 
Why do I ask you say rolleyes? Unless Gerhart is a once in a half-centrury white RB it's a very important question when considering him a top RB in this draft, because it's not like they're rolling off the assembly line.
That's the same logic that put Warren Moon in Canada. MJD is a rare RB because of his height. Jerome Bettis was a rare RB because of his size. See that? They are rare because height and size actually have some baring on their athletic performance as a RB in the NFL. Going down this path with Gerhart will of course lead to the question of does race have any effect on performance as an RB. Which is I assume what you are implying. Which is of course silly.His speed, explosion, fitness, ability to cut and read the hole, pick up a blitz, catch a pass, etc, etc, etc will determine how successful he is in the NFL. At no point in time will the color of his skin help or hinder his play on the field. Grade the RB, not the race.
Moon's situation vs. Gerhardt's are not even remotely comparable. Moon, and almost all other black QBs around that time, weren't given the opportnity to play QB due to racism, not based on their abilities or lack thereof. Gerhardt, and any other white RBs of any era, are given an equal opportunity to compete for a RB spot in the NFL. But to be quite frank and honest, NFL feature RBs, and I'll even extend it to CBs, are almost exclusively black. And its not based on racism, more of an environmental and socio-economic condition that allows for more blacks to develop the best-fit skill sets for these positions......The numbers don't lie......
 
Why hasn't there been any relevant white RBs since John Riggins?
Because athletic white players are more likely to be guided towards positions like QB and LB, while athletic black players are more likely to be guided towards positions like RB and WR, as far back as Pop Warner. Plus there are a larger range of sports available to athletes in wealthier, predominantly white communities, so athletes from those communities are more likely to wind up becoming bicyclists (or whatever) instead of football players. When is the last time there was a relevant black bicyclist? (probably Major Taylor).All of which says nothing about Gerhart's prospects.
 
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lets not ruin this thread talking about race, it is meaningless

Dmitri Nance seems to be a guy that is a few top 15 rankings, but not in the top 30 in others. What's the deal with him? Does he have any potential? I haven't hear a lot about him

 
lets not ruin this thread talking about race, it is meaninglessDmitri Nance seems to be a guy that is a few top 15 rankings, but not in the top 30 in others. What's the deal with him? Does he have any potential? I haven't hear a lot about him
I love Nance for what he is - a power back. He's got a low center of gravity and has a good initial burst. He doesn't need a hole to pick up considerable yardage, and keeps his legs churning after contact.
 
Why do I ask you say rolleyes? Unless Gerhart is a once in a half-centrury white RB it's a very important question when considering him a top RB in this draft, because it's not like they're rolling off the assembly line.
That's the same logic that put Warren Moon in Canada. MJD is a rare RB because of his height. Jerome Bettis was a rare RB because of his size. See that? They are rare because height and size actually have some baring on their athletic performance as a RB in the NFL. Going down this path with Gerhart will of course lead to the question of does race have any effect on performance as an RB. Which is I assume what you are implying. Which is of course silly.His speed, explosion, fitness, ability to cut and read the hole, pick up a blitz, catch a pass, etc, etc, etc will determine how successful he is in the NFL. At no point in time will the color of his skin help or hinder his play on the field. Grade the RB, not the race.
Moon's situation vs. Gerhardt's are not even remotely comparable. Moon, and almost all other black QBs around that time, weren't given the opportnity to play QB due to racism, not based on their abilities or lack thereof. Gerhardt, and any other white RBs of any era, are given an equal opportunity to compete for a RB spot in the NFL. But to be quite frank and honest, NFL feature RBs, and I'll even extend it to CBs, are almost exclusively black. And its not based on racism, more of an environmental and socio-economic condition that allows for more blacks to develop the best-fit skill sets for these positions......The numbers don't lie......
:goodposting: But not the whole story. It's almost as ludicrous to say there's no differance between races as it is to use race as any kind of predicator of talent or ability, in any field.Choosing between two men, one white and one black, knowing NOTHING about them, and seeing near identical size, I would guess the black man is a better running back. That's not racism, it's an educated guess based on limited info.Johnny's being unreasonable in that we have info...it isn't limited...but he's correct in his more general statement that white people have typically lagged beyond black folks as RB's.

 
Why hasn't there been any relevant white RBs since John Riggins?
Because athletic white players are more likely to be guided towards positions like QB and LB, while athletic black players are more likely to be guided towards positions like RB and WR, as far back as Pop Warner. Plus there are a larger range of sports available to athletes in wealthier, predominantly white communities, so athletes from those communities are more likely to wind up becoming bicyclists (or whatever) instead of football players. When is the last time there was a relevant black bicyclist? (probably Major Taylor).All of which says nothing about Gerhart's prospects.
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Personally if I had top rookie pick, I'd rank them

1. Mathews

2. Hardesty

3. Spiller

4. Dwyer

5. Gerhart

6. Dixon

7. Best

 
Here is how I rank the incoming RBs:

1. Whoever goes to SD

2. Whoever goes to Hou

31. Seattle RB

32. Cleveland RB

As a side note I'd suspect that Gerhart will lead all rookie RBs in jersey sales.

 
Here is how I rank the incoming RBs:1. Whoever goes to SD2. Whoever goes to Hou31. Seattle RB32. Cleveland RBAs a side note I'd suspect that Gerhart will lead all rookie RBs in jersey sales.
Talent > situation, just ask Kevin Smith (before injury), Steve Slaton, and Matt Forte. I also have my doubts about LeSean McCoy.
 
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Personally if I had top rookie pick, I'd rank them1. Mathews2. Hardesty3. Spiller4. Dwyer5. Gerhart6. Dixon7. Best
Now that is making a bold stance with Hardesty....reasoning?
Well, I have him over Spiller because I don't believe Spiller is a full-time back. I think he'll be another Felix Jones type of guy. A better Jerious Norwood. I have him over Dwyer because I think Dwyer is benefiting from the highly publicized playoff exploits of Shonn Greene. When I watch Dwyer run, he looks like he's got legs made of lead. Not quick enough to succeed. At best he becomes Mike Alstott. So it comes down to Gerhart and Hardesty for the two spot. I don't think Gerhart is a better prospect than Hardesty. Hardesty just seems to be very well rounded and he has a nice top gear. For fantasy purposes, I just think Hardesty has the skill set to excel.
 
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What are your opinions on Ben Tate? I'm very surprised he's not ranked higher on a lot of these running back draft lists. Considering Auburn is known as "Running Back U", running backs that have had 3000+ college rushing yards at that U have had at least a 1000 yd season in their NFL career.

He also runs at 4.43 at 220 lb which is impressive. I believe he has the highest "speed score" of all the running backs in this years draft. He's also shown he can handle a season carrying large # of carries with 260+. The same can't be said about CJ Spiller/Best.

How does Ben Tate's prospects compare with Stephen Davis? Don't they have similar running styles?

 
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Would anyone care to enlighten me by contrasting these SEC running backs? Since I didn't see them in action much this past year, please help me distinguish because to be honest they look rather similar.

Dixon, Hardesty, Tate.

given that they are similar in weight.... 233, 225, 220.... certainly in the ideal size range to be a three-down RB in the NFL... and similar in height as well, in that sweet spot 5'10'' to 6 foot range (not that it matters anymore with MJD and Rice)... also pretty similar in 40 time....

is it worth putting much stock into Dixon's slow-ish 40 time of 4.6/7? that's pretty darn slow... IIRC, Moreno was a 4.5/6 from last year, and he just didn't seem to have the speed to be a dynamic NFL back last season. i mean he made buckhalter look like a burner. Hardesty and Tate seem to be in that 'fast-enough' category, and even Dixon could be there, too.

It seems that the consensus goes something like: Dixon/Hardesty.......... Tate. Why is this?

and if you can, please rate these guys in the following categories....

1. short-yardage/goal-line.... TDs

2. catching the ball.... PPR

3. pass blocking.... early season opportunity

finally, any estimates on the rounds they get drafted in?

 
Well, I have him over Spiller because I don't believe Spiller is a full-time back. I think he'll be another Felix Jones type of guy. A better Jerious Norwood.
I think that's a compliment. A lot of you guys have Felix Jones wrong....very wrong.
 

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