Draft Chat With our Draftniks Matt Waldman and Sigmund Bloom Tonight D (1 Viewer)

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If Best cant' stay healthy, Leshoure might put Best in a "Reggie Bush" role pretty quick. Great pick for the Lions, who I am falling in love with.

As a Titans fan with a scary rookie qb, I need options....

 

[DexterDew]

I can see the Browns taking a WR here

 

[Stealthycat]

CLE up ... QB Mallett time yet ?

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Well, the Eagles really were serious about moving on from Mikell. Jarrett should be your #1 fantasy safety.

Agreed. "Reached" a couple of rounds early for him, maybe, but he's the presumptive SS here and a much better bet for tackles than Rahim Moore.

One thing about the Eagles, they really don't play a strong or weak/free safety. They're very "even" and will use either safety (if they trust them both) interchangeably.

Good point here. Certainly didn't trust Mikell, and used him much more in the box. We'll see if that's a trend with McDermott; Jarrett certainly more capable in coverage than Mikell.

Do you mean Castillo?

 

[DexterDew]

Hankerson might have the size... but like Cobb

 

[Jene Bramel]

Impossible to not move your head to the beat of those NFLN Play:60 commercials. Just hope I don't look as dumb as Arthur Blank while I'm doing it.

 

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Vereen's value plummets on the Patriots, imo. Not a great spot for him in fantasy purposes.

One week it's Woodhead,, one week its BGE, one week it's Vareen.....no thanks

This is kind of how I see it Sig. So many weapons there, that Vereen will never be a bellcow. Lots of guys I like more than him.

Things rarely look very clean on draft day for the top 10-15 fantasy players. If you liked Vereen pre-draft, it's a good spot for him. If you didn't, don't worry about it.I don't know if Vereen can be a special/impact back, but I do know that the Patriots do not have a special/impact back on their roster, so if he can be, nobody is going to stand in his way.

I guess if Danny Woodhead can do what he did in that offense, a guy like Vereen could do something. I might be looking at it backwards, who knows. But unless it's a RB heavy league, there are 8 guys I like more than Vereen, maybe more in PPR.

 

[CompetitiveEdgeFootball]

I just cant get behind this vereen pick. I know he's a nice player with a 3rd down skill set, but why pass on leshoure there. He has an every down back skill set.

You take essentially a gadget player instead of a bell cow.

I think they're just out thinking themselves now.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Vereen's value plummets on the Patriots, imo. Not a great spot for him in fantasy purposes.

One week it's Woodhead,, one week its BGE, one week it's Vareen.....no thanks

This is kind of how I see it Sig. So many weapons there, that Vereen will never be a bellcow. Lots of guys I like more than him.

Yes, but we knew that coming in (not a bellcow). I think his value still goes up as he lands on a team that is great at running the ball that also presents a lot of scoring opportunities. Some overthinking going on here. Good talent in good offense = what you want in dynasty leagues. Where would you have rather he landed? Maybe Miami or Washington for situation, but if Vereen is not a bellcow in NE, he's not one there either, so you have him in a limited role on a team that isn't as good at running the ball.

 

[DexterDew]

Greg Little... who has the size.

Good pick!

 

[Matt Waldman]

Someone make an argument why Vereen can't be an every down back? Because he's 210 pounds? I think this talk is premature.

Best still a nice value in PPR leagues now. Obviously his perceived value (preseason) goes down because not projected to be sole starter, but we need to see if Leshoure can show the patience and after contact skills.

Greg Little to Browns...smarts by Holmgren - might get the better WR after trading away Julio Jones. Some risk, but not that much with those picks and getting Little.

 

[Jene Bramel]

Well, the Eagles really were serious about moving on from Mikell. Jarrett should be your #1 fantasy safety.

Agreed. "Reached" a couple of rounds early for him, maybe, but he's the presumptive SS here and a much better bet for tackles than Rahim Moore.

One thing about the Eagles, they really don't play a strong or weak/free safety. They're very "even" and will use either safety (if they trust them both) interchangeably.

Good point here. Certainly didn't trust Mikell, and used him much more in the box. We'll see if that's a trend with McDermott; Jarrett certainly more capable in coverage than Mikell.

Do you mean Castillo?

Ugh, yeah. Getting a little scattered between all these threads and discussions. Thanks.

 

[Jeff Haseley]

Impossible to not move your head to the beat of those NFLN Play:60 commercials. Just hope I don't look as dumb as Arthur Blank while I'm doing it.

 

[Cassius]

I just cant get behind this vereen pick. I know he's a nice player with a 3rd down skill set, but why pass on leshoure there. He has an every down back skill set.You take essentially a gadget player instead of a bell cow.I think they're just out thinking themselves now.

I think his strengths (and weaknesses) probably overlap with BJGE.

 

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I like Little a lot. McCoy needs weapons. This could be good for him. I think Little is underrated and if they can get him to play hard, he could surprise.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Little could become a Marshall-like force. No one blocking him in Cleveland. I think he might be your WR3 in this rookie draft when the dust settles.

 

[DexterDew]

Texans and Chargers could use another WR, too...

this should be a fun run for fantasy football fans

 

[Jene Bramel]

Corner now for Houston?

 

[Cassius]

Nothing has happened to change the top 5 IMO.

Green, AJ CIN WR

Ingram, Mark NOS RB

Jones, Julio ATL WR

LeShoure, Mikel DET RB

Williams, Ryan ARI RB

Top 5 is still a nice place to sit in this rookie draft.

Love the Little pick, I think he might be my #6.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Vereen's value plummets on the Patriots, imo. Not a great spot for him in fantasy purposes.

One week it's Woodhead,, one week its BGE, one week it's Vareen.....no thanks

This is kind of how I see it Sig. So many weapons there, that Vereen will never be a bellcow. Lots of guys I like more than him.

But... easy to see either Woodhead or BJGE not there in the future when Vereen is still there.

 

[eakfootball]

What did the pats get?

 

[Eastwood]

Little could become a Marshall-like force. No one blocking him in Cleveland. I think he might be your WR3 in this rookie draft when the dust settles.

Was thinking the exact same thing.

 

[AcerFC]

Wish I would have traded 1.4 when I was getting offers. Now it looks like a guessing game as to who is in a better situation. Add 1.6 into it and I am lost

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Houston after Harris, I presume?

Yep. :( So close. Oh well.

 

[Jene Bramel]

Corner now for Houston?

Brandon Harris may not be much better than what they have in the long run...ETA: Agree with Mayock, though, that Harris was the last guy with a chance to start for the duration of his rookie contract.

 

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Vereen's value plummets on the Patriots, imo. Not a great spot for him in fantasy purposes.

One week it's Woodhead,, one week its BGE, one week it's Vareen.....no thanks

This is kind of how I see it Sig. So many weapons there, that Vereen will never be a bellcow. Lots of guys I like more than him.

Yes, but we knew that coming in (not a bellcow). I think his value still goes up as he lands on a team that is great at running the ball that also presents a lot of scoring opportunities. Some overthinking going on here. Good talent in good offense = what you want in dynasty leagues. Where would you have rather he landed? Maybe Miami or Washington for situation, but if Vereen is not a bellcow in NE, he's not one there either, so you have him in a limited role on a team that isn't as good at running the ball.

I see your point, I guess I'm just not a huge Vereen fan. When I saw you say he might go up to 1.06, that's kind of where I didn't agree with you, as I seem him more around the 1.10 spot. But there is no question that the Patriots are a system in which a RB can succeed. I might be overrating Woodhead and BJGE just a little bit.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Impossible to not move your head to the beat of those NFLN Play:60 commercials. Just hope I don't look as dumb as Arthur Blank while I'm doing it.

at picturing you, Jene. On the plus side for you, I doubt I'd look much better.

 

[Athletic Supporter]

Corner now for Houston?

Harris

 

[CompetitiveEdgeFootball]

I just cant get behind this vereen pick. I know he's a nice player with a 3rd down skill set, but why pass on leshoure there. He has an every down back skill set.You take essentially a gadget player instead of a bell cow.I think they're just out thinking themselves now.

I think his strengths (and weaknesses) probably overlap with BJGE.

Leshoure's? Yes probably, but vereens overlap with woodheads.BJGE is a different subject altogether. This forum is filled with posts about how he's average to below average. Leshoure HAS to be more talented right? He's the #2 RB on most teams boards, and in most scouts rankings...

 

[Cassius]

What did the pats get?

MikeReiss Mike ReissPatriots trade the 60th overall pick to Houston. Acquire a third-rounder (73) and a fifth-rounder (138).

 

[Time Kibitzer]

Little could become a Marshall-like force. No one blocking him in Cleveland. I think he might be your WR3 in this rookie draft when the dust settles.

Little is very good after the catch, which is ideal for a West Coast offense. Little is probably going to be my #1 target this draft.

 

[patrickmcgroin]

Hoping Panthers get the chance to draft Drake Nevis.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Cant believe DET takes Leshoure just a year after taking Best early + so many defensive needs

 

[Jene Bramel]

Impossible to not move your head to the beat of those NFLN Play:60 commercials. Just hope I don't look as dumb as Arthur Blank while I'm doing it.

at picturing you, Jene. On the plus side for you, I doubt I'd look much better.

I've got a face made for the Audible and the feet of, well, I could've been a body double for a Sopranos' scene where they dump a guy over the side of the boat.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I just cant get behind this vereen pick. I know he's a nice player with a 3rd down skill set, but why pass on leshoure there. He has an every down back skill set.You take essentially a gadget player instead of a bell cow.I think they're just out thinking themselves now.

I think his strengths (and weaknesses) probably overlap with BJGE.

You mean they're complimentary, correct?

 

[Cassius]

I just cant get behind this vereen pick. I know he's a nice player with a 3rd down skill set, but why pass on leshoure there. He has an every down back skill set.You take essentially a gadget player instead of a bell cow.I think they're just out thinking themselves now.

I think his strengths (and weaknesses) probably overlap with BJGE.

Leshoure's? Yes probably, but vereens overlap with woodheads.BJGE is a different subject altogether. This forum is filled with posts about how he's average to below average. Leshoure HAS to be more talented right? He's the #2 RB on most teams boards, and in most scouts rankings...

They don't really want a lot more from BJGE other than to get what's there to get. He doesn't make extra yardage himself and is not terribly elusive. I agree that LeShoure is probably more talented than him, but if they don't think Leshoure is a dynamic/elite runner, I can understand them "standing pat" with BJGE as the thumper role.And again, I doubt NE takes Vereen here slotting him as the 3rd down RB role - obviously posters here disagree, but I don't think they take a RB here unless they see him as being a very significant contributor.

 

[David Dodds]

Cant believe DET takes Leshoure just a year after taking Best early + so many defensive needs

They might be able to mask a lot of those defensive needs with some average CBs and LBs in free agency because of the pass rush they will be able to generate

 

[CompetitiveEdgeFootball]

Vereen's value plummets on the Patriots, imo. Not a great spot for him in fantasy purposes.

One week it's Woodhead,, one week its BGE, one week it's Vareen.....no thanks

This is kind of how I see it Sig. So many weapons there, that Vereen will never be a bellcow. Lots of guys I like more than him.

Yes, but we knew that coming in (not a bellcow). I think his value still goes up as he lands on a team that is great at running the ball that also presents a lot of scoring opportunities. Some overthinking going on here. Good talent in good offense = what you want in dynasty leagues. Where would you have rather he landed? Maybe Miami or Washington for situation, but if Vereen is not a bellcow in NE, he's not one there either, so you have him in a limited role on a team that isn't as good at running the ball.

Sig, the pats already have a stable of part time backs. They have pieces to a running game that when you put them all together is pretty effective.But why draft pieces like you already have when you can draft a full one player. This doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[Sigmund Bloom]

Nothing has happened to change the top 5 IMO.Green, AJ CIN WRIngram, Mark NOS RBJones, Julio ATL WRLeShoure, Mikel DET RBWilliams, Ryan ARI RBTop 5 is still a nice place to sit in this rookie draft.Love the Little pick, I think he might be my #6.

agreed, with possible exception of Ingram over Green... still mulling that one overI had a pick in 10-15 range reserved for Little in a lot of leagues as I warm to him more every time I watch the film. Looks like that plan might be blown up.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Wish I would have traded 1.4 when I was getting offers. Now it looks like a guessing game as to who is in a better situation. Add 1.6 into it and I am lost

I'm willing to talk

 

[Cassius]

Vereen's value plummets on the Patriots, imo. Not a great spot for him in fantasy purposes.

One week it's Woodhead,, one week its BGE, one week it's Vareen.....no thanks

This is kind of how I see it Sig. So many weapons there, that Vereen will never be a bellcow. Lots of guys I like more than him.

Yes, but we knew that coming in (not a bellcow). I think his value still goes up as he lands on a team that is great at running the ball that also presents a lot of scoring opportunities. Some overthinking going on here. Good talent in good offense = what you want in dynasty leagues. Where would you have rather he landed? Maybe Miami or Washington for situation, but if Vereen is not a bellcow in NE, he's not one there either, so you have him in a limited role on a team that isn't as good at running the ball.

Sig, the pats already have a stable of part time backs. They have pieces to a running game that when you put them all together is pretty effective.But why draft pieces like you already have when you can draft a full one player. This doesn't make any sense to me.

Probably because you're not realizing that the Patriots probably don't think they're drafting another "piece."

 

[Matt Waldman]

I just cant get behind this vereen pick. I know he's a nice player with a 3rd down skill set, but why pass on leshoure there. He has an every down back skill set.You take essentially a gadget player instead of a bell cow.I think they're just out thinking themselves now.

I think his strengths (and weaknesses) probably overlap with BJGE.

Leshoure's? Yes probably, but vereens overlap with woodheads.BJGE is a different subject altogether. This forum is filled with posts about how he's average to below average. Leshoure HAS to be more talented right? He's the #2 RB on most teams boards, and in most scouts rankings...

They don't really want a lot more from BJGE other than to get what's there to get. He doesn't make extra yardage himself and is not terribly elusive. I agree that LeShoure is probably more talented than him, but if they don't think Leshoure is a dynamic/elite runner, I can understand them "standing pat" with BJGE as the thumper role.And again, I doubt NE takes Vereen here slotting him as the 3rd down RB role - obviously posters here disagree, but I don't think they take a RB here unless they see him as being a very significant contributor.

I wholeheartedly agree. A utility back in the 2nd round? No. Woodhead is a utility back (free agent by the way). BJGE is a chain mover (free agent). Vereen is a potential lead back. You have to watch him run. He has balance, excellent leg strength for his 210-pound frame and burst to generate nice gains. This is a guy I said two months ago could actually have a better career than Jahvid Best although he's doesn't have the high-end talent of Best as an open field weapon.

 

[CompetitiveEdgeFootball]

I just cant get behind this vereen pick. I know he's a nice player with a 3rd down skill set, but why pass on leshoure there. He has an every down back skill set.You take essentially a gadget player instead of a bell cow.I think they're just out thinking themselves now.

I think his strengths (and weaknesses) probably overlap with BJGE.

Leshoure's? Yes probably, but vereens overlap with woodheads.BJGE is a different subject altogether. This forum is filled with posts about how he's average to below average. Leshoure HAS to be more talented right? He's the #2 RB on most teams boards, and in most scouts rankings...

They don't really want a lot more from BJGE other than to get what's there to get. He doesn't make extra yardage himself and is not terribly elusive. I agree that LeShoure is probably more talented than him, but if they don't think Leshoure is a dynamic/elite runner, I can understand them "standing pat" with BJGE as the thumper role.And again, I doubt NE takes Vereen here slotting him as the 3rd down RB role - obviously posters here disagree, but I don't think they take a RB here unless they see him as being a very significant contributor.

I guess we will see. I think they passed on a complete back. Furthermore, they probably could have gotten vereen a good deal later then where they got him. They still need a pass rusher. Vereen couldn't have been a RB that was next on many teams boards.

 

[Cassius]

Nothing has happened to change the top 5 IMO.Green, AJ CIN WRIngram, Mark NOS RBJones, Julio ATL WRLeShoure, Mikel DET RBWilliams, Ryan ARI RBTop 5 is still a nice place to sit in this rookie draft.Love the Little pick, I think he might be my #6.

agreed, with possible exception of Ingram over Green... still mulling that one overI had a pick in 10-15 range reserved for Little in a lot of leagues as I warm to him more every time I watch the film. Looks like that plan might be blown up.

It's close with those two. Clearly Green in PPR, and in non-PPR I'd probably say it's so close that you can go with "need."I have 1.09 in one league, ear-marked for Little, but I'm not sure I can count on it happening. Probably have to wait and see where these other mid-tier RB/WR's go (Hunter, Murray, Hankerson, Cobb, et al).

 

[Jeff Haseley]

The success of WRs Brandon Tate, Hakeem Nicks and Greg Little at Carolina really says something about QB TJ Yates. I am interested to see who picks him and when he'll go.

 

[Saint]

WAS is accumulating picks

 

[Jene Bramel]

Hard not to see Mouton as a reach. Most gave him a 5th round grade or later. Lots of uncertainty inside in SD, though. Cooper and Burnett free agents and likely gone. Siler a free agent, too. Last year's third round ILB target (Donald Butler) recovering from Achilles injury.

Second round pick makes him a favorite to be considered a starter and every-down player, though.

 

[CompetitiveEdgeFootball]

I just cant get behind this vereen pick. I know he's a nice player with a 3rd down skill set, but why pass on leshoure there. He has an every down back skill set.You take essentially a gadget player instead of a bell cow.I think they're just out thinking themselves now.

I think his strengths (and weaknesses) probably overlap with BJGE.

Leshoure's? Yes probably, but vereens overlap with woodheads.BJGE is a different subject altogether. This forum is filled with posts about how he's average to below average. Leshoure HAS to be more talented right? He's the #2 RB on most teams boards, and in most scouts rankings...

They don't really want a lot more from BJGE other than to get what's there to get. He doesn't make extra yardage himself and is not terribly elusive. I agree that LeShoure is probably more talented than him, but if they don't think Leshoure is a dynamic/elite runner, I can understand them "standing pat" with BJGE as the thumper role.And again, I doubt NE takes Vereen here slotting him as the 3rd down RB role - obviously posters here disagree, but I don't think they take a RB here unless they see him as being a very significant contributor.

I wholeheartedly agree. A utility back in the 2nd round? No. Woodhead is a utility back (free agent by the way). BJGE is a chain mover (free agent). Vereen is a potential lead back. You have to watch him run. He has balance, excellent leg strength for his 210-pound frame and burst to generate nice gains. This is a guy I said two months ago could actually have a better career than Jahvid Best although he's doesn't have the high-end talent of Best as an open field weapon.

I do hope you guys are right as a pats fan. Maybe he is more of a complete back than leshoure. Or maybe they didn't like something about leshoure after working him out.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Little could become a Marshall-like force. No one blocking him in Cleveland. I think he might be your WR3 in this rookie draft when the dust settles.

Little is very good after the catch, which is ideal for a West Coast offense. Little is probably going to be my #1 target this draft.

If the Rams wanted to improve the passing attack this was the way to do it.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Matt, I agree on Vareen. He's had heavy workload games where he appeared to be the type to get stronger and wear down a defense. Not many, but enough to respect him as more than change of pace. Still, NEs feature back is basically a change of pace from the constant changing of paces.