Draft Day, racist movie? Plus other thoughts (1 Viewer)

[johnjohn]

Picture this, the movie is about a bunch of white guys with great character and the one guy that should be the best player (who is black) is a poor character guy that is really just a crappy person, would that movie be racist towards black people?

In actuality though, the movie is set up the exact opposite way, and I bet most people don't consider it racist.

Which brings up the question, are white people victims now? Is it okay to be racist towards a white person, but not a black person ?

For example, jay z said he wanted Obama to win because he is black, that was his only reason. Now if donald trump said he wanted so and so to win because he is white he would be murdered in the media for being racist, but jay z wasnt?

Why is that? I am not stating anything as a fact but just want to open up discussion on this subject.

 

[JHuber77]

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[Dr Oadi]

:IBTL:

The Jesse & Al mafia will be here soon. You will obey.

 

[johnjohn]

I would love for someone to disagree with me in a mature fashion to generate discussion on this sensitive topic. People that want to fight or insult, please don't bother in this thread, I will just report you and ignore you

 

[cstu]

Picture this, the movie is about a bunch of white guys with great character and the one guy that should be the best player (who is black) is a poor character guy that is really just a crappy person, would that movie be racist towards black people?

No.

 

[cstu]

Which brings up the question, are white people victims now?

No.

Is it okay to be racist towards a white person, but not a black person ?

No.

 

[johnjohn]

Please expand your thoughts

 

[Brady Marino]

Please expand your thoughts

No.

 

[cstu]

For example, jay z said he wanted Obama to win because he is black, that was his only reason.

For one, Obama isn't black. Second, being black wasn't the only reason. He wouldn't have voted for him if he had the politics of Romney.

Now if donald trump said he wanted so and so to win because he is white he would be murdered in the media for being racist, but jay z wasnt?

Yes. Your point?

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Please expand your thoughts

No.

Don't count on it

My reply is no

My sources say no

Outlook not so good

Very doubtful

 

[Mr. Retukes]

You forgot to mention Jeremiah Wright.

 

[mr roboto]

No.

 

[johnjohn]

For example, jay z said he wanted Obama to win because he is black, that was his only reason.

For one, Obama isn't black. Second, being black wasn't the only reason. He wouldn't have voted for him if he had the politics of Romney.

Now if donald trump said he wanted so and so to win because he is white he would be murdered in the media for being racist, but jay z wasnt?

Yes. Your point?

Obama is black, if you are trying to say he isnt black then we aren't being honest here. Everyone refers to him as being the first BLACK president.

he didnt? What about this article? http://www.ijreview.com/2012/09/17618-jay-z-wants-less-government-but-supports-obama-because-hes-black/

My point is double standards is a form of racism if it indeed a double standard

 

[urbanhack]

For example, jay z said he wanted Obama to win because he is black, that was his only reason.

For one, Obama isn't black. Second, being black wasn't the only reason. He wouldn't have voted for him if he had the politics of Romney.

Now if donald trump said he wanted so and so to win because he is white he would be murdered in the media for being racist, but jay z wasnt?

Yes. Your point?

Obama is black, if you are trying to say he isnt black then we aren't being honest here. Everyone refers to him as being the first BLACK president.he didnt? What about this article? http://www.ijreview.com/2012/09/17618-jay-z-wants-less-government-but-supports-obama-because-hes-black/

My point is double standards is a form of racism if it indeed a double standard

What do you mean?

 

[johnjohn]

For example, jay z said he wanted Obama to win because he is black, that was his only reason.

For one, Obama isn't black. Second, being black wasn't the only reason. He wouldn't have voted for him if he had the politics of Romney.

Now if donald trump said he wanted so and so to win because he is white he would be murdered in the media for being racist, but jay z wasnt?

Yes. Your point?

Obama is black, if you are trying to say he isnt black then we aren't being honest here. Everyone refers to him as being the first BLACK president.he didnt? What about this article? http://www.ijreview.com/2012/09/17618-jay-z-wants-less-government-but-supports-obama-because-hes-black/

My point is double standards is a form of racism if it indeed a double standard

What do you mean?

what do i mean about what

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

For example, jay z said he wanted Obama to win because he is black, that was his only reason.

For one, Obama isn't black. Second, being black wasn't the only reason. He wouldn't have voted for him if he had the politics of Romney.

Now if donald trump said he wanted so and so to win because he is white he would be murdered in the media for being racist, but jay z wasnt?

Yes. Your point?

Obama is black, if you are trying to say he isnt black then we aren't being honest here. Everyone refers to him as being the first BLACK president.he didnt? What about this article? http://www.ijreview.com/2012/09/17618-jay-z-wants-less-government-but-supports-obama-because-hes-black/

My point is double standards is a form of racism if it indeed a double standard

What do you mean?

what do i mean about what

Expand your thoughts

 

[Juxtatarot]

Picture this, the movie is about a bunch of white guys with great character and the one guy that should be the best player (who is black) is a poor character guy that is really just a crappy person, would that movie be racist towards black people?

In actuality though, the movie is set up the exact opposite way, and I bet most people don't consider it racist.

Which brings up the question, are white people victims now? Is it okay to be racist towards a white person, but not a black person ?

For example, jay z said he wanted Obama to win because he is black, that was his only reason. Now if donald trump said he wanted so and so to win because he is white he would be murdered in the media for being racist, but jay z wasnt?

Why is that? I am not stating anything as a fact but just want to open up discussion on this subject.

Yes.

Not as a whole.

No.

Yes.

Historic oppression.

 

[Fla\/\/ed]

For example, jay z said he wanted Obama to win because he is black, that was his only reason.

For one, Obama isn't black. Second, being black wasn't the only reason. He wouldn't have voted for him if he had the politics of Romney.

Now if donald trump said he wanted so and so to win because he is white he would be murdered in the media for being racist, but jay z wasnt?

Yes. Your point?

If he isn't black why do so many African Americans and others refer to him as our first black president?

 

[ghostguy123]

Nobody cares what a rapper says, just like nobody cares what a comedian says.

Great thread though.

 

[johnjohn]

For example, jay z said he wanted Obama to win because he is black, that was his only reason.

For one, Obama isn't black. Second, being black wasn't the only reason. He wouldn't have voted for him if he had the politics of Romney.

Now if donald trump said he wanted so and so to win because he is white he would be murdered in the media for being racist, but jay z wasnt?

Yes. Your point?

If he isn't black why do so many African Americans and others refer to him as our first black president?

Exactly

 

[bentley]

I'm so glad that someone finally had the courage to make this point.

 

[Lutherman2112]

Picture this, the movie is about a bunch of white guys with great character and the one guy that should be the best player (who is black) is a poor character guy that is really just a crappy person, would that movie be racist towards black people?

In actuality though, the movie is set up the exact opposite way, and I bet most people don't consider it racist.

Which brings up the question, are white people victims now? Is it okay to be racist towards a white person, but not a black person ?

For example, jay z said he wanted Obama to win because he is black, that was his only reason. Now if donald trump said he wanted so and so to win because he is white he would be murdered in the media for being racist, but jay z wasnt?

Why is that? I am not stating anything as a fact but just want to open up discussion on this subject.

Did you see the movie? Or are you running blind here?

 

[johnjohn]

Picture this, the movie is about a bunch of white guys with great character and the one guy that should be the best player (who is black) is a poor character guy that is really just a crappy person, would that movie be racist towards black people?

In actuality though, the movie is set up the exact opposite way, and I bet most people don't consider it racist.

Which brings up the question, are white people victims now? Is it okay to be racist towards a white person, but not a black person ?

For example, jay z said he wanted Obama to win because he is black, that was his only reason. Now if donald trump said he wanted so and so to win because he is white he would be murdered in the media for being racist, but jay z wasnt?

Why is that? I am not stating anything as a fact but just want to open up discussion on this subject.

Did you see the movie? Or are you running blind here?

Saw the movie, enjoyed it. Have you seen it?

 

[Lutherman2112]

For example, jay z said he wanted Obama to win because he is black, that was his only reason.

For one, Obama isn't black. Second, being black wasn't the only reason. He wouldn't have voted for him if he had the politics of Romney.

Now if donald trump said he wanted so and so to win because he is white he would be murdered in the media for being racist, but jay z wasnt?

Yes. Your point?

Obama is black, if you are trying to say he isnt black then we aren't being honest here. Everyone refers to him as being the first BLACK president.

he didnt? What about this article? http://www.ijreview.com/2012/09/17618-jay-z-wants-less-government-but-supports-obama-because-hes-black/

My point is double standards is a form of racism if it indeed a double standard

I like a nice Catalina dressing with bacon on my word salads.

 

[Mister Martie]

Someone actually saw this movie? Wow.

 

[Mister CIA]

And then?

 

[Lutherman2112]

Picture this, the movie is about a bunch of white guys with great character and the one guy that should be the best player (who is black) is a poor character guy that is really just a crappy person, would that movie be racist towards black people?

In actuality though, the movie is set up the exact opposite way, and I bet most people don't consider it racist.

Which brings up the question, are white people victims now? Is it okay to be racist towards a white person, but not a black person ?

For example, jay z said he wanted Obama to win because he is black, that was his only reason. Now if donald trump said he wanted so and so to win because he is white he would be murdered in the media for being racist, but jay z wasnt?

Why is that? I am not stating anything as a fact but just want to open up discussion on this subject.

Did you see the movie? Or are you running blind here?

Saw the movie, enjoyed it. Have you seen it?

No, not yet. Just trying to get your perspective.

My daughter is a huge Marvel fan, so we did Captain America this weekend. Liked it a lot.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Picture this, the movie is about a bunch of white guys with great character and the one guy that should be the best player (who is black) is a poor character guy that is really just a crappy person, would that movie be racist towards black people?

In actuality though, the movie is set up the exact opposite way, and I bet most people don't consider it racist.

Which brings up the question, are white people victims now? Is it okay to be racist towards a white person, but not a black person ?

For example, jay z said he wanted Obama to win because he is black, that was his only reason. Now if donald trump said he wanted so and so to win because he is white he would be murdered in the media for being racist, but jay z wasnt?

Why is that? I am not stating anything as a fact but just want to open up discussion on this subject.

Did you see the movie? Or are you running blind here?

Saw the movie, enjoyed it. Have you seen it?

So you're racist then?

 

[Ilov80s]

Picture this, the movie is about a bunch of white guys with great character and the one guy that should be the best player (who is black) is a poor character guy that is really just a crappy person, would that movie be racist towards black people?

In actuality though, the movie is set up the exact opposite way, and I bet most people don't consider it racist.

Which brings up the question, are white people victims now? Is it okay to be racist towards a white person, but not a black person ?

For example, jay z said he wanted Obama to win because he is black, that was his only reason. Now if donald trump said he wanted so and so to win because he is white he would be murdered in the media for being racist, but jay z wasnt?

Why is that? I am not stating anything as a fact but just want to open up discussion on this subject.

Did you see the movie? Or are you running blind here?

Saw the movie, enjoyed it. Have you seen it?

No, not yet. Just trying to get your perspective.

My daughter is a huge Marvel fan, so we did Captain America this weekend. Liked it a lot.

I have heard its great, might have to see it. It's not racist, is it?

 

[matuski]

Poor johnjohn.

On a side note, I liked the movie.

 

[bigbottom]

Picture this, the movie is about a bunch of white guys with great character and the one guy that should be the best player (who is black) is a poor character guy that is really just a crappy person, would that movie be racist towards black people?

No.

 

[bigbottom]

For example, jay z said he wanted Obama to win because he is black, that was his only reason.

For one, Obama isn't black. Second, being black wasn't the only reason. He wouldn't have voted for him if he had the politics of Romney.

Now if donald trump said he wanted so and so to win because he is white he would be murdered in the media for being racist, but jay z wasnt?

Yes. Your point?

Obama is black, if you are trying to say he isnt black then we aren't being honest here. Everyone refers to him as being the first BLACK president.he didnt? What about this article? http://www.ijreview.com/2012/09/17618-jay-z-wants-less-government-but-supports-obama-because-hes-black/

This link does not support your stated premise.

 

[johnjohn]

For example, jay z said he wanted Obama to win because he is black, that was his only reason.

For one, Obama isn't black. Second, being black wasn't the only reason. He wouldn't have voted for him if he had the politics of Romney.

Now if donald trump said he wanted so and so to win because he is white he would be murdered in the media for being racist, but jay z wasnt?

Yes. Your point?

Obama is black, if you are trying to say he isnt black then we aren't being honest here. Everyone refers to him as being the first BLACK president.he didnt? What about this article? http://www.ijreview.com/2012/09/17618-jay-z-wants-less-government-but-supports-obama-because-hes-black/

This link does not support your stated premise.

“I don’t even like the word politics,” Jay-Z told MTV News. ”It implies something underhanded and I think we need less government.”

Despite his support for the President, Jay-Z’s “less government” viewpoint is more in line with Obama’s opponents on the right, such as Republican candidate Mitt Romney, who also calls for smaller government. But his stance on smaller government aside, Jay-Z is all in for the president’s re-election.

“I support Barack because I gotta respect that sort of vision. I gotta respect a man who is the first black President ever,” he said. “To have that sort of vision and dream, I have to support that.”

also, more racism from jay z that doesnt really get a lot of negative press

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2014/04/06/jay-z-racist-bling

 

[squistion]

Obama is black, if you are trying to say he isnt black then we aren't being honest here. Everyone refers to him as being the first BLACK president.

he didnt? What about this article? http://www.ijreview.com/2012/09/17618-jay-z-wants-less-government-but-supports-obama-because-hes-black/

This link does not support your stated premise.

No it doesn't.

''I support Barack because I gotta respect that sort of vision. I gotta respect a man who is the first black President ever,'' he added. ''To have that sort of vision and dream, I have to support that,'' explained the 42-year-old hip hop mogul.

The quote seems to be taken out of context as at the start of the quote he talks about "that sort of vision," but the article never explains what sort of vision he was referring to before that.

It is a little unclear what vision he was referring to, perhaps Obama's vision for America. Some other quotes I have found with what he said prior to that are not that helpful, but do put the quote in a better perspective of whatever point he was trying to make:

http://www.taletela.com/news/19808/jay-z-says-hes-not-into-politics-but-explains-why-he-supports-obama

The '99 Problems' hitmaker went further to justify his point, adding that he feels politicians ''just argue'' and ''think about their next term.''

''To be honest with you I think a lot of people are serving their own agendas, so they just argue back and forth and they think about their next term,'' Jay-Z explained.

''And it’s more about themselves than about the people. They’re servicing the people, but we rarely get anything done because they’re going back and forth with whatever they’re doing, so I’m not really into politics.''

While a role as a politician may seem a bit far-fetched for the rapper, there's no doubt that Jay-Z has had some impact in his support of President Obama.

''I support Barack because I gotta respect that sort of vision. I gotta respect a man who is the first black President ever,'' he added. ''To have that sort of vision and dream, I have to support that,'' explained the 42-year-old hip hop mogul.

In any event, I don't see making the leap from what he actually said to the conclusion that he supported Obama only because he is black.

 

[ghostguy123]

Thank god for reverse racism, otherwise Chris Rock and Dave Chapel wouldn't have brightened many of my days.

 

[bigbottom]

For example, jay z said he wanted Obama to win because he is black, that was his only reason.

For one, Obama isn't black. Second, being black wasn't the only reason. He wouldn't have voted for him if he had the politics of Romney.

Now if donald trump said he wanted so and so to win because he is white he would be murdered in the media for being racist, but jay z wasnt?

Yes. Your point?

Obama is black, if you are trying to say he isnt black then we aren't being honest here. Everyone refers to him as being the first BLACK president.he didnt? What about this article? http://www.ijreview.com/2012/09/17618-jay-z-wants-less-government-but-supports-obama-because-hes-black/

This link does not support your stated premise.

I dont even like the word politics, Jay-Z told MTV News. It implies something underhanded and I think we need less government.Despite his support for the President, Jay-Zs less government viewpoint is more in line with Obamas opponents on the right, such as Republican candidate Mitt Romney, who also calls for smaller government. But his stance on smaller government aside, Jay-Z is all in for the presidents re-election.

I support Barack because I gotta respect that sort of vision. I gotta respect a man who is the first black President ever, he said. To have that sort of vision and dream, I have to support that.

also, more racism from jay z that doesnt really get a lot of negative press

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2014/04/06/jay-z-racist-bling

Again, doesn't support your premise.

 

[ghostguy123]

People care that Jay-Z says?

 

[johnjohn]

For example, jay z said he wanted Obama to win because he is black, that was his only reason.

For one, Obama isn't black. Second, being black wasn't the only reason. He wouldn't have voted for him if he had the politics of Romney.

Now if donald trump said he wanted so and so to win because he is white he would be murdered in the media for being racist, but jay z wasnt?

Yes. Your point?

Obama is black, if you are trying to say he isnt black then we aren't being honest here. Everyone refers to him as being the first BLACK president.he didnt? What about this article? http://www.ijreview.com/2012/09/17618-jay-z-wants-less-government-but-supports-obama-because-hes-black/

This link does not support your stated premise.

I dont even like the word politics, Jay-Z told MTV News. It implies something underhanded and I think we need less government.Despite his support for the President, Jay-Zs less government viewpoint is more in line with Obamas opponents on the right, such as Republican candidate Mitt Romney, who also calls for smaller government. But his stance on smaller government aside, Jay-Z is all in for the presidents re-election.

I support Barack because I gotta respect that sort of vision. I gotta respect a man who is the first black President ever, he said. To have that sort of vision and dream, I have to support that.

also, more racism from jay z that doesnt really get a lot of negative press

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2014/04/06/jay-z-racist-bling

Again, doesn't support your premise.

so, jay z wanted less government and voted for more because why?

also jay z "Jay-Z Sports Bling from 'Whites Are Devils' Group While Courtside with Beyonce"

Hard to argue against Jay Z not being racist.

 

[bigbottom]

People care that Jay-Z says?

At least one does anyway.

 

[bigbottom]

For example, jay z said he wanted Obama to win because he is black, that was his only reason.

For one, Obama isn't black. Second, being black wasn't the only reason. He wouldn't have voted for him if he had the politics of Romney.

Now if donald trump said he wanted so and so to win because he is white he would be murdered in the media for being racist, but jay z wasnt?

Yes. Your point?

Obama is black, if you are trying to say he isnt black then we aren't being honest here. Everyone refers to him as being the first BLACK president.he didnt? What about this article? http://www.ijreview.com/2012/09/17618-jay-z-wants-less-government-but-supports-obama-because-hes-black/

This link does not support your stated premise.

I dont even like the word politics, Jay-Z told MTV News. It implies something underhanded and I think we need less government.Despite his support for the President, Jay-Zs less government viewpoint is more in line with Obamas opponents on the right, such as Republican candidate Mitt Romney, who also calls for smaller government. But his stance on smaller government aside, Jay-Z is all in for the presidents re-election.

I support Barack because I gotta respect that sort of vision. I gotta respect a man who is the first black President ever, he said. To have that sort of vision and dream, I have to support that.

also, more racism from jay z that doesnt really get a lot of negative press

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2014/04/06/jay-z-racist-bling

Again, doesn't support your premise.

so, jay z wanted less government and voted for more because why?also jay z "Jay-Z Sports Bling from 'Whites Are Devils' Group While Courtside with Beyonce"

Hard to argue against Jay Z not being racist.

Your premise was that the only reason Jay-Z voted for Obama was because he is black. Your link does not support that conclusion. As for whether Jay-Z is a racist, I don't know and don't care.edit: Actually, you asserted that Jay-Z stated that the only reason he voted for Obama was because he was black. Your link doesn't support that assertion.

 

[Jayrod]

This may be the worst thread I've ever read here.

Truly mind-numbing

 

[johnjohn]

For example, jay z said he wanted Obama to win because he is black, that was his only reason.

For one, Obama isn't black. Second, being black wasn't the only reason. He wouldn't have voted for him if he had the politics of Romney.

Now if donald trump said he wanted so and so to win because he is white he would be murdered in the media for being racist, but jay z wasnt?

Yes. Your point?

Obama is black, if you are trying to say he isnt black then we aren't being honest here. Everyone refers to him as being the first BLACK president.he didnt? What about this article? http://www.ijreview.com/2012/09/17618-jay-z-wants-less-government-but-supports-obama-because-hes-black/

This link does not support your stated premise.

I dont even like the word politics, Jay-Z told MTV News. It implies something underhanded and I think we need less government.Despite his support for the President, Jay-Zs less government viewpoint is more in line with Obamas opponents on the right, such as Republican candidate Mitt Romney, who also calls for smaller government. But his stance on smaller government aside, Jay-Z is all in for the presidents re-election.

I support Barack because I gotta respect that sort of vision. I gotta respect a man who is the first black President ever, he said. To have that sort of vision and dream, I have to support that.

also, more racism from jay z that doesnt really get a lot of negative press

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2014/04/06/jay-z-racist-bling

Again, doesn't support your premise.

so, jay z wanted less government and voted for more because why?also jay z "Jay-Z Sports Bling from 'Whites Are Devils' Group While Courtside with Beyonce"

Hard to argue against Jay Z not being racist.

Your premise was that the only reason Jay-Z voted for Obama was because he is black. Your link does not support that conclusion. As for whether Jay-Z is a racist, I don't know and don't care.

If jay z is saying he doesnt like big government but votes for it anyways then saying jay z voted for obama just because he is black isn't a crazy stretch, and it isnt a crazy stretch claim to that as racist.

As for the other part, that is definitely racist and neither got him murdered in the media.

My question is, if something similar along those lines happened with a white person, would he be murdered in the media? If the answer is yes then theres double standard racism going on

 

[belljr]

yes/no?

 

[ghostguy123]

This may be the worst thread I've ever read here.

Truly mind-numbing

It never had a chance

 

[johnjohn]

Guys you aren't going to bully me no matter how hard you try with mocking

 

[ghostguy123]

Guys you aren't going to bully me no matter how hard you try with mocking

lol

 

[Spartans Rule]

Guys you aren't going to bully me no matter how hard you try with mocking

Well, yeah. We all know you have thick skin since you've somehow managed to survive all the horrific trials and tribulations that go along with being a white American.

 

[Frostillicus]

I feel bad for white people having to put up with that kind of stuff.

 

[El Floppo]

white people. amirite?

 

[johnjohn]

Guys you aren't going to bully me no matter how hard you try with mocking

Well, yeah. We all know you have thick skin since you've somehow managed to survive all the horrific trials and tribulations that go along with being a white American.

Not saying I agree with what im about to say, maybe I do or maybe i am playing devils advocate.

Being a white american now isn't the same as being one say, 20 years ago.

Let me break it down in a common sense way of speaking so you understand

Before unions people were being taking advantaged of, after unions, it became fair. Soon enough unions are taking advantage with some of the crap that goes on. One extreme went to the next. I think we all agree that Unions for the most part, have too much power, and went corrupt. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-relentless-conservative/how-_b_913311.html read this if you disagree)

Now, lets relate that to racism, there use to be racism against black people, that was wrong and we tried to get rid of that, but going from one extreme (Racism against black) to another (allowing black people or anyone to be racist against white people) isn't right either. If that is indeed what is going on.