DYNASTY: 2011 Top 15 Prospects (1 Viewer)

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[Football Jones]

The 2011 QB class is vastly overrated, IMO (as a group). On the other hand, I thought the 2010 class was vastly underrated coming out & that looks like it could very well be true (as of now), especially when Tebow gets going (who I'm very high on).

For instance, I like Bradford much more than I do Luck. Bradford is on another planet. I believe the difference in those two are clear & distinct. That will be shown in Luck's rookie season if he does, indeed, start. However, Luck is an certainly an interesting prospect & has the potential to be a good NFL QB. Just not as good as advertised.

That said, I'll be going over Luck with a fine-tooth comb in the offseason (if he comes out). I could possibly change my mind, but right now, I would temper expectations of greatness.

 

[Steed]

Both Ryan Williams and Darren Evans submitted their paperwork for their NFL Draft evaluations. Evans is a late rounder, any chance Williams gets a 2nd round grade or better?

 

[DansRams]

Both Ryan Williams and Darren Evans submitted their paperwork for their NFL Draft evaluations. Evans is a late rounder, any chance Williams gets a 2nd round grade or better?

I think he will get a 2nd round grade and could possibly slip into the late first with the type of combine results I expect him to have

 

[coolnerd]

where are some of the best websites to get scouting info and opinions on this draft class?

I am not going to say best but here are sites that I go to (not in order) thehuddlereport.comnfldraftcountdown.comdraftguys.comnationalfootballpost.comdraftnasty.comgbnreport.comRob RangMel KiperTodd McShayFBGs Shark pool discussions

 

[RustyFA2]

Thanks Cool Nerds

 

[J-Dawg]

Is it worth giving up a good amount to make a play to draft Mark Ingram 1st overall? Been reading some conflicting reports lately (mostly on Draftcountdown.com's forums) about him not being a special talent and possibly disappointing as a pro and others saying his vision and all-around game will make him a very good starting RB in the NFL. I don't watch enough college football to form an accurate opinion on him, so the lack of unanimous endorsements about his talent has me questioning whether he should be the guy to target with that pick.

 

[Redmen62]

The 2011 QB class is vastly overrated, IMO (as a group). On the other hand, I thought the 2010 class was vastly underrated coming out & that looks like it could very well be true (as of now), especially when Tebow gets going (who I'm very high on).

For instance, I like Bradford much more than I do Luck. Bradford is on another planet. I believe the difference in those two are clear & distinct. That will be shown in Luck's rookie season if he does, indeed, start. However, Luck is an certainly an interesting prospect & has the potential to be a good NFL QB. Just not as good as advertised.

That said, I'll be going over Luck with a fine-tooth comb in the offseason (if he comes out). I could possibly change my mind, but right now, I would temper expectations of greatness.

Can you expand on this? What specifically do you see in Bradford that you don't see in Luck?

 

[EBF]

For instance, I like Bradford much more than I do Luck. Bradford is on another planet. I believe the difference in those two are clear & distinct. That will be shown in Luck's rookie season if he does, indeed, start. However, Luck is an certainly an interesting prospect & has the potential to be a good NFL QB. Just not as good as advertised.That said, I'll be going over Luck with a fine-tooth comb in the offseason (if he comes out). I could possibly change my mind, but right now, I would temper expectations of greatness.

It's been my experience that most of the people who say this kind of thing about Luck have almost never watched him play. My guess is that you caught the Oregon game and maybe bits and pieces of a few other contests. I could be wrong, but I doubt you'd feel that way if you lived in Pac-10 country and watched him play regularly. I follow the Stanford program pretty closely. I have watched almost every snap of Luck's career. The guy is a prodigy. There's a reason why pretty much every coach in the conference says he's incredible and why the draft pundits are unanimous in lavishing him with praise. He has all of the requisite physical tools to be a top flight NFL QB. What sets him apart is his mind. He reads defenses extremely well and almost inevitably makes the correct decision under pressure. Watching teams try to blitz him has been comical because he just picks them apart. Absolutely surgical in the short and intermediate passing game. Go look at the stats. He has completed at least 70% of his passes for 7 straight games. And this isn't some cupcake gimmick college offense. Stanford runs a complex pro style offense. Luck is legit. Watching highlights isn't enough to get an understanding of what he brings to the table. You have to watch how he manages the game. I don't have the stats handy, but Stanford's offense has been lethal this season. They score on almost every possession and complete an obscene percentage of third downs. That's #12 at work.Is my enthusiasm partially the result of homerism? Perhaps, but go back and read the threads about Toby Gerhart last year. If anything, I was on the skeptical side of the spectrum. Luck is the best Stanford athlete that I have ever seen, including all of the basketball greats (Brevin Knight, Josh Childress, Brook Lopez, etc). The hype is warranted and he will be the automatic slam dunk #1 NFL draft pick whenever he decides to declare.

 

[EBF]

Is it worth giving up a good amount to make a play to draft Mark Ingram 1st overall? Been reading some conflicting reports lately (mostly on Draftcountdown.com's forums) about him not being a special talent and possibly disappointing as a pro and others saying his vision and all-around game will make him a very good starting RB in the NFL. I don't watch enough college football to form an accurate opinion on him, so the lack of unanimous endorsements about his talent has me questioning whether he should be the guy to target with that pick.

If I picked today and I had the 1.01, I would take Ingram. There might be other RBs in this draft who end up having good careers, but he's the only one who seems likely to do so. He has all the traits of an effective NFL starter. You can make a case that guys like Green and Blackmon are more talented, but rookie RBs tend to make bigger immediate impacts than rookie WRs, which results in them gaining value quicker. Ingram should be a top 30 dynasty player a year from now. I don't know if the same can be expected of any other rookie in the 2011 class. Whether or not you should trade up is another question that depends on a lot of other variables (such as your team, your league, and the price you'd have to pay).

 

[coolnerd]

Thanks Cool Nerds

I probably left a couple off if anything. The guys all have strengths and weaknesses are loved/hated according to those. Personally, I also watch a ton of college football, but don't do the finer points of scouting like some do here ( I tried and did not enjoy the games, felt like another job). I think seeing these guys play yourself and then watching for mismatches from what you are seeing to what people are telling you is the best approach to being able to form an opinion on guys w/o giving too much trust into any of these sources.

 

[Football Jones]

For instance, I like Bradford much more than I do Luck. Bradford is on another planet. I believe the difference in those two are clear & distinct. That will be shown in Luck's rookie season if he does, indeed, start. However, Luck is an certainly an interesting prospect & has the potential to be a good NFL QB. Just not as good as advertised.

That said, I'll be going over Luck with a fine-tooth comb in the offseason (if he comes out). I could possibly change my mind, but right now, I would temper expectations of greatness.

It's been my experience that most of the people who say this kind of thing about Luck have almost never watched him play. My guess is that you caught the Oregon game and maybe bits and pieces of a few other contests. I could be wrong, but I doubt you'd feel that way if you lived in Pac-10 country and watched him play regularly. I follow the Stanford program pretty closely. I have watched almost every snap of Luck's career. The guy is a prodigy. There's a reason why pretty much every coach in the conference says he's incredible and why the draft pundits are unanimous in lavishing him with praise. He has all of the requisite physical tools to be a top flight NFL QB. What sets him apart is his mind. He reads defenses extremely well and almost inevitably makes the correct decision under pressure. Watching teams try to blitz him has been comical because he just picks them apart. Absolutely surgical in the short and intermediate passing game. Go look at the stats. He has completed at least 70% of his passes for 7 straight games. And this isn't some cupcake gimmick college offense. Stanford runs a complex pro style offense.

Luck is legit. Watching highlights isn't enough to get an understanding of what he brings to the table. You have to watch how he manages the game. I don't have the stats handy, but Stanford's offense has been lethal this season. They score on almost every possession and complete an obscene percentage of third downs. That's #12 at work.

Is my enthusiasm partially the result of homerism? Perhaps, but go back and read the threads about Toby Gerhart last year. If anything, I was on the skeptical side of the spectrum. Luck is the best Stanford athlete that I have ever seen, including all of the basketball greats (Brevin Knight, Josh Childress, Brook Lopez, etc). The hype is warranted and he will be the automatic slam dunk #1 NFL draft pick whenever he decides to declare.

I've watched several of his games. That said, like I mentioned in my previous post, I'll study him hard when he comes out (I've got quite a few of his games taped). I think Luck could be a good NFL QB, but right now, he's a little overrated, IMO. I believe Bradford is a tier above Luck, but then again, I believe Bradford is a tier above any QB who has come out in recent memory.Again, not overrated in a sense that Luck couldn't be a good NFL QB, but definitely overrated as far as a potential great QB. I'll know more when I evaluate him for my rookie drafts, though.

 

[Steed]

For instance, I like Bradford much more than I do Luck. Bradford is on another planet. I believe the difference in those two are clear & distinct. That will be shown in Luck's rookie season if he does, indeed, start. However, Luck is an certainly an interesting prospect & has the potential to be a good NFL QB. Just not as good as advertised.

That said, I'll be going over Luck with a fine-tooth comb in the offseason (if he comes out). I could possibly change my mind, but right now, I would temper expectations of greatness.

It's been my experience that most of the people who say this kind of thing about Luck have almost never watched him play. My guess is that you caught the Oregon game and maybe bits and pieces of a few other contests. I could be wrong, but I doubt you'd feel that way if you lived in Pac-10 country and watched him play regularly. I follow the Stanford program pretty closely. I have watched almost every snap of Luck's career. The guy is a prodigy. There's a reason why pretty much every coach in the conference says he's incredible and why the draft pundits are unanimous in lavishing him with praise. He has all of the requisite physical tools to be a top flight NFL QB. What sets him apart is his mind. He reads defenses extremely well and almost inevitably makes the correct decision under pressure. Watching teams try to blitz him has been comical because he just picks them apart. Absolutely surgical in the short and intermediate passing game. Go look at the stats. He has completed at least 70% of his passes for 7 straight games. And this isn't some cupcake gimmick college offense. Stanford runs a complex pro style offense.

Luck is legit. Watching highlights isn't enough to get an understanding of what he brings to the table. You have to watch how he manages the game. I don't have the stats handy, but Stanford's offense has been lethal this season. They score on almost every possession and complete an obscene percentage of third downs. That's #12 at work.

Is my enthusiasm partially the result of homerism? Perhaps, but go back and read the threads about Toby Gerhart last year. If anything, I was on the skeptical side of the spectrum. Luck is the best Stanford athlete that I have ever seen, including all of the basketball greats (Brevin Knight, Josh Childress, Brook Lopez, etc). The hype is warranted and he will be the automatic slam dunk #1 NFL draft pick whenever he decides to declare.

I've watched several of his games. That said, like I mentioned in my previous post, I'll study him hard when he comes out (I've got quite a few of his games taped). I think Luck could be a good NFL QB, but right now, he's a little overrated, IMO. I believe Bradford is a tier above Luck, but then again, I believe Bradford is a tier above any QB who has come out in recent memory.Again, not overrated in a sense that Luck couldn't be a good NFL QB, but definitely overrated as far as a potential great QB. I'll know more when I evaluate him for my rookie drafts, though.

I don't remember you being as effusive in your praise for Bradford as you have been for Luck. Am I wrong or have you changed your mind?

 

[Football Jones]

The 2011 QB class is vastly overrated, IMO (as a group). On the other hand, I thought the 2010 class was vastly underrated coming out & that looks like it could very well be true (as of now), especially when Tebow gets going (who I'm very high on).

For instance, I like Bradford much more than I do Luck. Bradford is on another planet. I believe the difference in those two are clear & distinct. That will be shown in Luck's rookie season if he does, indeed, start. However, Luck is an certainly an interesting prospect & has the potential to be a good NFL QB. Just not as good as advertised.

That said, I'll be going over Luck with a fine-tooth comb in the offseason (if he comes out). I could possibly change my mind, but right now, I would temper expectations of greatness.

Can you expand on this? What specifically do you see in Bradford that you don't see in Luck?

I've watched several of Luck's games, but like I said, I haven't studied him like I will whenever he declares. Right now, I prefer virtually every aspect of Bradford's game over Luck's. Luck will probably be a better runner, but I don't think he'll have enough of an impact in that area to be any kind of a difference-maker (at least as far as FF is concerned).When I watch a QB, I look for things like footwork, release, what kind of ball he throws, arm strength, touch, accuracy, awareness, athletic ability, strength, etc. Things everybody else looks at.

Like I said, right now, I prefer Bradford in almost all areas except athletic ability, but Bradford is a very good athlete in his own right. I'll definitely have a more detailed report for Luck when I study him for my rookie drafts.

 

[Football Jones]

For instance, I like Bradford much more than I do Luck. Bradford is on another planet. I believe the difference in those two are clear & distinct. That will be shown in Luck's rookie season if he does, indeed, start. However, Luck is an certainly an interesting prospect & has the potential to be a good NFL QB. Just not as good as advertised.

That said, I'll be going over Luck with a fine-tooth comb in the offseason (if he comes out). I could possibly change my mind, but right now, I would temper expectations of greatness.

It's been my experience that most of the people who say this kind of thing about Luck have almost never watched him play. My guess is that you caught the Oregon game and maybe bits and pieces of a few other contests. I could be wrong, but I doubt you'd feel that way if you lived in Pac-10 country and watched him play regularly. I follow the Stanford program pretty closely. I have watched almost every snap of Luck's career. The guy is a prodigy. There's a reason why pretty much every coach in the conference says he's incredible and why the draft pundits are unanimous in lavishing him with praise. He has all of the requisite physical tools to be a top flight NFL QB. What sets him apart is his mind. He reads defenses extremely well and almost inevitably makes the correct decision under pressure. Watching teams try to blitz him has been comical because he just picks them apart. Absolutely surgical in the short and intermediate passing game. Go look at the stats. He has completed at least 70% of his passes for 7 straight games. And this isn't some cupcake gimmick college offense. Stanford runs a complex pro style offense.

Luck is legit. Watching highlights isn't enough to get an understanding of what he brings to the table. You have to watch how he manages the game. I don't have the stats handy, but Stanford's offense has been lethal this season. They score on almost every possession and complete an obscene percentage of third downs. That's #12 at work.

Is my enthusiasm partially the result of homerism? Perhaps, but go back and read the threads about Toby Gerhart last year. If anything, I was on the skeptical side of the spectrum. Luck is the best Stanford athlete that I have ever seen, including all of the basketball greats (Brevin Knight, Josh Childress, Brook Lopez, etc). The hype is warranted and he will be the automatic slam dunk #1 NFL draft pick whenever he decides to declare.

I've watched several of his games. That said, like I mentioned in my previous post, I'll study him hard when he comes out (I've got quite a few of his games taped). I think Luck could be a good NFL QB, but right now, he's a little overrated, IMO. I believe Bradford is a tier above Luck, but then again, I believe Bradford is a tier above any QB who has come out in recent memory.Again, not overrated in a sense that Luck couldn't be a good NFL QB, but definitely overrated as far as a potential great QB. I'll know more when I evaluate him for my rookie drafts, though.

I don't remember you being as effusive in your praise for Bradford as you have been for Luck. Am I wrong or have you changed your mind?

Changed my mind about Bradford? I was extremely high on Bradford coming out (took him at 1.1 in a dynasty league where you can start a 2nd QB at one of the flex spots & traded up in the 1st round to get him in another dynasty league).

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

I will be a doing a bit more of a write up in a week or so when I am done with finals. Some quick hitters though

- Ingram/Green are a clear 1-2 with a big cap behind them IMO

- Jones/Blackmon/Baldwin make up the 2nd tier in some order, to be shaken out by the combine and who drafts them

- Outside of Ingram, RB position has no stars but decent depth. I think LeShoure and D. Thomas have positioned themselves to be the next off the board at this point. R. Williams could join that crew if he is fully healthy and tests well at the combine. If any of those guys end up on the right offense (GB, NE, etc.) they could jump up to the top 5 or higher.

- I loved Bradford coming out of the draft, I love Luck even more. Not really big on any other QB's. Mallett and Newton will probably be first rounders, but I won't touch them

- A couple of guys I will be very interested to see test are the Boise St. WR's, Titus Young and Austin Pettis. I can envision them being mid round picks who are more productive than anyone expects.

 

[Concept Coop]

I will be a doing a bit more of a write up in a week or so when I am done with finals. Some quick hitters though- Ingram/Green are a clear 1-2 with a big cap behind them IMO- Jones/Blackmon/Baldwin make up the 2nd tier in some order, to be shaken out by the combine and who drafts them- Outside of Ingram, RB position has no stars but decent depth. I think LeShoure and D. Thomas have positioned themselves to be the next off the board at this point. R. Williams could join that crew if he is fully healthy and tests well at the combine. If any of those guys end up on the right offense (GB, NE, etc.) they could jump up to the top 5 or higher. - I loved Bradford coming out of the draft, I love Luck even more. Not really big on any other QB's. Mallett and Newton will probably be first rounders, but I won't touch them- A couple of guys I will be very interested to see test are the Boise St. WR's, Titus Young and Austin Pettis. I can envision them being mid round picks who are more productive than anyone expects.

Do you like Williams more than Evans? Aside from the injury concern, I am leaning towards Evans. I don't think Williams is in the conversation for either the 1sr or 2nd round, after this seasn. Also, I am puting Jones in is own tier (below the big 2, above everone else)- I really think he will be good.

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

I will be a doing a bit more of a write up in a week or so when I am done with finals. Some quick hitters though- Ingram/Green are a clear 1-2 with a big cap behind them IMO- Jones/Blackmon/Baldwin make up the 2nd tier in some order, to be shaken out by the combine and who drafts them- Outside of Ingram, RB position has no stars but decent depth. I think LeShoure and D. Thomas have positioned themselves to be the next off the board at this point. R. Williams could join that crew if he is fully healthy and tests well at the combine. If any of those guys end up on the right offense (GB, NE, etc.) they could jump up to the top 5 or higher. - I loved Bradford coming out of the draft, I love Luck even more. Not really big on any other QB's. Mallett and Newton will probably be first rounders, but I won't touch them- A couple of guys I will be very interested to see test are the Boise St. WR's, Titus Young and Austin Pettis. I can envision them being mid round picks who are more productive than anyone expects.

Do you like Williams more than Evans? Aside from the injury concern, I am leaning towards Evans. I don't think Williams is in the conversation for either the 1sr or 2nd round, after this seasn. Also, I am puting Jones in is own tier (below the big 2, above everone else)- I really think he will be good.

Evans does nothing for me really. There are plenty of guys like him available every year. Williams has high potential, he just hasn't fully lived up to it at this point. I would take Williams over him every time.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

Granted I haven't spent a tonne of time scouting/researching the prospects yet, that'll prob happen during/after bowl season, but based solely on posts made in the last 2 pages of this thread:

Overrated:

AJ Green (I LOVE his pass catching ability, his leaping ability, and his ability to win jump balls. I'm concerned with his he has very skinny, and he doesn't look very dynamic in the open field. I think he can be the next Roddy White, but Green has some sizable warts that people are too freely ignoring imo.)

Daniel Thomas (Simply not a very talented back. He runs tall, which is made more evident by him being 6-2, and he has no real special qualities that make me believe he's going to be a successful starting RB in the NFL. His game is better suited for college ball than the NFL imo).

Underrated:

Michael Floyd (People seem to be having him in a tier, or 2, below Julio/Blackmon/Baldwin when I don't think this should be the case [especially behind Baldwin]. Floyd wins jump balls with ease, catches the balls with his hands, and is very strong. He's an exceptional run blocker also, and he does all the little things right such that I think he'll be plugged into the starting lineup right away after being drafted. Guy just needs to get a 40 time under 4.6 and I think he'll be great).

 

[Concept Coop]

Granted I haven't spent a tonne of time scouting/researching the prospects yet, that'll prob happen during/after bowl season, but based solely on posts made in the last 2 pages of this thread:

Overrated:

AJ Green (I LOVE his pass catching ability, his leaping ability, and his ability to win jump balls. I'm concerned with his he has very skinny, and he doesn't look very dynamic in the open field. I think he can be the next Roddy White, but Green has some sizable warts that people are too freely ignoring imo.)

Daniel Thomas (Simply not a very talented back. He runs tall, which is made more evident by him being 6-2, and he has no real special qualities that make me believe he's going to be a successful starting RB in the NFL. His game is better suited for college ball than the NFL imo).

Underrated:

Michael Floyd (People seem to be having him in a tier, or 2, below Julio/Blackmon/Baldwin when I don't think this should be the case [especically behind Baldwin]. Floyd wins jump balls with ease, catches the balls with his hands, and is very strong. He's an exceptional run blocker also, and he does all the little things right such that I think he'll be plugged into the starting lineup right away after being drafted. Guy just needs to get a 40 time under 4.6 and I think he'll be great).

I am interested to hear what those warts are? It is hard to have these conversations without sounding like an armchair scout, and I don't intend to - like you, I haven't done research outside of the games that I catch, but: Build is the only question I have on Green - I think he is a fantastic prospect. What could you possibly question, so much to call it a wart, and multiple warts, even?

 

[Time Kibitzer]

Granted I haven't spent a tonne of time scouting/researching the prospects yet, that'll prob happen during/after bowl season, but based solely on posts made in the last 2 pages of this thread:

Overrated:

AJ Green (I LOVE his pass catching ability, his leaping ability, and his ability to win jump balls. I'm concerned with his he has very skinny, and he doesn't look very dynamic in the open field. I think he can be the next Roddy White, but Green has some sizable warts that people are too freely ignoring imo.)

Daniel Thomas (Simply not a very talented back. He runs tall, which is made more evident by him being 6-2, and he has no real special qualities that make me believe he's going to be a successful starting RB in the NFL. His game is better suited for college ball than the NFL imo).

Underrated:

Michael Floyd (People seem to be having him in a tier, or 2, below Julio/Blackmon/Baldwin when I don't think this should be the case [especically behind Baldwin]. Floyd wins jump balls with ease, catches the balls with his hands, and is very strong. He's an exceptional run blocker also, and he does all the little things right such that I think he'll be plugged into the starting lineup right away after being drafted. Guy just needs to get a 40 time under 4.6 and I think he'll be great).

I am interested to hear what those warts are? It is hard to have these conversations without sounding like an armchair scout, and I don't intend to - like you, I haven't done research outside of the games that I catch, but: Build is the only question I have on Green - I think he is a fantastic prospect. What could you possibly question, so much to call it a wart, and multiple warts, even?

I listed the two main ones in that post. He is extremely skinny, almost to the extent that you could put your hand completely around his wrist. I worry what will happen if he takes a huge blindside hit from a NFL safety. Second, he doesn't look dynamic after the catch. Granted with his pass-catching ability he doesn't really need to be, but it limits his upside at minimum.

 

[Rodeojones]

For instance, I like Bradford much more than I do Luck. Bradford is on another planet. I believe the difference in those two are clear & distinct. That will be shown in Luck's rookie season if he does, indeed, start. However, Luck is an certainly an interesting prospect & has the potential to be a good NFL QB. Just not as good as advertised.That said, I'll be going over Luck with a fine-tooth comb in the offseason (if he comes out). I could possibly change my mind, but right now, I would temper expectations of greatness.

It's been my experience that most of the people who say this kind of thing about Luck have almost never watched him play. My guess is that you caught the Oregon game and maybe bits and pieces of a few other contests. I could be wrong, but I doubt you'd feel that way if you lived in Pac-10 country and watched him play regularly. I follow the Stanford program pretty closely. I have watched almost every snap of Luck's career. The guy is a prodigy. There's a reason why pretty much every coach in the conference says he's incredible and why the draft pundits are unanimous in lavishing him with praise. He has all of the requisite physical tools to be a top flight NFL QB. What sets him apart is his mind. He reads defenses extremely well and almost inevitably makes the correct decision under pressure. Watching teams try to blitz him has been comical because he just picks them apart. Absolutely surgical in the short and intermediate passing game. Go look at the stats. He has completed at least 70% of his passes for 7 straight games. And this isn't some cupcake gimmick college offense. Stanford runs a complex pro style offense. Luck is legit. Watching highlights isn't enough to get an understanding of what he brings to the table. You have to watch how he manages the game. I don't have the stats handy, but Stanford's offense has been lethal this season. They score on almost every possession and complete an obscene percentage of third downs. That's #12 at work.Is my enthusiasm partially the result of homerism? Perhaps, but go back and read the threads about Toby Gerhart last year. If anything, I was on the skeptical side of the spectrum. Luck is the best Stanford athlete that I have ever seen, including all of the basketball greats (Brevin Knight, Josh Childress, Brook Lopez, etc). The hype is warranted and he will be the automatic slam dunk #1 NFL draft pick whenever he decides to declare.

Not that EBF needs anyone to defend him, but he has been high on Luck for some time. EBF was touting Luck on the boards around late 2009, long before he was on anyones radar.

 

[Concept Coop]

I listed the two main ones in that post. He is extremely skinny, almost to the extent that you could put your hand completely around his wrist. I worry what will happen if he takes a huge blindside hit from a NFL safety. Second, he doesn't look dynamic after the catch. Granted with his pass-catching ability he doesn't really need to be, but it limits his upside at minimum.

I think it is easy to say he is not dynamic, due to his stature. He glides, more than sprits, but he is still plenty fast and plenty dangerous after the catch. I would be more worried about his build if I saw him pushed around, but I didn't. Not at all. He is great in traffic, he is great in space, he is great in the air, he has great hands. I like him more than I did Dez this year and Crabtree the year before. I hate to use the cliche "best since" statement, but I think AJ is as good of a WR prospect as anyone in quite some time. I am rarely ever an advocate of taking a WR in the top 5, but Green is an exception I would make. Even as a Green fan coming into this season, I was shocked at what he was able to do with a true freshman throwing him the ball in the SEC.

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

For instance, I like Bradford much more than I do Luck. Bradford is on another planet. I believe the difference in those two are clear & distinct. That will be shown in Luck's rookie season if he does, indeed, start. However, Luck is an certainly an interesting prospect & has the potential to be a good NFL QB. Just not as good as advertised.That said, I'll be going over Luck with a fine-tooth comb in the offseason (if he comes out). I could possibly change my mind, but right now, I would temper expectations of greatness.

It's been my experience that most of the people who say this kind of thing about Luck have almost never watched him play. My guess is that you caught the Oregon game and maybe bits and pieces of a few other contests. I could be wrong, but I doubt you'd feel that way if you lived in Pac-10 country and watched him play regularly. I follow the Stanford program pretty closely. I have watched almost every snap of Luck's career. The guy is a prodigy. There's a reason why pretty much every coach in the conference says he's incredible and why the draft pundits are unanimous in lavishing him with praise. He has all of the requisite physical tools to be a top flight NFL QB. What sets him apart is his mind. He reads defenses extremely well and almost inevitably makes the correct decision under pressure. Watching teams try to blitz him has been comical because he just picks them apart. Absolutely surgical in the short and intermediate passing game. Go look at the stats. He has completed at least 70% of his passes for 7 straight games. And this isn't some cupcake gimmick college offense. Stanford runs a complex pro style offense. Luck is legit. Watching highlights isn't enough to get an understanding of what he brings to the table. You have to watch how he manages the game. I don't have the stats handy, but Stanford's offense has been lethal this season. They score on almost every possession and complete an obscene percentage of third downs. That's #12 at work.Is my enthusiasm partially the result of homerism? Perhaps, but go back and read the threads about Toby Gerhart last year. If anything, I was on the skeptical side of the spectrum. Luck is the best Stanford athlete that I have ever seen, including all of the basketball greats (Brevin Knight, Josh Childress, Brook Lopez, etc). The hype is warranted and he will be the automatic slam dunk #1 NFL draft pick whenever he decides to declare.

Not that EBF needs anyone to defend him, but he has been high on Luck for some time. EBF was touting Luck on the boards around late 2009, long before he was on anyones radar.

Yep. I remember him taking him in a devy league or two very high and people criticizing him for that pick.

 

[Don Quixote]

I listed the two main ones in that post. He is extremely skinny, almost to the extent that you could put your hand completely around his wrist. I worry what will happen if he takes a huge blindside hit from a NFL safety. Second, he doesn't look dynamic after the catch. Granted with his pass-catching ability he doesn't really need to be, but it limits his upside at minimum.

I think it is easy to say he is not dynamic, due to his stature. He glides, more than sprits, but he is still plenty fast and plenty dangerous after the catch. I would be more worried about his build if I saw him pushed around, but I didn't. Not at all. He is great in traffic, he is great in space, he is great in the air, he has great hands. I like him more than I did Dez this year and Crabtree the year before. I hate to use the cliche "best since" statement, but I think AJ is as good of a WR prospect as anyone in quite some time. I am rarely ever an advocate of taking a WR in the top 5, but Green is an exception I would make. Even as a Green fan coming into this season, I was shocked at what he was able to do with a true freshman throwing him the ball in the SEC.

Minor quibble, but Murray is a redshirt freshman.

 

[Concept Coop]

I listed the two main ones in that post. He is extremely skinny, almost to the extent that you could put your hand completely around his wrist. I worry what will happen if he takes a huge blindside hit from a NFL safety. Second, he doesn't look dynamic after the catch. Granted with his pass-catching ability he doesn't really need to be, but it limits his upside at minimum.

I think it is easy to say he is not dynamic, due to his stature. He glides, more than sprits, but he is still plenty fast and plenty dangerous after the catch. I would be more worried about his build if I saw him pushed around, but I didn't. Not at all. He is great in traffic, he is great in space, he is great in the air, he has great hands. I like him more than I did Dez this year and Crabtree the year before. I hate to use the cliche "best since" statement, but I think AJ is as good of a WR prospect as anyone in quite some time. I am rarely ever an advocate of taking a WR in the top 5, but Green is an exception I would make. Even as a Green fan coming into this season, I was shocked at what he was able to do with a true freshman throwing him the ball in the SEC.

Minor quibble, but Murray is a redshirt freshman.

My mistake. Still impressed.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Russ Lande at the Sporting News continues to have Ryan Williams as a top-15 pick in his mock draft, while Ingram is at pick 32. It's been that way for months now. I find that interesting.

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

Russ Lande at the Sporting News continues to have Ryan Williams as a top-15 pick in his mock draft, while Ingram is at pick 32. It's been that way for months now. I find that interesting.

Williams is the one back in the draft that I think has the potential to be better than Ingram. Someone compared him to DeAngelo Williams at the beginning of this thread and I can sort of see that as a possible pro outcome for him. But he doesn't have enough of a track record, IMO, for me to say with any certainty whether that is likely or not. Ingram is about as safe as you can get, pretty much a lock to be a top 10 RB in the league.

 

[J-Dawg]

Underrated:

Michael Floyd (People seem to be having him in a tier, or 2, below Julio/Blackmon/Baldwin when I don't think this should be the case [especially behind Baldwin]. Floyd wins jump balls with ease, catches the balls with his hands, and is very strong. He's an exceptional run blocker also, and he does all the little things right such that I think he'll be plugged into the starting lineup right away after being drafted. Guy just needs to get a 40 time under 4.6 and I think he'll be great).

I think part of the reason why this is the case is the Floyd's injury history. It scared some people from ranking Best too high coming out of college and I feel the same is starting to happen with Floyd. If he didn't have those concerns he would easily be in the 2nd tier of WRs but if I'm looking to take a WR in the 1st round of a dynasty league, I'd be hesitant to take Floyd over some of these other guys because of his past. That said, I would rank him about equal with Baldwin or possibly above him. He seems like a more complete player than Baldwin who is more raw. Baldwin might have a higher ceiling but also has the bigger bust factor to balance it. On the whole Ryan Williams discussion. Is it even a foregone conclusion that he declares this season to begin with? With the lack of playing time he's received and the fact he hasn't been VT's featured runner, I think there's just as good a chance that he comes back to play college ball next year than there is of him coming out. He could do a lot to improve his draft stock for 2012 because as it sits right now I don't see him making it into the 1st round.

I know people love to talk about Julio's talent but what if he ends up going to a team like the Redskins? I've seen him mocked there in a lot of mock drafts online which concerns me. I've never been a big fan of Washington being able to properly develop players, especially on offence. No real reason why I feel that way either, just what my gut tells me and I would be concerned to spend a 1st round rookie pick on another Redskin WR regardless of how good he looks coming out of college. I would be inclined to move Jones behind Blackmon in my rankings, especially if Blackmon goes to a team like the Chiefs, Rams or Falcons.

 

[Chest Rockwell]

On the whole Ryan Williams discussion. Is it even a foregone conclusion that he declares this season to begin with? With the lack of playing time he's received and the fact he hasn't been VT's featured runner, I think there's just as good a chance that he comes back to play college ball next year than there is of him coming out. He could do a lot to improve his draft stock for 2012 because as it sits right now I don't see him making it into the 1st round.

FWIW, Virginia Tech RB coach Billy Hite appears to recommend foregoing the remainder of college eligibility for both Darren Evans AND Ryan Williams.

>Hite's advice to both was to stay in school if they weren't expected to be picked in the draft's first three rounds. But Hite concedes that if one of them is likely to be drafted early, "you need to go."

"I don’t think they’ll make a decision until the bowl game is over with," Hite said. "But the money that you make in those first three rounds, if you’re not gonna be drafted there this year, you’ll never make that money up."<

Both have submitted their paper work to NFL draft advisory board...Link to the Hokies Journal

Ryan Williams really han't been 100% all season but the '09 tape doesn't tell any lies. Very few RB's (NFL or otherwise) have Williams' vision or extraordinary cutback ability. When the guy plants and changes direction with that kind of wiggle, it's very tough to defend once he has a bit of daylight because his pad level is so low. There's really nothing upright about the him when he meets a defender, and it allows him to shed arm tackles and bounce off defenders who aren't perfectly square. It's an elite skill and seems utterly natural.

Rarely puts the ball on the turf(went 300+ carries last season without a fumble).

Requisite NFL size/speed combo (maybe a bit small but claims to be playing @210). Only 20 so there's no reason he can't be NFL effective @ 215-218 as his body matures.

High character guy by all accounts thus far

Superior athlete.

2010 results notwithstanding, Ryan Williams is the goods. I don't think an in season hammy pull and a pre season HAS are going to prevent him from landing where he belongs (1st round) providing he clocks in the 4.4's at the combine.

 

[DansRams]

On the whole Ryan Williams discussion. Is it even a foregone conclusion that he declares this season to begin with? With the lack of playing time he's received and the fact he hasn't been VT's featured runner, I think there's just as good a chance that he comes back to play college ball next year than there is of him coming out. He could do a lot to improve his draft stock for 2012 because as it sits right now I don't see him making it into the 1st round.

FWIW, Virginia Tech RB coach Billy Hite appears to recommend foregoing the remainder of college eligibility for both Darren Evans AND Ryan Williams.

>Hite's advice to both was to stay in school if they weren't expected to be picked in the draft's first three rounds. But Hite concedes that if one of them is likely to be drafted early, "you need to go."

"I don’t think they’ll make a decision until the bowl game is over with," Hite said. "But the money that you make in those first three rounds, if you’re not gonna be drafted there this year, you’ll never make that money up."<

Both have submitted their paper work to NFL draft advisory board...Link to the Hokies Journal

Ryan Williams really han't been 100% all season but the '09 tape doesn't tell any lies. Very few RB's (NFL or otherwise) have Williams' vision or extraordinary cutback ability. When the guy plants and changes direction with that kind of wiggle, it's very tough to defend once he has a bit of daylight because his pad level is so low. There's really nothing upright about the him when he meets a defender, and it allows him to shed arm tackles and bounce off defenders who aren't perfectly square. It's an elite skill and seems utterly natural.

Rarely puts the ball on the turf(went 300+ carries last season without a fumble).

Requisite NFL size/speed combo (maybe a bit small but claims to be playing @210). Only 20 so there's no reason he can't be NFL effective @ 215-218 as his body matures.

High character guy by all accounts thus far

Superior athlete.

2010 results notwithstanding, Ryan Williams is the goods. I don't think an in season hammy pull and a pre season HAS are going to prevent him from landing where he belongs (1st round) providing he clocks in the 4.4's at the combine.

I am more and more thinking R Williams is currently the most undervalued potential fantasy player in this years draft. I don't expect him to be better than Ingram but it wouldn't surprise me either.With reguards to some of the previous posts...Luck is a stud...bank it. Better than Bradford? We will have to see, but close at least. Someone talked about how Floyd is underrated...I agree. He would have been the 3rd best WR in last yrs draft IMO. If you think Green is overrated...check your eyes, you may need glasses. Jones is a stud, but needs the right offense/QB to make an early impact. Baldwin may be the 2nd most underrated player behind Williams with Thomas right behind him.

One thing is for sure IMO...the top 10 in this yrs draft are MUCH better than the top 10 last year...better elite talent and better depth

 

[daveR]

 

[lod01]

where are some of the best websites to get scouting info and opinions on this draft class?

I am not going to say best but here are sites that I go to (not in order) thehuddlereport.comnfldraftcountdown.comdraftguys.comnationalfootballpost.comdraftnasty.comgbnreport.comRob RangMel KiperTodd McShayFBGs Shark pool discussionsDraft daddy has a blog that gives daily updates of draft eligable players. Usually articles on the players too.Bilal Powell is on tonight at 8.

 

[Don Quixote]

Bilal Powell is on tonight at 8.

I posted about Powell earlier on in this thread. I think he's an under-discussed RB prospect. He really came on strong this year. He's got a good blend of size and speed, but some would probably say that he runs too upright.On the So. Miss side... I have not heard if DeAndre Brown is going to play tonight. But he's been injured most of the year and would probably be smart to come back for next year. I like their QB Austin Davis, and he has been great for my college fantasy team, but his game probably does not translate to the NFL well (and he's a 2012 prospect).

 

[Concept Coop]

I am more and more thinking R Williams is currently the most undervalued potential fantasy player in this years draft. I don't expect him to be better than Ingram but it wouldn't surprise me either.With reguards to some of the previous posts...Luck is a stud...bank it. Better than Bradford? We will have to see, but close at least. Someone talked about how Floyd is underrated...I agree. He would have been the 3rd best WR in last yrs draft IMO. If you think Green is overrated...check your eyes, you may need glasses. Jones is a stud, but needs the right offense/QB to make an early impact. Baldwin may be the 2nd most underrated player behind Williams with Thomas right behind him.One thing is for sure IMO...the top 10 in this yrs draft are MUCH better than the top 10 last year...better elite talent and better depth

I must admit that I don't get the Williams love. He got a shot becuase the starter went down for the year. The starter came back a year later and took the job...again.

 

[todisco1]

I am more and more thinking R Williams is currently the most undervalued potential fantasy player in this years draft. I don't expect him to be better than Ingram but it wouldn't surprise me either.With reguards to some of the previous posts...Luck is a stud...bank it. Better than Bradford? We will have to see, but close at least. Someone talked about how Floyd is underrated...I agree. He would have been the 3rd best WR in last yrs draft IMO. If you think Green is overrated...check your eyes, you may need glasses. Jones is a stud, but needs the right offense/QB to make an early impact. Baldwin may be the 2nd most underrated player behind Williams with Thomas right behind him.One thing is for sure IMO...the top 10 in this yrs draft are MUCH better than the top 10 last year...better elite talent and better depth

I must admit that I don't get the Williams love. He got a shot becuase the starter went down for the year. The starter came back a year later and took the job...again.

Hasn't Williams been dinged a lot this year though?

 

[DansRams]

I am more and more thinking R Williams is currently the most undervalued potential fantasy player in this years draft. I don't expect him to be better than Ingram but it wouldn't surprise me either.With reguards to some of the previous posts...Luck is a stud...bank it. Better than Bradford? We will have to see, but close at least. Someone talked about how Floyd is underrated...I agree. He would have been the 3rd best WR in last yrs draft IMO. If you think Green is overrated...check your eyes, you may need glasses. Jones is a stud, but needs the right offense/QB to make an early impact. Baldwin may be the 2nd most underrated player behind Williams with Thomas right behind him.One thing is for sure IMO...the top 10 in this yrs draft are MUCH better than the top 10 last year...better elite talent and better depth

I must admit that I don't get the Williams love. He got a shot becuase the starter went down for the year. The starter came back a year later and took the job...again.

Watch his 09 tape...he was injured this year. What I see when I watch him is a quick and fast runner with good power, balance, agility and top end speed. If he runs a 4.4 at the combine he will climb up draft boards quick.BTW, he didn't lose his starting position, he got injured and was never fully healthy, so the coach kept him in a committe.

 

[DansRams]

Bilal Powell is on tonight at 8.

I posted about Powell earlier on in this thread. I think he's an under-discussed RB prospect. He really came on strong this year. He's got a good blend of size and speed, but some would probably say that he runs too upright.On the So. Miss side... I have not heard if DeAndre Brown is going to play tonight. But he's been injured most of the year and would probably be smart to come back for next year. I like their QB Austin Davis, and he has been great for my college fantasy team, but his game probably does not translate to the NFL well (and he's a 2012 prospect).

The more I see of Powell the more I like, although I have only seen limited action. I will be watching closely tonight.

 

[BigTex]

I really hope Williams comes out. He looked like his old self in the last game he played.

 

[JohnnyU]

Citing two sources close to the player, WSBTV 2 Georgia reports that Bulldogs WR A.J. Green will forgo his senior season and enter the 2011 NFL draft.

"There is a 100 percent chance he is gone," both sources told the sports channel, "and a possible (NFL) lockout has no bearing on his decision." Listed at 6-foot-4 and 205 pounds, Green averaged 96.4 yards and over a touchdown per game during Georgia's regular season after missing the first four weeks due to allegations that he sold a game-worn jersey on eBay. A silky smooth deep threat who's generated comparisons to Randy Moss, Green projects as a top-five pick in next April's draft. Dec. 22 - 6:53 pm et

Source: WSBTV 2 Suwanee

 

[Spike]

Citing two sources close to the player, WSBTV 2 Georgia reports that Bulldogs WR A.J. Green will forgo his senior season and enter the 2011 NFL draft.

"There is a 100 percent chance he is gone," both sources told the sports channel, "and a possible (NFL) lockout has no bearing on his decision." Listed at 6-foot-4 and 205 pounds, Green averaged 96.4 yards and over a touchdown per game during Georgia's regular season after missing the first four weeks due to allegations that he sold a game-worn jersey on eBay. A silky smooth deep threat who's generated comparisons to Randy Moss, Green projects as a top-five pick in next April's draft. Dec. 22 - 6:53 pm et

Source: WSBTV 2 Suwanee

I love how these projections are almost always wrong.(Not throwing down on JohnnyU on this.)

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

Five Ohio State players got suspended for the first five games of next season (Terrelle Pryor, Boom Herron, Devier Posey, Mike Adams, Solomon Thomas)

That significantly increases the chances that they could go pro.

Posey would likely be a top 10 WR in the draft.

Pryor is an intriguing prospect although I don't think he is an NFL QB at all.

Herron put up big numbers this year, but I really can't say much about him as a prospect at this point.

It will be interesting to follow though.

Five Ohio State Players Suspended

 

[Novice2]

He is extremely skinny, almost to the extent that you could put your hand completely around his wrist. I worry what will happen if he takes a huge blindside hit from a NFL safety.

A 75,000 fine & two game suspension. Or 4 game suspension if it is a Steeler.

 

[oukurt]

With this being possibly the best WR class ever, I have decided to focus my efforts on the 2011 WR class. Seeking out all of the information I can on the WRs. I see only 2-3 RBs after Ingram that could make a contribution at the next level. Also the QB class is pretty much cut and dry.

Here are some projections and info I found for the 2011 WRs. I agree with much of this. I think Vince Brown (this guy will be a beast in the slot), Jernigan, and DeAndre Brown are too low on this list, while Little and Maze are too high. Some good basic info here:

1) A.J. Green- Georgia*- 6’4 212

There’s not much you can’t say about A.J. Green. He’s one of the most talented players in the nation, and has great size at 6’4 192 pounds. Green is a speedy wide receiver who runs excellent routes, with excellent control of his body for making easy and tough catches. He can beat even the fastest of cornerbacks, and gets excellent separation. Some maturity issues are a small concern, but if he really wants to be dominant, then he needs to get stronger and get a bit better fighting for the ball. He’s still a the top option at wide receiver. Projection: Top 10 pick

2) Julio Jones- Alabama*- 6’4 220

Jones is the biggest competition for A.J. Green in the top spot. What makes Jones so special is his possession ability. He has excellent size at 6’4 220, and he fights corners for the football. He’s tough after the catch and is fast enough to beat receivers down the field. He’s excellent catching the ball in the middle of the field, as well as making tight sideline catches. His biggest flaw is his concentration. He often drops the easier passes and makes the tougher catches. While his college statistics are nothing to write home about, he suffers thanks to a heavy rushing attack by the Crimson Tide, but Jones always comes through when needed. Projection: 1st

3) Justin Blackmon- Oklahoma State**- 6’1 207

Blackmon is just one of those athletes that screams Top 15 pick. Blackmon’s speed, and play making ability is rumored to be even bigger than former Oklahoma State star Dez Bryant. Blackmon sits at 6’1 207 pounds, and is averaging over 17 yards a catch in the NCAA, and he’s just a redshirt sophomore. He’s a raw prospect who still needs work running routes, and being more physical. But he has all the tools to become a star. Projection: 1st round

4) Jonathan Baldwin- Pittsburgh*- 6’5 230

Jon Baldwin is an intimidating wide receiver, at 6’5 230 pounds. Some collegiate tight ends are smaller than him. He has excellent hands and body control, as he’s also a very strong wide receiver. For being such a big wide out, his downfield ability is limited, however, there is huge upside. He’s got solid speed, but needs to learn to better create separation from corner backs. Baldwin’s hands make him a top prospect, still, as he can catch well and runs very well after the catch. Projection: 1st

5) Michael Floyd- Notre Dame*- 6’3 225

This is truly a year for big wide receivers, as our 4th rated wide receiver is 6’3 228 pounds. Michael Floyd is one of the best wide receivers in the middle of the field. His ability to create separation is excellent, and he’s very quick in and out of his breaks. His hands are generally reliable, and he has a very good ability after the catch to take it the distance. Floyd is the ideal receiver you want on your team if you want to convert on that tough 3rd and long, and he isn’t afraid to take a shot from a safety. Projection: 2nd

6) Austin Pettis- Boise State- 6’3 201

For what Pettis lacks in top end speed, he makes up in route running and reliable hands. Pettis could sneak into the first round if he can post a solid forty yard dash, as he is one of the most athletic players in college football. He’s not an easy guy to tackle either.

Projection: 2nd

7) Ryan Broyles- Oklahoma*- 5’10 185

Broyles is a smaller, quick hitter. He can catch a slant and turn it up field for a long gain, but he can also use his speed to get downfield in a hurry. Broyles catches the ball and turns it up field instantly, and he’s not afraid to catch the ball in the middle of the field. Broyles is an outstanding punt returner as well.

Projection: 2nd

8 ) Greg Little- North Carolina- 6’3 220

This running back turned receiver still needs a lot of work, as he is very raw. He’s a physical wide receiver that fights for balls thrown his way. He needs to work on looking the ball into his hands.

Projection: 2nd

9) Greg Childs- Arkansas- 6’3 217*

Childs Please! That’s the new “catch” phrase every time the excellent down field receiver hauls in a pass. Childs needs to work on his route running, but can stretch the field very well, and has reliable hands.

Projection: 2nd

10) Leonard Hankerson- Miami (Fl.)- 6’3 205

Hankerson is a lanky receiver who is as sure-handed as they come. Hankerson broke out in 2009, and has followed up with a stellar senior campaign despite mediocre quarterback play. He’s an excellent red zone threat.

Projection: 2nd

11) Marquis Maze- Alabama*- 5’10 183

Maze is often overshadowed by potential first rounder Julio Jones. But Maze is the ideal slot receiver who is quick in and out of his routes, and has excellent return skills. Maze generally has reliable hands as well.

Projection: 3rd

12) Tandon Doss- Indiana*- 6’4 205

Doss isn’t a burner, but he can still get down field and make a play. He has some of the best hands in the NCAA, and he runs crisp routes. His best catches often come in the middle of the field in traffic.

Projection: 3rd

13) Terrance Toliver- LSU- 6’5 204

Toliver is a fast receiver who still needs some work running routes. He has excellent ability after making the catch and can turn a five yard catch into 25 yards in a hurry. His height makes him a good red zone target, despite his touchdown total not showing it.

Projection: 3rd

14) Niles Paul- Nebraska- 6’1 219

One of Paul’s greatest attributes is making the tough catches. He brings the ball well into his body, and is a solid route runner. He’s not a game breaker in terms of speed, but he’s a solid possession receiver.

Projection: 4th

15) Chris Owusu- Stanford*- 6’2 200

Owusu is best known for his return ability as his vision on returns is incredible. He has excellent speed, and fights for the ball well, despite not being a big receiver. Owusu doesn’t drop many passes either.

Projection: 4th

16) Vincent Brown- San Diego State- 6’0 195

Brown is one of the fastest receivers in college football. He’s excellent down the field, and can make plays after the catch. His hands need a little bit of work, but he gets great separation and uses his speed to make defenders miss.

Projection: 4th

17) Ronald Johnson- USC- 6’0 187

Johnson is a smaller receiver who fits best in the slot. He has good speed and is solid after the run. He has pretty good hands and makes catches all over the field. He can take a pass to the end zone on virtually every play as he can out run many of the defenders.

Projection: 5th

18) Titus Young- Boise State- 5’11 175

This wide receiver class in lined with guys who can outrun entire defenses. Young is another one of those smaller guys who excels in the return game and is heavily utilized in quick slants and screen passes. He’s excellent after the catch.

Projection: 5th

19) Ryan Whalen- Stanford- 6’2 205

Whalen isn’t a guy known for his speed, but his ability to catch the ball in traffic is uncanny. He’s a tougher wide receiver who fights for the ball well, and doesn’t care to run out of bounds. He won’t beat many cornerbacks down the field, but he will catch the ball over most players one on one.

Projection: 5th

20) Derrell Johnson-Koulianos- Iowa- 6’1 200

DJK is a quicker receiver who catches well down the field. He can stretch the middle of the field very well, and is mediocre after the catch. His reliable hands also make him a nice red zone target. He also does a nice job running the routes underneath the secondary.

Projection: 5th

21) Mark Dell- Michigan State- 6’2 200

Dell is a quicker receiver who can catch well downfield. He’s not much of a red zone option, however.

Projection: 5th

22) Jerrell Jernigan- Troy- 5’8 190

Troy’s all-purpose receiver can run the ball well, and catch even better. He’s a threat to take it to the house on every touch, but lacks ideal size.

Projection: 5th

23) James Cleveland- Houston- 6’2 205

Cleveland is a short yardage receiver who benefits from the system in Houston. He’s a reliable red zone receiver.

Projection: 5th

24) DeAndre Brown- Southern Miss*- 6’6 240

Brown has missed time in 2010 with a leg injury, but is a big red zone target who excels getting separation and making big catches down field.

Projection: 5th

25) DeVier Posey- Ohio State*- 6’2 213

Posey has a great combination of size and speed. He needs to be more consistent catching passes, but doesn’t have an ideal quarterback getting him the ball.

Projection: 6th

26) Gerald Jones- Tennessee- 6’0 195

Jones has missed some time in 2010, and is a smaller short yardage guy who’s quick in and out of his routes.

Projection: 6th

27) Keith Smith- Purdue- 6’2 226

Smith suffered an ACL and MCL tear in the third week. He’s a bigger possession receiver who has good speed. He may apply for a medical redshirt.

Projection: 6th

28) Aldrick Robinson- SMU- 5’10 180

SMU continues to put out quick, speedy receivers, and Robinson is a big time home run threat. He needs to work on his route running and looking the ball in.

Projection: 6th

29) Cecil Shorts- Mount Union- 6’2 200

Perhaps the next Pierre Garcon has arrived. Despite coming out of a non-FBS school, Shorts has been very productive. He’s got very good hands and has exceptional route running ability.

Projection: 6th

30) Armon Binns- Cincinnati- 6’3 205

Binns could be a lot higher on this list, but inconsistent hands will scare some teams away. Still, his speed and size combination are ideal. He stretches the field very well.

Projection: 7th

31) Greg Salas- Hawaii- 6’2 210

Projection: 7th

 

[I was in the pool]

Underrated:

Michael Floyd (People seem to be having him in a tier, or 2, below Julio/Blackmon/Baldwin when I don't think this should be the case [especially behind Baldwin]. Floyd wins jump balls with ease, catches the balls with his hands, and is very strong. He's an exceptional run blocker also, and he does all the little things right such that I think he'll be plugged into the starting lineup right away after being drafted. Guy just needs to get a 40 time under 4.6 and I think he'll be great).

I think part of the reason why this is the case is the Floyd's injury history. It scared some people from ranking Best too high coming out of college and I feel the same is starting to happen with Floyd. If he didn't have those concerns he would easily be in the 2nd tier of WRs but if I'm looking to take a WR in the 1st round of a dynasty league, I'd be hesitant to take Floyd over some of these other guys because of his past. That said, I would rank him about equal with Baldwin or possibly above him. He seems like a more complete player than Baldwin who is more raw. Baldwin might have a higher ceiling but also has the bigger bust factor to balance it. On the whole Ryan Williams discussion. Is it even a foregone conclusion that he declares this season to begin with? With the lack of playing time he's received and the fact he hasn't been VT's featured runner, I think there's just as good a chance that he comes back to play college ball next year than there is of him coming out. He could do a lot to improve his draft stock for 2012 because as it sits right now I don't see him making it into the 1st round.

I know people love to talk about Julio's talent but what if he ends up going to a team like the Redskins? I've seen him mocked there in a lot of mock drafts online which concerns me. I've never been a big fan of Washington being able to properly develop players, especially on offence. No real reason why I feel that way either, just what my gut tells me and I would be concerned to spend a 1st round rookie pick on another Redskin WR regardless of how good he looks coming out of college. I would be inclined to move Jones behind Blackmon in my rankings, especially if Blackmon goes to a team like the Chiefs, Rams or Falcons.

If Blackmon goes to the Falcons - watch out. I feel the same way - Blackmon as the #2 WR in the class, J.Jones #3. I think Jones will struggle more than the other two transitioning to the NFL for a few years.

 

[DansRams]

My current 2011 Draft rankings for ppr leagues...bolded are who I would currently see going in the 1st round in a 12 team draft. There are a dozen or so other prospects I am taking a long look at that could move in front of these guys, but we need to see who declares, who steps up in the bowl games and of course combine numbers will move some way up and some down. Have a Merry Christmas

RB

Mark Ingram RB Alabama

Ryan Williams RB Virginia Tech

Mikel Leshoure RB Illinois

Daniel Thomas RB Kansas State

Shane Vereen RB California

DeMarco Murray RB Oklahoma

WR

A.J. Green WR Georgia

Justin Blackmon WR Oklahoma State

Julio Jones WR Alabama

Michael Floyd WR Notre Dame

Jonathon Baldwin WR Pittsburgh

Ryan Broyles WR Oklahoma

Greg Little WR N Carolina

QB

Andrew Luck QB Stanford

Ryan Mallett QB Arkansas

Cam Newton QB Auburn

Jake Locker QB Washington

TE

Kyle Rudolph TE Notre Dame

 

[Cheesedawg]

Cam Newton is more likely to be a first round dynasty pick than Mallett IMO.

Just wait til the hype machine gets going with him.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

For instance, I like Bradford much more than I do Luck. Bradford is on another planet. I believe the difference in those two are clear & distinct. That will be shown in Luck's rookie season if he does, indeed, start. However, Luck is an certainly an interesting prospect & has the potential to be a good NFL QB. Just not as good as advertised.That said, I'll be going over Luck with a fine-tooth comb in the offseason (if he comes out). I could possibly change my mind, but right now, I would temper expectations of greatness.

It's been my experience that most of the people who say this kind of thing about Luck have almost never watched him play. My guess is that you caught the Oregon game and maybe bits and pieces of a few other contests. I could be wrong, but I doubt you'd feel that way if you lived in Pac-10 country and watched him play regularly. I follow the Stanford program pretty closely. I have watched almost every snap of Luck's career. The guy is a prodigy. There's a reason why pretty much every coach in the conference says he's incredible and why the draft pundits are unanimous in lavishing him with praise. He has all of the requisite physical tools to be a top flight NFL QB. What sets him apart is his mind. He reads defenses extremely well and almost inevitably makes the correct decision under pressure. Watching teams try to blitz him has been comical because he just picks them apart. Absolutely surgical in the short and intermediate passing game. Go look at the stats. He has completed at least 70% of his passes for 7 straight games. And this isn't some cupcake gimmick college offense. Stanford runs a complex pro style offense. Luck is legit. Watching highlights isn't enough to get an understanding of what he brings to the table. You have to watch how he manages the game. I don't have the stats handy, but Stanford's offense has been lethal this season. They score on almost every possession and complete an obscene percentage of third downs. That's #12 at work.Is my enthusiasm partially the result of homerism? Perhaps, but go back and read the threads about Toby Gerhart last year. If anything, I was on the skeptical side of the spectrum. Luck is the best Stanford athlete that I have ever seen, including all of the basketball greats (Brevin Knight, Josh Childress, Brook Lopez, etc). The hype is warranted and he will be the automatic slam dunk #1 NFL draft pick whenever he decides to declare.

Not that EBF needs anyone to defend him, but he has been high on Luck for some time. EBF was touting Luck on the boards around late 2009, long before he was on anyones radar.

Luck was on radars way before late 2009.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

None of the RB's impress me that much this year as being Elite at the next level. Ingram is the #1 and even he is a low end RB1 at the next level at best. The next tier of RB's just isn't impressive.

Mikel Leshore has good burst, but looks a bit stiff overall. Daniel Thomas is a slower, less quick Matt Forte(just to compare a taller RB in the league to him) with worse agility.