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Drew Bledsoe - HOFer (1 Viewer)

Joe T

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I think Bledsoe will be in the NFL Hall of Fame, but would like to hear some arguments against him.

Here are the arguments for:

He has a 14 year career, with 5 pro-bowls under his belt. He is in the top 10 all time in passing yards and will soon be in the top 10 in passing TD's. He is in the top 5 all time in pass attempts and pass completions.

He also has 2 Super Bowl appearances.

And one Super Bowl ring.

He is likely on his way to a third Super Bowl appearance this year.

That should not only be enough to get him in, it should be enough to make him a first ballot HOFer.

The only things against him are that he's not some folk-hero like Brett Favre who stayed with the same team his whole career. The fact that he moved around a little will likely work against him.

 
I think Bledsoe will be in the NFL Hall of Fame, but would like to hear some arguments against him.

Here are the arguments for:

He has a 14 year career, with 5 pro-bowls under his belt. He is in the top 10 all time in passing yards and will soon be in the top 10 in passing TD's. He is in the top 5 all time in pass attempts and pass completions.

He also has 2 Super Bowl appearances.

And one Super Bowl ring.

He is likely on his way to a third Super Bowl appearance this year.

That should not only be enough to get him in, it should be enough to make him a first ballot HOFer.

The only things against him are that he's not some folk-hero like Brett Favre who stayed with the same team his whole career. The fact that he moved around a little will likely work against him.
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I know you're fishing, but since I already posted this in another thread, it doesn't take much time.

By one metric -- adjusted yards per attempt -- Drew Bledsoe has been a below average QB for his career.

0 = league average.

1993 nwe -4291994 nwe -3781995 nwe -7661996 nwe 2281997 nwe 3301998 nwe 4161999 nwe 1932000 nwe -1402001 nwe -432002 buf 4192003 buf -1922004 buf -3192005 dal 217Total: -464.The first three seasons of his career, Bledsoe has a 67.9 QB Rating. People usually forget about how bad he was back then, and by doing that, it makes his HOF case a bit more compelling. If you factor in his whole career, I think he pretty clearly falls out of consideration and at best was an average starting QB for his whole career. He's only had what I would consider to be three very good sesaons, and certainly no great or unbelievable seasons. A clear no in my book.

Additionally, the above stats only look at him as a passer. And Drew Bledsoe the quarterback is certainly less impressive than Drew Bledsoe the passer, since passing is Bledsoe's strongest asset (as opposed to pocket presence/ability to avoid the rush, and mobility/being a rushing QB). Adding in Bledsoe's penchats for sacks and his lack of rushing yards, and he's not a HOF by my definition.

 
I know you're fishing, but since I already posted this in another thread, it doesn't take much time.

By one metric -- adjusted yards per attempt -- Drew Bledsoe has been a below average QB for his career.

0 = league average.

1993 nwe -4291994 nwe -3781995 nwe -7661996 nwe 2281997 nwe 3301998 nwe 4161999 nwe 1932000 nwe -1402001 nwe -432002 buf 4192003 buf -1922004 buf -3192005 dal 217Total: -464.The first three seasons of his career, Bledsoe has a 67.9 QB Rating. People usually forget about how bad he was back then, and by doing that, it makes his HOF case a bit more compelling. If you factor in his whole career, I think he pretty clearly falls out of consideration and at best was an average starting QB for his whole career. He's only had what I would consider to be three very good sesaons, and certainly no great or unbelievable seasons. A clear no in my book.

Additionally, the above stats only look at him as a passer. And Drew Bledsoe the quarterback is certainly less impressive than Drew Bledsoe the passer, since passing is Bledsoe's strongest asset (as opposed to pocket presence/ability to avoid the rush, and mobility/being a rushing QB). Adding in Bledsoe's penchats for sacks and his lack of rushing yards, and he's not a HOF by my definition.
Well, fortunately or unfortunately we don't use your definition to decide who is in the hall of fame.I'm not sure if he will get in, but he does have certain counting stats that hall of fame voters love. yards, completions, longevity, pro bowls, superbowls, etc.

I think he ranks up there in this era with Troy Aikman and Jim Kelly, both hall of famers.

 
I'm sorry, what has Bledsoe actually accomplished in the post season? Was he on the podium accepting SB MVP trophies when NE won 3 SBs? Did he win the SB he actually started in?

He is a prime example of a QB that has had a long career playing in the pass happy/friendly era of the NFL we have been in for the past 25 years. Nothing special about him.

 
I'm sorry, what has Bledsoe actually accomplished in the post season? Was he on the podium accepting SB MVP trophies when NE won 3 SBs? Did he win the SB he actually started in? He is a prime example of a QB that has had a long career playing in the pass happy/friendly era of the NFL we have been in for the past 25 years. Nothing special about him.
Nothing special besides passing for over 40,000 yards and 250 touchdowns.Hate on the man if you want, but he has had an excellent, long career. Hall of Fame or not.
 
Chase's attempts at debunking arguments via poor use of statistics needs to be stopped.

He is like some Dodds / Drinen lovechild who does regression analysis on D&D 20 sided dice rolls.

 
Let's play a quick little game, which of these is unlike the others:

Career rank: ATT/CMP/YDS/TD/INT:

QB1:6/6/6/8/4

QB2:10/10/11/9/25

Bledsoe:5/5/7/13/22

Note that QB 1 & QB 2 are retired, and that when they retired they ranked roughly:

QB1:7/6/6/8/4

QB2:7/7/8/7/22

I didn't see QB ratings on the pro-football-reference, but I'm pretty sure QB2 leads in that category.

There's not a whole lot of difference here. And none of these guys are serious HoF threats - or if they are, people are going to have lot of explaining to do.

The point is that's there really none of them that are unlike the others, and the offensive inflation that he's had his whole career simply makes the counting stats nicer.

4 pro bowls doesn't do a thing for me, it indicates he wan't good enough to be elite in his own CONFERENCE enough.

QB1: Testaverde

QB2: Krieg

 
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I'm sorry, what has Bledsoe actually accomplished in the post season? Was he on the podium accepting SB MVP trophies when NE won 3 SBs? Did he win the SB he actually started in? He is a prime example of a QB that has had a long career playing in the pass happy/friendly era of the NFL we have been in for the past 25 years. Nothing special about him.
Nothing special besides passing for over 40,000 yards and 250 touchdowns.Hate on the man if you want, but he has had an excellent, long career. Hall of Fame or not.
So what? That avg out over his 14 seasons minus a couple for injuries to around 20 TDs per game...about 1 a week. Are we putting people into the HOF for being average? He threw for 30+ TDs how many times? How many? NONE!!!You look at the other QBs of his era...Favre, Young, Marino, Manning, McNabb, Aikman(3 SB wins), Elway, Kelly...there just is no way he can measure up to those guys...you either have to win a couple of SB or you have to blow away the stats dept the way Marino did. He's not even close.
 
his final career numbers will make plenty of people argue for his inclusion, but I think he'll be left out without the benefit of a Bettis-like twilight to his career. that doesn't appear to very likely to happen this year though.

he's very borderline, but I'd vote no because I think he winds up hurting his team as much as he helps them a lot of times.

 
I think Bledsoe will be in the NFL Hall of Fame, but would like to hear some arguments against him.

Here are the arguments for:

He has a 14 year career, with 5 pro-bowls under his belt. He is in the top 10 all time in passing yards and will soon be in the top 10 in passing TD's. He is in the top 5 all time in pass attempts and pass completions.

He also has 2 Super Bowl appearances.

And one Super Bowl ring.

He is likely on his way to a third Super Bowl appearance this year.

That should not only be enough to get him in, it should be enough to make him a first ballot HOFer.

The only things against him are that he's not some folk-hero like Brett Favre who stayed with the same team his whole career. The fact that he moved around a little will likely work against him.
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I guess Drew bought his tickets early this year. :D
 
his final career numbers will make plenty of people argue for his inclusion, but I think he'll be left out without the benefit of a Bettis-like twilight to his career. that doesn't appear to very likely to happen this year though.he's very borderline, but I'd vote no because I think he winds up hurting his team as much as he helps them a lot of times.
Drew is the biggest tease in the NFL.He'll put up greawt numbers between the 20s, but turns it over more than he scores in the red zone because he can not process info quickly.No way does he belong in the Hall of Fame.
 
I'm sorry, what has Bledsoe actually accomplished in the post season? Was he on the podium accepting SB MVP trophies when NE won 3 SBs? Did he win the SB he actually started in? He is a prime example of a QB that has had a long career playing in the pass happy/friendly era of the NFL we have been in for the past 25 years. Nothing special about him.
Nothing special besides passing for over 40,000 yards and 250 touchdowns.Hate on the man if you want, but he has had an excellent, long career. Hall of Fame or not.
So what? That avg out over his 14 seasons minus a couple for injuries to around 20 TDs per game...about 1 a week. Are we putting people into the HOF for being average? He threw for 30+ TDs how many times? How many? NONE!!!You look at the other QBs of his era...Favre, Young, Marino, Manning, McNabb, Aikman(3 SB wins), Elway, Kelly...there just is no way he can measure up to those guys...you either have to win a couple of SB or you have to blow away the stats dept the way Marino did. He's not even close.
Longevity means something. Whether you want to admit it or not. Being an average or slightly above average quarterback for a long time means something. Does it mean he is a hall of famer? Perhaps not.The man has only been hurt once, and he missed almost an entire year beacuse of it. He has played 14 seasons and has compiled many yards and many TDs. Did he have any great years? nope. Does he have alot of playoff wins and/or success. Not really.He has thrown the ball a crap load of times. He has completed alot of passes. He has also thrown alot of interceptions. However, there are few QBs who have been able to stay healthy enough and play well enough as long as Drew has.
 
I wouldn't have said he had a chance until this past year when Warren Moon got in. If you look at the QBs in the HOF, each "era" (loosly 15 years) has about 5 or 6. The previous "era" (mid 80s-00) had: Aikman, Elway, Kelley, Marino, Moon, and Young. I would say the current "era" would include: P. Manning, T. Brady, and Brett Favre. Who else could be added? McNabb? I'd say Bledsoe will probably will be this era's Warren Moon.

 
Longevity means something. Whether you want to admit it or not. Being an average or slightly above average quarterback for a long time means something. Does it mean he is a hall of famer? Perhaps not.The man has only been hurt once, and he missed almost an entire year beacuse of it. He has played 14 seasons and has compiled many yards and many TDs. Did he have any great years? nope. Does he have alot of playoff wins and/or success. Not really.He has thrown the ball a crap load of times. He has completed alot of passes. He has also thrown alot of interceptions. However, there are few QBs who have been able to stay healthy enough and play well enough as long as Drew has.
Longevity only means something if you have been a great player over the long haul in the NFL, which Bledsoe has not. Was there ever a time was Bledsoe was considered the best or even one of the three or four best quarterback in the NFL? I think not. He is the king of quarterbacks who compiled numbers because of a long career, but was never great or one of the best.
 
I wouldn't have said he had a chance until this past year when Warren Moon got in. If you look at the QBs in the HOF, each "era" (loosly 15 years) has about 5 or 6. The previous "era" (mid 80s-00) had: Aikman, Elway, Kelley, Marino, Moon, and Young. I would say the current "era" would include: P. Manning, T. Brady, and Brett Favre. Who else could be added? McNabb? I'd say Bledsoe will probably will be this era's Warren Moon.
I'd much rather have Moon in his prime QB'ing for me in "crunch time" than I would Bledsoe.
 
I wouldn't have said he had a chance until this past year when Warren Moon got in. If you look at the QBs in the HOF, each "era" (loosly 15 years) has about 5 or 6. The previous "era" (mid 80s-00) had: Aikman, Elway, Kelley, Marino, Moon, and Young. I would say the current "era" would include: P. Manning, T. Brady, and Brett Favre. Who else could be added? McNabb? I'd say Bledsoe will probably will be this era's Warren Moon.
I'd much rather have Moon in his prime QB'ing for me in "crunch time" than I would Bledsoe.
:goodposting: By ten miles
 
Moon got in because he helped pave the way for today's black QBs.

Bledsoe had nowhere near the same impact on the game.

 
I know you're fishing, but since I already posted this in another thread, it doesn't take much time.

By one metric -- adjusted yards per attempt -- Drew Bledsoe has been a below average QB for his career.

0 = league average.

1993 nwe -4291994 nwe -3781995 nwe -7661996 nwe 2281997 nwe 3301998 nwe 4161999 nwe 1932000 nwe -1402001 nwe -432002 buf 4192003 buf -1922004 buf -3192005 dal 217Total: -464.The first three seasons of his career, Bledsoe has a 67.9 QB Rating. People usually forget about how bad he was back then, and by doing that, it makes his HOF case a bit more compelling. If you factor in his whole career, I think he pretty clearly falls out of consideration and at best was an average starting QB for his whole career. He's only had what I would consider to be three very good sesaons, and certainly no great or unbelievable seasons. A clear no in my book.

Additionally, the above stats only look at him as a passer. And Drew Bledsoe the quarterback is certainly less impressive than Drew Bledsoe the passer, since passing is Bledsoe's strongest asset (as opposed to pocket presence/ability to avoid the rush, and mobility/being a rushing QB). Adding in Bledsoe's penchats for sacks and his lack of rushing yards, and he's not a HOF by my definition.
He was so bad that the team depended on him to throw the ball an average of 650 times from 94-96, including an NFL record 691 times in his 2nd year? I don't think AYPA means what you think it does, especially for a QB expected to throw the ball as much as Bledsoe.Bledsoe also helped turn around a Patriots team that was a joke of the NFL - the 4 years before he was drafted they were 5-11, 1-15, 6-10, and 2-14. After he got there they went 5-11, 10-6, 6-10, 11-5, making the Super Bowl in his 4th year and turning the Patriots into a respectable team.

 
I know you're fishing, but since I already posted this in another thread, it doesn't take much time.By one metric -- adjusted yards per attempt -- Drew Bledsoe has been a below average QB for his career.0 = league average.

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1993	nwe	-4291994	nwe	-3781995	nwe	-7661996	nwe	2281997	nwe	3301998	nwe	4161999	nwe	1932000	nwe	-1402001	nwe	-432002	buf	4192003	buf	-1922004	buf	-3192005	dal	217
Total: -464.
:lmao: ok.
 
whoever started this thread finally is saying what a lot of us have been thinking. Year in and year out, who continues to rack up the big yardage and lead his team to victories? Bledsoe. He might need to play one more season, but even without he should get in pretty easily

 
Longevity means something. Whether you want to admit it or not. Being an average or slightly above average quarterback for a long time means something. Does it mean he is a hall of famer? Perhaps not.The man has only been hurt once, and he missed almost an entire year beacuse of it. He has played 14 seasons and has compiled many yards and many TDs. Did he have any great years? nope. Does he have alot of playoff wins and/or success. Not really.He has thrown the ball a crap load of times. He has completed alot of passes. He has also thrown alot of interceptions. However, there are few QBs who have been able to stay healthy enough and play well enough as long as Drew has.
Longevity only means something if you have been a great player over the long haul in the NFL, which Bledsoe has not. Was there ever a time was Bledsoe was considered the best or even one of the three or four best quarterback in the NFL? I think not. He is the king of quarterbacks who compiled numbers because of a long career, but was never great or one of the best.
I think OP addressed with point when he mentioned the 5 pro bowls.
 
I know you're fishing, but since I already posted this in another thread, it doesn't take much time.

By one metric -- adjusted yards per attempt -- Drew Bledsoe has been a below average QB for his career.

0 = league average.

1993 nwe -4291994 nwe -3781995 nwe -7661996 nwe 2281997 nwe 3301998 nwe 4161999 nwe 1932000 nwe -1402001 nwe -432002 buf 4192003 buf -1922004 buf -3192005 dal 217Total: -464.The first three seasons of his career, Bledsoe has a 67.9 QB Rating. People usually forget about how bad he was back then, and by doing that, it makes his HOF case a bit more compelling. If you factor in his whole career, I think he pretty clearly falls out of consideration and at best was an average starting QB for his whole career. He's only had what I would consider to be three very good sesaons, and certainly no great or unbelievable seasons. A clear no in my book.

Additionally, the above stats only look at him as a passer. And Drew Bledsoe the quarterback is certainly less impressive than Drew Bledsoe the passer, since passing is Bledsoe's strongest asset (as opposed to pocket presence/ability to avoid the rush, and mobility/being a rushing QB). Adding in Bledsoe's penchats for sacks and his lack of rushing yards, and he's not a HOF by my definition.
He was so bad that the team depended on him to throw the ball an average of 650 times from 94-96, including an NFL record 691 times in his 2nd year? I don't think AYPA means what you think it does, especially for a QB expected to throw the ball as much as Bledsoe.Bledsoe also helped turn around a Patriots team that was a joke of the NFL - the 4 years before he was drafted they were 5-11, 1-15, 6-10, and 2-14. After he got there they went 5-11, 10-6, 6-10, 11-5, making the Super Bowl in his 4th year and turning the Patriots into a respectable team.
Don't blame him for being ignorant of the situation, he was like, 6 years old then. Clearly, this is the problem of numbers without context. New England had zero talent when he came to that team. He was a rare junior QB entry into the NFL that had success. They made the playoffs in his second year. He wasn't horrible. That is simply wrong.However, before anyone digs up too many facts one way or the other, remember the source. Joe T is man who brought us Jerry Rice- No HOF thread.

Bagger- your quote was pure genius.

 
Longevity means something. Whether you want to admit it or not. Being an average or slightly above average quarterback for a long time means something. Does it mean he is a hall of famer? Perhaps not.The man has only been hurt once, and he missed almost an entire year beacuse of it. He has played 14 seasons and has compiled many yards and many TDs. Did he have any great years? nope. Does he have alot of playoff wins and/or success. Not really.He has thrown the ball a crap load of times. He has completed alot of passes. He has also thrown alot of interceptions. However, there are few QBs who have been able to stay healthy enough and play well enough as long as Drew has.
Longevity only means something if you have been a great player over the long haul in the NFL, which Bledsoe has not. Was there ever a time was Bledsoe was considered the best or even one of the three or four best quarterback in the NFL? I think not. He is the king of quarterbacks who compiled numbers because of a long career, but was never great or one of the best.
I think OP addressed with point when he mentioned the 5 pro bowls.
Gus Frerotte went to the Pro Bowl in 1996. To me, the Pro Bowl selections are like the Coach's Poll in college football. They're given a lot more weight than they deserve because the people who vote in them, while experts in the subject matter, don't have the time to actually go and watch all of those other games that you'd need to watch to see each players' season-long performance. There's, in short, too much emphasis on reputation and not enough on actual performance year to year.
 
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Moon got in because he helped pave the way for today's black QBs.Bledsoe had nowhere near the same impact on the game.
Moon got in because he was a great QB.
I also think Moon's Canadian stats had something to do with it. It might not have been one of the foremost reasons, but (until recently when Damon Allen passed him, I believe) Moon had thrown for more yards in his career than any other professional QB. So that couldn't have hurt.Back on topic, there is no way Bledsoe is a Hall of Famer in my opinion. He has been anywhere from mediocre to good in his career, but nothing more. The stats accumulated over a long career don't get it done - this isn't baseball where you get your ticket punched to Cooperstown for reaching some numerical milestone.
 
Moon got in because he helped pave the way for today's black QBs.

Bledsoe had nowhere near the same impact on the game.
Moon got in because he was a great QB.
I also think Moon's Canadian stats had something to do with it. It might not have been one of the foremost reasons, but (until recently when Damon Allen passed him, I believe) Moon had thrown for more yards in his career than any other professional QB. So that couldn't have hurt.Back on topic, there is no way Bledsoe is a Hall of Famer in my opinion. He has been anywhere from mediocre to good in his career, but nothing more. The stats accumulated over a long career don't get it done - this isn't baseball where you get your ticket punched to Cooperstown for reaching some numerical milestone.
Key sentence in this entire thread. If Bledsoe were a baseball player, he'd likely be a HOFer.
 
I don't think the comparisons to Testeverde are fair and if he should be compared to a non-HOF QB it's Boomer Esiason.

 
More on Moon vs. Bledsoe.

Fantasy rankings and VBD aren't perfect for measuring real life production, but they aren't a bad place to start. From pro-football-reference.com, Bledsoe's career VBD and fantasy rankings:

Year Value Pos. Rank Overall Rank--------------------------------------------------1993 0 16 1511994 84 4 141995 0 20 1001996 96 6 141997 52 6 321998 17 11 531999 34 8 412000 0 13 802001 0 44 4792002 52 5 312003 0 21 2602004 0 19 1612005 14 6 542006 0 20 145-------------------------------------------------- 348Moon:
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Year		Value		Pos. Rank	Overall Rank--------------------------------------------------1984		   0			12			 781985		   0			18			1471986		   0			12			 751987		  67			 7			 181988		   0			13			 811989		  65			 5			 241990		 169			 2			  21991		 124			 1			  41992		   0			13			 811993		  40			 4			 311994		  51			 6			 301995		 103			 3			 131996		   0			34			3471997		  42			 7			 361998		   0			27			3841999		   0			70			4982000		   0			53			457--------------------------------------------------			 662
Moon almost doubled Bledsoe's career VBD. And he finished in the top 5 and top 10 more often.Moon played in 9 Pro Bowls to Bledsoe's 4, and it seems unlikely Bledsoe will add to that total.

Moon was a better athlete and contributed 543/1736/22 rushing, compared to Bledsoe's 384/763/9 so far.

Also, compare their career postseason performances:

Moon (10 games): 259/403 (64.3%) for 2834 passing yards (7.03 ypa), 17 passing TDs, and 14 interceptions

Bledsoe (7 games): 129/252 (51.2%) for 1335 passing yards (5.30 ypa), 6 passing TDs, and 12 interceptions

No contest there.

Even in the year Bledsoe started in the Super Bowl, here were his stats for the postseason: 59/105 (56.2%) for 595 yards (5.67 ypa), 3 passing TDs, and 7 interceptions. He had more interceptions than TDs in all 3 games of that postseason. I can't see giving him credit over Moon for reaching the Super Bowl considering how poorly he played.

Bledsoe is not in Moon's class.

Somone mentioned Aikman earlier. IMO Moon and Aikman are good examples of the primary two ways players can earn their way into the HOF. One way is to have good statistical accomplishments and great postseason success. That is Aikman. The other is to have little postseason success but great statistics for a long period of time. Moon is obviously the latter. Bledsoe doesn't qualify as either.

 
Only HOF-type qb I saw in the Dallas-Philly game yesterday was McNabb.
Bledsoe would look good too throwing into that terrible Dallas Secondary!Mcnabb still has a lot to prove before getting to the HOF! Mcnabb is not a HOF type QB yet, just because he won 4 NFC Championships doesn't mean he belongs in the HOF! If we are giving away entry into the HOF, then I guess Danny White and Joe Theisman belong there too. Danny White has 5 NFC titles(3 As a starter) and Theisman has 2.
 

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