DWill signs with Carolina (1 Viewer)

[Riflemen]

I can't wrap my mind around what the Panthers were thinking here. 21 million guaranteed to a 29 year old RB? The market for FA RB's has been awful the last 5 years. What happens to Goodson now? He showed plenty of promise last year. I'm going to say it... Dumb move for the Panthers. And yes I own Stewart in Dynasty. What really ticks me off is that it looks like Bradshaw is going to get priced out of New York and that will be very bad news for my Jints.

 

[hook014]

Last year when Richardson was getting his roster prepared for a looong lockout a couple of Panther fans chimed in about how the guy didn't like to let go of his popular players. No matter how much it helped the team in the future.I have been kinda monitoring his deeds and statements since then and you know what? They're right.

Richardson has let go of several popular players in the past. As for DeAngelo, he wanted to be resigned.

Well maybe popular isnt the exact word. More like "players he really liked".Point is, and this signing reinforces it, Richardson will make illogical moves based on his own preferences.When trying to forecast for your FF team this has to be weighed in at some point.And local fans usually know an owners/ teams weaknesses better than those at a distance. I'd thank them right now if I could remember who they were. Kept me far away from this whole mess because I ceded to their knowledge.If that guy is reading this, and he might be, thank you.

 

[Carter_Can_Fly]

BUY MCGAHEE NOW

why?

probably because the thought is that he'll go to Denver and have a chance to be the lead there now that Dwill is out of play.

Yes I get that is what he is getting at, but Moreno owners can sigh now a lot more than if Williams ended up in Denver.McGahee is going to be 30 this year and his best over the last 2 years he has put up 348 yards rushing, and 540 yards rushing. Denver is going to sign someone as they are thin behind Moreno at this stage, but Moreno is in store for the majority of carries vs guys like McGahee, Snelling etc

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

I can't wrap my mind around what the Panthers were thinking here. 21 million guaranteed to a 29 year old RB? The market for FA RB's has been awful the last 5 years. What happens to Goodson now? He showed plenty of promise last year. I'm going to say it... Dumb move for the Panthers. And yes I own Stewart in Dynasty. What really ticks me off is that it looks like Bradshaw is going to get priced out of New York and that will be very bad news for my Jints.

Okay; I'll play devil's advocate. He just turned 28 back in late April. So in 2011 he's 28, in 2012 he's 29 and in 2013 he's 30; he could easily have 3 stud seasons in him. He has a career average of 5.1 YPC and its not like Stewart has ever proven he can be a true workhorse. With the Panthers having a young, raw QB, I don't see how bringing back an established, veterna, productive RB will do anything but help his maturation process. All of this is of course dependant on him staying healthy, something he hasn't done the last two seasons.

 

[Casting Couch]

BUY MCGAHEE NOW

why?

probably because the thought is that he'll go to Denver and have a chance to be the lead there now that Dwill is out of play.

At this point in his career, McGahee will be lucky to have a job. No way will he be the lead RB in Denver or anywhere else for that matter.

 

[Grahamburn]

I can't wrap my mind around what the Panthers were thinking here. 21 million guaranteed to a 29 year old RB? The market for FA RB's has been awful the last 5 years. What happens to Goodson now? He showed plenty of promise last year. I'm going to say it... Dumb move for the Panthers. And yes I own Stewart in Dynasty. What really ticks me off is that it looks like Bradshaw is going to get priced out of New York and that will be very bad news for my Jints.

The Panthers want to run the ball, and they don't care about your fantasy team.

Okay; I'll play devil's advocate. He just turned 28 back in late April. So in 2011 he's 28, in 2012 he's 29 and in 2013 he's 30; he could easily have 3 stud seasons in him. He has a career average of 5.1 YPC and its not like Stewart has ever proven he can be a true workhorse. With the Panthers having a young, raw QB, I don't see how bringing back an established, veterna, productive RB will do anything but help his maturation process. All of this is of course dependant on him staying healthy, something he hasn't done the last two seasons.

 

[thriftyrocker]

At this point in his career, McGahee will be lucky to have a job. No way will he be the lead RB in Denver or anywhere else for that matter.

Thomas Jones.I'd also bump Fannin. If he wasn't drafted in your league and you can claim him for free, get him.

 

[Riflemen]

I can't wrap my mind around what the Panthers were thinking here. 21 million guaranteed to a 29 year old RB? The market for FA RB's has been awful the last 5 years. What happens to Goodson now? He showed plenty of promise last year. I'm going to say it... Dumb move for the Panthers. And yes I own Stewart in Dynasty. What really ticks me off is that it looks like Bradshaw is going to get priced out of New York and that will be very bad news for my Jints.

The Panthers want to run the ball, and they don't care about your fantasy team.

Okay; I'll play devil's advocate. He just turned 28 back in late April. So in 2011 he's 28, in 2012 he's 29 and in 2013 he's 30; he could easily have 3 stud seasons in him. He has a career average of 5.1 YPC and its not like Stewart has ever proven he can be a true workhorse. With the Panthers having a young, raw QB, I don't see how bringing back an established, veterna, productive RB will do anything but help his maturation process. All of this is of course dependant on him staying healthy, something he hasn't done the last two seasons.

I guess they don't care about winning as well. Hey we all love a strong rushing attack. But there is a point of overkill. Goodson is an emerging talent. Stewart is ready for an increased role. Keeping DeAngelo at 21 million guaranteed is overkill and bad business. Those assets could be used to solidify the both lines, the d backfield or secure a weapon for their new QB in the passing game. Enjoy mediocrity Carolina. If I was a Panthers fan I'd be pissed. The only way I can explain this rationally is that they don't think much of Stewart at all.

 

[moderated]

deangelo and Stewarts dynasty values plummet

Goodson is now irrelevant.

Moreno's value skyrockets as he's now the lead back in Denver. McGahee would play the same role he played in Baltimore, maybe even less now that he's on his last lets.

 

[Casting Couch]

At this point in his career, McGahee will be lucky to have a job. No way will he be the lead RB in Denver or anywhere else for that matter.

Thomas Jones.I'd also bump Fannin. If he wasn't drafted in your league and you can claim him for free, get him.

Jeremiah Johnson

 

[Grahamburn]

I guess they don't care about winning as well. Hey we all love a strong rushing attack. But there is a point of overkill. Goodson is an emerging talent. Stewart is ready for an increased role. Keeping DeAngelo at 21 million guaranteed is overkill and bad business. Those assets could be used to solidify the both lines, the d backfield or secure a weapon for their new QB in the passing game. Enjoy mediocrity Carolina. If I was a Panthers fan I'd be pissed. The only way I can explain this rationally is that they don't think much of Stewart at all.

How does keeping a player as talented as DeAngelo Williams make you lose more? He's also the best kind of weapon to have for your new franchise QB. Steve Smith is under contract, and they've drafted several young WRs as well.

The Panther's fans love Williams. This signing is good for business in Carolina. They're showing the fans that they're willing to spend a little money to keep their players. In turn, the fans will come to the games.

The Panthers were decimated by injuries last season. I don't know how good/bad they'll be this year, but they'll be better, and I'd guess that they'd like to run the ball 500+ times if they can. Having several talented RBs helps you do that.

 

[Bob Magaw]

the wheels came off last year, between OL & RB injuries (possibly related) and horrific QB play (i actually think newton is a big upgrade over claussen, IMMEDIATELY)...

but just two seasons ago, stewart finished RB11 (16 games) and williams RB14 (in just 13 games)... they were the first RB duo in NFL history to both rush for over 1,100 yards, and had 10 & 7 rushing TDs, respectively...

Which means it does not happen often at all :( . And now they are both older on a team going through big changes.

point taken, but OTOH, not many teams have the luxury of a RB tandem as talented as CAR?probably a lot of teams (in the history of the NFL) didn't have ONE RB as talented...

deangelo is 28, but only 841 total carries in five years...

stewart just 24, with just 583 carries in three years...

age isn't a concern with stewart... i don't know if williams can play five more years at a high level, but given his relatively low mileage, he will be 30 at the start of his third season in this contract... imo he can play at a high level more than just two more years... he isn't really a banger, though he does have the strength to break tackles... some of the traits that make him special (burst and acceleration, suddenness, feet, quickness, lateral agility, cutting and stop/start ability, open field speed, vision, instincts, art of stringing moves together, patience and timing to follow blocks, etc.) COULD help preserve his career... sort of the antithesis of marion barber (very old, nearly spent-looking 28)...

 

[moderated]

deangelo is 28, but only 841 total carries in five years...

DeAngelo had tons of carries in college.Edit: He had 969 carries in college.

 

[Hoosier16]

JStew - 1100+ yards 11 TDs

DeAngelo - 1500+ yards 18 TDs

More like 1272 and 11 for JStew and 1369 and 7 for DWill. Still productive but it wasn't with a rookie QB.

 

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deangelo is 28, but only 841 total carries in five years...

DeAngelo had tons of carries in college.

That's an understatement. He WAS the offense here in MEmphis. Over 1000 touches and almost 7000 yards in 4 years here. Over 300 rushing attempts in each of his last two years.

 

[Sultans]

Moreno will outscore both Carolina backs. There was a thread about too much hatred for Moreno. Boy that guy was right. John Fox, plus renewed dedication from Moreno equals top 15 finish. Neither CAR back will sniff the top 15 now unless there is an injury.

 

[JamesTheScot]

JStew - 1100+ yards 11 TDs

DeAngelo - 1500+ yards 18 TDs

More like 1272 and 11 for JStew and 1369 and 7 for DWill. Still productive but it wasn't with a rookie QB.

I think he looking at 2008 numbers.

 

[twistd]

I am happy though for WIlliams and his family. Guy is quality, good family man, and I still root for him, just wish he had signed elsewhere in a high octane offense. You can never blame a player for taking the money and Carolina paid the man what he was worth. Williams is happy, that's for sure.

He almost had to take the money, but he will never sniff the playoffs on this team. But his other option was likely Denver, and they are a long way from the playoffs too. I just think Carolina is a wasteland for the next few years. I would have liked to see Williams play for a contending team some how.

 

[The Comedian]

I think it's a great signing by Carolina. Lock down the one thing on your team that doesn't suck. Especially considering how much they have to spend to get to the floor, I don't see how people are not liking this move (other than being a bitter Stewart owner, of course).

I also think it's a fine place to Williams to land/stay for fantasy purposes.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

JStew - 1100+ yards 11 TDs

DeAngelo - 1500+ yards 18 TDs

More like 1272 and 11 for JStew and 1369 and 7 for DWill. Still productive but it wasn't with a rookie QB.

I think he looking at 2008 numbers.

He was looking at 2008 numbers for DeAngelo, and 2009 for JStew.2008:

DeAngelo: 1500/18

JStew: 800/10

2009:

DeAngelo: 1100/7

Jstew: 1100/10

Anyone expecting a return to 2008 production on points per touch is kidding themselves. That was one of those once in a lifetime FF running back teams where everything with the O-line, scoring opportunites, etc all comes together in a perfect storm. They won't have anywhere near 28 touchdowns to divvy up between the two of them this year, and without an injury that makes both of their UPSIDES around the RB12 range.

 

[T with T]

They should have let dwill take a hike and Have Stewart/Goodson.. Now they are paying for 3 backs when they don't really need dwill, they need to resign Marshall and get some pass rusher/Linebackers resigned and new ones to compete because they are in a mess... I don't get throwing record setting money at an injury prone 28 year old back when you have two perfectly productive guys in Stewy/Goodson, just my .02 but let me know what is latest... Hope he doesn't sign there still but I know he will.

 

[Ian F]

I guess they don't care about winning as well. Hey we all love a strong rushing attack. But there is a point of overkill. Goodson is an emerging talent. Stewart is ready for an increased role. Keeping DeAngelo at 21 million guaranteed is overkill and bad business. Those assets could be used to solidify the both lines, the d backfield or secure a weapon for their new QB in the passing game. Enjoy mediocrity Carolina. If I was a Panthers fan I'd be pissed. The only way I can explain this rationally is that they don't think much of Stewart at all.

How does keeping a player as talented as DeAngelo Williams make you lose more? He's also the best kind of weapon to have for your new franchise QB. Steve Smith is under contract, and they've drafted several young WRs as well.

The Panther's fans love Williams. This signing is good for business in Carolina. They're showing the fans that they're willing to spend a little money to keep their players. In turn, the fans will come to the games.

The Panthers were decimated by injuries last season. I don't know how good/bad they'll be this year, but they'll be better, and I'd guess that they'd like to run the ball 500+ times if they can. Having several talented RBs helps you do that.

w Because the Jstew + Goodson + Sutton + 21mil on another position >>>> DWil + JStew + Goodson + Sutton who can't all be on the field at once!

 

[Bob Magaw]

it is a two RB league... of course one way to deal with this is to combine two less expensive options in the RBBC...

for real football purposes, this could have a rationale...

it is unclear what happens with steve smith... CAR may not have much at WR if he moves on (contingent on what happens at the position in the rest of free agancy)... what better way to protect the hoped for franchise QB newton and ease his development than having potentially the best RB duo in the league?

deangelo has had injury issues, but so has stewart... goodson isn't proven, and the panthers front office and new coaching staff may not have been prepared to stake their future on stewart as feature RB, as he has been dinged a few times... most agree he has the talent for feature RB material, but perhaps there is residual injury concern...

while most are down from a dynasty standpoint about this development (especially stewart owners), one or both could surprise in redraft relative to ADP...

 

[VaTerp]

Awful contract for Carolina. He is signed through age 34.

You can debate on whether or not they are overinvested in the RB position(I would disagree) but calling this awful contact for Carolina is hyperbole and wrong.Williams will be 32 at the end of the deal, not 34. He has relatively low mileage and is their best player IMO. Stewart is still on his relatively modest rookie deal and has had nagging foot/ankle/achilles issues.Not what I wanted from a fantasyt perspective but I think it could turn out better than many think and makes perfect sense to me from Carolina's perspective.

 

[SproutDaddy]

so what dwill and stewart have done in the past together is completely being ignored now?

That's what I've been thinking reading through this thread. Both can produce on a weekly basis as they've shown before. Don't understand why people are upset. Seems like a good thing for both since they both tend to get nicked up.

 

[Riflemen]

Bradshaw 4 years 18 million with 9 million guaranteed. DeAngelo 5 years 43 million with 21 million guaranteed. How much did Carolina overpay here?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Bradshaw 4 years 18 million with 9 million guaranteed. DeAngelo 5 years 43 million with 21 million guaranteed. How much did Carolina overpay here?

I want to know how JStew owners can be optimistic. Is this year 4 for him? I can't see Carolina singing him to DWill money when they all sit down and discuss contract extension. If Carolina had so much faith in JStew, why overspend or overextend for DWill? They had a decent combo there with JStew and the Goodson kid. And folks hyping up Goodson...buy low and stash maybe for down the road but you cannot envision him seeing the field much with DWill back on board. He was out the entire 2nd half of the season last year.

 

[msommer]

Bradshaw 4 years 18 million with 9 million guaranteed. DeAngelo 5 years 43 million with 21 million guaranteed. How much did Carolina overpay here?

I want to know how JStew owners can be optimistic. Is this year 4 for him? I can't see Carolina singing him to DWill money when they all sit down and discuss contract extension. If Carolina had so much faith in JStew, why overspend or overextend for DWill? They had a decent combo there with JStew and the Goodson kid. And folks hyping up Goodson...buy low and stash maybe for down the road but you cannot envision him seeing the field much with DWill back on board. He was out the entire 2nd half of the season last year.

It's an interesting situation. I'm not sure if Ron Rivera has a RB philosophy that people other than Jerry Richardson and MArty Hurney knows about. it's been said a few times that Fox's love of veterans is what kept Stewart from winning the job, but the money paid to DeAngelo Williams belies that. Stay tuned Sept 11th when we'll get our first real taste of the future...

 

[pghrob]

Bradshaw 4 years 18 million with 9 million guaranteed. DeAngelo 5 years 43 million with 21 million guaranteed. How much did Carolina overpay here?

I want to know how JStew owners can be optimistic. Is this year 4 for him? I can't see Carolina singing him to DWill money when they all sit down and discuss contract extension. If Carolina had so much faith in JStew, why overspend or overextend for DWill? They had a decent combo there with JStew and the Goodson kid. And folks hyping up Goodson...buy low and stash maybe for down the road but you cannot envision him seeing the field much with DWill back on board. He was out the entire 2nd half of the season last year.

It's an interesting situation. I'm not sure if Ron Rivera has a RB philosophy that people other than Jerry Richardson and MArty Hurney knows about. it's been said a few times that Fox's love of veterans is what kept Stewart from winning the job, but the money paid to DeAngelo Williams belies that. Stay tuned Sept 11th when we'll get our first real taste of the future...

Hmm...this is strange.Now my brain is concocting far fetched notions that something is about to happen. Cecil Lammey is tweeting thatsomething HUGE is brewing in Denver. This is pure speculation on my part, but would/could the Broncos work a trade tobring Stewart to Denver?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Bradshaw 4 years 18 million with 9 million guaranteed. DeAngelo 5 years 43 million with 21 million guaranteed. How much did Carolina overpay here?

I want to know how JStew owners can be optimistic. Is this year 4 for him? I can't see Carolina singing him to DWill money when they all sit down and discuss contract extension. If Carolina had so much faith in JStew, why overspend or overextend for DWill? They had a decent combo there with JStew and the Goodson kid. And folks hyping up Goodson...buy low and stash maybe for down the road but you cannot envision him seeing the field much with DWill back on board. He was out the entire 2nd half of the season last year.

It's an interesting situation. I'm not sure if Ron Rivera has a RB philosophy that people other than Jerry Richardson and MArty Hurney knows about. it's been said a few times that Fox's love of veterans is what kept Stewart from winning the job, but the money paid to DeAngelo Williams belies that. Stay tuned Sept 11th when we'll get our first real taste of the future...

Hmm...this is strange.Now my brain is concocting far fetched notions that something is about to happen. Cecil Lammey is tweeting thatsomething HUGE is brewing in Denver. This is pure speculation on my part, but would/could the Broncos work a trade tobring Stewart to Denver?

That's been what I'm beating around the bush about. I really don't see how they can function and produce similar numbers when DWill is getting paid $8m and Stewart is going to be wanting a new contract very soon. I will not be surprised a bit if JStew is moved and this would be fantastic for the Goodson owners who hav ebeen walking the ledge the past few days.

 

[BassNBrew]

Bradshaw 4 years 18 million with 9 million guaranteed. DeAngelo 5 years 43 million with 21 million guaranteed. How much did Carolina overpay here?

DeAngelo is an elite back. Dude is averaging over 5 ypc on a below average team. We're talking Brown and Sanders type of talent. That's why he got paid like he did.