Dwayne Bowe 5 year deal with Chiefs (1 Viewer)

[GregR]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefterChiefs didn't use tag on WR Dwayne Bowe because they didn't have to. Chiefs and Bowe have reached agreement on a five-year deal.

 

[GregR]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefterDeal with Dwayne Bowe allows Chiefs to tag OL Branden Albert.

 

[RUSF18]

Does tagging Albert allow them to bring Joeckel along more slowly, or could this in any way cause them to look elsewhere with the #1?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I don't see how they can take Joeckel if they tag Albert. It would cost them $9.7 Million to tag Albert.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I don't see how they can take Joeckel if they tag Albert. It would cost them $9.7 Million to tag Albert.

And I'm not 100% sure but isnt there RT pretty good?

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I don't see how they can take Joeckel if they tag Albert. It would cost them $9.7 Million to tag Albert.

And I'm not 100% sure but isnt there RT pretty good?

Eric Winston, the guy they picked up as a FA from Houston. He's signed for $22 million over four years.So are they really going to tag Albert at $9.7m only to move him to guard so they can take Joeckel who will have a bigger contract than what Matt Kalil got last year which looked like this?:Signing Bonus = $12,818,620Year1 Cap: $3,594,655Year2 Cap: $4,493,318Year3 Cap: $5,391,981Year4 Cap: $6,290,644

 

[Sweet Love]

A bunch of soon-to-be rookie WRs just saw their bank accounts swell a tad...I certainly think that Andy could have looked somewhat early for a WR to replace Bowe, but now someone who is going to be left out of the Jennings sweepstakes will reach for a WR, starting a chain reaction.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I don't see how they can take Joeckel if they tag Albert.

It would cost them $9.7 Million to tag Albert.

And I'm not 100% sure but isnt there RT pretty good?

Eric Winston, the guy they picked up as a FA from Houston. He's signed for $22 million over four years.So are they really going to tag Albert at $9.7m only to move him to guard so they can take Joeckel who will have a bigger contract than what Matt Kalil got last year which looked like this?:

Signing Bonus = $12,818,620

Year1 Cap: $3,594,655

Year2 Cap: $4,493,318

Year3 Cap: $5,391,981

Year4 Cap: $6,290,644

I guess if you're going to build a strength it should be OL I thought on the "Path to the Draft" on NFLN they said they have like 2 DL under conract or something

 

[beef]

baldwin value

 

[BlackMamba24]

I don't see how they can take Joeckel if they tag Albert.

It would cost them $9.7 Million to tag Albert.

And I'm not 100% sure but isnt there RT pretty good?

Eric Winston, the guy they picked up as a FA from Houston. He's signed for $22 million over four years.So are they really going to tag Albert at $9.7m only to move him to guard so they can take Joeckel who will have a bigger contract than what Matt Kalil got last year which looked like this?:

Signing Bonus = $12,818,620

Year1 Cap: $3,594,655

Year2 Cap: $4,493,318

Year3 Cap: $5,391,981

Year4 Cap: $6,290,644

I guess if you're going to build a strength it should be OL I thought on the "Path to the Draft" on NFLN they said they have like 2 DL under conract or something

KC fan here,I can see the chiefs going DL instead of OL especially since Albert is now tagged.

The chiefs will need to redo Tyson Jackson's contract or he will be cut. His cap number is WAY to much (nearly 17.5 million, I believe). KC can save a lot of money there. Dorsey is a FA and won't be coming back. Ropati Pitoitua is also a free agent. I Wouldn't be surprised if we went DLineman (Again), especially if Jackson is released. That would leave 2 openings on the D-Line. KC could also be in the running to sign Chris Canty (NY), he visited a couple weeks ago

 

[GroveDiesel]

A bunch of soon-to-be rookie WRs just saw their bank accounts swell a tad...I certainly think that Andy could have looked somewhat early for a WR to replace Bowe, but now someone who is going to be left out of the Jennings sweepstakes will reach for a WR, starting a chain reaction.

There are a lot of decent WRs out there in FA this year. I doubt this changes anything in the draft.

 

[RUSF18]

I don't see how they can take Joeckel if they tag Albert.

It would cost them $9.7 Million to tag Albert.

And I'm not 100% sure but isnt there RT pretty good?

Eric Winston, the guy they picked up as a FA from Houston. He's signed for $22 million over four years.So are they really going to tag Albert at $9.7m only to move him to guard so they can take Joeckel who will have a bigger contract than what Matt Kalil got last year which looked like this?:

Signing Bonus = $12,818,620

Year1 Cap: $3,594,655

Year2 Cap: $4,493,318

Year3 Cap: $5,391,981

Year4 Cap: $6,290,644

I guess if you're going to build a strength it should be OL I thought on the "Path to the Draft" on NFLN they said they have like 2 DL under conract or something

KC fan here,I can see the chiefs going DL instead of OL especially since Albert is now tagged.

The chiefs will need to redo Tyson Jackson's contract or he will be cut. His cap number is WAY to much (nearly 17.5 million, I believe). KC can save a lot of money there. Dorsey is a FA and won't be coming back. Ropati Pitoitua is also a free agent. I Wouldn't be surprised if we went DLineman (Again), especially if Jackson is released. That would leave 2 openings on the D-Line. KC could also be in the running to sign Chris Canty (NY), he visited a couple weeks ago

Painful to talk about using the #1 overall pick on a DL a sentence before discussing cutting a #3 overall DL and a #5 overall DL not being re-signed.

 

[BlackMamba24]

I don't see how they can take Joeckel if they tag Albert.

It would cost them $9.7 Million to tag Albert.

And I'm not 100% sure but isnt there RT pretty good?

Eric Winston, the guy they picked up as a FA from Houston. He's signed for $22 million over four years.So are they really going to tag Albert at $9.7m only to move him to guard so they can take Joeckel who will have a bigger contract than what Matt Kalil got last year which looked like this?:

Signing Bonus = $12,818,620

Year1 Cap: $3,594,655

Year2 Cap: $4,493,318

Year3 Cap: $5,391,981

Year4 Cap: $6,290,644

I guess if you're going to build a strength it should be OL I thought on the "Path to the Draft" on NFLN they said they have like 2 DL under conract or something

KC fan here,I can see the chiefs going DL instead of OL especially since Albert is now tagged.

The chiefs will need to redo Tyson Jackson's contract or he will be cut. His cap number is WAY to much (nearly 17.5 million, I believe). KC can save a lot of money there. Dorsey is a FA and won't be coming back. Ropati Pitoitua is also a free agent. I Wouldn't be surprised if we went DLineman (Again), especially if Jackson is released. That would leave 2 openings on the D-Line. KC could also be in the running to sign Chris Canty (NY), he visited a couple weeks ago

Painful to talk about using the #1 overall pick on a DL a sentence before discussing cutting a #3 overall DL and a #5 overall DL not being re-signed.

Yup, hoping for a trade down, but I don't see that happening.

I think Tyson will be back but I don't think they will keep him at his current number. There is no way. Glenn Dorsey needs to go to a 4-3 defense.

 

[Golfjim]

Doesn't this increase Moeaki's value a bit now that Smith is in house?

 

[GroveDiesel]

I don't see how they can take Joeckel if they tag Albert.

It would cost them $9.7 Million to tag Albert.

And I'm not 100% sure but isnt there RT pretty good?

Eric Winston, the guy they picked up as a FA from Houston. He's signed for $22 million over four years.So are they really going to tag Albert at $9.7m only to move him to guard so they can take Joeckel who will have a bigger contract than what Matt Kalil got last year which looked like this?:

Signing Bonus = $12,818,620

Year1 Cap: $3,594,655

Year2 Cap: $4,493,318

Year3 Cap: $5,391,981

Year4 Cap: $6,290,644

I guess if you're going to build a strength it should be OL I thought on the "Path to the Draft" on NFLN they said they have like 2 DL under conract or something

KC fan here,I can see the chiefs going DL instead of OL especially since Albert is now tagged.

The chiefs will need to redo Tyson Jackson's contract or he will be cut. His cap number is WAY to much (nearly 17.5 million, I believe). KC can save a lot of money there. Dorsey is a FA and won't be coming back. Ropati Pitoitua is also a free agent. I Wouldn't be surprised if we went DLineman (Again), especially if Jackson is released. That would leave 2 openings on the D-Line. KC could also be in the running to sign Chris Canty (NY), he visited a couple weeks ago

Painful to talk about using the #1 overall pick on a DL a sentence before discussing cutting a #3 overall DL and a #5 overall DL not being re-signed.

Sure, but those are picks made by the previous regime.And it's obviously still an area of need. If there are players that can be difference makers in an area of need, you have to take them despite draft past. The Lions kept taking WRs with high picks and whiffing. They got mocked for continuing to take WRs but ended up with Calvin Johnson. Teams can't allow past failures keep them from taking the right guy in the current draft.

 

[voiceofunreason]

I don't see how they can take Joeckel if they tag Albert.

It would cost them $9.7 Million to tag Albert.

And I'm not 100% sure but isnt there RT pretty good?

Eric Winston, the guy they picked up as a FA from Houston. He's signed for $22 million over four years.So are they really going to tag Albert at $9.7m only to move him to guard so they can take Joeckel who will have a bigger contract than what Matt Kalil got last year which looked like this?:

Signing Bonus = $12,818,620

Year1 Cap: $3,594,655

Year2 Cap: $4,493,318

Year3 Cap: $5,391,981

Year4 Cap: $6,290,644

I guess if you're going to build a strength it should be OL I thought on the "Path to the Draft" on NFLN they said they have like 2 DL under conract or something

KC fan here,I can see the chiefs going DL instead of OL especially since Albert is now tagged.

The chiefs will need to redo Tyson Jackson's contract or he will be cut. His cap number is WAY to much (nearly 17.5 million, I believe). KC can save a lot of money there. Dorsey is a FA and won't be coming back. Ropati Pitoitua is also a free agent. I Wouldn't be surprised if we went DLineman (Again), especially if Jackson is released. That would leave 2 openings on the D-Line. KC could also be in the running to sign Chris Canty (NY), he visited a couple weeks ago

I would hope they wouldn't go 3-4 DE in the top 5 again. I don't see that happening.

 

[cstu]

Doesn't this increase Moeaki's value a bit now that Smith is in house?

I like Moeaki better with Smith, but thought he would be better off if Bowe left.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

@adamteicher: But Albert indicated he wasn't interested in changing positions: "I’ll be playing left tackle."

 

[JamesTheScot]

Shouldn't laugh at anyone's misfortune but there seems to have been a lot of interest in Baldwin based on the assumption that Bowe would not return to KC. Baldwin owner have to be hating this news.

 

[Gopher State]

Alex Smiths value just went UPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

Good moves, both Albert and Bowe. Same with signing Smith. This lets them go BPA regardless of position. Even if it is Joeckel or Smith, take the best guy in the draft at #1. If you can get a 10 year player with pro bowl potential, ignore position.Albert is 29. Maybe play Joeckel a year or two at guard or RT and move Winston inside. A DL would work, so would grooming Geno if they believe he's the real deal. Milner or a stud pass rusher like Jordan. They can't go wrong.

 

[Phenix]

Shouldn't laugh at anyone's misfortune but there seems to have been a lot of interest in Baldwin based on the assumption that Bowe would not return to KC. Baldwin owner have to be hating this news.

Moved him for Michael Bush yesterday. Nothing special, but this is what I feared. They still may try to use him, but he plays the same spot as Bowe naturally because of size, may be hard to do.

 

[Kleck]

Doesn't this increase Moeaki's value a bit now that Smith is in house?

I think so. Picked him off waivers in one league to compete with Housler for my #2 next year.

 

[Kleck]

Shouldn't laugh at anyone's misfortune but there seems to have been a lot of interest in Baldwin based on the assumption that Bowe would not return to KC. Baldwin owner have to be hating this news.

Not that it was really that high to begin with, but yes, Baldwin's value back down into the crapper. Guy really needs to step up soon or even those with a little faith left will be flushing.

 

[Black]

What do people think of Bowe's value in Reid's offense with ASmith at the helm?

 

[Biabreakable]

What do people think of Bowe's value in Reid's offense with ASmith at the helm?

I think it is a good match as Bowe is good at intermediate route running with good strength and RAC ability. Smith will likely target Bowe a lot more than anyone else KC will have this season and Reid just cannot stop calling pass plays no matter how good his running backs may be. Good thing for Charles that he is also a good receiver. Charles may be the 2nd most targeted player by Smith after Bowe. The TE position usually sees a lot of targets in this scheme also. So if one guy can command that role they might be the 2 after Bowe but not if the looks are split between 2 or more players.

 

[coolnerd]

Good moves, both Albert and Bowe. Same with signing Smith. This lets them go BPA regardless of position. Even if it is Joeckel or Smith, take the best guy in the draft at #1. If you can get a 10 year player with pro bowl potential, ignore position.Albert is 29. Maybe play Joeckel a year or two at guard or RT and move Winston inside. A DL would work, so would grooming Geno if they believe he's the real deal. Milner or a stud pass rusher like Jordan. They can't go wrong.

i was thinking similiar. also, if some team wants to move up having taken care of immediate needs allows them to do so. There is basically zero chance they get the crazy package that the Redskins offered for RGIII, but even an extra pick or two would be valuable.

 

[Warpig]

Albert will get franchised for a 1 year "prove it" deal due to his back injury. I think they still take Joekel (sp). That way they have him waiting in the wings if Albert leaves next year. Joeckel can play RT his first year, bump the other guy inside maybe?

I think with the #1 overall pick you go OT or QB. They need a CB too, but would they really take a CB #1 overall? Yeesh.

 

[Benchwarmers]

Bowe and how his new contract is set up. (from PFT)

Top three WR with $56 million deal

1. $15 million signing bonus.

2. $750,000 fully-guaranteed base salary in 2013.

3. $250,000 workout bonus in each year of the contract.

4. $8.75 million base salary in 2014, $4.25 million of which is fully guaranteed now and $4.5 million of which is guaranteed for injury only now. The $4.5 million becomes fully guaranteed on the third day of the 2014 league year.

5. $10.75 million base salary in 2015. $1.5 million is guaranteed for injury now, and it becomes fully guaranteed on the third day of the 2014 (not 2015) league year.

6. $9.75 million base salary in 2016.

7. $9.75 million base salary in 2017.

It adds up to $36 million over the first three years, and $56 million over five. Of the amount, $26 million is guaranteed. $20 million is fully guaranteed now. The other $6 million becomes fully guaranteed next year.

 

[rascal]

The five-year contract Dwayne Bowe signed with the Chiefs Tuesday is worth a total of $56M and contains $26M in guarantees. Bowe is now the NFL's third highest paid wide receiver, behind only Calvin Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald.

Wow. Bowe is good, but he isn't top 3 in the NFL good.

 

[jurb26]

The five-year contract Dwayne Bowe signed with the Chiefs Tuesday is worth a total of $56M and contains $26M in guarantees. Bowe is now the NFL's third highest paid wide receiver, behind only Calvin Johnson and Larry Fitzgerald. Wow. Bowe is good, but he isn't top 3 in the NFL good.

The only reason he is being paid like a top 3 WR is because his deal is the latest to be done. Several other WRs would fetch better deals than him if their contracts were to be up at the same time.

 

[Kleck]

Pierre Garcon is probably near the top from his deal last year. Five-year, $42.5 million contract, $20.5 million guaranteed.

Wallace will get more than Bowe making him the #3 highest.

 

[TheFanatic]

And quite frankly, KC has to overpay to get people to stay. At least right now they do until they can show they can win

 

[RUSF18]

Winston released according to Schefter on twitter.

 

[cstu]

Winston released according to Schefter on twitter.

Did he really play that bad last year? His next three yearly salaries were going to be $4.9M, $3.9M and $3.9M.

 

[cstu]

While Winston was tweeting out his classy goodbye, newly tagged left tackle Branden Albert was venting on his Twitter page about a potential position switch. When asked by one of his followers if he saw himself strictly as a left tackle, Albert replied, "You're damn right."

 

[DerekR]

Winston was pretty damn bad last year.

 

[Donnybrook]

Winston released according to Schefter on twitter.

I can't comment on his play did not watch any KC games last season but I like the way he defended Cassel. He seemed like a high character guy. How bad was he? Should the Vikings be looking at him if Loadholt proves to be too expensive to re-sign?

 

[flapgreen]

What is the dead money after releasing Winston? That seems like a bad move on a guy they just signed after he had one bad season.

 

[Biabreakable]

I am sure a lot of teams would consider Winston an upgrade over what they had last season.

The move does suggest that the Chiefs may be taking a Tackle if they stay at pick 1.

 

[Donnybrook]

I am sure a lot of teams would consider Winston an upgrade over what they had last season.

The move does suggest that the Chiefs may be taking a Tackle if they stay at pick 1.

Its anyone guess on what KC will do? KC took a very athletic LT project named Donald Stephenson in the 3rd round of last years draft. He might be penciled in for Winston's spot.

 

[Biabreakable]

I am sure a lot of teams would consider Winston an upgrade over what they had last season.

The move does suggest that the Chiefs may be taking a Tackle if they stay at pick 1.

Its anyone guess on what KC will do? KC took a very athletic LT project named Donald Stephenson in the 3rd round of last years draft. He might be penciled in for Winston's spot.

Ah. I do recall reading about Stephenson a bit as a prospect last year and perhaps you are right.I have not been following the Chiefs at all but Winston has been a pretty good tackle at times in his career. I would think the Cards, Bears and likely quite a few other teams could use him. I am guessing Winston's contract was not team friendly enough for them to try to trade him. Or was he injured or something?

There are several former starting tackles available in this years free agency, more than I recall usually seeing.

ETA -

Well, things are certainly interesting in Kansas City these days. Veteran right tackle Eric Winston, who signed a four-year, $22 million contract with the Chiefs in March of 2012, has been released with just a year burned off that contract.

Per our own Brian McIntyre, Winston was scheduled to earn $4.9 million in base salary with a $100,000 workout bonus and $500,000 in "per game" roster bonuses in 2013. By releasing Winston, the Chiefs will save $5.5 million in cash and $3.5 million in cap space as the remaining $3 million in proration from his $4 million signing bonus in 2012 is accelerated onto the Chiefs' salary cap.

Winston, selected by the Houston Texans in the third round of the 2006 NFL Draft, was a solid player for the Chiefs in 2012, but given his history as a zone blocker, and new head coach Andy Reid's preference for straight-ahead man-on-man power blockers, it may not have been the best fit. The question now becomes what the Chiefs will do with tackle Branden Albert, who they gave the franchise tag last Monday. After the Chiefs traded for ex-San Francisco 49ers quarterback Alex Smith, any chance that a signal-caller would be taken with the first overall pick owned by the Chiefs pretty much went out the window.

There's always the possibility that Kansas City could take one of the draft class' highly-regarded offensive tackles, such as Luke Joeckel of Texas A&M, or Central Michigan's Eric Fisher. Such a move would likely involve Albert moving from left tackle to the right side, and according to a few of Albert's tweets just after Winston's trade was announced, that wasn't going over so well.

The tweets, since deleted from Albert's account, were in response to a few fans who asked him how he felt about a move to the right side (Response: "No way"), and whether he felt that he was a natural left tackle (Response: "You damn right"). He concluded with "Don't get mad I don't give you the answer you don't want to hear... That's your bad," when a few more people insinuated that Albert would not do what was best for the team.

So, if they select Joeckel or Fisher with that first overall pick, the Chiefs have a few options. They could trade Albert after he signs his tender, try to convince him to move to the right side, move either Joeckel of Fisher to the right side and give Albert a year to show what he can do, or try to move Albert inside to guard. Or, they could take a great defender like Alabama cornerback Dee Milliner or Florida defensive lineman Sharrif Floyd, and put all this to rest.

One thing's for sure: Andy Reid's teams are never short on drama, and that fact has certainly moved with him from Philadelphia to Kansas City.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/chiefs-release-rt-eric-winston-branden-albert-confirms-015544681--nfl.html

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Winston was pretty damn bad last year.

Huh? He gave up 3 sacks. The only RT's who gave up less played less snaps in pass-pro. Read that in a tweet. And he's a great run-blocker, can't imagine that fell off.Just checked, PFF has him as their highest rated Chiefs OL last year, higher than Albert. This release has more to do with Reid not really being a ZBS guy.

 

[Steed]

Crazy to think he didn't have some trade value. Pff ranked him as the 9th best RT in the league.