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Pitt's McCoy to return for junior season

Pitt sophomore tailback LeSean McCoy made it clear today that he will be a Pitt Panther next season. Speculation has been rampant that McCoy would declare himself eligible for the NFL draft after this season and people around the program and the coaching staff were bracing for his departure.

But McCoy said he wanted to set the record straight and end all of the speculation. In a media interview, he left very little room for interpretation.

McCoy said he doesn't think he's ready for the NFL life -- meaning the business aspect of football -- and he enjoys being a college student. He knows the Panthers will likely be a highly ranked team next year and would love to take a run at a Big East championship.
Source: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08330/930629-100.stm
 
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Pitt's McCoy to return for junior season

Pitt sophomore tailback LeSean McCoy made it clear today that he will be a Pitt Panther next season. Speculation has been rampant that McCoy would declare himself eligible for the NFL draft after this season and people around the program and the coaching staff were bracing for his departure.

But McCoy said he wanted to set the record straight and end all of the speculation. In a media interview, he left very little room for interpretation.

McCoy said he doesn't think he's ready for the NFL life -- meaning the business aspect of football -- and he enjoys being a college student. He knows the Panthers will likely be a highly ranked team next year and would love to take a run at a Big East championship.
Source: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08330/930629-100.stm
as a team with the 1.05 next year, :lmao: as a guy who likes to see good decisions made for the right reasons, I commend him.

 
Pitt's McCoy to return for junior season

Pitt sophomore tailback LeSean McCoy made it clear today that he will be a Pitt Panther next season. Speculation has been rampant that McCoy would declare himself eligible for the NFL draft after this season and people around the program and the coaching staff were bracing for his departure.

But McCoy said he wanted to set the record straight and end all of the speculation. In a media interview, he left very little room for interpretation.

McCoy said he doesn't think he's ready for the NFL life -- meaning the business aspect of football -- and he enjoys being a college student. He knows the Panthers will likely be a highly ranked team next year and would love to take a run at a Big East championship.
Source: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08330/930629-100.stm
as a team with the 1.05 next year, :rolleyes: as a guy who likes to see good decisions made for the right reasons, I commend him.
Agent to LeSean:Dear LeSean,

I commend your decision on staying in school. However I would like to present a scenario for you, you could leave this year and be guarenteed 10-15 million dollars and be set for life and your great grandchildren will be set for life. It's your choice you can stay, just be aware if you could have a career threatening injury and be left with squat, I guess that's not so bad you would be like any other guy who goes to college and then you can go hit the pavement and look for a job in this horrible economy. I am sure you will be ok, you might have to live week to week and live in an apartment since you won't have money for a down payment for a house, it's ok, you can work a few years for that down payment and then start making payments for the next 30 years. It's your choice. Have a nice day LeSean.

 
Nice video. You can see that he doesn't make a lot of jaw-dropping plays, but he's got a compact frame, he runs hard, he falls forward, and he has good feet for a power back.
I have two concerns about Greene: 1. He came out of nowhere, is he a one year wonder? 2. He doesn't avoid contact.twocents
 
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Great Post/Thread.

What about the Tight Ends? I like Gresham a lot, but don't see him getting much attention until the latter part of the first round. It looks like this will be a yawner of a year for TEs without a Shockey/Winslow type coming out.

 
Great Post/Thread.

What about the Tight Ends? I like Gresham a lot, but don't see him getting much attention until the latter part of the first round. It looks like this will be a yawner of a year for TEs without a Shockey/Winslow type coming out.
Jermaine Gresham and Brandon Pettigrew are probably the top two names to remember.Gresham will probably be an early pick in the draft, but I sort of get the feeling that he's a college bully whose game won't translate to the NFL where his speed advantage will be negated. If you look at the TEs who are successful in the NFL, most of them are basically oversized WRs who run really well (Cooley, Keller, Winslow, Gonzo, Shockey). The big tall guys like Gresham haven't fared as well (M. Lewis, J. Stevens, Pope). I see some of that risk here.

I'm more intrigued by Pettigrew at this point. He looks quicker and more explosive. He reminds me more of the elite NFL TEs than Gresham does. That said, he's probably not worth investing a first round rookie pick in. Tight ends don't carry much trade value and he's not a super elite prospect like Kellen Winslow.

Pettigrew highlights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSJG1dNDoYU

 
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Pitt's McCoy to return for junior season

Pitt sophomore tailback LeSean McCoy made it clear today that he will be a Pitt Panther next season. Speculation has been rampant that McCoy would declare himself eligible for the NFL draft after this season and people around the program and the coaching staff were bracing for his departure.

But McCoy said he wanted to set the record straight and end all of the speculation. In a media interview, he left very little room for interpretation.

McCoy said he doesn't think he's ready for the NFL life -- meaning the business aspect of football -- and he enjoys being a college student. He knows the Panthers will likely be a highly ranked team next year and would love to take a run at a Big East championship.
Source: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08330/930629-100.stm
As I've said before, I'll believe it when it's official. Until then this sort of news doesn't carry much weight with me.
 
Great Post/Thread.

What about the Tight Ends? I like Gresham a lot, but don't see him getting much attention until the latter part of the first round. It looks like this will be a yawner of a year for TEs without a Shockey/Winslow type coming out.
Jermaine Gresham and Brandon Pettigrew are probably the top two names to remember.Gresham will probably be an early pick in the draft, but I sort of get the feeling that he's a college bully whose game won't translate to the NFL where his speed advantage will be negated. If you look at the TEs who are successful in the NFL, most of them are basically oversized WRs who run really well (Cooley, Keller, Winslow, Gonzo, Shockey). The big tall guys like Gresham haven't fared as well (M. Lewis, J. Stevens, Pope). I see some of that risk here.

I'm more intrigued by Pettigrew at this point. He looks quicker and more explosive. He reminds me more of the elite NFL TEs than Gresham does. That said, he's probably not worth investing a first round rookie pick in. Tight ends don't carry much trade value and he's not a super elite prospect like Kellen Winslow.

Pettigrew highlights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSJG1dNDoYU
My TE radar includes Chase Coffman from Missouri and Travis Beckham from Wisconsin.Gresham is listed at 6'5". That's not nearly as goonish as Pope.

 
beto said:
EBF said:
guderian said:
Great Post/Thread.

What about the Tight Ends? I like Gresham a lot, but don't see him getting much attention until the latter part of the first round. It looks like this will be a yawner of a year for TEs without a Shockey/Winslow type coming out.
Jermaine Gresham and Brandon Pettigrew are probably the top two names to remember.Gresham will probably be an early pick in the draft, but I sort of get the feeling that he's a college bully whose game won't translate to the NFL where his speed advantage will be negated. If you look at the TEs who are successful in the NFL, most of them are basically oversized WRs who run really well (Cooley, Keller, Winslow, Gonzo, Shockey). The big tall guys like Gresham haven't fared as well (M. Lewis, J. Stevens, Pope). I see some of that risk here.

I'm more intrigued by Pettigrew at this point. He looks quicker and more explosive. He reminds me more of the elite NFL TEs than Gresham does. That said, he's probably not worth investing a first round rookie pick in. Tight ends don't carry much trade value and he's not a super elite prospect like Kellen Winslow.

Pettigrew highlights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSJG1dNDoYU
My TE radar includes Chase Coffman from Missouri and Travis Beckham from Wisconsin.Gresham is listed at 6'5". That's not nearly as goonish as Pope.
Yea, he's not as big as Pope. He's more like Lewis and Stevens. A big dude who has good athleticism, but really isn't very quick or explosive. This type of TE hasn't had much success in the NFL lately.
 
I'd wager Micheal Crabtree will get insane hype. Calvin was taken 1.01 in a lot of leagues, 1.02 in a bunch more and at worst 1.03 (ppr, which is all I play). I don't think there is anyway he falls to 1.05 or 1.06. 1.03-1.04 seems like a good bet. The combine will tell most of the story on that end. Calvin went to the Lions and that didn't hurt his stock, so I'm not sure Crabtree could land in a spot that actually knocks him out of the top 5. Beyond that, some good lists.
I've seen Crabtree projected to the Raiders in some very early mock drafts. Every year I try to remind myself not to take current situation too much into account, but that's about the only thing that would drop him relative to the other top WR's in my mind.
From three posts above-If he slips out of the top 5 in the NFL draft and Macklin goes 3 spots later, with Harvin & DHB in the following 5 picks... there is certainly a chance that a fantasy draft could see Crabtree go after a homer pick to 1.04 or 1.05. Especially if he lands in say - Oakland.
You must remember that Detroit most likely will have the #1 pick. Will they continue their WR follies and select Crabtree. Was Millen really the reason for their past blunders, or does it go higher.Since they traded Roy away they may determine they need to replace him.What are the current Vegas odds they "do it again" - LOL
 
I'd wager Micheal Crabtree will get insane hype. Calvin was taken 1.01 in a lot of leagues, 1.02 in a bunch more and at worst 1.03 (ppr, which is all I play). I don't think there is anyway he falls to 1.05 or 1.06. 1.03-1.04 seems like a good bet. The combine will tell most of the story on that end. Calvin went to the Lions and that didn't hurt his stock, so I'm not sure Crabtree could land in a spot that actually knocks him out of the top 5. Beyond that, some good lists.
I've seen Crabtree projected to the Raiders in some very early mock drafts. Every year I try to remind myself not to take current situation too much into account, but that's about the only thing that would drop him relative to the other top WR's in my mind.
From three posts above-If he slips out of the top 5 in the NFL draft and Macklin goes 3 spots later, with Harvin & DHB in the following 5 picks... there is certainly a chance that a fantasy draft could see Crabtree go after a homer pick to 1.04 or 1.05. Especially if he lands in say - Oakland.
You must remember that Detroit most likely will have the #1 pick. Will they continue their WR follies and select Crabtree. Was Millen really the reason for their past blunders, or does it go higher.Since they traded Roy away they may determine they need to replace him.What are the current Vegas odds they "do it again" - LOL
With Millen gone, the Lions should make better moves.The Lions currently have two players to build around, who would start for other teams - Sims and Calvin. Ergo, they will not draft a WR or WLB.
 
beto said:
EBF said:
guderian said:
Great Post/Thread.

What about the Tight Ends? I like Gresham a lot, but don't see him getting much attention until the latter part of the first round. It looks like this will be a yawner of a year for TEs without a Shockey/Winslow type coming out.
Jermaine Gresham and Brandon Pettigrew are probably the top two names to remember.Gresham will probably be an early pick in the draft, but I sort of get the feeling that he's a college bully whose game won't translate to the NFL where his speed advantage will be negated. If you look at the TEs who are successful in the NFL, most of them are basically oversized WRs who run really well (Cooley, Keller, Winslow, Gonzo, Shockey). The big tall guys like Gresham haven't fared as well (M. Lewis, J. Stevens, Pope). I see some of that risk here.

I'm more intrigued by Pettigrew at this point. He looks quicker and more explosive. He reminds me more of the elite NFL TEs than Gresham does. That said, he's probably not worth investing a first round rookie pick in. Tight ends don't carry much trade value and he's not a super elite prospect like Kellen Winslow.

Pettigrew highlights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSJG1dNDoYU
My TE radar includes Chase Coffman from Missouri and Travis Beckham from Wisconsin.Gresham is listed at 6'5". That's not nearly as goonish as Pope.
Pettigrew is more hype and not much else to me, I have at least four TE ahead of him right now.1. Gresham

2. Coffman

3. Pitta

4. Casey

 
Pitt's McCoy to return for junior season

Pitt sophomore tailback LeSean McCoy made it clear today that he will be a Pitt Panther next season. Speculation has been rampant that McCoy would declare himself eligible for the NFL draft after this season and people around the program and the coaching staff were bracing for his departure.

But McCoy said he wanted to set the record straight and end all of the speculation. In a media interview, he left very little room for interpretation.

McCoy said he doesn't think he's ready for the NFL life -- meaning the business aspect of football -- and he enjoys being a college student. He knows the Panthers will likely be a highly ranked team next year and would love to take a run at a Big East championship.
Source: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08330/930629-100.stm
as a team with the 1.05 next year, :goodposting: as a guy who likes to see good decisions made for the right reasons, I commend him.
Agent to LeSean:Dear LeSean,

It's your choice you can stay, just be aware if you could have a career threatening injury and be left with squat,
I'm sure he will be fully insured against this scenario.
 
If Spiller can put on 10 pounds, I think he has the potential to be a big time player. Especially after seeing Chris Johnson and Steve Slaton have success this year. I question whether or not a team will give him 15 carries a game in the NFL, but Johnson and Slaton have been so that should help his case.
Totally concur.I like CJS, and I think his speed is sick,I would like to see him maintain the white hot speedwith 10-15 more pounds on his frame.I agree that the success of CJ3 and Slaton bodes well for Spiller.I don't think he will be a "carry the load" type of back, but could still be a very nice fantasy producer if in the right system.
 
Pitt's McCoy to return for junior season

Pitt sophomore tailback LeSean McCoy made it clear today that he will be a Pitt Panther next season. Speculation has been rampant that McCoy would declare himself eligible for the NFL draft after this season and people around the program and the coaching staff were bracing for his departure.

But McCoy said he wanted to set the record straight and end all of the speculation. In a media interview, he left very little room for interpretation.

McCoy said he doesn't think he's ready for the NFL life -- meaning the business aspect of football -- and he enjoys being a college student. He knows the Panthers will likely be a highly ranked team next year and would love to take a run at a Big East championship.
Source: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08330/930629-100.stm
as a team with the 1.05 next year, :rant: as a guy who likes to see good decisions made for the right reasons, I commend him.
Agent to LeSean:Dear LeSean,

It's your choice you can stay, just be aware if you could have a career threatening injury and be left with squat,
I'm sure he will be fully insured against this scenario.
No way, perhaps 1-2 million, not a full guarentee.
 
As far as the "negatives" about crabtree goes the same thing was said about fitz when he came out.

Also I'm very happy to see that ppl aren't anywhere as high on juaquin Iglesais as I am.

 
As far as the "negatives" about crabtree goes the same thing was said about fitz when he came out.

Also I'm very happy to see that ppl aren't anywhere as high on juaquin Iglesais as I am.
I'm right there with you, good thing were not in the same league.
 
FTRWRTR said:
As far as the "negatives" about crabtree goes the same thing was said about fitz when he came out.Also I'm very happy to see that ppl aren't anywhere as high on juaquin Iglesais as I am.
although the girls seem to like his brother Enrique and father, Julio.
 
Iglesias has never been my focus when I've watched Oklahoma (I've mostly paid attention to Bradford and Murray), but I haven't see anything special in his game yet. My current opinion is that he's cut from the Reche Caldwell/Jabar Gaffney cloth. Decent prospect, but doesn't have the "wow" qualities needed to elevate him above the level of NFL mediocrity.

 
Pitt's McCoy to return for junior season

Pitt sophomore tailback LeSean McCoy made it clear today that he will be a Pitt Panther next season. Speculation has been rampant that McCoy would declare himself eligible for the NFL draft after this season and people around the program and the coaching staff were bracing for his departure.

But McCoy said he wanted to set the record straight and end all of the speculation. In a media interview, he left very little room for interpretation.

McCoy said he doesn't think he's ready for the NFL life -- meaning the business aspect of football -- and he enjoys being a college student. He knows the Panthers will likely be a highly ranked team next year and would love to take a run at a Big East championship.
Source: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08330/930629-100.stm
as a team with the 1.05 next year, :rant: as a guy who likes to see good decisions made for the right reasons, I commend him.
Agent to LeSean:Dear LeSean,

It's your choice you can stay, just be aware if you could have a career threatening injury and be left with squat,
I'm sure he will be fully insured against this scenario.
I doubt a million (probably the most he's insured for) would qualify as "fully insured" compared to what he will make in the NFL.
 
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Michael Crabtree staying in school

To me all this does is tell everyone not to listen to these kids at this time of year, I'd die of shock if Crabtree stayed in school next year.
Same as LeSean McCoy...I'll believe it when it's official. AD said the same thing around this time of year the year he came out early...I really believe these guys are saying this for the fans and bowl games to keep momentum and excitement to finish out the year.They get asked if leaving school early at this time of the year and if they respond "yes" it becomes a circus about them, focus goes away from his team and the rest of the season, teammates probably feel like he's bailed on the team in his mind, etc. It would just be completely dumb of him to say anything other than the easy "yes I'm returning".

As soon as they see the possible dollar signs flash before them it becomes a whole new story. Especially Crabtree who could be a top 5 pick. He'd be absolutely foolish not to capitalize on that.

 
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With respect to EBF (who REALLY knows his stuff), I'm a HUGE Percy Harvin fan and I wholeheartedly agree with you on his ranking, HOWEVER, Santana Moss is a poor comparison IMO. Granted the speed yes, but this kid has the bulk to go along with the speed. He's going to be a force.

http://gatorcountry.smugmug.com/photos/339530221_awj2M-M.jpg
I dont think there is any questions Harvin is a playmaker , the thing that hurts him now is what role does he project to fill in the NFL.... I think it depends on the team he goes too. He could be anything from Reggie Bush to DeShaun Jackson depending on the situation.

 
Iglesias has never been my focus when I've watched Oklahoma (I've mostly paid attention to Bradford and Murray), but I haven't see anything special in his game yet. My current opinion is that he's cut from the Reche Caldwell/Jabar Gaffney cloth. Decent prospect, but doesn't have the "wow" qualities needed to elevate him above the level of NFL mediocrity.
At 205lbs and only 6' I expect him to wow alot of cbs trying to cover him
offdee said:
Keith Lewis said:
Michael Crabtree staying in school

To me all this does is tell everyone not to listen to these kids at this time of year, I'd die of shock if Crabtree stayed in school next year.
Same as LeSean McCoy...I'll believe it when it's official. AD said the same thing around this time of year the year he came out early...I really believe these guys are saying this for the fans and bowl games to keep momentum and excitement to finish out the year.They get asked if leaving school early at this time of the year and if they respond "yes" it becomes a circus about them, focus goes away from his team and the rest of the season, teammates probably feel like he's bailed on the team in his mind, etc. It would just be completely dumb of him to say anything other than the easy "yes I'm returning".

As soon as they see the possible dollar signs flash before them it becomes a whole new story. Especially Crabtree who could be a top 5 pick. He'd be absolutely foolish not to capitalize on that.
Exactly. As far as I can remember there's never been a player actually admit to leaving early before the bowl games. And in crabtree's case his stock won't get any higher with a brand new qb throwing to him next year
 
Iglesias has never been my focus when I've watched Oklahoma (I've mostly paid attention to Bradford and Murray), but I haven't see anything special in his game yet. My current opinion is that he's cut from the Reche Caldwell/Jabar Gaffney cloth. Decent prospect, but doesn't have the "wow" qualities needed to elevate him above the level of NFL mediocrity.
At 205lbs and only 6' I expect him to wow alot of cbs trying to cover him
offdee said:
Keith Lewis said:
Michael Crabtree staying in school

To me all this does is tell everyone not to listen to these kids at this time of year, I'd die of shock if Crabtree stayed in school next year.
Same as LeSean McCoy...I'll believe it when it's official. AD said the same thing around this time of year the year he came out early...I really believe these guys are saying this for the fans and bowl games to keep momentum and excitement to finish out the year.They get asked if leaving school early at this time of the year and if they respond "yes" it becomes a circus about them, focus goes away from his team and the rest of the season, teammates probably feel like he's bailed on the team in his mind, etc. It would just be completely dumb of him to say anything other than the easy "yes I'm returning".

As soon as they see the possible dollar signs flash before them it becomes a whole new story. Especially Crabtree who could be a top 5 pick. He'd be absolutely foolish not to capitalize on that.
Exactly. As far as I can remember there's never been a player actually admit to leaving early before the bowl games. And in crabtree's case his stock won't get any higher with a brand new qb throwing to him next year
Exactly. Crabtree's stock would go nowhere put down if he stayed another year. Why would he want to stay another year while Tech is grooming in a new QB? Tech is gonna get steam rolled next year, Crabtree would be foolish to be invovled with it.I say this drops the chance of Crabtree coming out to 95%.

 
Nice video. You can see that he doesn't make a lot of jaw-dropping plays, but he's got a compact frame, he runs hard, he falls forward, and he has good feet for a power back.
I have two concerns about Greene: 1. He came out of nowhere, is he a one year wonder? 2. He doesn't avoid contact.twocents
I watch a few Iowa games a year, and I liked what I saw of him in '05 and '06 in a limited role. Albert Young was the Primary RB, but you could tell Greene had the potential to be a solid workhorse.My main concern might be his character. Greene was removed from the team and the University in 2007 after violating team rules and failing academically. He lost his scholarship and had to haul furniture around to stay afloat until he could get back in at Iowa. He did work his way back which is commendable, and hopefully it was just a young man being immature and needing a wake-up call, but it's still something that could affect his draft stock.
 
Pitt's McCoy to return for junior season

Pitt sophomore tailback LeSean McCoy made it clear today that he will be a Pitt Panther next season. Speculation has been rampant that McCoy would declare himself eligible for the NFL draft after this season and people around the program and the coaching staff were bracing for his departure.

But McCoy said he wanted to set the record straight and end all of the speculation. In a media interview, he left very little room for interpretation.

McCoy said he doesn't think he's ready for the NFL life -- meaning the business aspect of football -- and he enjoys being a college student. He knows the Panthers will likely be a highly ranked team next year and would love to take a run at a Big East championship.
Source: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/08330/930629-100.stm
as a team with the 1.05 next year, :angry: as a guy who likes to see good decisions made for the right reasons, I commend him.
Agent to LeSean:Dear LeSean,

It's your choice you can stay, just be aware if you could have a career threatening injury and be left with squat,
I'm sure he will be fully insured against this scenario.
No way, perhaps 1-2 million, not a full guarantee.
My mistake."fully" insured is incorrect.

I'm sure he does have insurance against injury,

but it probably is a fraction of his potential NFL rake.

 
Nice video. You can see that he doesn't make a lot of jaw-dropping plays, but he's got a compact frame, he runs hard, he falls forward, and he has good feet for a power back.
I have two concerns about Greene: 1. He came out of nowhere, is he a one year wonder? 2. He doesn't avoid contact.twocents
I watch a few Iowa games a year, and I liked what I saw of him in '05 and '06 in a limited role. Albert Young was the Primary RB, but you could tell Greene had the potential to be a solid workhorse.My main concern might be his character. Greene was removed from the team and the University in 2007 after violating team rules and failing academically. He lost his scholarship and had to haul furniture around to stay afloat until he could get back in at Iowa. He did work his way back which is commendable, and hopefully it was just a young man being immature and needing a wake-up call, but it's still something that could affect his draft stock.
:whoosh: Thanks for posting
 
Iglesias has never been my focus when I've watched Oklahoma (I've mostly paid attention to Bradford and Murray), but I haven't see anything special in his game yet. My current opinion is that he's cut from the Reche Caldwell/Jabar Gaffney cloth. Decent prospect, but doesn't have the "wow" qualities needed to elevate him above the level of NFL mediocrity.
At 205lbs and only 6' I expect him to wow alot of cbs trying to cover him
offdee said:
Keith Lewis said:
Michael Crabtree staying in school

To me all this does is tell everyone not to listen to these kids at this time of year, I'd die of shock if Crabtree stayed in school next year.
Same as LeSean McCoy...I'll believe it when it's official. AD said the same thing around this time of year the year he came out early...I really believe these guys are saying this for the fans and bowl games to keep momentum and excitement to finish out the year.They get asked if leaving school early at this time of the year and if they respond "yes" it becomes a circus about them, focus goes away from his team and the rest of the season, teammates probably feel like he's bailed on the team in his mind, etc. It would just be completely dumb of him to say anything other than the easy "yes I'm returning".

As soon as they see the possible dollar signs flash before them it becomes a whole new story. Especially Crabtree who could be a top 5 pick. He'd be absolutely foolish not to capitalize on that.
Exactly. As far as I can remember there's never been a player actually admit to leaving early before the bowl games. And in crabtree's case his stock won't get any higher with a brand new qb throwing to him next year
Exactly. Crabtree's stock would go nowhere put down if he stayed another year. Why would he want to stay another year while Tech is grooming in a new QB? Tech is gonna get steam rolled next year, Crabtree would be foolish to be invovled with it.I say this drops the chance of Crabtree coming out to 95%.
By BRANDON GEORGE / The Dallas Morning News

bgeorge@dallasnews.com

Michael Crabtree's father said Thursday he was surprised the Texas Tech All-America receiver told a Web site he planned to return to Tech next season.

Crabtree's father, also named Michael, said his son has not yet made a final decision on whether he'll enter the NFL draft or return for his junior season.

"He hasn't told me that," the elder Crabtree said. "We're pretty much leaning toward coming out. But it's up to him. If he wants to come back and win championships, I won't be mad at him."

The receiver's father said the family plans to be with him next Thursday in Orlando, Fla., at the Home Depot ESPNU College Football Awards show. Crabtree's father said he plans to sit down with his son after the show to make a decision.

"It's still up in the air right now," Crabtree's father said.

RedRaiderSports.com quoted the former Carter star as saying Thursday he planned to play another season at Tech. The Web site reported Crabtree, who has 227 catches for 3,097 yards and 40 touchdowns in two collegiate seasons, said he was "not at all" considering entering the NFL draft.

Underclassmen have until January 15th to submit their names for the draft.
hmmm
 
Iglesias has never been my focus when I've watched Oklahoma (I've mostly paid attention to Bradford and Murray), but I haven't see anything special in his game yet. My current opinion is that he's cut from the Reche Caldwell/Jabar Gaffney cloth. Decent prospect, but doesn't have the "wow" qualities needed to elevate him above the level of NFL mediocrity.
At 205lbs and only 6' I expect him to wow alot of cbs trying to cover him
offdee said:
Keith Lewis said:
Michael Crabtree staying in school

To me all this does is tell everyone not to listen to these kids at this time of year, I'd die of shock if Crabtree stayed in school next year.
Same as LeSean McCoy...I'll believe it when it's official. AD said the same thing around this time of year the year he came out early...I really believe these guys are saying this for the fans and bowl games to keep momentum and excitement to finish out the year.They get asked if leaving school early at this time of the year and if they respond "yes" it becomes a circus about them, focus goes away from his team and the rest of the season, teammates probably feel like he's bailed on the team in his mind, etc. It would just be completely dumb of him to say anything other than the easy "yes I'm returning".

As soon as they see the possible dollar signs flash before them it becomes a whole new story. Especially Crabtree who could be a top 5 pick. He'd be absolutely foolish not to capitalize on that.
Exactly. As far as I can remember there's never been a player actually admit to leaving early before the bowl games. And in crabtree's case his stock won't get any higher with a brand new qb throwing to him next year
Exactly. Crabtree's stock would go nowhere put down if he stayed another year. Why would he want to stay another year while Tech is grooming in a new QB? Tech is gonna get steam rolled next year, Crabtree would be foolish to be invovled with it.I say this drops the chance of Crabtree coming out to 95%.
By BRANDON GEORGE / The Dallas Morning News

bgeorge@dallasnews.com

Michael Crabtree's father said Thursday he was surprised the Texas Tech All-America receiver told a Web site he planned to return to Tech next season.

Crabtree's father, also named Michael, said his son has not yet made a final decision on whether he'll enter the NFL draft or return for his junior season.

"He hasn't told me that," the elder Crabtree said. "We're pretty much leaning toward coming out. But it's up to him. If he wants to come back and win championships, I won't be mad at him."

The receiver's father said the family plans to be with him next Thursday in Orlando, Fla., at the Home Depot ESPNU College Football Awards show. Crabtree's father said he plans to sit down with his son after the show to make a decision.

"It's still up in the air right now," Crabtree's father said.

RedRaiderSports.com quoted the former Carter star as saying Thursday he planned to play another season at Tech. The Web site reported Crabtree, who has 227 catches for 3,097 yards and 40 touchdowns in two collegiate seasons, said he was "not at all" considering entering the NFL draft.

Underclassmen have until January 15th to submit their names for the draft.
hmmm
Gone gone gone gone.
 
As previously stated, Crabtree and McCoy are more than likely coming out. Most players say they're gonna stay before bowl games etc. Why distract there team by stating they're gonna leave? ... lets see what they say after January...

 
Any thoughts on Evan Royster? He's draft eligible, and should be a good one in the pros...i haven't really heard much if he will come out or not...maybe a better 2010 prospect.

 
broncofan13000 said:
Any thoughts on Evan Royster? He's draft eligible, and should be a good one in the pros...i haven't really heard much if he will come out or not...maybe a better 2010 prospect.
I don't think he's declared yet, I like what little I've seen and think is underrated.....hoping he fly under the shark radar.
 
11. WR Jarett Dillard, Rice

Positives: Prolific WR who holds a host of NCAA receiving records. Has 54 TD catches over the past three seasons, which is just sick production. Great leaper who effortlessly makes the circus catch in a crowd. Hands, hands, hands. Reportedly has a 45" vertical leap. High character prospect.

Negatives: A little undersized with a thin frame. Speed is a question mark. Some people think he runs a low 4.4 while others think he's more of a high 4.5 guy.

Overall: Dillard is probably the most underrated skill position player in the nation. Most internet pundits have him way down on their boards, but don't sleep on his skills. No one catches 60 TDs by accident. Dillard is a natural WR with underrated athleticism. Look for some smart NFL team to scoop him in the rounds 2-3 range to little fanfare, only to watch him become a very solid pro player.

NFL Comparison: slower, smaller Randy Moss

Highlights: http://www.ricefootball.net/08usmvideos0750.htm

12. WR Kenny Britt *, Rutgers

Positives: Powerful WR with good production and good run-after-the-catch skills. Athletic.

Negatives: Neither fast nor explosive. Really just a possession WR.

Overall: Nice possession WR who should develop into a starter at the NFL level. Flying under the radar, but has the potential to slip into the late first round of the NFL draft if he runs well in workouts.

NFL Comparison: Brandon Marshall, Vincent Jackson

Highlights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTgq5_q_MBE
I'd like to know more about these WRS and the next tier below. With the big 4 WRS in this class are the other WRs going to be undervalued? Where would Britt/Dilliard and the next tier stack up to other drafts? Would either of these guys have been the #1 WR in last years class?
 
11. WR Jarett Dillard, Rice

Positives: Prolific WR who holds a host of NCAA receiving records. Has 54 TD catches over the past three seasons, which is just sick production. Great leaper who effortlessly makes the circus catch in a crowd. Hands, hands, hands. Reportedly has a 45" vertical leap. High character prospect.

Negatives: A little undersized with a thin frame. Speed is a question mark. Some people think he runs a low 4.4 while others think he's more of a high 4.5 guy.

Overall: Dillard is probably the most underrated skill position player in the nation. Most internet pundits have him way down on their boards, but don't sleep on his skills. No one catches 60 TDs by accident. Dillard is a natural WR with underrated athleticism. Look for some smart NFL team to scoop him in the rounds 2-3 range to little fanfare, only to watch him become a very solid pro player.

NFL Comparison: slower, smaller Randy Moss

Highlights: http://www.ricefootball.net/08usmvideos0750.htm

12. WR Kenny Britt *, Rutgers

Positives: Powerful WR with good production and good run-after-the-catch skills. Athletic.

Negatives: Neither fast nor explosive. Really just a possession WR.

Overall: Nice possession WR who should develop into a starter at the NFL level. Flying under the radar, but has the potential to slip into the late first round of the NFL draft if he runs well in workouts.

NFL Comparison: Brandon Marshall, Vincent Jackson

Highlights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTgq5_q_MBE
I'd like to know more about these WRS and the next tier below. With the big 4 WRS in this class are the other WRs going to be undervalued? Where would Britt/Dilliard and the next tier stack up to other drafts? Would either of these guys have been the #1 WR in last years class?
Derrick Williams.
 
broncofan13000 said:
Any thoughts on Evan Royster? He's draft eligible, and should be a good one in the pros...i haven't really heard much if he will come out or not...maybe a better 2010 prospect.
Based on what I've heard from some reliable Penn St homers he's probably coming back unless the NFL tells him he should expect to go in the first two rounds, which is highly doubtful.
 
12. WR Kenny Britt *, Rutgers

Positives: Powerful WR with good production and good run-after-the-catch skills. Athletic.

Negatives: Neither fast nor explosive. Really just a possession WR.

Overall: Nice possession WR who should develop into a starter at the NFL level. Flying under the radar, but has the potential to slip into the late first round of the NFL draft if he runs well in workouts.

NFL Comparison: Brandon Marshall, Vincent Jackson

Highlights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTgq5_q_MBE
I like this kid, but "just a possession WR" and "Brandon Marshall" don't see to jive. This class reminds me of 2004, where we had Fitz, Roy Williams and a few others take the spotlight, while some quality WRs like Cotchery and Berrien were overlooked. Not to say we'll see 7 WRs in the first round, but similarities abound.

 
I'd like to see your list of top 12 in non-ppr, just a list, no explanations needed.
It would be the same order, but the RBs would be listed ahead of the WRs. Something like:1. Moreno

2. Greene

3. Wells

4. McCoy

5. Spiller

6. Crabtree

7. Maclin

8. Harvin

9. DHB

10. Bradford

11. Dillard

12. Britt

WRs are severely de-valued in most non-PPR leagues. I tend not to like those formats since I think they basically force you to make bad picks (by forcing you to reach for mediocre RBs).
Don't be surprised if Davis is top 12 in the end. But for now, this list is fine - I disagree with Wells at 3 (he's probably my #1) and Crabtree, even in PPR should be higher, but solid list overall for now. I'd love to see a top 20 including IDPs, but I can't make a good list that deep myself and aside from the hyped USC/OSU LBs, I'm not sure where the IDPs rank right now.
If that is James Davis, I would be surprised if he is drafted before round 4. If a remember he was givin like 3rd round grade last year, and did perform well at all in 2008. A guy to look for who is not being discussed much now in Doanld Brown of UConn.
.Flip a coin if he meant James Davis or Nate Davis, odds are 50-50.
Nate, whom I happen to like better than the other QBs.
UPDATED BREAKING NEWS: QB Nate Davis says he's returning

DETROIT — Ball State quarterback Nate Davis is passing on the NFL for now, he says. The junior quarterback announced after Friday' s Mid-American Conference championship 42-24 loss to Buffalo that we would return for his senior season.

His announcement came sort of hastily and quite surprisingly, so he was three times asked to confirm that he would in fact return next year. He repeated that he would.

"I will come back," he said. "No doubt about it. ... That's been the plan all along. I've never thought about coming out (for the NFL draft)."

Head coach Brady Hoke was asked after the game if he was aware of the decision and he responded by saying, "We never really talk about it. That's good." Hoke then cracked a smile.

The announcement was the only bright spot for Davis Friday night. The quarterback lost three fumbles and threw one interception. There was another team fumble on a botched shotgun snap that he was involved with. For the game, Davis completed 31-of-48 passes for 351 yards and one touchdown. His longest pass of the night was a 28-yarder.
Scratch him off the list
 
I'd like to see your list of top 12 in non-ppr, just a list, no explanations needed.
It would be the same order, but the RBs would be listed ahead of the WRs. Something like:1. Moreno

2. Greene

3. Wells

4. McCoy

5. Spiller

6. Crabtree

7. Maclin

8. Harvin

9. DHB

10. Bradford

11. Dillard

12. Britt

WRs are severely de-valued in most non-PPR leagues. I tend not to like those formats since I think they basically force you to make bad picks (by forcing you to reach for mediocre RBs).
Don't be surprised if Davis is top 12 in the end. But for now, this list is fine - I disagree with Wells at 3 (he's probably my #1) and Crabtree, even in PPR should be higher, but solid list overall for now. I'd love to see a top 20 including IDPs, but I can't make a good list that deep myself and aside from the hyped USC/OSU LBs, I'm not sure where the IDPs rank right now.
If that is James Davis, I would be surprised if he is drafted before round 4. If a remember he was givin like 3rd round grade last year, and did perform well at all in 2008. A guy to look for who is not being discussed much now in Doanld Brown of UConn.
.Flip a coin if he meant James Davis or Nate Davis, odds are 50-50.
Nate, whom I happen to like better than the other QBs.
UPDATED BREAKING NEWS: QB Nate Davis says he's returning

DETROIT — Ball State quarterback Nate Davis is passing on the NFL for now, he says. The junior quarterback announced after Friday' s Mid-American Conference championship 42-24 loss to Buffalo that we would return for his senior season.

His announcement came sort of hastily and quite surprisingly, so he was three times asked to confirm that he would in fact return next year. He repeated that he would.

"I will come back," he said. "No doubt about it. ... That's been the plan all along. I've never thought about coming out (for the NFL draft)."

Head coach Brady Hoke was asked after the game if he was aware of the decision and he responded by saying, "We never really talk about it. That's good." Hoke then cracked a smile.

The announcement was the only bright spot for Davis Friday night. The quarterback lost three fumbles and threw one interception. There was another team fumble on a botched shotgun snap that he was involved with. For the game, Davis completed 31-of-48 passes for 351 yards and one touchdown. His longest pass of the night was a 28-yarder.
Scratch him off the list
Everyone need to stop this. Guys saying they are returning while still amidst the present season means nothing. When they start claiming this after the season is over is when I'll start listening.
 
I'd like to see your list of top 12 in non-ppr, just a list, no explanations needed.
It would be the same order, but the RBs would be listed ahead of the WRs. Something like:1. Moreno

2. Greene

3. Wells

4. McCoy

5. Spiller

6. Crabtree

7. Maclin

8. Harvin

9. DHB

10. Bradford

11. Dillard

12. Britt

WRs are severely de-valued in most non-PPR leagues. I tend not to like those formats since I think they basically force you to make bad picks (by forcing you to reach for mediocre RBs).
Don't be surprised if Davis is top 12 in the end. But for now, this list is fine - I disagree with Wells at 3 (he's probably my #1) and Crabtree, even in PPR should be higher, but solid list overall for now. I'd love to see a top 20 including IDPs, but I can't make a good list that deep myself and aside from the hyped USC/OSU LBs, I'm not sure where the IDPs rank right now.
If that is James Davis, I would be surprised if he is drafted before round 4. If a remember he was givin like 3rd round grade last year, and did perform well at all in 2008. A guy to look for who is not being discussed much now in Doanld Brown of UConn.
.Flip a coin if he meant James Davis or Nate Davis, odds are 50-50.
Nate, whom I happen to like better than the other QBs.
UPDATED BREAKING NEWS: QB Nate Davis says he's returning

DETROIT — Ball State quarterback Nate Davis is passing on the NFL for now, he says. The junior quarterback announced after Friday' s Mid-American Conference championship 42-24 loss to Buffalo that we would return for his senior season.

His announcement came sort of hastily and quite surprisingly, so he was three times asked to confirm that he would in fact return next year. He repeated that he would.

"I will come back," he said. "No doubt about it. ... That's been the plan all along. I've never thought about coming out (for the NFL draft)."

Head coach Brady Hoke was asked after the game if he was aware of the decision and he responded by saying, "We never really talk about it. That's good." Hoke then cracked a smile.

The announcement was the only bright spot for Davis Friday night. The quarterback lost three fumbles and threw one interception. There was another team fumble on a botched shotgun snap that he was involved with. For the game, Davis completed 31-of-48 passes for 351 yards and one touchdown. His longest pass of the night was a 28-yarder.
Scratch him off the list
Everyone need to stop this. Guys saying they are returning while still amidst the present season means nothing. When they start claiming this after the season is over is when I'll start listening.
This came out today. It's the lastest information to date, it's worth posting regardless if these players decide to change their minds later or not and if they do, I'll post that too.Did Matt Lienart change his mind?

Macho Harris?

Derrick Harvey?

Glenn Dorsey?

Brian Brohm?

Malcolm Jenkins?

James Davis? Well, I guess he did change his mind. He first said he would enter the draft only later to changed his mind to go back to college.

justsaying

 
Nice video. You can see that he doesn't make a lot of jaw-dropping plays, but he's got a compact frame, he runs hard, he falls forward, and he has good feet for a power back.
I have two concerns about Greene: 1. He came out of nowhere, is he a one year wonder? 2. He doesn't avoid contact.twocents
I watch a few Iowa games a year, and I liked what I saw of him in '05 and '06 in a limited role. Albert Young was the Primary RB, but you could tell Greene had the potential to be a solid workhorse.My main concern might be his character. Greene was removed from the team and the University in 2007 after violating team rules and failing academically. He lost his scholarship and had to haul furniture around to stay afloat until he could get back in at Iowa. He did work his way back which is commendable, and hopefully it was just a young man being immature and needing a wake-up call, but it's still something that could affect his draft stock.
I must correct you here...as a Hawkeye fan who has not missed a game for 15 years and am a Gold member of the IClub...he was removed from the team due to academics only!!! He did not violate rules of any sort...he worked hard through major adversity to pay his own way to go to a local community college and paid for own lodging. He did this because he has great work ethic and felt a strong loyalty to the Hawkeye coaching staff who believed in him. As for analysis on his game...He doesn't shy away from contact, but always stays behind the pads and gets lower than the defender 99% of the time. This makes injury less of a threat than if he ran more upright (ex. Brandon Jacobs). He has deceptive elusiveness as he has not needed to use it much at this level, being more physical than the defense. You can see this evidence in runs of 75 against Purdue and 60? against Wisconsin. As previously stated he has not been caught from behind and I estimate 4.5 speed. He has GREAT patience and vision waiting for the holes to develop and then good burst through the hole.As for his numbers this season...they could've been much better but he was not needed much in a number of blowouts. As a college back against ONLY 8 and 9 man fronts, with very little air support, he is the best I've seen. Will this transfer to the NFL well? I say yes, I have him as my third RB for pro potential behind Moreno and McCoy, and I believe he will be more consistant than those two. I'd sure hate to be between him and the endzone.
 
broncofan13000 said:
Any thoughts on Evan Royster? He's draft eligible, and should be a good one in the pros...i haven't really heard much if he will come out or not...maybe a better 2010 prospect.
Based on what I've heard from some reliable Penn St homers he's probably coming back unless the NFL tells him he should expect to go in the first two rounds, which is highly doubtful.
I doubt he's coming out. He might do alright in the NFL. He doesn't have great burst, but he has outstanding balance and vision from being an All-American lacrosse player through high school. If he can keep honing his RB instincts, work on pass catching and get a little stronger since he won't fake many defenders out, he's got a good chance in 2010 to be a first day pick.
 
12. WR Kenny Britt *, Rutgers

Positives: Powerful WR with good production and good run-after-the-catch skills. Athletic.

Negatives: Neither fast nor explosive. Really just a possession WR.

Overall: Nice possession WR who should develop into a starter at the NFL level. Flying under the radar, but has the potential to slip into the late first round of the NFL draft if he runs well in workouts.

NFL Comparison: Brandon Marshall, Vincent Jackson

Highlights: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTgq5_q_MBE
I like this kid, but "just a possession WR" and "Brandon Marshall" don't see to jive. This class reminds me of 2004, where we had Fitz, Roy Williams and a few others take the spotlight, while some quality WRs like Cotchery and Berrien were overlooked. Not to say we'll see 7 WRs in the first round, but similarities abound.
The comparisons are merely meant to provide a rough idea of the prospect's playing style and talent level. If I felt Britt was as good as Brandon Marshall then he'd be a lot higher than #12 on my list.
 
I'd like to know more about these WRS and the next tier below. With the big 4 WRS in this class are the other WRs going to be undervalued? Where would Britt/Dilliard and the next tier stack up to other drafts? Would either of these guys have been the #1 WR in last years class?
I think second tier rookie WRs are always undervalued. Just look at all the NFL stars who entered the league with minimal draft hype: Reggie Wayne, Chad Johnson, Greg Jennings, Anquan Boldin, Steve Smith, Roddy White, Laveranues Coles, Hines Ward, Muhsin Muhammad, Eddie Royal, Terrell Owens, Brandon Marshall, Derrick Mason, etc. None of these guys were early first round rookie picks in FF leagues. Many of them were complete afterthoughts. These guys are the exception and not the rule, but it seems like almost every draft class yields a couple wideouts who fly under the radar and eventually become solid pro players. Dillard and Britt could be the next players in that long tradition. Would they have been the first WRs picked last season? Hard to say without knowing their combine numbers. Dillard could go anywhere between the late 1st and early 4th. Britt could go anywhere from the late 1st to early 3rd. That said, their draft position isn't all-important. What's important is that these players offer legitimate starting potential at the next level. They're joined in this class by some other quality sleepers like Mardy Gilyard, Demetrius Byrd, and Brennan Marion. These aren't guys who will generate a ton of buzz on the draft message boards, but they'll make nice bargain gambles in rookie drafts.
 
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HawkeyeChief said:
Nice video. You can see that he doesn't make a lot of jaw-dropping plays, but he's got a compact frame, he runs hard, he falls forward, and he has good feet for a power back.
I have two concerns about Greene: 1. He came out of nowhere, is he a one year wonder? 2. He doesn't avoid contact.twocents
I watch a few Iowa games a year, and I liked what I saw of him in '05 and '06 in a limited role. Albert Young was the Primary RB, but you could tell Greene had the potential to be a solid workhorse.My main concern might be his character. Greene was removed from the team and the University in 2007 after violating team rules and failing academically. He lost his scholarship and had to haul furniture around to stay afloat until he could get back in at Iowa. He did work his way back which is commendable, and hopefully it was just a young man being immature and needing a wake-up call, but it's still something that could affect his draft stock.
I must correct you here...as a Hawkeye fan who has not missed a game for 15 years and am a Gold member of the IClub...he was removed from the team due to academics only!!! He did not violate rules of any sort...he worked hard through major adversity to pay his own way to go to a local community college and paid for own lodging. He did this because he has great work ethic and felt a strong loyalty to the Hawkeye coaching staff who believed in him. As for analysis on his game...He doesn't shy away from contact, but always stays behind the pads and gets lower than the defender 99% of the time. This makes injury less of a threat than if he ran more upright (ex. Brandon Jacobs). He has deceptive elusiveness as he has not needed to use it much at this level, being more physical than the defense. You can see this evidence in runs of 75 against Purdue and 60? against Wisconsin. As previously stated he has not been caught from behind and I estimate 4.5 speed. He has GREAT patience and vision waiting for the holes to develop and then good burst through the hole.

As for his numbers this season...they could've been much better but he was not needed much in a number of blowouts. As a college back against ONLY 8 and 9 man fronts, with very little air support, he is the best I've seen. Will this transfer to the NFL well? I say yes, I have him as my third RB for pro potential behind Moreno and McCoy, and I believe he will be more consistant than those two. I'd sure hate to be between him and the endzone.
Failing academically is also a violation of most team's rules. I do remember hearing/reading articles that stated it both ways, but like you said they were only for academic reasons and not any locker room or practice issues, or off-field issues with the law. Thanks for clarifying that so people don't think he's a William Green or Lawrence Phillips. :goodposting:
 
EBF said:
I'd like to know more about these WRS and the next tier below. With the big 4 WRS in this class are the other WRs going to be undervalued? Where would Britt/Dilliard and the next tier stack up to other drafts? Would either of these guys have been the #1 WR in last years class?
I think second tier rookie WRs are always undervalued. Just look at all the NFL stars who entered the league with minimal draft hype: Reggie Wayne, Chad Johnson, Greg Jennings, Anquan Boldin, Steve Smith, Roddy White, Laveranues Coles, Hines Ward, Muhsin Muhammad, Eddie Royal, Terrell Owens, Brandon Marshall, Derrick Mason, etc. None of these guys were early first round rookie picks in FF leagues. Many of them were complete afterthoughts. These guys are the exception and not the rule, but it seems like almost every draft class yields a couple wideouts who fly under the radar and eventually become solid pro players. Dillard and Britt could be the next players in that long tradition. Would they have been the first WRs picked last season? Hard to say without knowing their combine numbers. Dillard could go anywhere between the late 1st and early 4th. Britt could go anywhere from the late 1st to early 3rd. That said, their draft position isn't all-important. What's important is that these players offer legitimate starting potential at the next level. They're joined in this class by some other quality sleepers like Mardy Gilyard, Demetrius Byrd, and Brennan Marion. These aren't guys who will generate a ton of buzz on the draft message boards, but they'll make nice bargain gambles in rookie drafts.
I think roster management of young WRs is one of the more difficult things to consistently do well as a fantasy player. Some of the issues1) Who to draft. 2) How many spots to allocate to developmental WRs3) How long to keep to on your roster4) Who and when to pick up in either trade or off the WW5) Understanding whose flashes are real versus fraud.
 

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