DYNASTY: 2011 Top 15 Prospects (2 Viewers)

[Time Kibitzer]

How does Leshoure compare to Shonn Greene? Or what is a good comparison?

I think that is a decent comparison. Similar size/speed and both are primarily in between the tackles runners. Leshoure has better hands and I think a little more quickness and wiggle.

Personally, I don't think that comparison is that good. Greene is a smaller guy with less speed, kind of like a bowling ball who just grinds out yards. Leshoure is taller, faster, has sharper cuts, a capable 3rd down back, and is generally more of a home run hitter. Of all the backs in the NFL, the most apt comparison for Leshoure is Arian Foster imo. I'd say Leshoure is a little stiffer in the legs and considerably stiffer in the upper body, but besides that they are quite similar. Though it is unlikely that Leshoure will ever put up numbers like Foster did this season, if Leshoure get's put in an excellent situation like Foster is, I think Leshoure can be a dominant FF force.

 

[shader]

One thing impressive about Cam Newton is that he seems to be much more mentally capable of handling an NFL playbook and reading defenses than Vince Young.

Young went through a long learning curve.

Newton was at Auburn ONE YEAR and looks like he's been playing there for 4. He picked up a fast tempo offense very quick.

He should be double the QB Vince was.

 

[DansRams]

How does Leshoure compare to Shonn Greene? Or what is a good comparison?

I think that is a decent comparison. Similar size/speed and both are primarily in between the tackles runners. Leshoure has better hands and I think a little more quickness and wiggle.

Personally, I don't think that comparison is that good. Greene is a smaller guy with less speed, kind of like a bowling ball who just grinds out yards. Leshoure is taller, faster, has sharper cuts, a capable 3rd down back, and is generally more of a home run hitter. Of all the backs in the NFL, the most apt comparison for Leshoure is Arian Foster imo. I'd say Leshoure is a little stiffer in the legs and considerably stiffer in the upper body, but besides that they are quite similar. Though it is unlikely that Leshoure will ever put up numbers like Foster did this season, if Leshoure get's put in an excellent situation like Foster is, I think Leshoure can be a dominant FF force.

...I agree woth your post more than I agree with my own

 

[EBF]

I wouldn't say Leshoure has smoother cuts than Greene. Not many do. He's faster and that's probably the only area where I'd give him an advantage.

I described him as 75% Mendenhall and 25% Mike Bush at the start of the season. He's a big guy with good speed, but not the best footwork/hips. I think he's a 2nd-4th round talent.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

I wouldn't say Leshoure has smoother cuts than Greene. Not many do. He's faster and that's probably the only area where I'd give him an advantage. I described him as 75% Mendenhall and 25% Mike Bush at the start of the season. He's a big guy with good speed, but not the best footwork/hips. I think he's a 2nd-4th round talent.

Smooth cuts and sharp cuts are two distinct things, and I didn't say anything about smooth cuts. I'd agree Greene has better smooth cuts (subtle changes in direction that he does while continuing to move forward), whereas Leshoure has better sharp cuts (ability to change direction on a dime, although often times it requires sideways movement or a short stop in movement altogether). To say the only advantage Leshoure has over Greene is speed is simply incorrect imo. For one, Leshoure is light years ahead of Greene in terms of being a 3rd down back. His sharp cuts, hand catching ability, and good size for blocking all lends itself to him being a more than capable 3rd down back, whereas Greene can't catch, and can't run anything but the simplest of routes. Besides having more long speed, I'd also say that Leshoure is quicker/has more burst than Greene, which is one of the most important characteristics for a RB to have.The Mendenhall/Bush comparison is OK (though it's somewhat hard to comprehend what exactly is entailed in the 75%/25%), but because Leshoure is more of a one cut-and-go RB, I like the Arian Foster comparison more myself.

 

[GreatLakesMike]

How does Leshoure compare to Shonn Greene? Or what is a good comparison?

I think that is a decent comparison. Similar size/speed and both are primarily in between the tackles runners. Leshoure has better hands and I think a little more quickness and wiggle.

Personally, I don't think that comparison is that good. Greene is a smaller guy with less speed, kind of like a bowling ball who just grinds out yards. Leshoure is taller, faster, has sharper cuts, a capable 3rd down back, and is generally more of a home run hitter. Of all the backs in the NFL, the most apt comparison for Leshoure is Arian Foster imo. I'd say Leshoure is a little stiffer in the legs and considerably stiffer in the upper body, but besides that they are quite similar. Though it is unlikely that Leshoure will ever put up numbers like Foster did this season, if Leshoure get's put in an excellent situation like Foster is, I think Leshoure can be a dominant FF force.

LeShoure doesn't have near the cut-back ability and burst that Foster does.

 

[FUBAR]

If anyone wants to see the next great small school QB, Delaware is playing Eastern Washington tonight. Devlin is a future stud, not better than Flacco but he looks pretty solid.

 

[mcintyre1]

In regard to Leshoure, I've only watched some highlights on him, but he seems like a big of an enigma to me. On one play he'll show what looks like excellent deep speed, on the next, he gets run down by defenders in the open field. Did he suffer from any injuries that he played through this last year? From the limited tape I've seen of him, I don't really seem him as a starter in the NFL.

 

[mcintyre1]

I was in the middle of editing together a highlight tape of every Roy Helu Jr Carry/reception that I have on my PC when Movie Maker ate my work (I'm an idiot for having not saved it, but I'd only put in about an hour of work). Would there be any interest in such a tape? I'm not too keen on digging in again if no one will even watch it. There are exactly zero Helu Jr 2010 highlight films on the net, from what I can see, so I guess it'd be the first one of his Senior season (and best season yet).

 

[DenverBroncos]

If anyone wants to see the next great small school QB, Delaware is playing Eastern Washington tonight. Devlin is a future stud, not better than Flacco but he looks pretty solid.

Care to retract?

 

[Time Kibitzer]

How does Leshoure compare to Shonn Greene? Or what is a good comparison?

I think that is a decent comparison. Similar size/speed and both are primarily in between the tackles runners. Leshoure has better hands and I think a little more quickness and wiggle.

Personally, I don't think that comparison is that good. Greene is a smaller guy with less speed, kind of like a bowling ball who just grinds out yards. Leshoure is taller, faster, has sharper cuts, a capable 3rd down back, and is generally more of a home run hitter. Of all the backs in the NFL, the most apt comparison for Leshoure is Arian Foster imo. I'd say Leshoure is a little stiffer in the legs and considerably stiffer in the upper body, but besides that they are quite similar. Though it is unlikely that Leshoure will ever put up numbers like Foster did this season, if Leshoure get's put in an excellent situation like Foster is, I think Leshoure can be a dominant FF force.

LeShoure doesn't have near the cut-back ability and burst that Foster does.

I 100% disagree.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

I was in the middle of editing together a highlight tape of every Roy Helu Jr Carry/reception that I have on my PC when Movie Maker ate my work (I'm an idiot for having not saved it, but I'd only put in about an hour of work). Would there be any interest in such a tape? I'm not too keen on digging in again if no one will even watch it. There are exactly zero Helu Jr 2010 highlight films on the net, from what I can see, so I guess it'd be the first one of his Senior season (and best season yet).

I'd personally be interested. I've looked for highlight videos of his a few times and never found anything.

 

[moderated]

I was in the middle of editing together a highlight tape of every Roy Helu.

 

[SproutDaddy]

One thing impressive about Cam Newton is that he seems to be much more mentally capable of handling an NFL playbook and reading defenses than Vince Young.Young went through a long learning curve.Newton was at Auburn ONE YEAR and looks like he's been playing there for 4. He picked up a fast tempo offense very quick.He should be double the QB Vince was.

How has he shown this? He hasn't done anything that Vince hasn't. He's hasn't won the title game yet. Did you forget he went to U of Florida? Only playing 1 year at Auburn doesn't really show me anything amazing about the guy. I don't see him any better of prospect than Young at this point.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

If anyone wants to see the next great small school QB, Delaware is playing Eastern Washington tonight. Devlin is a future stud, not better than Flacco but he looks pretty solid.

Care to retract?

Retract what?

 

[DenverBroncos]

If anyone wants to see the next great small school QB, Delaware is playing Eastern Washington tonight. Devlin is a future stud, not better than Flacco but he looks pretty solid.

Care to retract?

Retract what?

Devlin was awful in the FCS championship game. He is a late round developmental backup at best.

 

[BigTex]

John Clay has declared for the draft: http://host.madison.com/sports/college/foo...1cc4c03286.html

Ryan Mallett has declared for the draft: http://www.swtimes.com/multimedia/photos/s...1cc4c03286.html

Darren Evans has declared for the draft: http://www2.timesdispatch.com/sports/colle...raft-ar-758438/

I'm really surprise Evans has declared.

 

[mcintyre1]

I was in the middle of editing together a highlight tape of every Roy Helu.

?Is there a reason you misquoted me and laughed about it, or just general dickery?

 

[FUBAR]

If anyone wants to see the next great small school QB, Delaware is playing Eastern Washington tonight. Devlin is a future stud, not better than Flacco but he looks pretty solid.

Care to retract?

Retract what?

Devlin was awful in the FCS championship game. He is a late round developmental backup at best.

nope. He didn't play well but he's no lower than a 3rd round pick, walterfootball has him to the Bills as #34

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I don't see how anyone's able to make comparisons without knowing his actual size and speed. 6'1", 225 and 4.6 is a lot different than 5'11", 235 and 4.50.

If he's 72.0", 230 and 4.56, which is what NFL Draft Scout lists him at, I think he compares really well to Shaun Alexander.

 

[domvin]

How does Leshoure compare to Shonn Greene? Or what is a good comparison?

Leshoure to me looks like he is quicker than Greene, with more wiggle in his hips. He has some power to him as well. More shifty. Greene runs a little more stiff.The Fresno St game I just watched, and charted Leshoure. He was open often on dumpoffs, and checkdowns, but Cheelhaase never threw him a single ball. I'll be anxious to see his hands at the combine, because I think this kid has a lot to offer.Willingness to run inside, and not impatient to take everything outside. 3 negative runs, although 2 of them were not his fault.Good job of keeping his legs churning on contact, and willingness to play physical. Does not allow defenders to take clean shots on him either.

 

[MAC_32]

I think Pat Devlin is this classes best QB prospect. I like Devlin, but that is more of an indictment of the rest of the class.

Teams on the hunt for QB's need to go the trade route this offseason, boy am I glad we drafted Colt. We might not get Green, but this WR heavy class is just what the Browns need. I think we take 2 in our first 3 picks. I doubt I'll be upset with either unless it's Broyles. Having difficulty finding warts with the other who I expect in the top 10.

 

[DansRams]

The No Offseason Big Board

Julio Jones WR Alabama

A.J. Green WR Georgia

Justin Blackmon WR Oklahoma State

Mark Ingram RB Alabama

Jonathon Baldwin WR Pittsburgh

Ryan Williams RB Virginia Tech

Daniel Thomas RB Kansas State

DeMarco Murray RB Oklahoma

Torrey Smith WR Ohio St

DeVier Posey WR Ohio St

Michael Floyd WR Notre Dame

Kendall Hunter RB Oklahoma St

LaMichael James RB Oregon

Noel Devine RB W Virginia

Evan Royster RB Penn St

I can see tons of holes in this...Where is Leshoure? QB's? Posey and Smith in front of Floyd. Always nice to see a different perspective though.

 

[onionsack]

I think Pat Devlin is this classes best QB prospect. I like Devlin, but that is more of an indictment of the rest of the class.

Teams on the hunt for QB's need to go the trade route this offseason, boy am I glad we drafted Colt. We might not get Green, but this WR heavy class is just what the Browns need. I think we take 2 in our first 3 picks. I doubt I'll be upset with either unless it's Broyles. Having difficulty finding warts with the other who I expect in the top 10.

It won't be Broyles. He's returning to Oklahoma for his senior season.

 

[FUBAR]

I think Pat Devlin is this classes best QB prospect. I like Devlin, but that is more of an indictment of the rest of the class. Teams on the hunt for QB's need to go the trade route this offseason, boy am I glad we drafted Colt. We might not get Green, but this WR heavy class is just what the Browns need. I think we take 2 in our first 3 picks. I doubt I'll be upset with either unless it's Broyles. Having difficulty finding warts with the other who I expect in the top 10.

If Devlin is lucky enough to be drafted by a team that can develop him, he certainly has the potential to be the best in this class. But right now, I'll take Gabbert.FWIW, I get the distinct feeling I'll be drafting either Gabbert or Devlin in all my dynasty leagues, depending on what picks I have (late 1st for Gabbert, mid-late 2nd for Devlin).

 

[tdmills]

Did Dion Lewis RB Pitt declare?

 

[BeTheMatch]

Did Dion Lewis RB Pitt declare?

I found a link saying he was expected to declare, but nothing official that came up on my quick search.

 

[MAC_32]

I think Pat Devlin is this classes best QB prospect. I like Devlin, but that is more of an indictment of the rest of the class. Teams on the hunt for QB's need to go the trade route this offseason, boy am I glad we drafted Colt. We might not get Green, but this WR heavy class is just what the Browns need. I think we take 2 in our first 3 picks. I doubt I'll be upset with either unless it's Broyles. Having difficulty finding warts with the other who I expect in the top 10.

If Devlin is lucky enough to be drafted by a team that can develop him, he certainly has the potential to be the best in this class. But right now, I'll take Gabbert.FWIW, I get the distinct feeling I'll be drafting either Gabbert or Devlin in all my dynasty leagues, depending on what picks I have (late 1st for Gabbert, mid-late 2nd for Devlin).

Gabbert's a backup at best. He doesn't read the field and struggles against any semblance of competition when he doesn't have a #1 to get tunnel vision for.

 

[MAC_32]

I think Pat Devlin is this classes best QB prospect. I like Devlin, but that is more of an indictment of the rest of the class.

Teams on the hunt for QB's need to go the trade route this offseason, boy am I glad we drafted Colt. We might not get Green, but this WR heavy class is just what the Browns need. I think we take 2 in our first 3 picks. I doubt I'll be upset with either unless it's Broyles. Having difficulty finding warts with the other who I expect in the top 10.

It won't be Broyles. He's returning to Oklahoma for his senior season.

Good, I didn't want to have to worry about him.

 

[BeTheMatch]

I think Pat Devlin is this classes best QB prospect. I like Devlin, but that is more of an indictment of the rest of the class.

Teams on the hunt for QB's need to go the trade route this offseason, boy am I glad we drafted Colt. We might not get Green, but this WR heavy class is just what the Browns need. I think we take 2 in our first 3 picks. I doubt I'll be upset with either unless it's Broyles. Having difficulty finding warts with the other who I expect in the top 10.

It won't be Broyles. He's returning to Oklahoma for his senior season.

Good, I didn't want to have to worry about him.

If Holmgren ends up coaching/calling the plays, a slot WR like Broyles could be perfect for the Bobby Engram role.

 

[MAC_32]

I think Pat Devlin is this classes best QB prospect. I like Devlin, but that is more of an indictment of the rest of the class.

Teams on the hunt for QB's need to go the trade route this offseason, boy am I glad we drafted Colt. We might not get Green, but this WR heavy class is just what the Browns need. I think we take 2 in our first 3 picks. I doubt I'll be upset with either unless it's Broyles. Having difficulty finding warts with the other who I expect in the top 10.

It won't be Broyles. He's returning to Oklahoma for his senior season.

Good, I didn't want to have to worry about him.

If Holmgren ends up coaching/calling the plays, a slot WR like Broyles could be perfect for the Bobby Engram role.

Slot guys aren't hard to find, play makers are. We need play makers. Broyles isn't one.

 

[FUBAR]

I think Pat Devlin is this classes best QB prospect. I like Devlin, but that is more of an indictment of the rest of the class. Teams on the hunt for QB's need to go the trade route this offseason, boy am I glad we drafted Colt. We might not get Green, but this WR heavy class is just what the Browns need. I think we take 2 in our first 3 picks. I doubt I'll be upset with either unless it's Broyles. Having difficulty finding warts with the other who I expect in the top 10.

If Devlin is lucky enough to be drafted by a team that can develop him, he certainly has the potential to be the best in this class. But right now, I'll take Gabbert.FWIW, I get the distinct feeling I'll be drafting either Gabbert or Devlin in all my dynasty leagues, depending on what picks I have (late 1st for Gabbert, mid-late 2nd for Devlin).

Gabbert's a backup at best. He doesn't read the field and struggles against any semblance of competition when he doesn't have a #1 to get tunnel vision for.

He has to improve seeing the whole field, but I disagree on the rest. He throws too many INTs but a lot of that is attributable to forcing things. He played well in most of his big games and is a leader. Like most young QBs, he'll need a good coach but he has all the physical tools and is a pretty bright kid. I'd take him in Tennessee in a heartbeat. We'll probably get Mallett instead and watch Gabbert flourish in San Fran.

 

[Rodeojones]

Did Dion Lewis RB Pitt declare?

I found a link saying he was expected to declare, but nothing official that came up on my quick search.

Found this...

According to the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, and citing multiple unnamed sources, Lewis is expected to announce at some point next week that he will give up his final two years of eligibility and enter the draft. Sources told the paper that an announcement will occur barring a last-minute change of heart.

http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2...-bolt-for-pros/

 

[Rodeojones]

I was in the middle of editing together a highlight tape of every Roy Helu Jr Carry/reception that I have on my PC when Movie Maker ate my work (I'm an idiot for having not saved it, but I'd only put in about an hour of work). Would there be any interest in such a tape? I'm not too keen on digging in again if no one will even watch it. There are exactly zero Helu Jr 2010 highlight films on the net, from what I can see, so I guess it'd be the first one of his Senior season (and best season yet).

I would be interested.

 

[EBF]

John Clay has declared for the draft: http://host.madison.com/sports/college/foo...1cc4c03286.html

Ryan Mallett has declared for the draft: http://www.swtimes.com/multimedia/photos/s...1cc4c03286.html

Darren Evans has declared for the draft: http://www2.timesdispatch.com/sports/colle...raft-ar-758438/

I'm really surprise Evans has declared.

Really don't like Clay as a big pro prospect. He's just a big tub of goo. Evans has some kind of pressing financial situation that forced his hand. I think he's married with a kid or something like that.

 

[DansRams]

Dion Lewis is rumored to be coming out and in his last two games, including today, he has looked more like his 2009 form....

 

[EBF]

Dion Lewis is rumored to be coming out and in his last two games, including today, he has looked more like his 2009 form....

He would probably be my #2 RB if he declares and tests out reasonably well at the combine. He is a lot like Ray Rice. Jacquizz Rodgers has some similar qualities, but Lewis brings more thump.

 

[DansRams]

Dion Lewis is rumored to be coming out and in his last two games, including today, he has looked more like his 2009 form....

He would probably be my #2 RB if he declares and tests out reasonably well at the combine. He is a lot like Ray Rice. Jacquizz Rodgers has some similar qualities, but Lewis brings more thump.

For me he would be #4 behind Ingram, Williams, Leshoure (assuming the 2nd 2 come out). With a strong combine he could move up.

 

[Concept Coop]

Dion Lewis is rumored to be coming out and in his last two games, including today, he has looked more like his 2009 form....

He would probably be my #2 RB if he declares and tests out reasonably well at the combine. He is a lot like Ray Rice. Jacquizz Rodgers has some similar qualities, but Lewis brings more thump.

I like him. But I don't think he will be a 3 down back in the NFL. He doesn't have the lower body that guys like MJD and Ray Rice do. I don't think he is a first round dynasty pick.

 

[EBF]

I disagree. He's built similar to Rice. Short, but very stocky. I bet he weighs 200+.

 

[DansRams]

Lewis is the same height as Rice, but Rice has at least 12 lbs on him. I think he could carry another 6-8 lbs. He doesn't need to be Rice anyways. If he becomes a mid to low RB2 he adds nice depth to this draft.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

If anyone wants to see the next great small school QB, Delaware is playing Eastern Washington tonight. Devlin is a future stud, not better than Flacco but he looks pretty solid.

Care to retract?

Retract what?

Devlin was awful in the FCS championship game. He is a late round developmental backup at best.

One game is a great way to judge a player

 

[JohnnyU]

Dion Lewis is rumored to be coming out and in his last two games, including today, he has looked more like his 2009 form....

He would probably be my #2 RB if he declares and tests out reasonably well at the combine. He is a lot like Ray Rice. Jacquizz Rodgers has some similar qualities, but Lewis brings more thump.

I like him. But I don't think he will be a 3 down back in the NFL. He doesn't have the lower body that guys like MJD and Ray Rice do. I don't think he is a first round dynasty pick.

I watched the game today and Lewis seems to like running between the tackles. That's a good sign.

 

[BeTheMatch]

I think Pat Devlin is this classes best QB prospect. I like Devlin, but that is more of an indictment of the rest of the class.

Teams on the hunt for QB's need to go the trade route this offseason, boy am I glad we drafted Colt. We might not get Green, but this WR heavy class is just what the Browns need. I think we take 2 in our first 3 picks. I doubt I'll be upset with either unless it's Broyles. Having difficulty finding warts with the other who I expect in the top 10.

It won't be Broyles. He's returning to Oklahoma for his senior season.

Good, I didn't want to have to worry about him.

If Holmgren ends up coaching/calling the plays, a slot WR like Broyles could be perfect for the Bobby Engram role.

Slot guys aren't hard to find, play makers are. We need play makers. Broyles isn't one.

Well, I didn't mean he should take him in the first round or something. But guys like that can be valuable to both NFL and fantasy teams.

 

[Steed]

Lewis is the same height as Rice, but Rice has at least 12 lbs on him. I think he could carry another 6-8 lbs. He doesn't need to be Rice anyways. If he becomes a mid to low RB2 he adds nice depth to this draft.

Ray Rice was 5'8" 199 lbs at the Combine. We'll see how Dion measures up but I suspect he'll be very close.

 

[EBF]

Lewis is the same height as Rice, but Rice has at least 12 lbs on him. I think he could carry another 6-8 lbs. He doesn't need to be Rice anyways. If he becomes a mid to low RB2 he adds nice depth to this draft.

Ray Rice was 5'8" 199 lbs at the Combine. We'll see how Dion measures up but I suspect he'll be very close.

Agreed. From the moment I saw Lewis at UConn I thought, "Ray Rice."

 

[DansRams]

Lewis is the same height as Rice, but Rice has at least 12 lbs on him. I think he could carry another 6-8 lbs. He doesn't need to be Rice anyways. If he becomes a mid to low RB2 he adds nice depth to this draft.

Ray Rice was 5'8" 199 lbs at the Combine. We'll see how Dion measures up but I suspect he'll be very close.

My point is/was that today's successful Rice is 212. If Dion can add 13-15 pounds and maintain his quickness then look out.

 

[Rodeojones]

Joe Schad via Twitter

Hearing OSU WR Justin Blackmon is leaning toward staying in school.

http://twitter.com/#!/schadjoe

 

[bushdocda]

Devlin talk of going in the 3rd round blows my mind.

 

[J-Dawg]

Joe Schad via Twitter

Hearing OSU WR Justin Blackmon is leaning toward staying in school.

http://twitter.com/#!/schadjoe

NOOO!!!!! This would be horrible news if true.