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Dumervil to Ravens (1 Viewer)
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Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Big news and negates the loss of Kruger and the talk of moving Upshaw into the pass rushing role. I haven't heard any details on money but saw five years for length.Broncos are said to be concentrating on John Abraham who has played 4-3 DE his career.
Ravens got much better.
If the Broncos get Abe they'll be ok but this loss stings.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
I heard Denver's first choice is Freeney and Abraham would end up in NE, but who know on these kind of things.
cstu
Footballguy
They had the money for at least a couple of those guys but they didn't think they were worth the money. Looks like a good call.
Wise Old Owl
Footballguy
They have the money, they chose not to spend it. Ellerbe and Kruger got something like 75mil between the two, the Ravens (rightly) thought they were worth less.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
Better to be lucky rather than good in this case.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
So Dumervill actually wanted out of Denver, yes/no?
habsfan
Footballguy
Given the collective embarrassment surrounding the fax machine nonsense, I don't think you can put much stock in what either side said after that happened. They supposedly had a deal in place which you have to assume is what they both wanted...
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Dumervil wanted to get paid the most he could get.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
What I'm saying is if he wanted to stay in Denver, why not the next day go to the stadium and sign the same paperwork or bang out a new contract?
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Because the Broncos had to eat a $4.9 million salary cap charge for the contract filing snafu. After that, it sounds like the Broncos were no longer able or willing to sign him for the $8 million he had verbally agreed to play for. He already was taking $4 million less by agreeing to play for $8 million.Had they resigned him for the same 1 year, $8 million, it would have cost them more against the cap (roughly $13 million total) then had they just left his contract alone ($12 million). Makes more sense now?
grateful zed
Footballguy
i wonder if this deal was in the works before the fax snafoo. 
if so, what advantage could dumerville or the ravens gotten from the resulting release?
if so, what advantage could dumerville or the ravens gotten from the resulting release?
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Dumervil would not have been available. It could not have been pre-arranged, as he was under contract to Denver. So the benefit was they could sign him, when before he was totally off limits.Dumervil ends up playing for less money, so I am not sure what the benefit is. He did get a mult-year deal (instead of a 1 year deal), so I suppose you could say that was a plus. However, his annual average salary went from $12M in DEN to $7M in BAL.I think both sides would have been happy enough if he stayed in DEN, but the contract mishap made it nearly impossible for the Broncos to bring him back because of the salary cap hit they had to eat when they cut him.i wonder if this deal was in the works before the fax snafoo.
moleculo
Footballguy
That's not accurate. Doom's cap hit in Baltimore is $2.5m. Den could have afforded that, and from what I understand, their contract offer wad similar to Baltimores, which was similar to the original contract Elvis failed to fax back in time.No, its pretty clear that Doom is a Raven because he got butthurt that Elway had the audacity to follow through with his threat to release him if he didn't renegotiate. He would have gone back to Denver if everyone else low-balled him, but since Baltimore came through with a legit offer, he's gone.Dumervil would not have been available. It could not have been pre-arranged, as he was under contract to Denver. So the benefit was they could sign him, when before he was totally off limits.Dumervil ends up playing for less money, so I am not sure what the benefit is. He did get a mult-year deal (instead of a 1 year deal), so I suppose you could say that was a plus. However, his annual average salary went from $12M in DEN to $7M in BAL.I think both sides would have been happy enough if he stayed in DEN, but the contract mishap made it nearly impossible for the Broncos to bring him back because of the salary cap hit they had to eat when they cut him.i wonder if this deal was in the works before the fax snafoo.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
Yes, his salary cap hit for THIS year is $2.5M, but obviously at some point it would escalate. Had the Broncos matched the Ravens offer, Dumervil would account for $7.5M against the cap ($5M in dead money and $2.5M from the new contract). But by doing that, they would have been setting themselves up for the same situation again (they would at some point want him to redo his deal and accept less money and try to clear cap room).That's not accurate. Doom's cap hit in Baltimore is $2.5m. Den could have afforded that, and from what I understand, their contract offer wad similar to Baltimores, which was similar to the original contract Elvis failed to fax back in time.No, its pretty clear that Doom is a Raven because he got butthurt that Elway had the audacity to follow through with his threat to release him if he didn't renegotiate. He would have gone back to Denver if everyone else low-balled him, but since Baltimore came through with a legit offer, he's gone.Dumervil would not have been available. It could not have been pre-arranged, as he was under contract to Denver. So the benefit was they could sign him, when before he was totally off limits.Dumervil ends up playing for less money, so I am not sure what the benefit is. He did get a mult-year deal (instead of a 1 year deal), so I suppose you could say that was a plus. However, his annual average salary went from $12M in DEN to $7M in BAL.I think both sides would have been happy enough if he stayed in DEN, but the contract mishap made it nearly impossible for the Broncos to bring him back because of the salary cap hit they had to eat when they cut him.i wonder if this deal was in the works before the fax snafoo.
moleculo
Footballguy
From what I've read, broncos and ravens offers were nearly identical. Broncos would have back-loaded it just as easily as Baltimore. The unfaxed contract called for Elvis to count $8m vs the 2013 cap anyways. If the money was close, elvis was leaving. That's what happened.Yes, his salary cap hit for THIS year is $2.5M, but obviously at some point it would escalate. Had the Broncos matched the Ravens offer, Dumervil would account for $7.5M against the cap ($5M in dead money and $2.5M from the new contract). But by doing that, they would have been setting themselves up for the same situation again (they would at some point want him to redo his deal and accept less money and try to clear cap room).That's not accurate. Doom's cap hit in Baltimore is $2.5m. Den could have afforded that, and from what I understand, their contract offer wad similar to Baltimores, which was similar to the original contract Elvis failed to fax back in time.No, its pretty clear that Doom is a Raven because he got butthurt that Elway had the audacity to follow through with his threat to release him if he didn't renegotiate. He would have gone back to Denver if everyone else low-balled him, but since Baltimore came through with a legit offer, he's gone.Dumervil would not have been available. It could not have been pre-arranged, as he was under contract to Denver. So the benefit was they could sign him, when before he was totally off limits.Dumervil ends up playing for less money, so I am not sure what the benefit is. He did get a mult-year deal (instead of a 1 year deal), so I suppose you could say that was a plus. However, his annual average salary went from $12M in DEN to $7M in BAL.I think both sides would have been happy enough if he stayed in DEN, but the contract mishap made it nearly impossible for the Broncos to bring him back because of the salary cap hit they had to eat when they cut him.i wonder if this deal was in the works before the fax snafoo.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
A lot, thanks.
Doubtingthomas
Footballguy
Last I heard the Broncos were offering the same money for the first two years with similar money deferring the cap hit with a signing bonus like the ravens did. He took the money and the five year contract with incentives. From his prospective Baltimore had a better offer and he could give a finger to Denver.
Raven's fans will find out that he is over rated. Most of his sacks are against the inferior to mediocre teams in the NFL. (in his defense, when half your games are against the AFC west that kinda hard to avoid)When he does get sacks against the upper echelon teams, half of those are in garbage time. Elvis is kind of a one trick pony. He's a decent pass rusher (although he disappears for long periods of time) he is a liability in the running game.
cstu
Footballguy
He's replacing the Ravens leader in sacks who only had 15.5 sacks the past three years to Dumervil's 37.5. That's the #1 job of a 3-4 OLB. Besides, Kruger wasn't great against the run either.
moleculo
Footballguy
Elvis Dumervil contract: Former Broncos DE took less to be with Ravens
like I said above - this is about Elvis being butthurt that Elway asked him to restructure to market value, and then proceeding with cutting him when Elvis failed to get his response in on time.
