DWill has the 2nd highest ypc ever? (1 Viewer)

[mr roboto]

Saw this on the broadcast tonight. I'm sure everyone here knew that.

How does a guy that produces at that level and gets a contract extension and is the only back on his team healthy get so few attempts?

Cam is electric but still. They get down early and seemingly abandon the run. If he's that productive he should get 15-20 carries per game.

What's the deal? Homers?

 

[Banger]

Saw this on the broadcast tonight. I'm sure everyone here knew that.

How does a guy that produces at that level and gets a contract extension and is the only back on his team healthy get so few attempts?

Cam is electric but still. They get down early and seemingly abandon the run. If he's that productive he should get 15-20 carries per game.

What's the deal? Homers?

Here's your answer.

 

[Ariakis]

Also saw him open for many check downs and Cam went ahead with the deep ball into coverage (or took a sack) many times. Very odd use to not get that guy in space.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Most misused/underused player in the league.

 

[Banger]

Saw this on the broadcast tonight. I'm sure everyone here knew that.

How does a guy that produces at that level and gets a contract extension and is the only back on his team healthy get so few attempts?

Cam is electric but still. They get down early and seemingly abandon the run. If he's that productive he should get 15-20 carries per game.

What's the deal? Homers?

Here's your answer.

Yea but they don't seem to get him going early either. I thought Fox liked to run the ball.

Fox in Denver.

 

[mr roboto]

Saw this on the broadcast tonight. I'm sure everyone here knew that.

How does a guy that produces at that level and gets a contract extension and is the only back on his team healthy get so few attempts?

Cam is electric but still. They get down early and seemingly abandon the run. If he's that productive he should get 15-20 carries per game.

What's the deal? Homers?

Here's your answer.

Yea but they don't seem to get him going early either. I thought Fox liked to run the ball.

Fox in Denver.

Just remembered that. I'm a bit drunk tonite.

 

[BassNBrew]

Most misused/underused player in the league.

Potential HOF'er not to be.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Wish Detroit would have paid for him when he was a FA.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

Most misused/underused player in the league.

Potential HOF'er not to be.

Everytime I watch him I come away impressed with his power, quickness ability to find holes etc. Then I think of his situation and how upsetting it is that we don't get to watch this guy get a chance to be great.Can you imagine him being a major part of an offense the focal point? Oh wait we did get to see that.. He had 1700 yards and 20 td's in 2008.

 

[Eminence]

That stat almost seems impossible. Makes you realize how ridiculous the season he had a few years ago?

 

[BassNBrew]

Most misused/underused player in the league.

Potential HOF'er not to be.

Everytime I watch him I come away impressed with his power, quickness ability to find holes etc. Then I think of his situation and how upsetting it is that we don't get to watch this guy get a chance to be great.Can you imagine him being a major part of an offense the focal point? Oh wait we did get to see that.. He had 1700 yards and 20 td's in 2008.

That said, he does seem to fold if things don't go his way early. He looks like a HOF'er at times and then nothing special if there's traffic in the backfield.

 

[BassNBrew]

Most misused/underused player in the league.

Potential HOF'er not to be.

Everytime I watch him I come away impressed with his power, quickness ability to find holes etc. Then I think of his situation and how upsetting it is that we don't get to watch this guy get a chance to be great.Can you imagine him being a major part of an offense the focal point? Oh wait we did get to see that.. He had 1700 yards and 20 td's in 2008.

That said, he does seem to fold if things don't go his way early. He looks like a HOF'er at times and then nothing special if there's traffic in the backfield.

 

[Smarge]

Wish Detroit would have paid for him when he was a FA.

Wish he'd gone to a number of teams that would have used him as a lead back in a normal offense. Would have been fun to see.

 

[Yolkix]

I don't know why they don't use him more as a receiver when Stewart is out.. it took Anderson to enter the game for the last minute and change for someone to realize the dude can catch and run with the football.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Most misused/underused player in the league.

Summed it up best, guy should have been a HoF candidate but was never used to his max except once for an 8 game stretch one season.

 

[wingm@n]

With the way they run their offense, I sometimes wonder why the Panthers even bothered investing so much money in Williams, Stewart, and Tolbert.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

You have a guy on your roster that averages more yards per carry than Barry Sanders, but give more RB snaps to Mike Tolbert.

I guess he's getting paid so he can't complain too much, but it seems like such a waste of talent to see him get ignored week after week.

 

[cvnpoka]

Wish Detroit would have paid for him when he was a FA.

Wish he'd gone to a number of teams that would have used him as a lead back in a normal offense. Would have been fun to see.

me too. then ppl wouldnt be confused by his ypc that he may actually be a good player.

 

[mr roboto]

Wish Detroit would have paid for him when he was a FA.

Wish he'd gone to a number of teams that would have used him as a lead back in a normal offense. Would have been fun to see.

me too. then ppl wouldnt be confused by his ypc that he may actually be a good player.

Ok.

 

[Bad_Mo]

This coach is trying to rival Todd Haley with his lack of football intelligence and understanding his roster/talent. Plus, he looks like a dope with those blank stares on the sidelines. If it walks like a Rivera and smells like a Rivera...

 

[sho nuff]

I don't know why they don't use him more as a receiver when Stewart is out.. it took Anderson to enter the game for the last minute and change for someone to realize the dude can catch and run with the football.

I saw the same thing...they keep throwing to Tolbert who simply does not have the moves after the catch that Williams has.And yes, Im a disgruntled owner who had to start Williams due to other injuries (Bradshaw the main one and watched my opponent this week snag brown ahead of me on the wire and start him against me).

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Most misused/underused player in the league.

Potential HOF'er not to be.

Everytime I watch him I come away impressed with his power, quickness ability to find holes etc. Then I think of his situation and how upsetting it is that we don't get to watch this guy get a chance to be great.Can you imagine him being a major part of an offense the focal point? Oh wait we did get to see that.. He had 1700 yards and 20 td's in 2008.

That said, he does seem to fold if things don't go his way early. He looks like a HOF'er at times and then nothing special if there's traffic in the backfield.

you just described almost every RB save Barry Sanders.

 

[coachbobbyfinstock]

DWill looks great at times and capable of being a #1 RB. Problem is J Stewart also looks great when he is healthy. Excellent of example of if you have 2 #1 rbs on your team you really have 0.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Jim Brown will be 2nd, and DWil 3rd the second Jamaal Charles reaches 1000 carries. Charles is on pace to completely shatter this record. The question is whether he'll be able to hold it through the rest of his career.

 

[meyerj31]

You have a guy on your roster that averages more yards per carry than Barry Sanders, but give more RB snaps to Mike Tolbert.I guess he's getting paid so he can't complain too much, but it seems like such a waste of talent to see him get ignored week after week.

Maybe the fact that he has such a high YPC is because they use him sparingly, so he has fresh legs when he comes in to play? Comparing DWil to every-play-for-10-years guys like Brown and Sanders is asinine. There is no comparison. They played every snap, the defense knew they were getting the ball, and for 10 years they both crushed.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

You have a guy on your roster that averages more yards per carry than Barry Sanders, but give more RB snaps to Mike Tolbert.I guess he's getting paid so he can't complain too much, but it seems like such a waste of talent to see him get ignored week after week.

Maybe the fact that he has such a high YPC is because they use him sparingly, so he has fresh legs when he comes in to play? Comparing DWil to every-play-for-10-years guys like Brown and Sanders is asinine. There is no comparison. They played every snap, the defense knew they were getting the ball, and for 10 years they both crushed.

Actually, DWil's Y/C has increased as his workload has gone up. His best years were those with the most carries: in 2008 and 2009 he got the ball about 17 times/game and his Y/C were 5.2 and 5.5. Obviously still not Brown/Sanders territory, but it's not like he racked up the big numbers in a bit role.

 

[Sweet Love]

The most interesting part about it all is that everyone seems so upset by it but Williams, himself. He took the money to stay with his good friend, Stewart. He also probably realizes that he extended his career by 3 years and will likely be able to walk properly by the time he is 40. He is fun to watch, and maybe I look on the bright side (taking fantasy out of it), but I will get to see him play a few more years, and I like that. I actually liked seeing Ricky Williams show burst/energy when he was splitting with Ronnie Brown at age 32. On the flipside, I also got to see LT as a Jets fan, and while he actually did fine, it was 90% based on vision/veteran savvy and 10% ability.

 

[BigJim®]

Most misused/underused player in the league.

I really don't get it. Just give him the darn ball as a normal carry. This whole Cam holding the ball until they both get to the line is ridiculous. Not using him on screens until the last 2 plays of the game is inexcusable. Really not following how 1-yard and cloud of dust Tolbert gets 4 receptions and D.Williams gets zero. Isn't Deangelo the first guy you want to have the ball with in space?

 

[BigJim®]

Most misused/underused player in the league.

Potential HOF'er not to be.

Everytime I watch him I come away impressed with his power, quickness ability to find holes etc. Then I think of his situation and how upsetting it is that we don't get to watch this guy get a chance to be great.Can you imagine him being a major part of an offense the focal point? Oh wait we did get to see that.. He had 1700 yards and 20 td's in 2008.

That said, he does seem to fold if things don't go his way early. He looks like a HOF'er at times and then nothing special if there's traffic in the backfield.

you just described almost every RB save Barry Sanders.

Doesn't Sanders have the NFL record for most negative yard plays? I'd say he's describing every RB in the NFL.

 

[AngryPatriot]

From what I saw last night it seemed like a lot of it was Cam's doing. He reminded me of Vince Young at his worst last night, not the "great" Cam Newton. Having said that, the coaching and play calling was a part, maybe a big part. The announcers did call it in the 2nd half where they mentioned the Panthers need to get some "offensive rhythm"... they got none. Cam looked nervous, played immature. He had DWill various times for dump offs, yardage gainers, pick up first downs but he lacked trust, it seemed, in anyone else but himself: the immature thing. The Saints make sure they get the ball into Sproles hands, be as creative as they need to be to make that happen. Not that the Panthers have a Sproles but they had DWill and should use his skills till he drops, but no. And it doesn't help that Cam seemed to kind of panic, let the game get out of control. They should have continued to lean heavily on DWill, Tolbert, let that open up the pass some. Surely, a lot of this goes to the coaching staff but Cam didn't think good on his feet last night. It was an embarrassingly easy win for the Giants.

 

[ichris]

So what's his YPC average? Haven't seen it mentioned in this thread.

 

[BassNBrew]

Most misused/underused player in the league.

Potential HOF'er not to be.

Everytime I watch him I come away impressed with his power, quickness ability to find holes etc. Then I think of his situation and how upsetting it is that we don't get to watch this guy get a chance to be great.Can you imagine him being a major part of an offense the focal point? Oh wait we did get to see that.. He had 1700 yards and 20 td's in 2008.

That said, he does seem to fold if things don't go his way early. He looks like a HOF'er at times and then nothing special if there's traffic in the backfield.

you just described almost every RB save Barry Sanders.

Doesn't Sanders have the NFL record for most negative yard plays? I'd say he's describing every RB in the NFL.

I wanted to compare him to Sanders, but Sanders didn't let a few negetive plays ruin the rest of his day. Some backs can deal with traffic and rack up a short gain.

 

[BigJim®]

Most misused/underused player in the league.

Potential HOF'er not to be.

Everytime I watch him I come away impressed with his power, quickness ability to find holes etc. Then I think of his situation and how upsetting it is that we don't get to watch this guy get a chance to be great.Can you imagine him being a major part of an offense the focal point? Oh wait we did get to see that.. He had 1700 yards and 20 td's in 2008.

That said, he does seem to fold if things don't go his way early. He looks like a HOF'er at times and then nothing special if there's traffic in the backfield.

you just described almost every RB save Barry Sanders.

Doesn't Sanders have the NFL record for most negative yard plays? I'd say he's describing every RB in the NFL.

I wanted to compare him to Sanders, but Sanders didn't let a few negetive plays ruin the rest of his day. Some backs can deal with traffic and rack up a short gain.

I agree some RBs are like that, but disagree that Williams is one of them. Even back when he was scoring 20 TDs he had a good share of negative carries. Difference is, he was getting 15-20 and was breaking 1-2 of them for huge gains as he got into the flow (not unlike Sanders). He's not getting those opportunities at all anymore. If he's lucky, he's getting a carry on an obvious running down (1st or 2nd in his role), being ignored in good screen situations, and on the bench when his multi-dimensional talents would be most valuable, and when the defense is expecting pass (3rd). Heck, even when he was getting the ball a few times last night, Cam was holding onto it until they got to the line - undecided if he rewally wanted to hand off. Deangelo just isn't that type of RB. He needs space, he needs to set up defenders, which he's always done very successfully (and his YPC evidences it). I think Sanders is a great comparison; a guy who often was met in the backfield, but if he ever got past the first line of defenders, look out.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

You have a guy on your roster that averages more yards per carry than Barry Sanders, but give more RB snaps to Mike Tolbert.I guess he's getting paid so he can't complain too much, but it seems like such a waste of talent to see him get ignored week after week.

Maybe the fact that he has such a high YPC is because they use him sparingly, so he has fresh legs when he comes in to play? Comparing DWil to every-play-for-10-years guys like Brown and Sanders is asinine. There is no comparison. They played every snap, the defense knew they were getting the ball, and for 10 years they both crushed.

Quick look at his game logs over his career and his YPC in games with 20+ carries seems to be much higher than his overall numbers. Perhaps Sanders and Brown's YPC were much higher because they were used more regularly.

 

[Voice Of Reason]

Most misused/underused player in the league.

Potential HOF'er not to be.

Everytime I watch him I come away impressed with his power, quickness ability to find holes etc. Then I think of his situation and how upsetting it is that we don't get to watch this guy get a chance to be great.Can you imagine him being a major part of an offense the focal point? Oh wait we did get to see that.. He had 1700 yards and 20 td's in 2008.

That said, he does seem to fold if things don't go his way early. He looks like a HOF'er at times and then nothing special if there's traffic in the backfield.

you just described almost every RB save Barry Sanders.

Doesn't Sanders have the NFL record for most negative yard plays? I'd say he's describing every RB in the NFL.

I wanted to compare him to Sanders, but Sanders didn't let a few negetive plays ruin the rest of his day. Some backs can deal with traffic and rack up a short gain.

I agree some RBs are like that, but disagree that Williams is one of them. Even back when he was scoring 20 TDs he had a good share of negative carries. Difference is, he was getting 15-20 and was breaking 1-2 of them for huge gains as he got into the flow (not unlike Sanders). He's not getting those opportunities at all anymore. If he's lucky, he's getting a carry on an obvious running down (1st or 2nd in his role), being ignored in good screen situations, and on the bench when his multi-dimensional talents would be most valuable, and when the defense is expecting pass (3rd). Heck, even when he was getting the ball a few times last night, Cam was holding onto it until they got to the line - undecided if he rewally wanted to hand off. Deangelo just isn't that type of RB. He needs space, he needs to set up defenders, which he's always done very successfully (and his YPC evidences it). I think Sanders is a great comparison; a guy who often was met in the backfield, but if he ever got past the first line of defenders, look out.

Success rate seems to agree with this. Williams career rate is around league average.

 

[Hipple Long Ware & Peete]

Most misused/underused player in the league.

Potential HOF'er not to be.

Everytime I watch him I come away impressed with his power, quickness ability to find holes etc. Then I think of his situation and how upsetting it is that we don't get to watch this guy get a chance to be great.Can you imagine him being a major part of an offense the focal point? Oh wait we did get to see that.. He had 1700 yards and 20 td's in 2008.

That said, he does seem to fold if things don't go his way early. He looks like a HOF'er at times and then nothing special if there's traffic in the backfield.

you just described almost every RB save Barry Sanders.

Doesn't Sanders have the NFL record for most negative yard plays? I'd say he's describing every RB in the NFL.

I don't know if yards after contact/making someone miss in the backfield is a recorded stat, but i'd bet that Barry is on top of that list.

 

[Bad_Mo]

The most interesting part about it all is that everyone seems so upset by it but Williams, himself. He took the money to stay with his good friend, Stewart. He also probably realizes that he extended his career by 3 years and will likely be able to walk properly by the time he is 40. He is fun to watch, and maybe I look on the bright side (taking fantasy out of it), but I will get to see him play a few more years, and I like that. I actually liked seeing Ricky Williams show burst/energy when he was splitting with Ronnie Brown at age 32. On the flipside, I also got to see LT as a Jets fan, and while he actually did fine, it was 90% based on vision/veteran savvy and 10% ability.

DWill is fun to watch...except for those designed hug/hand off plays between him and Newton. That one play last night was comical when DWill ripped the ball from Newton's hands who was second guessing the hand off.Doesn't it make it alot easier for defenders to tackle you when you are in a rugby scrum with the QB? Seriously...what is with that?