DT Jalen Carter, PHI (2 Viewers)

[ProstheticRGK]

Complete domination

And not responsible for anyone’s death, by any sane metric.

 

[ChicoCat]

It isn't cool to say that Jalen Carter killed someone. He didn't.

As to whether or not he's a coward, a scumbag, a scared young man or acting irrationally because he fled the scene of the accident; that's open to interpretaion. To be fair, I guess he could have been all of those things on that one night.

 

[oldmanhawkins]

It isn't cool to say that Jalen Carter killed someone. He didn't.

As to whether or not he's a coward, a scumbag, a scared young man or acting irrationally because he fled the scene of the accident; that's open to interpretaion. To be fair, I guess he could have been all of those things on that one night.

Good posting. It’s worth remembering that a person doesn’t need to be defined by their worst moments. There is a world where Carter could have seen jail time or been passed over by the NFL for the awful choices he made that night. In some ways that would have been an easier life for him. Hed be out of the public eye and not have had to deal with the death threats and vitriol from people he doesn’t know. Who knows, maybe the guilt wouldn’t be as terrible. That’s what I’ve always seen when I look at Carter - not some schmuck - but a person carrying an insane burden of guilt and sadness. I think he should be proud of how he put that in his past and has become a better person and a helluva player.
On a different note, it’s crazy that the best player on the leagues best defense (statistically) doesn’t even get mentioned in DPOY conversations.

 

[Faust]

Jalen Carter's game-wrecking ability is ultimate test for Commanders' short-handed offensive line

 

[rockaction]

Edited. Let's just say I've heard less hyperbolic and brighter statements come out of my roommate's anus after burritos at 3 A.M. during a 24-hour party session.

 

[Pickle Rody]

Carter dominates today. He is on a mission. His team is on a mission. Only thing that matters.

 

[oldmanhawkins]

Carter dominates today. He is on a mission. His team is on a mission. Only thing that matters.

Aaron Donald agrees

 

[General Malaise]

Is Jordan Davis considered a bust? What's his story?

 

[unckeyherb]

Is Jordan Davis considered a bust? What's his story?

Sort of. He fills a necessary role as a run stuffer but they drafted him expecting him to take the next step and be able to get to the passer. He doesn’t do that.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Is Jordan Davis considered a bust? What's his story?

Sort of. He fills a necessary role as a run stuffer but they drafted him expecting him to take the next step and be able to get to the passer. He doesn’t do that.

Davis has a PFF grade of 66.6 which ranks him 46th out of 219 DTs. That grade is higher than all the DTs on Washington but is the lowest PFF grade on Philadelphia. He's basically a first down, short yardage guy. Useful, but not what the Eagles envisioned he would be.

 

[unckeyherb]

Is Jordan Davis considered a bust? What's his story?

Sort of. He fills a necessary role as a run stuffer but they drafted him expecting him to take the next step and be able to get to the passer. He doesn’t do that.

Davis has a PFF grade of 66.6 which ranks him 46th out of 219 DTs. That grade is higher than all the DTs on Washington but is the lowest PFF grade on Philadelphia. He's basically a first down, short yardage guy. Useful, but not what the Eagles envisioned he would be.

Exactly. He’ll have a career but probably never live up to the potential.

 

[Faust]

Eagles' Jalen Carter still 'grinding' to add name alongside NFL's best DTs: 'I know who everybody loves'

 

[need2know]

Is Jordan Davis considered a bust? What's his story?

Sort of. He fills a necessary role as a run stuffer but they drafted him expecting him to take the next step and be able to get to the passer. He doesn’t do that.

Davis has a PFF grade of 66.6 which ranks him 46th out of 219 DTs. That grade is higher than all the DTs on Washington but is the lowest PFF grade on Philadelphia. He's basically a first down, short yardage guy. Useful, but not what the Eagles envisioned he would be.

Exactly. He’ll have a career but probably never live up to the potential.

He already has not. Thank zeus for carter cause davis has pretty much stunk. Worst recent high pick howie has made.

 

[Terpman22]

Is Jordan Davis considered a bust? What's his story?

Sort of. He fills a necessary role as a run stuffer but they drafted him expecting him to take the next step and be able to get to the passer. He doesn’t do that.

Davis has a PFF grade of 66.6 which ranks him 46th out of 219 DTs. That grade is higher than all the DTs on Washington but is the lowest PFF grade on Philadelphia. He's basically a first down, short yardage guy. Useful, but not what the Eagles envisioned he would be.

Exactly. He’ll have a career but probably never live up to the potential.

He already has not. Thank zeus for carter cause davis has pretty much stunk. Worst recent high pick howie has made.

This is a bad take. Living up to 13th overall pick potential and stinking? Big canyon between the 2.

You just ignore the fact he is ranked as a top 75-79 percentile on grades? Because he doesn't get sacks?

Aaron Donald has Tom Brady'd the position of DT.

 

[need2know]

Is Jordan Davis considered a bust? What's his story?

Sort of. He fills a necessary role as a run stuffer but they drafted him expecting him to take the next step and be able to get to the passer. He doesn’t do that.

Davis has a PFF grade of 66.6 which ranks him 46th out of 219 DTs. That grade is higher than all the DTs on Washington but is the lowest PFF grade on Philadelphia. He's basically a first down, short yardage guy. Useful, but not what the Eagles envisioned he would be.

Exactly. He’ll have a career but probably never live up to the potential.

He already has not. Thank zeus for carter cause davis has pretty much stunk. Worst recent high pick howie has made.

This is a bad take. Living up to 13th overall pick potential and stinking? Big canyon between the 2.

You just ignore the fact he is ranked as a top 75-79 percentile on grades? Because he doesn't get sacks?

Aaron Donald has Tom Brady'd the position of DT.

theres plenty of games i forget davis is on the team. i want more than that from a top 15 pick

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Is Jordan Davis considered a bust? What's his story?

Sort of. He fills a necessary role as a run stuffer but they drafted him expecting him to take the next step and be able to get to the passer. He doesn’t do that.

Davis has a PFF grade of 66.6 which ranks him 46th out of 219 DTs. That grade is higher than all the DTs on Washington but is the lowest PFF grade on Philadelphia. He's basically a first down, short yardage guy. Useful, but not what the Eagles envisioned he would be.

Exactly. He’ll have a career but probably never live up to the potential.

He already has not. Thank zeus for carter cause davis has pretty much stunk. Worst recent high pick howie has made.

This is a bad take. Living up to 13th overall pick potential and stinking? Big canyon between the 2.

You just ignore the fact he is ranked as a top 75-79 percentile on grades? Because he doesn't get sacks?

Aaron Donald has Tom Brady'd the position of DT.

Just tell us how we should feel so we can all move on.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I dont think Ive ever been more interested in a C/DT matchup than I am between (Cowboys) center, Booker VS Carter.

Apparently Carter is the only one to get a sack vs Booker they never faced off in college. Should be fun.

 

[Terpman22]

Is Jordan Davis considered a bust? What's his story?

Sort of. He fills a necessary role as a run stuffer but they drafted him expecting him to take the next step and be able to get to the passer. He doesn’t do that.

Davis has a PFF grade of 66.6 which ranks him 46th out of 219 DTs. That grade is higher than all the DTs on Washington but is the lowest PFF grade on Philadelphia. He's basically a first down, short yardage guy. Useful, but not what the Eagles envisioned he would be.

Exactly. He’ll have a career but probably never live up to the potential.

He already has not. Thank zeus for carter cause davis has pretty much stunk. Worst recent high pick howie has made.

This is a bad take. Living up to 13th overall pick potential and stinking? Big canyon between the 2.

You just ignore the fact he is ranked as a top 75-79 percentile on grades? Because he doesn't get sacks?

Aaron Donald has Tom Brady'd the position of DT.

Just tell us how we should feel so we can all move on.

Lets see how much deflection we can get here.

I think he is a very good DT, and ya know, the pass rushing DTs are extremely hard to find. The very good run stuffers are also hard to find.

My eagles fan here thinks he stinks. Stinks? Despite evidence brought forward what else can I do. The Eagles have a Super Team and not everyone can be an All Pro player I guess.

I still think Jordan Davis is a VERY good player. The team also believes this b/c they just picked up his 5th year option.

However, YOU are a Cowboys fan and the Cowboys were bottom of the barrel in literally every single run stopping statistic last year.

Now would you say "Nah man, they are GREAT" despite all the evidence that shows the Cowboys were terrible against the run last year.

And if you agree with THIS premise, and hypothetically speaking, the Eagles had NOT picked up his 5th year option:

"Would you, as a Cowboys fan, hypothetically wants Jordan Davis on your team?"

 

[Zeppelin]

Davis is a really good player imo but people probably expected more in terms of pass rushing because of his combine performance.

 

[Zeppelin]

Davis is a really good player imo but people probably expected more in terms of pass rushing because of his combine performance.

Just wanted to add that if you can't stop the run you will have a tough time winning games.

 

[Terpman22]

Davis is a really good player imo but people probably expected more in terms of pass rushing because of his combine performance.

Expect or hope? I think it was more of a projection hoping he could become Leonard Williams/Dexter Lawrence honestly.

And I get that, but it was a PROJECTION based off traits

Never got 3+ sacks in a single college season, actually showed a bit of regression in this regard, where it was obvious Leonard Williams could be that guy and Dexter Lawrence showed steady improvement.

We can usually count the "really good" pass rushing DTs on one hand.

And when one that even gets just 5 sacks like Milton Williams did last year, they are SO RARE that teams pay them $25M+ on the open market.

 

[Pickle Rody]

Wouldn't it be better to move the Davis discussion to the Davis thread? Keep checking in to find no discussion of Carter.

 

[Terpman22]

Wouldn't it be better to move the Davis discussion to the Davis thread? Keep checking in to find no discussion of Carter.

Smart call, my bad here.

I do think this the year Jalen Carter REALLY puts it together.

Thinking about his long term potential/career ceiling I can't put him in the Donald ceiling potential, simply b/c Donald was arguably the best DT in the history of the game.

With that said

He will be better than Fletcher Cox

He should be at least as good as Suh, who he remind me of a lot, maybe a mix of Warren Sapp in there too.

6.5 sacks as a rookie, down to 4.5 last year, but a lot of what he does does not show up in the stat sheet - which is why he was an All Pro

Him having 6 PDs last year really shows to me he is starting to pick up the understanding/timing and the defensive scheme much better.

And Vic Fangio basically said "he hasn't even scratched the surface yet" of his potential.

A guy I keep thinking he might be most like though is Chris Jones.

Jones thru his first 2 seasons had 2.0, then 6.5 sacks to only EXPLODE in year 3 for 15.5 sacks, and to have at least 9 sacks 5 of his next 7 years.

My O/U on JC Sacks this year: 8.5

 

[massraider]

theres plenty of games i forget davis is on the team. i want more than that from a top 15 pick

Anyway, getting back to the Jordan Davis discussion:

I agree with you, and I think drafting a run stuffer DT in the top 15 is a mistake.I will say, that looking at the class, I don't think there's too many guys in that 1st round they missed out on. Kyle Hamilton went right after him, and I am sure you'd prefer him, but after Hamilton there is like two guys worth it.

So, while Davis isn't an impact player, a bunch of teams who picked in that 1st round wish they could trade their guy for Davis.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Is Jordan Davis considered a bust? What's his story?

Sort of. He fills a necessary role as a run stuffer but they drafted him expecting him to take the next step and be able to get to the passer. He doesn’t do that.

Davis has a PFF grade of 66.6 which ranks him 46th out of 219 DTs. That grade is higher than all the DTs on Washington but is the lowest PFF grade on Philadelphia. He's basically a first down, short yardage guy. Useful, but not what the Eagles envisioned he would be.

Exactly. He’ll have a career but probably never live up to the potential.

He already has not. Thank zeus for carter cause davis has pretty much stunk. Worst recent high pick howie has made.

This is a bad take. Living up to 13th overall pick potential and stinking? Big canyon between the 2.

You just ignore the fact he is ranked as a top 75-79 percentile on grades? Because he doesn't get sacks?

Aaron Donald has Tom Brady'd the position of DT.

Just tell us how we should feel so we can all move on.

Lets see how much deflection we can get here.

I think he is a very good DT, and ya know, the pass rushing DTs are extremely hard to find. The very good run stuffers are also hard to find.

My eagles fan here thinks he stinks. Stinks? Despite evidence brought forward what else can I do. The Eagles have a Super Team and not everyone can be an All Pro player I guess.

I still think Jordan Davis is a VERY good player. The team also believes this b/c they just picked up his 5th year option.

However, YOU are a Cowboys fan and the Cowboys were bottom of the barrel in literally every single run stopping statistic last year.

Now would you say "Nah man, they are GREAT" despite all the evidence that shows the Cowboys were terrible against the run last year.

And if you agree with THIS premise, and hypothetically speaking, the Eagles had NOT picked up his 5th year option:

"Would you, as a Cowboys fan, hypothetically wants Jordan Davis on your team?"

You called somebody's opinion and thoughts a bad take. It's rude and condescending.

You brought up the Cowboys. Again.

I think JALEN CARTER is a great player.

 

[Terpman22]

Is Jordan Davis considered a bust? What's his story?

Sort of. He fills a necessary role as a run stuffer but they drafted him expecting him to take the next step and be able to get to the passer. He doesn’t do that.

Davis has a PFF grade of 66.6 which ranks him 46th out of 219 DTs. That grade is higher than all the DTs on Washington but is the lowest PFF grade on Philadelphia. He's basically a first down, short yardage guy. Useful, but not what the Eagles envisioned he would be.

Exactly. He’ll have a career but probably never live up to the potential.

He already has not. Thank zeus for carter cause davis has pretty much stunk. Worst recent high pick howie has made.

This is a bad take. Living up to 13th overall pick potential and stinking? Big canyon between the 2.

You just ignore the fact he is ranked as a top 75-79 percentile on grades? Because he doesn't get sacks?

Aaron Donald has Tom Brady'd the position of DT.

Just tell us how we should feel so we can all move on.

Lets see how much deflection we can get here.

I think he is a very good DT, and ya know, the pass rushing DTs are extremely hard to find. The very good run stuffers are also hard to find.

My eagles fan here thinks he stinks. Stinks? Despite evidence brought forward what else can I do. The Eagles have a Super Team and not everyone can be an All Pro player I guess.

I still think Jordan Davis is a VERY good player. The team also believes this b/c they just picked up his 5th year option.

However, YOU are a Cowboys fan and the Cowboys were bottom of the barrel in literally every single run stopping statistic last year.

Now would you say "Nah man, they are GREAT" despite all the evidence that shows the Cowboys were terrible against the run last year.

And if you agree with THIS premise, and hypothetically speaking, the Eagles had NOT picked up his 5th year option:

"Would you, as a Cowboys fan, hypothetically wants Jordan Davis on your team?"

You called somebody's opinion and thoughts a bad take. It's rude and condescending.

You brought up the Cowboys. Again.

I think JALEN CARTER is a great player.

So? Tell your mommy

So? The Cowboys are a bad team. Notice you avoiding answering my question, but I won't avoid yours.

Thanks! You and Tyler Booker certainly will find out week 1.

 

[oldmanhawkins]

Indefensible.

 

[BlackCrowes]

he looked so pleased with himself

 

[Da Franchise]

This is the most Philly shizz that has ever Philly’d.

 

[brewer]

What the?

 

[rockaction]

I've never been wrong about this guy and anyone looking back through this thread thinking I'm the one with the problem . . . well . . .

welcome to a guy who raced a car and then took off when people were killed as a direct result. And felt entitled the whole way.

This guy's always been exactly what I said he was. Congrats, Philly. You've got a fine one.

 

[Wasabi]

Geeze, what a POS.

 

[fruity pebbles]

I’d toss him out for 2-3 more games

 

[irish eyes]

I've never been wrong about this guy and anyone looking back through this thread thinking I'm the one with the problem . . . well . . .

welcome to a guy who raced a car and then took off when people were killed as a direct result. And felt entitled the whole way.

This guy's always been exactly what I said he was. Congrats, Philly. You've got a fine one.

He is an awful human being, and he doesn't care.

 

[oldmanhawkins]

I've never been wrong about this guy and anyone looking back through this thread thinking I'm the one with the problem . . . well . . .

welcome to a guy who raced a car and then took off when people were killed as a direct result. And felt entitled the whole way.

This guy's always been exactly what I said he was. Congrats, Philly. You've got a fine one.

I’d like to retract my previous arguments.

 

[rockaction]

I've never been wrong about this guy and anyone looking back through this thread thinking I'm the one with the problem . . . well . . .

welcome to a guy who raced a car and then took off when people were killed as a direct result. And felt entitled the whole way.

This guy's always been exactly what I said he was. Congrats, Philly. You've got a fine one.

I’d like to retract my previous arguments.

That's actually big of you. My parents came to cheer for the Bruins as they got older (I grew up a Whaler fan and never could). They actually began, as they got older and time faded, to cheer for Brad Marchand. I never could quite make it there. He's such a dirty player. Injurious. And that whole licking thing he was doing wasn't right. It was nuts and completely anarchic and anti-social in the worst of ways. So I have a little bit of a forgiveness or punitive issue. I don't know how I feel about Marchand but I'll have massive problems looking at him and saying, "There goes a fine man. He really changed."

Jalen Carter certainly hasn't. Not even in the remotest sense. The question I guess I should ask myself—as long as we're both being big about things like this—is would I be able to look at him if he really changed and be able to find a kind of gracious forgiveness and acceptance of him. I really am not a religious dogmatist and I have massive flaws myself. I guess I just get disgusted when people continue to take license and behave completely anti-socially and immorally.

Let's hope the young man finds guidance and peace.

I still reserve the right to thunder on about him and Eagles fans, but let this be the olive branch in return.

 

[Orange&Blue]

He is a thug.

 

[SoBeDad]

Bad timing by agent Drew Rosenhaus.

https://x.com/DrewJRosenhaus/status/1963742266117468525

 

[oldmanhawkins]

I've never been wrong about this guy and anyone looking back through this thread thinking I'm the one with the problem . . . well . . .

welcome to a guy who raced a car and then took off when people were killed as a direct result. And felt entitled the whole way.

This guy's always been exactly what I said he was. Congrats, Philly. You've got a fine one.

I’d like to retract my previous arguments.

That's actually big of you. My parents came to cheer for the Bruins as they got older (I grew up a Whaler fan and never could). They actually began, as they got older and time faded, to cheer for Brad Marchand. I never could quite make it there. He's such a dirty player. Injurious. And that whole licking thing he was doing wasn't right. It was nuts and completely anarchic and anti-social in the worst of ways. So I have a little bit of a forgiveness or punitive issue. I don't know how I feel about Marchand but I'll have massive problems looking at him and saying, "There goes a fine man. He really changed."

Jalen Carter certainly hasn't. Not even in the remotest sense. The question I guess I should ask myself—as long as we're both being big about things like this—is would I be able to look at him if he really changed and be able to find a kind of gracious forgiveness and acceptance of him. I really am not a religious dogmatist and I have massive flaws myself. I guess I just get disgusted when people continue to take license and behave completely anti-socially and immorally.

Let's hope the young man finds guidance and peace.

I still reserve the right to thunder on about him and Eagles fans, but let this be the olive branch in return.

I’ll go back and reread what I wrote at some point but from memory I was trying to defend a kid who was being judged at his lowest point. I’m sure it hasn’t aged well now that he’s 24, has a tremendous support group around him, won a Super Bowl, on the verge of a massive pay day…and still can’t get out of his own way.

I probably thought you were too quick to judge but you saw it clearly. The whole world just saw by his reaction after the spitting that he just doesn’t get it.

 

[Ridgeback]

He is a thug.

Hard to say otherwise. Glad he's not on a team I root for.

 

[rockaction]

I've never been wrong about this guy and anyone looking back through this thread thinking I'm the one with the problem . . . well . . .

welcome to a guy who raced a car and then took off when people were killed as a direct result. And felt entitled the whole way.

This guy's always been exactly what I said he was. Congrats, Philly. You've got a fine one.

I’d like to retract my previous arguments.

That's actually big of you. My parents came to cheer for the Bruins as they got older (I grew up a Whaler fan and never could). They actually began, as they got older and time faded, to cheer for Brad Marchand. I never could quite make it there. He's such a dirty player. Injurious. And that whole licking thing he was doing wasn't right. It was nuts and completely anarchic and anti-social in the worst of ways. So I have a little bit of a forgiveness or punitive issue. I don't know how I feel about Marchand but I'll have massive problems looking at him and saying, "There goes a fine man. He really changed."

Jalen Carter certainly hasn't. Not even in the remotest sense. The question I guess I should ask myself—as long as we're both being big about things like this—is would I be able to look at him if he really changed and be able to find a kind of gracious forgiveness and acceptance of him. I really am not a religious dogmatist and I have massive flaws myself. I guess I just get disgusted when people continue to take license and behave completely anti-socially and immorally.

Let's hope the young man finds guidance and peace.

I still reserve the right to thunder on about him and Eagles fans, but let this be the olive branch in return.

I’ll go back and reread what I wrote at some point but from memory I was trying to defend a kid who was being judged at his lowest point. I’m sure it hasn’t aged well now that he’s 24, has a tremendous support group around him, won a Super Bowl, on the verge of a massive pay day…and still can’t get out of his own way.

I probably thought you were too quick to judge but you saw it clearly. The whole world just saw by his reaction after the spitting that he just doesn’t get it.

I re-read the thread and you’re fine. Just sticking up for a kid. It’s other people that were caustic with me. Don’t sweat it.

 

[Insein]

Dumb ***

 

[Da Franchise]

Bad timing by agent Drew Rosenhaus.

https://x.com/DrewJRosenhaus/status/1963742266117468525

Those dbags deserve each other.

 

[JAA]

Dumb ***

Yup. He knows better and he will own up to it.

 

[SoBeDad]

Bad timing by agent Drew Rosenhaus.

https://x.com/DrewJRosenhaus/status/1963742266117468525

Those dbags deserve each other.

Drew's reputation as brash, self-promoting and ruthless super-agent is somewhat exaggerated.

In real life, he's a great family man, 4 kids, saved a drowning kid at a Disney pool and gave him CPR, and help rescue a person from a mangled car on the FL turnpike. He does a weekly Sunday on local TV and comes across as a nice guy.

 

[smbkrypt24]

Not an eagles or cowboys fan. In my head when I saw the spit initially I was like he just spit on that man. Then I was like “no he couldn’t have” otherwise this would be a big deal. I guess he did.

 

[Statorama]

He should be at least as good as Suh, who he reminds me of a lot

Me too!

 

[Terpman22]

He should be at least as good as Suh, who he reminds me of a lot

Me too!

‘Cept Suh never got a ring eh

 

[CGRdrJoe]

hopefully it’s a 6 game ban

 

[ProstheticRGK]

I can’t type on this board what I think of Carter. Spitting on someone is a total dirtbag move. It says a lot about his character, and none of it is good.