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I need a camera ASAP and have been putting off purchasing one for over a year. I have been reviewing cameras on Amazon and found one that has risen to the top of the heap for price and performance.

Canon EOS Rebel T3

I'm ready to pull the trigger so I can have it this week in time for leaving on vacation Saturday.

I'm a novice when it comes to taking pictures but enjoy doing it and will probably latch onto the hobby quite a bit more with a decent camera.

Would this be the right choice for me? It appears that the automatic mode would be sufficient for me to start snapping away as I don't have much time to learn much about it before I need it for our vacation. Overall, are Rebel's relatively user friendly?

 
Overall, are Rebel's relatively user friendly?
Yes.Here's a way to save a little money, although if you're an amazon prime subscriber the shipping you need will probably mean purchasing from amazon makes more sense given your time frame....http://shop.usa.canon.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_10051_10051_283215_-1I highly recommend this lens to go with it, at the full price it's a bargain and at this price it's a must purchase...http://shop.usa.canon.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_10051_10051_269494_-1
 
I'm another rookie considering the switch to a DSLR camera. I saw this deal for a Canon T2i for $580 with free shipping. Is that a fairly good deal? It seems like most people agree that the lenses are what is most important...should I instead just focus my efforts on getting the cheapest (refurbished?) body to start or is there some value here?

 
I need a camera ASAP and have been putting off purchasing one for over a year. I have been reviewing cameras on Amazon and found one that has risen to the top of the heap for price and performance.

Canon EOS Rebel T3

I'm ready to pull the trigger so I can have it this week in time for leaving on vacation Saturday.

I'm a novice when it comes to taking pictures but enjoy doing it and will probably latch onto the hobby quite a bit more with a decent camera.

Would this be the right choice for me? It appears that the automatic mode would be sufficient for me to start snapping away as I don't have much time to learn much about it before I need it for our vacation. Overall, are Rebel's relatively user friendly?
I just purchased the Canon Rebel T3i for the wife for Xmas. Everyone I asked had nothing but good things to say about this camera.

Got a great deal through Abes of Maine. No tax or shipping costs - package deal that came with a zoom lens, UV filters, case and backup battery. Check out the site - it was the cheapest I came across after shopping around for about a month.

Edit to add: easy to use

 
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I need a camera ASAP and have been putting off purchasing one for over a year. I have been reviewing cameras on Amazon and found one that has risen to the top of the heap for price and performance.

Canon EOS Rebel T3

I'm ready to pull the trigger so I can have it this week in time for leaving on vacation Saturday.

I'm a novice when it comes to taking pictures but enjoy doing it and will probably latch onto the hobby quite a bit more with a decent camera.

Would this be the right choice for me? It appears that the automatic mode would be sufficient for me to start snapping away as I don't have much time to learn much about it before I need it for our vacation. Overall, are Rebel's relatively user friendly?
Ended up getting the Rebel T3 camera along with the EF-S 55-250mm lens. It arrived last night and I am already amazed (but not surprised) at the better picture quality over my crappy P&S that I have had for the past 2 years. Why didn't I do this long ago???
 
'paninaro said:
I'm another rookie considering the switch to a DSLR camera. I saw this deal for a Canon T2i for $580 with free shipping. Is that a fairly good deal? It seems like most people agree that the lenses are what is most important...should I instead just focus my efforts on getting the cheapest (refurbished?) body to start or is there some value here?
The very simplistic answer is that the lenses and camera body work hand in hand. When you're just starting out, going cheaper on the body and spending more on the lenses makes sense as everyone expects to upgrade their body eventually. Photography is a game of light and the body will, at it's most basic level, define the camera speed of traditional film (sensor) where the lens will determine the aperture (f stop). Most non-pro photographers don't need to concern themselves with either extreme end of the shutter speed spectrum as you won't be needing them in the majority of situations.That said, the cheaper bodies will have less sensitive sensors, meaning that generally speaking they will require more light be involved, whether it's from an external flash or from the dialed up aperture in the lens, to produce the same picture than some of the pro series cameras. That's the biggest difference you'll find between consumer, pro-sumer, and pro bodies. I had a T2i myself and got great photos with it and felt it was a good camera to act as an introduction to photography for me.

 
Love my Nikon D5100 which I've had for a few months now.

Only regret is that I didn't go with a single 18-200mm lens for convenience. The sucker is about $1K though. I use the 18-55mm kit lens and a 55-300mm zoom. Do almost everything with the 18-55mm. The 55-300 is huge and hard to lug around - don't have a camera bag that it fits into.

 
Has there been discussion yet on who is making better cameras nowadays: Canon or Nikon?
I'm no expert, but back when I was buying the difference was:Canon for sports (higher fps ~ continuous drive)Nikon for image qualityI think the gap has been closed since then and it comes down more to lens preference.
 
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Has there been discussion yet on who is making better cameras nowadays: Canon or Nikon?
I'm no expert, but back when I was buying the difference was:Canon for sports (higher fps ~ continuous drive)Nikon for image qualityI think the gap has been closed since then and it comes down more to lens preference.
All the stuff I've read says Nikon for still picture quality and Canon if you plan to shoot a lot of video because it's more adjustable in video mode.
 
Has there been discussion yet on who is making better cameras nowadays: Canon or Nikon?
I'm no expert, but back when I was buying the difference was:Canon for sports (higher fps ~ continuous drive)Nikon for image qualityI think the gap has been closed since then and it comes down more to lens preference.
All the stuff I've read says Nikon for still picture quality and Canon if you plan to shoot a lot of video because it's more adjustable in video mode.
I think the Sony dSLR's with the translucent mirror are better for video because they can adjust the focus without the mirror physically moving up and down as the subject moves. In terms of image quality, Nikon and Canon are both so great they are really 1a and 1b however you slice it. For that matter I don't really think Sony and Pentax are far behind.I agree with Jojo, research the lenses you would most like to use. Get the camera that works with those lenses.
 
Has there been discussion yet on who is making better cameras nowadays: Canon or Nikon?
I'm no expert, but back when I was buying the difference was:Canon for sports (higher fps ~ continuous drive)Nikon for image qualityI think the gap has been closed since then and it comes down more to lens preference.
All the stuff I've read says Nikon for still picture quality and Canon if you plan to shoot a lot of video because it's more adjustable in video mode.
I don't think anyone getting their first DSLR or non professionals for that matter, will be able to tell the difference in a photo what camera manufacturer it came from. They both make great cameras. Lens system is what sold me on Canon when I had to make the choice. At the time Canon offered a bigger variety of lenses and were also cheaper. Not sure if Canon is cheaper today or not. There is also an awesome Canon forum that everyone is really helpful to noobies.
 
OK, I've got a strange question for ya...

I need to shoot high speed video. The only consumer camera that seems to be able to shoot anything at 500fps is the Casio EX-F1. Are there any other DSLRs out there that can shoot at 500fps or better? Also, where can I find the ISO ratings for the EX-F1 in high speed video format.

I'd rather not spend $25k+ on a "real" high speed camera if I don't have to...

 
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OK, I've got a strange question for ya...I need to shoot high speed video. The only consumer camera that seems to be able to shoot anything at 500fps is the Casio EX-F1. Are there any other DSLRs out there that can shoot at 500fps or better? Also, where can I find the ISO ratings for the EX-F1 in high speed video format.I'd rather not spend $25k+ on a "real" high speed camera if I don't have to...
500 fps is insane, there are no DSLR cameras I know of that can capture at that rate
 
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I need to shoot high speed video. The only consumer camera that seems to be able to shoot anything at 500fps is the Casio EX-F1. Are there any other DSLRs out there that can shoot at 500fps or better?
Can you get your hands on a digital micromirror relatively inexpensively?
 
In other news, Nikon just unveiled the D800, shoots full frame 36 MP's. I've been waiting for news from Canon on the new 5D MKIII, but now Nikon has me looking their way. Should release in March for $3,000 (body only). :pics:

 
In other news, Nikon just unveiled the D800, shoots full frame 36 MP's. I've been waiting for news from Canon on the new 5D MKIII, but now Nikon has me looking their way. Should release in March for $3,000 (body only). :pics:
I've been watching this week too to see if Canon announced a new SLR. Weird that they announced a whole slew of P&S's and no SLR today. Maybe later this week. I'm not interested in a $3,000 camera... well, at least not in a practical way.
 
By the way, there was some discussion in here about 50mm prime lenses. After shooting a fair amount with my brother-in-law's 50mm (which is effectively 70mm if you're using a D90 or other non-full frame body), I ended up getting a 35mm. Way more versatile if you're shooting people indoors in low light conditions.

 
By the way, there was some discussion in here about 50mm prime lenses. After shooting a fair amount with my brother-in-law's 50mm (which is effectively 70mm if you're using a D90 or other non-full frame body), I ended up getting a 35mm. Way more versatile if you're shooting people indoors in low light conditions.
Agreed. When you add in the crop factor, I thought the 35mm made more sense than the 50mm for indoor shots.
 
In other news, Nikon just unveiled the D800, shoots full frame 36 MP's. I've been waiting for news from Canon on the new 5D MKIII, but now Nikon has me looking their way. Should release in March for $3,000 (body only). :pics:
I've been watching this week too to see if Canon announced a new SLR. Weird that they announced a whole slew of P&S's and no SLR today. Maybe later this week. I'm not interested in a $3,000 camera... well, at least not in a practical way.
I'm still shooting with an old D50, so I'm hoping that a new Nikon on the market will drop the prices of some of the more recent Nikon bodies so I can upgrade a little cheaper.
 
By the way, there was some discussion in here about 50mm prime lenses. After shooting a fair amount with my brother-in-law's 50mm (which is effectively 70mm if you're using a D90 or other non-full frame body), I ended up getting a 35mm. Way more versatile if you're shooting people indoors in low light conditions.
This is my dilemma. Hear great things about both the 50 and the 35. To me, if I set my kit lens to 50mm, I found things a little too tight while shooting the kids in my house. Was leaning 35 even before reading this.Thanks.
 
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'The Z Machine said:
OK, I've got a strange question for ya...I need to shoot high speed video. The only consumer camera that seems to be able to shoot anything at 500fps is the Casio EX-F1. Are there any other DSLRs out there that can shoot at 500fps or better? Also, where can I find the ISO ratings for the EX-F1 in high speed video format.I'd rather not spend $25k+ on a "real" high speed camera if I don't have to...
500 fps is insane, there are no DSLR cameras I know of that can capture at that rate
That's unfortunate. The cheapest option I've found thus far will do 900x700 pixels at 1000 fps and that's $12k bare bones. What's the sensor size (diagonal / pixel size) in a top-class DSLR? Also what's the minimum shutter speed?
 
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'Jojo the circus boy said:
'The Z Machine said:
OK, I've got a strange question for ya...I need to shoot high speed video. The only consumer camera that seems to be able to shoot anything at 500fps is the Casio EX-F1. Are there any other DSLRs out there that can shoot at 500fps or better? Also, where can I find the ISO ratings for the EX-F1 in high speed video format.I'd rather not spend $25k+ on a "real" high speed camera if I don't have to...
500 fps is insane, there are no DSLR cameras I know of that can capture at that rate
That's unfortunate. The cheapest option I've found thus far will do 900x700 pixels at 1000 fps and that's $12k bare bones. What's the sensor size (diagonal / pixel size) in a top-class DSLR? Also what's the minimum shutter speed?
Checkout the latest from Nikon and Canon:http://www.dpreview.com/
 
Nothing really to add except my wife and I absolutely love the T3I we got each other for the holidays.

Fantastic camera.

 
By the way, there was some discussion in here about 50mm prime lenses. After shooting a fair amount with my brother-in-law's 50mm (which is effectively 70mm if you're using a D90 or other non-full frame body), I ended up getting a 35mm. Way more versatile if you're shooting people indoors in low light conditions.
This is my dilemma. Hear great things about both the 50 and the 35. To me, if I set my kit lens to 50mm, I found things a little too tight while shooting the kids in my house. Was leaning 35 even before reading this.Thanks.
I love my 50mm 1.4, and have taken some of my best shots with it. For closeups of people and pets, it's perfect. That said, I will be buying a 35mm 1.8. Like you mention above, 50mm can be a little tight.
 
I'm gonna buy a new lens. I have a Canon Rebel T-3 with a 75-300, a 35-80 (.4m/1.3ft), and a 18-55 (macro 0.25/.08ft) lens. I want a wide angle zoom now because I take tons of pics of my kids sports teams. I use a mono pod with the 75-300, but of course it's really tight. I also have a problem sometimes with the auto focus taking too long (or not getting perfect focus) that causes me to miss shots. It's probably because I'm a clueless noob but I wanted to mention that. We are going to Disney soon so I want to move fairly quick. I want to buy new unless it's a big price difference for used. Any advice or thoughts on what I should get and where I should get the lens from would be much appreciated.

 
I'm gonna buy a new lens. I have a Canon Rebel T-3 with a 75-300, a 35-80 (.4m/1.3ft), and a 18-55 (macro 0.25/.08ft) lens. I want a wide angle zoom now because I take tons of pics of my kids sports teams. I use a mono pod with the 75-300, but of course it's really tight. I also have a problem sometimes with the auto focus taking too long (or not getting perfect focus) that causes me to miss shots. It's probably because I'm a clueless noob but I wanted to mention that. We are going to Disney soon so I want to move fairly quick. I want to buy new unless it's a big price difference for used. Any advice or thoughts on what I should get and where I should get the lens from would be much appreciated.
So, I'm confused. Do you want a better telephoto lens for sports shooting? The 75-300 is a poor lens; the Canon EF-S 55-250mm f/4.0-5.6 IS ($250) is much better optically, but might still be slow to focus. Do you set the camera to ai servo focus while shooting sports? The next step up is the Canon EF 70-300mm f/4-5.6 IS USM ($450) which has a better focus motor. Then there's the Canon EF 70-200mm f/4 L IS USM ($1200) and Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM ($2200). The f/2.8L is only really needed if you shoot indoor sports or at night.The 18-55mm should be fine for general shooting at Disney.In my experience, buying used isn't worth the very small discount compared to new. As far to where to buy, I'd stick to Amazon, Adorama, B&H Photo or your local camera store.
 
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I'm gonna buy a new lens. I have a Canon Rebel T-3 with a EF 75-300 1:4-5.6 III, a 35-80 (.4m/1.3ft), and a 18-55 (macro 0.25/.08ft) lens. I want a wide angle zoom now because I take tons of pics of my kids sports teams. I use a mono pod with the 75-300, but of course it's really tight. I also have a problem sometimes with the auto focus taking too long (or not getting perfect focus) that causes me to miss shots. It's probably because I'm a clueless noob but I wanted to mention that. We are going to Disney soon so I want to move fairly quick. I want to buy new unless it's a big price difference for used. Any advice or thoughts on what I should get and where I should get the lens from would be much appreciated.
So, I'm confused. Do you want a better telephoto lens for sports shooting? The 75-300 is a poor lens; the Canon EF-S 55-250mm f/4.0-5.6 IS ($250) is much better optically, but might still be slow to focus. Do you set the camera to ai servo focus while shooting sports? The next step up is the Canon EF 70-300mm f/4-5.6 IS USM ($450) which has a better focus motor. Then there's the Canon EF 70-200mm f/4 L IS USM ($1200) and Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM ($2200). The f/2.8L is only really needed if you shoot indoor sports or at night.The 18-55mm should be fine for general shooting at Disney.In my experience, buying used isn't worth the very small discount compared to new. As far to where to buy, I'd stick to Amazon, Adorama, B&H Photo or your local camera store.
I shoot a lot of indoor soccer and baseball. When I shoot indoor soccer I set it to the sports mode. I'm not sure what ai servo focus means. I really want the wide angle from my limited experience. I want to stay under a grand if possible. I'm just starting out with this hobby. I will probably take a class in the fall. Tell me about this 70-200. A friend of mine mentioned L series. Are there cheaper off brand lenses that are decent?Is the Canon Zoom Wide Angle-Telephoto EF 28-300mm f/3.5-5.6L IS USM Autofocus Lens something that would suit me? It's like a grand though.
 
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I'm gonna buy a new lens. I have a Canon Rebel T-3 with a EF 75-300 1:4-5.6 III, a 35-80 (.4m/1.3ft), and a 18-55 (macro 0.25/.08ft) lens. I want a wide angle zoom now because I take tons of pics of my kids sports teams. I use a mono pod with the 75-300, but of course it's really tight. I also have a problem sometimes with the auto focus taking too long (or not getting perfect focus) that causes me to miss shots. It's probably because I'm a clueless noob but I wanted to mention that. We are going to Disney soon so I want to move fairly quick. I want to buy new unless it's a big price difference for used. Any advice or thoughts on what I should get and where I should get the lens from would be much appreciated.
So, I'm confused. Do you want a better telephoto lens for sports shooting? The 75-300 is a poor lens; the Canon EF-S 55-250mm f/4.0-5.6 IS ($250) is much better optically, but might still be slow to focus. Do you set the camera to ai servo focus while shooting sports? The next step up is the Canon EF 70-300mm f/4-5.6 IS USM ($450) which has a better focus motor. Then there's the Canon EF 70-200mm f/4 L IS USM ($1200) and Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM ($2200). The f/2.8L is only really needed if you shoot indoor sports or at night.The 18-55mm should be fine for general shooting at Disney.In my experience, buying used isn't worth the very small discount compared to new. As far to where to buy, I'd stick to Amazon, Adorama, B&H Photo or your local camera store.
I shoot a lot of indoor soccer and baseball. I think I already have the EF 75-300mm 1:4-5.6 III you mentioned. Maybe. When I shoot indoor soccer I set it to the sports mode. I'm not sure what ai servo focus means. I really want the wide angle from my limited experience. I want to stay under a grand if possible. I'm just starting out with this hobby. I will probably take a class in the fall. Tell me about this 70-200. A friend of mine mentioned L series. Are there cheaper off brand lenses that are decent?
I personally own the Canon EF-S 55-250mm f/4.0-5.6 IS. In my experience it is great for outdoors, but is near useless inside. You already have a fairly wide angle zoom lens in the 18-55mm...it sounds like you want a travel zoom like the Canon EF-S 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6 IS ($550) with both a wide angle and telephoto end. I have no experience with this lens, but most people seem pretty happy with it within it's constraints. The problem with that lens is that it's still too slow for indoor shooting and the optical quality isn't the best. It would be an ideal one lens solution for Disney.For shooting indoor sports you really need a fast telephoto lens (f/2.8). You could also consider the Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM Non-IS ($1350). For sports shooting you don't really need IS, since you will be using a high shutter speed to stop motion. There's also Tamron and Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 with and without IS, which will save you about $500 vs. the Canon. I have stuck with Cannon lenses because Sigma has had quality control issues and third-party lens in general sometimes have focus problems more so than Canon. This is because they don't know the autofocus spec that Canon uses, and have to reverse engineer it. I'm sure they are fine lenses though, just might be more hit or miss; read up on the review sites to see if saving $500 is worth it to you. Also, the Canon non-IS costs about as much as the Tamron/Sigma with IS.When you shoot in the auto sports mode it automatically switches it ai servo, which adjusts the focus on the fly as long as you have the button half pressed. The problem with the auto mode is that you can't choose the focus point, so the camera may be focusing on the nearest object instead of they subject you want. I would set the camera to Tv mode, center point focus, 1/320 to 1/500 minimum shutter speed and either auto ISO or adjust ISO as needed. ISO past 1600 gets really grainy (even 800-1600 by some people's standards), but 3200 may be needed according to the lighting.
 
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I'm gonna buy a new lens. I have a Canon Rebel T-3 with a EF 75-300 1:4-5.6 III, a 35-80 (.4m/1.3ft), and a 18-55 (macro 0.25/.08ft) lens. I want a wide angle zoom now because I take tons of pics of my kids sports teams. I use a mono pod with the 75-300, but of course it's really tight. I also have a problem sometimes with the auto focus taking too long (or not getting perfect focus) that causes me to miss shots. It's probably because I'm a clueless noob but I wanted to mention that. We are going to Disney soon so I want to move fairly quick. I want to buy new unless it's a big price difference for used. Any advice or thoughts on what I should get and where I should get the lens from would be much appreciated.
So, I'm confused. Do you want a better telephoto lens for sports shooting? The 75-300 is a poor lens; the Canon EF-S 55-250mm f/4.0-5.6 IS ($250) is much better optically, but might still be slow to focus. Do you set the camera to ai servo focus while shooting sports? The next step up is the Canon EF 70-300mm f/4-5.6 IS USM ($450) which has a better focus motor. Then there's the Canon EF 70-200mm f/4 L IS USM ($1200) and Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS II USM ($2200). The f/2.8L is only really needed if you shoot indoor sports or at night.The 18-55mm should be fine for general shooting at Disney.

In my experience, buying used isn't worth the very small discount compared to new. As far to where to buy, I'd stick to Amazon, Adorama, B&H Photo or your local camera store.
I shoot a lot of indoor soccer and baseball. I think I already have the EF 75-300mm 1:4-5.6 III you mentioned. Maybe. When I shoot indoor soccer I set it to the sports mode. I'm not sure what ai servo focus means. I really want the wide angle from my limited experience. I want to stay under a grand if possible. I'm just starting out with this hobby. I will probably take a class in the fall. Tell me about this 70-200. A friend of mine mentioned L series. Are there cheaper off brand lenses that are decent?
I personally own the Canon EF-S 55-250mm f/4.0-5.6 IS. In my experience it is great for outdoors, but is near useless inside. You already have a fairly wide angle zoom lens in the 18-55mm...it sounds like you want a travel zoom like the Canon EF-S 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6 IS ($550) with both a wide angle and telephoto end. I have no experience with this lens, but most people seem pretty happy with it within it's constraints. The problem with that lens is that it's still too slow for indoor shooting and the optical quality isn't the best. It would be an ideal one lens solution for Disney.For shooting indoor sports you really need a fast telephoto lens (f/2.8). You could also consider the Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L USM Non-IS ($1350). For sports shooting you don't really need IS, since you will be using a high shutter speed to stop motion. There's also Tamron and Sigma 70-200mm f/2.8 with and without IS, which will save you about $500 vs. the Canon. I have stuck with Cannon lenses because Sigma has had quality control issues and third-party lens in general sometimes have focus problems more so than Canon. This is because they don't know the autofocus spec that Canon uses, and have to reverse engineer it. I'm sure they are fine lenses though, just might be more hit or miss; read up on the review sites to see if saving $500 is worth it to you. Also, the Canon non-IS costs about as much as the Tamron/Sigma with IS.

When you shoot in the auto sports mode it automatically switches it ai servo, which adjusts the focus on the fly as long as you have the button half pressed. The problem with the auto mode is that you can't choose the focus point, so the camera may be focusing on the nearest object instead of they subject you want. I would set the camera to Tv mode, center point focus, 1/320 to 1/500 minimum shutter speed and either auto ISO or adjust ISO as needed. ISO past 1600 gets really grainy (even 800-1600 by some people's standards), but 3200 may be need according to the lighting.
Thanks! It sounds like I'm gonna be spending some $$ on what I need though. IF I bought that one with the IS would that screwz me up indoors?
 
Is this what I need?

Thanks again for the advice. :thumbup:
Keep in mind that IS is only really needed when you're shooting still subjects at the long end without any support. Remember that the rule of thumb to eliminate camera shake is the inverse of the focal length, that would be 1/200s min shutter at the long end on a still subject.I would be extremely leery of the site you linked. The cheapest reputable online dealer for that lens is B&H Photo at $2,174. The site you listed is a too good to be true price. It will probably be a bait and switch where after you order, they'll try to get you to buy overpriced accessories before they will ship. Or they will send you something used, broken and/or without a warranty.

Personally, I would go with the Non-IS, as I don't think IS is worth an extra $850. There is also a used Non-IS for $950 at Adorama right now.

 
Is this what I need?

Thanks again for the advice. :thumbup:
Keep in mind that IS is only really needed when you're shooting still subjects at the long end without any support. Remember that the rule of thumb to eliminate camera shake is the inverse of the focal length, that would be 1/200s min shutter at the long end on a still subject.I would be extremely leery of the site you linked. The cheapest reputable online dealer for that lens is B&H Photo at $2,174. The site you listed is a too good to be true price. It will probably be a bait and switch where after you order, they'll try to get you to buy overpriced accessories before they will ship. Or they will send you something used, broken and/or without a warranty.

Personally, I would go with the Non-IS, as I don't think IS is worth an extra $850. There is also a used Non-IS for $950 at Adorama right now.
I always have the monopod so you are probably right. I do a ton of enlargements for all the families (for free lol)so I hope that won't matter for the IS. That link you gave me is very tempting. Any chance I find it cheaper? Thanks again.That first one you linked is new and comes with extras while the second is used. I'm thinking new.

 
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Is this what I need?

Thanks again for the advice. :thumbup:
Keep in mind that IS is only really needed when you're shooting still subjects at the long end without any support. Remember that the rule of thumb to eliminate camera shake is the inverse of the focal length, that would be 1/200s min shutter at the long end on a still subject.I would be extremely leery of the site you linked. The cheapest reputable online dealer for that lens is B&H Photo at $2,174. The site you listed is a too good to be true price. It will probably be a bait and switch where after you order, they'll try to get you to buy overpriced accessories before they will ship. Or they will send you something used, broken and/or without a warranty.

Personally, I would go with the Non-IS, as I don't think IS is worth an extra $850. There is also a used Non-IS for $950 at Adorama right now.
I always have the monopod so you are probably right. I do a ton of enlargements for all the families (for free lol)so I hope that won't matter for the IS. That link you gave me is very tempting. Any chance I find it cheaper? Thanks again.That first one you linked is new and comes with extras while the second is used. I'm thinking new.
That new price is the cheapest I could find, and is actually $50 less in kit form than the same lens by itself on the same site.The IS and non-IS are nearly identical image quality wise, with many saying the non-IS is slightly better.

A few reviews of the lens:

http://www.fredmiranda.com/reviews/showproduct.php?product=13

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EF-70-200mm-f-2.8-L-USM-Lens-Review.aspx

http://www.photozone.de/Reviews/197-canon-ef-70-200mm-f28-usm-l-test-report--review

http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/72

 
Is this what I need?

Thanks again for the advice. :thumbup:
Keep in mind that IS is only really needed when you're shooting still subjects at the long end without any support. Remember that the rule of thumb to eliminate camera shake is the inverse of the focal length, that would be 1/200s min shutter at the long end on a still subject.I would be extremely leery of the site you linked. The cheapest reputable online dealer for that lens is B&H Photo at $2,174. The site you listed is a too good to be true price. It will probably be a bait and switch where after you order, they'll try to get you to buy overpriced accessories before they will ship. Or they will send you something used, broken and/or without a warranty.

Personally, I would go with the Non-IS, as I don't think IS is worth an extra $850. There is also a used Non-IS for $950 at Adorama right now.
I always have the monopod so you are probably right. I do a ton of enlargements for all the families (for free lol)so I hope that won't matter for the IS. That link you gave me is very tempting. Any chance I find it cheaper? Thanks again.That first one you linked is new and comes with extras while the second is used. I'm thinking new.
That new price is the cheapest I could find, and is actually $50 less in kit form than the same lens by itself on the same site.The IS and non-IS are nearly identical image quality wise, with many saying the non-IS is slightly better.

A few reviews of the lens:

http://www.fredmiranda.com/reviews/showproduct.php?product=13

http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EF-70-200mm-f-2.8-L-USM-Lens-Review.aspx

http://www.photozone.de/Reviews/197-canon-ef-70-200mm-f28-usm-l-test-report--review

http://www.slrgear.com/reviews/showproduct.php/product/72
I owe you one. Thanks
 
My wife and I are taking a 10th anniversary trip to Kauai and as such she wants to step up to a better quality camera than what we have. Currently we just have a Canon Digital Elph. It has served relatively well for a few years as something she can throw in her pocketbook to take snapshots of the kids. Decent enough quality the majority of the time but has issues sometimes with focus, light, color reproduction, speed to acquire image...all the stuff you'd expect from a Point and Shoot, I guess.

So as we move into the next step up and consider entry level DSLR's, what should we be looking for/at? We definitely like to find that sweet spot of value, and it should be relatively easy to learn to use. Other than the trip it would be used for regular family photography stuff, nothing really heavy duty beyond that. I'm sure this is pretty vague but I don't know where to start and didn't want to wade through 14 pages of info where lots of it won't pertain to us. OK, so start asking me the questions I need to answer or just give me the knowledge you think I need. Thanks!

Oh, trip is in August, so I'm not in a rush...I'd rather take my time, find the right product, and get the best deal.

 
I own the Canon T3, which is Canon's lowest current entry level model. It's very feature rich for the price, but it doesn't have the greatest build quality (hard plastic instead of rubberized grips). You can get a T3, 18-55mm IS and 55-250mm IS combo for about $650. I started with that and it is an excellent value and you have to spend a lot more to get noticeably better image quality. The image quality on both lenses is well regarded, again the downside is plastic construction, small focus rings, slower focus motors, etc. I have since added the Canon 35mm f/2 and 100mm f/2.8 USM macro.

I kind of wish I had bucked up to the T3i for the articulating screen and remote speed light control. But the price difference was basically the cost of my 35mm f/2, and I'd rather have than lens than a better body. There's also the T2i, with has a couple more features over the T3, but with better build quality. Both the T3i and T2i can be purchased with the 18-135mm lens, which has average image quality but will be a more versatile lens than the 18-55mm or if you don't want to switch lenses. If you just want one lens I would probably buy body only and get the Canon 18-200mm.

You should also be looking into micro 4/3s mirrorless (sony nex5, olympus pen, etc) and high end P&S (Canon PowerShot S100, etc) Unless you plan on making photography a serious hobby, I would strongly consider the new mirrorless cameras. Nearly equal in image quality to a DSLR, but much smaller.

 
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I own the Canon T3, which is Canon's lowest current entry level model. It's very feature rich for the price, but it doesn't have the greatest build quality (hard plastic instead of rubberized grips). You can get a T3, 18-55mm IS and 55-250mm IS combo for about $650. I started with that and it is an excellent value and you have to spend a lot more to get noticeably better image quality. The image quality on both lenses is well regarded, again the downside is plastic construction, small focus rings, slower focus motors, etc. I have since added the Canon 35mm f/2 and 100mm f/2.8 USM macro. I kind of wish I had bucked up to the T3i for the articulating screen and remote speed light control. But the price difference was basically the cost of my 35mm f/2, and I'd rather have than lens than a better body. There's also the T2i, with has a couple more features over the T3, but with better build quality. Both the T3i and T2i can be purchased with the 18-135mm lens, which has average image quality but will be a more versatile lens than the 18-55mm or if you don't want to switch lenses. If you just want one lens I would probably buy body only and get the Canon 18-200mm.You should also be looking into micro 4/3s mirrorless (sony nex5, olympus pen, etc) and high end P&S (Canon PowerShot S100, etc) Unless you plan on making photography a serious hobby, I would strongly consider the new mirrorless cameras. Nearly equal in image quality to a DSLR, but much smaller.
Are you a pro? You really seem to know your stuff. :thumbup:
 
I own the Canon T3, which is Canon's lowest current entry level model. It's very feature rich for the price, but it doesn't have the greatest build quality (hard plastic instead of rubberized grips). You can get a T3, 18-55mm IS and 55-250mm IS combo for about $650. I started with that and it is an excellent value and you have to spend a lot more to get noticeably better image quality. The image quality on both lenses is well regarded, again the downside is plastic construction, small focus rings, slower focus motors, etc. I have since added the Canon 35mm f/2 and 100mm f/2.8 USM macro. I kind of wish I had bucked up to the T3i for the articulating screen and remote speed light control. But the price difference was basically the cost of my 35mm f/2, and I'd rather have than lens than a better body. There's also the T2i, with has a couple more features over the T3, but with better build quality. Both the T3i and T2i can be purchased with the 18-135mm lens, which has average image quality but will be a more versatile lens than the 18-55mm or if you don't want to switch lenses. If you just want one lens I would probably buy body only and get the Canon 18-200mm.You should also be looking into micro 4/3s mirrorless (sony nex5, olympus pen, etc) and high end P&S (Canon PowerShot S100, etc) Unless you plan on making photography a serious hobby, I would strongly consider the new mirrorless cameras. Nearly equal in image quality to a DSLR, but much smaller.
Are you a pro? You really seem to know your stuff. :thumbup:
Nah, I've had my DSLR for about a year. I'm just the type that does a ton of reading prior to making a purchase. I considered taking a photography course at the local community college, but at $400 I decided I'd rather teach myself/read and invest that in a lens. I'm learning that figuring out the technical aspect of photography is much easier than composition. It's a fun hobby, but very expensive.
 
I own the Canon T3, which is Canon's lowest current entry level model. It's very feature rich for the price, but it doesn't have the greatest build quality (hard plastic instead of rubberized grips). You can get a T3, 18-55mm IS and 55-250mm IS combo for about $650. I started with that and it is an excellent value and you have to spend a lot more to get noticeably better image quality. The image quality on both lenses is well regarded, again the downside is plastic construction, small focus rings, slower focus motors, etc. I have since added the Canon 35mm f/2 and 100mm f/2.8 USM macro. I kind of wish I had bucked up to the T3i for the articulating screen and remote speed light control. But the price difference was basically the cost of my 35mm f/2, and I'd rather have than lens than a better body. There's also the T2i, with has a couple more features over the T3, but with better build quality. Both the T3i and T2i can be purchased with the 18-135mm lens, which has average image quality but will be a more versatile lens than the 18-55mm or if you don't want to switch lenses. If you just want one lens I would probably buy body only and get the Canon 18-200mm.You should also be looking into micro 4/3s mirrorless (sony nex5, olympus pen, etc) and high end P&S (Canon PowerShot S100, etc) Unless you plan on making photography a serious hobby, I would strongly consider the new mirrorless cameras. Nearly equal in image quality to a DSLR, but much smaller.
Are you a pro? You really seem to know your stuff. :thumbup:
Nah, I've had my DSLR for about a year. I'm just the type that does a ton of reading prior to making a purchase. I considered taking a photography course at the local community college, but at $400 I decided I'd rather teach myself/read and invest that in a lens. I'm learning that figuring out the technical aspect of photography is much easier than composition. It's a fun hobby, but very expensive.
I'm the opposite. Eveeyone always loves my shots and I even had one put in a magazine w/o my knowledge, lol. I have to take a class as I HATE research but for now I just play. Thanks again for the help.
 
I own the Canon T3, You should also be looking into micro 4/3s mirrorless (sony nex5, olympus pen, etc) and high end P&S (Canon PowerShot S100, etc) Unless you plan on making photography a serious hobby, I would strongly consider the new mirrorless cameras. Nearly equal in image quality to a DSLR, but much smaller.
The Sony NEX has the same APS-C sensor as regular a dslr. The micro 4/3 sensor in the Oly/Panny is much smaller. If I were buying today I definitely would go the mirrorless route. Probably Sony because of Sony's commitment to the platform and all the trouble around Olympus
 
'HellToupee said:
'gsmayes said:
I own the Canon T3, You should also be looking into micro 4/3s mirrorless (sony nex5, olympus pen, etc) and high end P&S (Canon PowerShot S100, etc) Unless you plan on making photography a serious hobby, I would strongly consider the new mirrorless cameras. Nearly equal in image quality to a DSLR, but much smaller.
The Sony NEX has the same APS-C sensor as regular a dslr. The micro 4/3 sensor in the Oly/Panny is much smaller. If I were buying today I definitely would go the mirrorless route. Probably Sony because of Sony's commitment to the platform and all the trouble around Olympus
I'd also throw the Samsung NX200 into the discussion. It also uses an APS-C sensor and is slightly smaller but considerably lighter than the Sony NEX. I wouldn't bother with any 4/3 sensor camera since you can get an APS-C sensor camera that's just as small.HellToupee makes an excellent point about the commitment Sony is making in photography. Sony has lost a lot of its luster imo but they are making up ground very fast in photography. If they are still behind Canon/Nikon it's by an ever decreasing margin.I keep hoping that Canon will eventually enter the market with a competitor that used my Canon dSLR lenses.
 
Can someone tell me more about this "mirrorless" technology and what it means in layman's terms? Also, what do I need to know about sensors and how do I know what is good/important?

 
Can someone tell me more about this "mirrorless" technology and what it means in layman's terms? Also, what do I need to know about sensors and how do I know what is good/important?
Traditional SLR cameras(both digital and non digital) have a mirror that allows you to see exactly what the sensor/film will see just before you take the picture. The mirror and path to the viewfinder takes up space within the camera and because of that an SLR camera is generally larger than other cameras(and there are positives and negatives associated with size). Without the mirror you give up the great optical view finder and instead use the LCD display or sometimes a electronic view finder(EVF). The advantage is the camera is much smaller and teamed with a pancake lens gives you a very high quality camera that you can fit in your pocket. I don't really understand the big lenses with small cameras or the big mirrorless cameras(like the recently announced Pentax K-01) that kind of defeat the purpose.In terms of sensors, larger is generally better because they are more sensitive to light and give more detail. Full frame sensor(864mm2) cameras cost $2k+. Most dSLR's sold have APS-C size sensors(~330mm2). The micro 4/3rds format sensor(225mm2) was introduced to reduce the size of the cameras, but as Sony and Samsung have proved it's certainly possible to make a small camera with a APS-C sized sensor. The micro 4/3rds is still much bigger than a P&S sensor which is smaller than 50mm2. All things being equal I'd definitely lean toward the Sony or the Samsung but this is a pretty good deal on a micro 4/3rds camera....

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Olympus+-+E-P1+12.3-Megapixel+Digital+Camera+-+Silver/3992223.p?skuId=3992223&productCategoryId=pcmcat186400050002&id=1218446805778&AID=10597222&PID=227502&SID=F011A00Y0N0A00287110C39A01A0A00&URL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bestbuy.com%2Fsite%2FOlympus%2B-%2BE-P1%2B12.3-Megapixel%2BDigital%2BCamera%2B-%2BSilver%2F3992223.p%3FskuId%3D3992223%26productCategoryId%3Dpcmcat186400050002%26id%3D1218446805778&ref=39&CJPID=227502&loc=01

... and it gets a pretty good review here...

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/olympusep1/page38.asp

When you purchase a camera that uses interchangeable lenses you should always research the lenses more than the camera though so make sure the line of lenses available works for you.

 
I've been looking into the mirrorless ones, and based on reviews and what you guys said, it seems like the Sony NEX-C3 might be the way to go. I see it can come with two different lenses. There is this one that has a zoom lens, and then there is this one that comes with a wide angle (I've also seen it called a pancake) lens.

Earlier people said that I should almost pay more attention to the lenses available and frankly I'm not sure which of these (or both) I really need or want. Can someone break down for me what the differences are and what I will/won't be able to do with each? What else do I need to be aware of? And is there any seasonality to these cameras that will allow me to be patient and get a good deal or am I pretty much stuck with the prices I'm seeing?

 
In the past couple of months, I've noticed that my 5 year old Canon Rebel XTi, is less and less consistent on getting a crisp focus. About 1/2 the shots it gets it and the other 1/2 it doesn't and it doesn't seem like I've changed anything else. Do SLRs ever need to be re-calibrated or is this a common problem as cameras age?

 
'Polish Hammer said:
I've been looking into the mirrorless ones, and based on reviews and what you guys said, it seems like the Sony NEX-C3 might be the way to go. I see it can come with two different lenses. There is this one that has a zoom lens, and then there is this one that comes with a wide angle (I've also seen it called a pancake) lens.

Earlier people said that I should almost pay more attention to the lenses available and frankly I'm not sure which of these (or both) I really need or want. Can someone break down for me what the differences are and what I will/won't be able to do with each? What else do I need to be aware of? And is there any seasonality to these cameras that will allow me to be patient and get a good deal or am I pretty much stuck with the prices I'm seeing?
The pancake lens is a wide angle lens, good for taking landscapes and indoor photos. It's faster so you won't need a lot of light. It's very small and one would assume the entire reason you are interested in a mirrorless camera is the idea of having a pocket camera that takes dSLR quality photos. Seems like a must purchase to me.The 3x zoom lens is more for general shooting but is limited both in range and it requires more light. I have used the slow 3x zoom kit lens that came with my camera less than half a dozen times. If you really want a zoom lens for walking around I'd look at this...

http://www.dpreview.com/products/sony/lenses/sony_e_18-200_3p5-6p3

... or if you plan to take a lot of portraits or shoot in even lower light conditions...

http://www.dpreview.com/products/sony/lenses/sony_e_50_1p8

You might also check this out before purchasing a second lens - it claims to allows you to use Nikon lenses with your Sony NEX camera which would open up a ton of options to you. I believe this works with the NEX-C3 because it will use the same mount as the other NEX cameras(but do your homework to be sure).....

http://www.amazon.com/CowboyStudio-Nikon-NEX-3-Camera-Adapter/dp/B003X1FSCS/ref=pd_sim_p_66

It's so inexpensive you might consider it a 'WTF' purchase just to see if it works.

 

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