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Droughns vs. Griffin (1 Viewer)

And according to your earlier 18/65 you don't think he'll rush for 70, 80, or 90 either. So sack up.
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Do you understand the concept of a projection? Yeh, I think he'll be around 65 yards. I dont think he'll hit 100, and i'd bet on that. I dont think he'll hit 90 or 80 either, but I wouldnt be shocked. You on the other hand havent even had the guts to say what you think. All this going around in circles is old. Im on the record. Maybe im right, maybe im wrong.
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:rotflmao: You backpeddled in this thread faster than Champ Bailey.
 
I guess I'm missing something.If someone asks me to make a guess at what a RB will do this week, and I think he'll get 70 yards, that doesn't mean that if I had to make an over/under bet I'd put the number at 70. That would be stupid.
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WHOAH now! Take that common sense somewhere else!;)Seriously, if there was to be a bet, it should have an over / under of say, 16 points based on 1/10 and 6 per TD. (100 yards and a TD for the baseline)
 
You would think he couldn't have seen much out of Griffin in that short time. However, maybe he made his mind up early based upon the injury status of Griffin? Maybe he is going to start Griffin because he's healthy? I'm playing devil's advocate, and I hope and think Droughns is the starter.
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I think this may be right on the money. I actually have Droughns on the bench, so my bias is towards him, but based on the comment, I think it's more likely that the decision was made easier for Shanahan, simply b/c the "starting" RB is back and healthy. He also doesn't want to crush the psyche of Griffin right away either. We'll see.
 
Nothing personal, but I hope he stumbles pretty bad this week and I can trade THenry for him. At this point 1/2 a Denver back is worth more than Henry! :P

 
To add a little perspective to this:Droughns has played for the last 3 years. He had 40 carries for 97 yards and 1 TD. That's a 2.4 yd/rush average prior to this one game. This is the 3rd year he has been with Denver. They had released each year and then ended up resigning him later. He was a free agent each time and no other team tried to pick him up. That shows how much Denver and every other team thought of him.

 
To add a little perspective to this:Droughns has played for the last 3 years. He had 40 carries for 97 yards and 1 TD. That's a 2.4 yd/rush average prior to this one game. This is the 3rd year he has been with Denver. They had released each year and then ended up resigning him later. He was a free agent each time and no other team tried to pick him up. That shows how much Denver and every other team thought of him.
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:goodposting: Thanks nimsowner. I feel better about Q now. Now back to hounding the Bell owner...
 
To add a little perspective to this:Droughns has played for the last 3 years. He had 40 carries for 97 yards and 1 TD. That's a 2.4 yd/rush average prior to this one game. This is the 3rd year he has been with Denver. They had released each year and then ended up resigning him later. He was a free agent each time and no other team tried to pick him up. That shows how much Denver and every other team thought of him.
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So why would Mike Shanahan give such a scrub the start last week? Why not put in the flashy rookie, Tatum Bell???I fail to see how your post adds perspective to this thread? :confused: There was a time too when all NFL teams thought little of Priest Holmes, so little that nobody chose to draft him at all. Now before you roll your eyes at me and accuse me of comparing Droughns to Priest Holmes, I'm not. I'm simply stating that people change and become better players and slowly the perceptions of that player change too. Nobody in Denver seems shocked Droughns did well. If Droughs was as bad as you make it seem he would never have started last week, much less rack up 211 total yards on the day.
 
So why would Mike Shanahan give such a scrub the start last week? Why not put in the flashy rookie, Tatum Bell???I fail to see how your post adds perspective to this thread? :confused: There was a time too when all NFL teams thought little of Priest Holmes, so little that nobody chose to draft him at all. Now before you roll your eyes at me and accuse me of comparing Droughns to Priest Holmes, I'm not. I'm simply stating that people change and become better players and slowly the perceptions of that player change too. Nobody in Denver seems shocked Droughns did well. If Droughs was as bad as you make it seem he would never have started last week, much less rack up 211 total yards on the day.
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Pay attention class. This is when you go to the "clickable smiles" section to your left and click on the :goodposting: icon.Now lets all get together for a class :pics:
 
Perspective: 3 years playing vs 1 game.Denver released him on 3 Mar 2004 as an unconditional free agent.They did that because they thought he was their next Davis?

 
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To add a little perspective to this:Droughns has played for the last 3 years. He had 40 carries for 97 yards and 1 TD. That's a 2.4 yd/rush average prior to this one game. This is the 3rd year he has been with Denver. They had released each year and then ended up resigning him later. He was a free agent each time and no other team tried to pick him up. That shows how much Denver and every other team thought of him.
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And that leads back to the run blocking. In two games the run blocking has been lights out. In three games, it's been well below Denver standards. These observations are now being reflected in more and more media outlets. In the early Q debates the poor run blocking was pointed out time and again, yet many were in denial and called for the benching of Q.Well, we need to sit and watch. I believe Q and Droughns will be sharing the carries depending on the situation. Q may be the 1st and 2nd down back and Droughns will handle the short yardage and goal line. I don't think this is a true committee approach as they will be used in two back sets to complement one another. On critical short yardage Droughns could be used at the TB position and one of the big TEs used ad FB, as pointed out in a previous post.That's my observation as a Q owner. More realist than optimist.
 
So why would Mike Shanahan give Olandis Gary the start last week? Why not put in the flashy rookie, Clinton Portisl???
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Corrected for historical perspective.See, isn't a small sample size fun?

Stay tuned next week for when we're discussing how Garrison Hearst racked up 150 yards.......

 
Here is a great comparison:Ruben Droughns 2004=Moe Williams 2003Think about it.....Moe 6-1 205 29 years old (last season)Droughns 5-11 207 26 years old1. While not necessarily "explosive," both are solid and dependable players.2. Both are "journeymen" who have bounced around the NFL3. Both can catch, block, and know the system4. Both are good short yardage backs5. Both are straight ahead, downhill runners6. MOST IMPORTANTLY: Both play in great systemsMoe Williams 2003 stats:Att 174 RuYds 745 4.3 ypc 5 TDRec. 65 RecYds 644 3 TDAll last season, people continually doubted Moe Williams. Moe wasn't flashy, but he put a career year together and finished as the #13 RB in a basic scoring system, and he didn't even start every game. Everyone was hyping Bennett and Onterrio (insert Griffin and Bell), but Moe was very productive all year.Thoughts?

 
I believe Q and Droughns will be sharing the carries depending on the situation. Q may be the 1st and 2nd down back and Droughns will handle the short yardage and goal line. I don't think this is a true committee approach as they will be used in two back sets to complement one another. On critical short yardage Droughns could be used at the TB position and one of the big TEs used ad FB, as pointed out in a previous post.That's my observation as a Q owner. More realist than optimist.
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You keep telling yourself that ;) There's a new sheriff in town and his name is RUEBEN DROUGHNS !!!!
 
I believe Q and Droughns will be sharing the carries depending on the situation. Q may be the 1st and 2nd down back and Droughns will handle the short yardage and goal line. I don't think this is a true committee approach as they will be used in two back sets to complement one another. On critical short yardage Droughns could be used at the TB position and one of the big TEs used ad FB, as pointed out in a previous post.That's my observation as a Q owner. More realist than optimist.
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You keep telling yourself that ;) There's a new sheriff in town and his name is RUEBEN DROUGHNS !!!!
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Well, my scenario isn't good for either back. But I wouldn't be surprised if Droughns became the stud. Nothing will surprise me anymore where Denver backs are concerned.
 
I believe Q and Droughns will be sharing the carries depending on the situation.  Q may be the 1st and 2nd down back and Droughns will handle the short yardage and goal line.  I don't think this is a true committee approach as they will be used in two back sets to complement one another.  On critical short yardage Droughns could be used at the TB position and one of the big TEs used ad FB, as pointed out in a previous post.That's my observation as a Q owner.  More realist than optimist.
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You keep telling yourself that ;) There's a new sheriff in town and his name is RUEBEN DROUGHNS !!!!
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Well, my scenario isn't good for either back. But I wouldn't be surprised if Droughns became the stud. Nothing will surprise me anymore where Denver backs are concerned.
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Then again, what the hell do I know :P
 
To add a little perspective to this:Droughns has played for the last 3 years. He had 40 carries for 97 yards and 1 TD. That's a 2.4 yd/rush average prior to this one game. This is the 3rd year he has been with Denver. They had released each year and then ended up resigning him later. He was a free agent each time and no other team tried to pick him up. That shows how much Denver and every other team thought of him.
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So why would Mike Shanahan give such a scrub the start last week? Why not put in the flashy rookie, Tatum Bell???I fail to see how your post adds perspective to this thread? :confused: There was a time too when all NFL teams thought little of Priest Holmes, so little that nobody chose to draft him at all. Now before you roll your eyes at me and accuse me of comparing Droughns to Priest Holmes, I'm not. I'm simply stating that people change and become better players and slowly the perceptions of that player change too. Nobody in Denver seems shocked Droughns did well. If Droughs was as bad as you make it seem he would never have started last week, much less rack up 211 total yards on the day.
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This thread is getting ridiculous. Really, the only ones making sense in this thread that is mbuehner and the guy who pointed out how everyone dismissed Griffin's performance against a poor run def but is creaming their pants over the performance of Droughns against a poor run def.Your Priest Holmes point is meaningless. There are a lot of guys who were misjudged by the scouts. Terrell Davis was a 6th round pick. (i think). Droughns is a solid utility back capable of the occasional big performance IMO. I just find it interesting that everyone has consistently dismissed Griffin's nice performances as being a product of playing against poor run defense (Indy last year, KC this year) yet suddenly a journeyman fullback under almost identical circumstances is lauded as the next big thing? Makes no sense.
 
Sorry to say not a whole lot to report. Mostly about Q and his availability now that he's past the ankle. Not even Droughns hi-lite clip. They also reiterated Shanny playing the starter decision close to the vest.Nothing to see here....move along.

 
I don't know who starts but I'm thinking that if Griff gets the start and majority of the carries you can expect him to remain the starter the rest of the year barring injuries, sloppy or bad play. If Shanny was looking for a reason to make a change this would be the perfect opportunity to do so. No one would question a change after Droughns performance. Nor do I think mild spoken Griff would make a fuss.If Griff does not get the start (assumming it's not due to injury) he may have a difficult time getting it back.What I find curious and somewhat surprising is Bell's lack of opportunities last week. This would of been an excellent chance to see what he has. I don't understand what's going on there.My guess is Griff is still the Shanny's guy.

 
What I find curious and somewhat surprising is Bell's lack of opportunities last week. This would of been an excellent chance to see what he has.
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The game was in the balance until the last couple of minutes. There was no way Shanny was going to start experimenting with the rookie, when Droughns was already running well.
 
Someone mentioned earlier in this thread that Denver was playing a better Defense this week. Am I reading the schedule wrong? I thought I was the Raiders on there. The same Raiders that gave up $1.25 and change to Edge last week.Ok, sorry, this was a shameless attempt to get my man Edge some love....Colts homer~In all seriousness, I think nothing will be clear about this until halftime Sunday.My hopes are that Q gets another chance this week. But how do you go away from 193 yards and big Rube?!

 
What I find curious and somewhat surprising is Bell's lack of opportunities last week. This would of been an excellent chance to see what he has. I don't understand what's going on there.My guess is Griff is still the Shanny's guy.
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Shhhhhhhh! You'll wake the Bell pimps with all their excuses. That's all this nightmare of a thread needs.Yet I am curiously drawn to it like a moth to a flame. You gotta love a good train wreck. :popcorn:
 
Someone mentioned earlier in this thread that Denver was playing a better Defense this week. Am I reading the schedule wrong? I thought I was the Raiders on there. The same Raiders that gave up $1.25 and change to Edge last week.
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Raiders are 18th against the run yardage-wise and 24th fantasy-points-wise
 
My guess is Griff is still the Shanny's guy.
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Now who would have thought that you would have posted something like this? :rolleyes:
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I know you're taking a jab at me but you gotta remember I also own Bell so it has nothing to do with which one gets the rock. I base my opinion on how things have transpired to date. I think the next move will be very telling as to what Shanny really thinks of Griff.This is the perfect chance for him to make a change and most would understand why he did. I still cannot figure out why Bell hasn't seen more carries. Last week would have been the perfect situation. In fact I started Bell last week thinking he might get 10 carries and blow the Panthers up. Clearly, the coaches do not have confidence in him or there an injury we are not aware of. Just doen't make sense so far.
 
I'd be really surprised if they didn't split carries. Going back to the TB game (when Griffin was healthy) Droughns was getting more involved in the offense - 8 for 20 (and 21 for 66 for Griffin). Droughns was used in a few short yardage situations (not a surprise) but also was used to spell Griffin on a few series during the game. Neither back had a huge day, but this was against TB, not KC or Carolina. And for what it's worth, during Denver's last 4Q 7min run-out-the-clock drive Griffin had 9 carries to Droughn's 1. This week Shanahan will use both to maximize the effectiveness of the running game. If Grifffin is making his cuts, hitting the holes for 4,5 or 6 yards a carry, he should see the majority of the touches with Droughns used to spell him for a series or two and also coming in for 3rd downs and short yardage situations. If Griffin struggles or is hobbled, Droughns will see the ball more - and this is probably the only way he'll have a "fantasy worthy" day. And don't forget Bell, who will get a few chances to show what he's got.

 
I'd be really surprised if they didn't split carries. Going back to the TB game (when Griffin was healthy) Droughns was getting more involved in the offense - 8 for 20 (and 21 for 66 for Griffin). Droughns was used in a few short yardage situations (not a surprise) but also was used to spell Griffin on a few series during the game. Neither back had a huge day, but this was against TB, not KC or Carolina. And for what it's worth, during Denver's last 4Q 7min run-out-the-clock drive Griffin had 9 carries to Droughn's 1. This week Shanahan will use both to maximize the effectiveness of the running game. If Grifffin is making his cuts, hitting the holes for 4,5 or 6 yards a carry, he should see the majority of the touches with Droughns used to spell him for a series or two and also coming in for 3rd downs and short yardage situations. If Griffin struggles or is hobbled, Droughns will see the ball more - and this is probably the only way he'll have a "fantasy worthy" day. And don't forget Bell, who will get a few chances to show what he's got.
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I disagree with the RBBC approach this week. Shanahan will make a decision on a starter and the chosen one will get 20+ carries.
 
I'd be really surprised if they didn't split carries. Going back to the TB game (when Griffin was healthy) Droughns was getting more involved in the offense - 8 for 20 (and 21 for 66 for Griffin). Droughns was used in a few short yardage situations (not a surprise) but also was used to spell Griffin on a few series during the game. Neither back had a huge day, but this was against TB, not KC or Carolina. And for what it's worth, during Denver's last 4Q 7min run-out-the-clock drive Griffin had 9 carries to Droughn's 1. This week Shanahan will use both to maximize the effectiveness of the running game. If Grifffin is making his cuts, hitting the holes for 4,5 or 6 yards a carry, he should see the majority of the touches with Droughns used to spell him for a series or two and also coming in for 3rd downs and short yardage situations. If Griffin struggles or is hobbled, Droughns will see the ball more - and this is probably the only way he'll have a "fantasy worthy" day. And don't forget Bell, who will get a few chances to show what he's got.
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I disagree with the RBBC approach this week. Shanahan will make a decision on a starter and the chosen one will get 20+ carries.
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Define "RBBC"I see 20 carries to one, 10 to the other, a couple to Bell.Seems to be a committee to me.I think it's smarter to go with the hot hand, if Droughns struggles this week, Griffin moves back up, but Rueben earned the right to at least the majority of carries in the 1st half.
 
I'd be really surprised if they didn't split carries.  Going back to the TB game (when Griffin was healthy) Droughns was getting more involved in the offense - 8 for 20 (and 21 for 66 for Griffin).  Droughns was used in a few short yardage situations (not a surprise) but also was used to spell Griffin on a few series during the game.  Neither back had a huge day, but this was against TB, not KC or Carolina.  And for what it's worth, during Denver's last 4Q 7min run-out-the-clock drive Griffin had 9 carries to Droughn's 1. This week Shanahan will use both to maximize the effectiveness of the running game.  If Grifffin is making his cuts, hitting the holes for 4,5 or 6 yards a carry, he should see the majority of the touches with Droughns used to spell him for a series or two and also coming in for 3rd downs and short yardage situations.  If Griffin struggles or is hobbled, Droughns will see the ball more - and this is probably the only way he'll have a "fantasy worthy" day.  And don't forget Bell, who will get a few chances to show what he's got.
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I disagree with the RBBC approach this week. Shanahan will make a decision on a starter and the chosen one will get 20+ carries.
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Define "RBBC"I see 20 carries to one, 10 to the other, a couple to Bell.Seems to be a committee to me.I think it's smarter to go with the hot hand, if Droughns struggles this week, Griffin moves back up, but Rueben earned the right to at least the majority of carries in the 1st half.
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RBBC to me means something close to 50/50. I wouldn't consider a 75/25 split RBBC.
 
I'd be really surprised if they didn't split carries.  Going back to the TB game (when Griffin was healthy) Droughns was getting more involved in the offense - 8 for 20 (and 21 for 66 for Griffin).  Droughns was used in a few short yardage situations (not a surprise) but also was used to spell Griffin on a few series during the game.  Neither back had a huge day, but this was against TB, not KC or Carolina.  And for what it's worth, during Denver's last 4Q 7min run-out-the-clock drive Griffin had 9 carries to Droughn's 1. This week Shanahan will use both to maximize the effectiveness of the running game.  If Grifffin is making his cuts, hitting the holes for 4,5 or 6 yards a carry, he should see the majority of the touches with Droughns used to spell him for a series or two and also coming in for 3rd downs and short yardage situations.  If Griffin struggles or is hobbled, Droughns will see the ball more - and this is probably the only way he'll have a "fantasy worthy" day.  And don't forget Bell, who will get a few chances to show what he's got.
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I disagree with the RBBC approach this week. Shanahan will make a decision on a starter and the chosen one will get 20+ carries.
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Define "RBBC"I see 20 carries to one, 10 to the other, a couple to Bell.Seems to be a committee to me.I think it's smarter to go with the hot hand, if Droughns struggles this week, Griffin moves back up, but Rueben earned the right to at least the majority of carries in the 1st half.
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The always reliable Shanahan said the following earlier this week: "Whoever is our starter would probably carry the ball 20 to 22 times a game, somewhere in that area. The guy that was backing him up might carry eight to 10 times, somewhere in that area."
 
I still cannot figure out why Bell hasn't seen more carries. Last week would have been the perfect situation.
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Are all Bell owners this clueless? :wall: 1) There was less than 1 TD in the game for the whole 4 QTR's.

2) Droughns was destroying the Panthers D and fast approaching 200 yds.

HOWEVER, you think Skeletor should give the rookie (who has had 6 career carries) the ball because this is the PERFECT situation? Are you serious? I can't think of a WORSE situation to give him the ball.

Bell owners = Delusional

 
Two things:A. While in a airport yesterday, and the ever-reliable USA Today said that Droughns would be the guy this weekB. With Edge on bye, and other issues, I will be starting both Q and Droughns this week so I just hope that one goes off on da raidas

 
I'm not sure Droughns deserves the start over Griffin. Griffin was Shanahan's go to guy down the stretch to protect a 3 point lead the week before against Tampa. Sure Droughns blew up last week, but that was against an terrible Carolina run D. Up until that point he'd shown little to show he deserved the ball any more than anyone else in Den. QG's speed and shiftyness is enough for him to warrant meaningful carries - as long as he can hold on to the ball.Bottom line, I don't think it's a forgone conclusion that Droughns is the Den back who's going to get 20 carries this week.Then again, it doesn't matter what I think - it matters what Shanahan thinks, and there I have no idea.

 
I'm not sure Droughns deserves the start over Griffin. Griffin was Shanahan's go to guy down the stretch to protect a 3 point lead the week before against Tampa. Sure Droughns blew up last week, but that was against an terrible Carolina run D. Up until that point he'd shown little to show he deserved the ball any more than anyone else in Den. QG's speed and shiftyness is enough for him to warrant meaningful carries - as long as he can hold on to the ball.Bottom line, I don't think it's a forgone conclusion that Droughns is the Den back who's going to get 20 carries this week.Then again, it doesn't matter what I think - it matters what Shanahan thinks, and there I have no idea.
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I agree with you that it isn't a foregone conclusion that Droughns will start, but I do think whoever gets the start, will get 20+ carries. That is something I'm 90% confident in.
 
Any news on this front after Friday's practice?
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Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still deadHas anyone looked at KFFL lately? Maybe I will check there to see if there's any news.
 
FWIW, I was just watching NFL Live and John Clayton said Quentin Griffin would be available as the backup on Sunday, and that with the success of Reuben Droughns, they couldn't take him out of the starting lineup.

 
I saw that report on NFL Live as well. He did not say where he got the information. I think at this point USA Today and Clayton are speculating. As a Droughns owner, I hope they are right, I plan to start him opposite McAllister instead of Barlow. Jamal Lewis is killing me! :wall:

 
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