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DYNASTY: 2011 Top 15 Prospects (1 Viewer)
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Personally, I don't think that comparison is that good. Greene is a smaller guy with less speed, kind of like a bowling ball who just grinds out yards. Leshoure is taller, faster, has sharper cuts, a capable 3rd down back, and is generally more of a home run hitter.
I wouldn't trade Greene for Leshoure and the 1.5. I think ML runs stiff. Are you comparing how he runs in college to how Greene runs in the pros? If you compare college tape you take Greene every time.
I still hope to draft Leshoure in the 1st but like the tree huggers I go Greene.
I wouldn't trade Greene for Leshoure and the 1.5. I think ML runs stiff. Are you comparing how he runs in college to how Greene runs in the pros? If you compare college tape you take Greene every time.
I still hope to draft Leshoure in the 1st but like the tree huggers I go Greene.
I understand why you say, " If you compare college tape you take Greene every time". IMO that is only if you look at running ability between the tackle....Leshoure is better outside and the passing game..and I don't think the difference inside, is much. In the right situation (NE, GB, Wash, etc) he very well could outscore Greene in FF....especially in PPR.
ON the PPR I can I agree with you but it comes down to th fact that after watching him play I think he is a backup in the NFL who may never be the guy. I think Greene will be the guy in the NFL. So I take a guy that I think is going to be a good starter and FF over a guy that I do not think will be a starter in the NFL even if he can catch the ball.
Leshoure can and will be a starter in the NFL.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
He would probably be my #2 RB if he declares and tests out reasonably well at the combine. He is a lot like Ray Rice. Jacquizz Rodgers has some similar qualities, but Lewis brings more thump.Dion Lewis is rumored to be coming out and in his last two games, including today, he has looked more like his 2009 form....
Agreed, not sure if I'd put him ahead of Williams (if he declares) but it would be close. I'm surprised he's coming out, I didn't see this one coming.If Williams declares all of a sudden this draft doesn't look quite as bleak to me for RBs -- Ingram, Williams, Lewis, Leshoure.He would probably be my #2 RB if he declares and tests out reasonably well at the combine. He is a lot like Ray Rice. Jacquizz Rodgers has some similar qualities, but Lewis brings more thump.Dion Lewis is rumored to be coming out and in his last two games, including today, he has looked more like his 2009 form....
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Paul Zeise of the Post-Gazette reports that Lewis is likely NFL-bound.
.http://www.cardiachill.com/2011/1/8/192254...o-the-nfl-draft
If Williams declares all of a sudden this draft doesn't look quite as bleak to me for RBs -- Ingram, Williams, Lewis, Leshoure.He would probably be my #2 RB if he declares and tests out reasonably well at the combine. He is a lot like Ray Rice. Jacquizz Rodgers has some similar qualities, but Lewis brings more thump.Dion Lewis is rumored to be coming out and in his last two games, including today, he has looked more like his 2009 form....
Agreed, not sure if I'd put him ahead of Williams (if he declares) but it would be close. I'm surprised he's coming out, I didn't see this one coming.
Completely agree. Add in Vereen, Hunter, Todman, Murray....and suddenly you have a very deep class...not spectacular but deep.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Don't forget Clay.If Williams declares all of a sudden this draft doesn't look quite as bleak to me for RBs -- Ingram, Williams, Lewis, Leshoure.He would probably be my #2 RB if he declares and tests out reasonably well at the combine. He is a lot like Ray Rice. Jacquizz Rodgers has some similar qualities, but Lewis brings more thump.Dion Lewis is rumored to be coming out and in his last two games, including today, he has looked more like his 2009 form....Agreed, not sure if I'd put him ahead of Williams (if he declares) but it would be close. I'm surprised he's coming out, I didn't see this one coming.
The Real Hipster Doofus
Footballguy
Clay sucksDon't forget Clay.If Williams declares all of a sudden this draft doesn't look quite as bleak to me for RBs -- Ingram, Williams, Lewis, Leshoure.
GreatLakesMike
Footballguy
He would probably be my #2 RB if he declares and tests out reasonably well at the combine. He is a lot like Ray Rice. Jacquizz Rodgers has some similar qualities, but Lewis brings more thump.Dion Lewis is rumored to be coming out and in his last two games, including today, he has looked more like his 2009 form....
I hope this is true. I've just started taking a look at the prospects, and other than Ingram, the only back I'm even luke warm about is Thomas. Lewis would certainly become my #2 if he declares.ETA: Add Ryan Williams to the luke warm category. Although, I suspect that the hype train will result in Williams being drafted earlier than I'm comfortable with.
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Time Kibitzer
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DansRams said:
Although I agree that Leshoure is kind of stiff; his combination of size, quickness, and lateral agility more than makes up for it. I have little doubt that Leshoure will be a starter in the NFL.
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BallparkFrank
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Balco
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I traded my first rounder this year, so I am hoping more choose to stay!I read somewhere that Floyd was given a 3rd round grade? That is ridiculous, IMO. But if that is the case, I absolutely think he can improve his stock coming back. Floyd was my # 2 behind AJ Green.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
""Heck yeah I'm leaving. It can only get worse. They had me running a lot of deep routes [this year] and yards were hard to come by. I barely ran intermediate routes; it felt like they were purposely trying to disrupt my draft stock."
- Jon Baldwin
"Yeah, you suck", well.....maybe you suck....well, maybe just your qb sucked......:crawlsupinfetalpositionandsucksthumbnow:
- JohnnyU
- Jon Baldwin
"Yeah, you suck", well.....maybe you suck....well, maybe just your qb sucked......:crawlsupinfetalpositionandsucksthumbnow:
- JohnnyU
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He will be a very good pro. The kid is 6'5 230+. If he runs a 4.4 40 he is a 1st round pick. I have seen you post that he catches with his body...I'm not sure what you are watching. Look at this
The kid was seriously held back by a terrible QB....If he lands in NE or SD...watch out
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I was just referring to the one catch yesterday and wasn't basing my entire opinon of Baldwin on that statement. I do think he will have trouble with separation at the next level because he doesn't use his hands well at the line and he doesn't run great routes from what I read.Edited to add: He won't run a 4.4 40.
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pghrob
Footballguy
Nothwithstanding Baldwin's lackluster performance in the alphabet soup bowl the Panthers played in yesterday, the quote that JohnnyU posted above was sort of retracted by a later apologetic Baldwin.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10342/1109134-100.stm
Pitt's Baldwin backs off draft declarationWednesday, December 08, 2010By Paul Zeise, Pittsburgh Post-GazettePitt junior receiver Jon Baldwin told Chris Steuber of NFLDraftScout.com via text message yesterday that he was going to declare for the NFL draft but Baldwin and his family have since backed away from the statements.
Baldwin's father, Jeff Baldwin, told the Post-Gazette earlier today that his son was misquoted and hasn't declared himself eligible for the draft.
"There is no truth to that," Jeff Baldwin said today. "He was just misquoted, that's all, he was misquoted. He still has a bowl game to play, he still has a few weeks of practice and he hasn't decided what he is going to do. No decision has been made."
Then a little later, Jon Baldwin, issued the following statement through the university's sports media relation's office.
"Yesterday, I received a text message from a reporter at a time when I was very emotional," Baldwin said in the statement. "Because of everything that happened, I wasn't using the best judgment and am very sorry about the things that were printed. I love my teammates and coaches at Pitt. I have not made a final decision on the NFL Draft. My only focus is on my commitment to my team and preparing to win our bowl game next month."
It would not be a surprise if Baldwin does declare early for the NFL draft because he has made it fairly clear to some of his teammates and others around the program that he was going to forgo his senior season and head to the NFL.
However, the exchange of text messages between Baldwin and Steuber apparently took place in the aftermath of the news that Dave Wannstedt was out as Pitt's head coach and Baldwin took some shots at both quarterback Tino Sunseri and offensive coordinator Frank Cignetti on his way out the door.
Here is what Steuber wrote about the exchange he had with Baldwin:
"Reached through text message Tuesday evening and asked if it was safe to say he would forego his senior year with Wannstedt stepping down, Baldwin responded, "No, it's not safe to say that. It doesn't change my quarterback!"
At first, it sounded as if Baldwin was non-committal on his future, but when asked, "Why would you stay [for your senior season] when you have no chemistry with QB Tino Sunseri, a new coach/system taking over next season and possibly hurt your draft stock for the 2012 draft, Baldwin clarified, "Oh, I misunderstood you ... Heck yeah I'm leaving. It can only get worse. They had me running a lot of deep routes [this year] and yards were hard to come by. I barely ran intermediate routes; it felt like they were purposely trying to disrupt my draft stock."
Baldwin, who is 6-feet-5, 230 pounds, is the No. 6 rated receiver according to NFLDraftScout.com.
He was not immediately available for comment and a spokesman for Pitt said he is not likely going to be made available to comment today.
Baldwin is one of several Pitt players who went high tech to express their feelings about Wannstedt's ouster as several players used Twitter and Facebook to express their disappointment.
Senior offensive lineman Jason Pinkston sent this Twitter message out shortly after he heard the news that Wannstedt was gone and it captured the general sentiment of just about all of the players who went the social networking site route to voice their frustrations.
Pinkston wrote, "These people don't know they made the biggest mistake ever letting OUR coach go. He's more than just a coach, he's a father to 96 kids on the team. We came from many different backgrounds. Some of us wouldn't be in college or have the chance to experience college football. We have players on our team who have been turned down at other D1 schools and he took them in and made them family. Thank you coach for everything. You've done so much for me and my family. I would never of had this chance if it weren't for you. I know my mother greatly appreciates what you have done for us. He didn't deserve this from a guy who only came and switched us from ADIDAS to NIKE. Thank you, God bless, hail to Pitt and coach "Wann" and his family."
Paul Zeise: pzeise@post-gazette.com or 412-263-1720
JohnnyU
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Don't you think he seems a little stiff? Maybe he adds some weight and plays TE.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Yes, and I tried to not even bring that into the discussion, but you're right. He's a diva wannabee and has maturity issues.
FUBAR
Footballguy
The little I know about him makes me wonder how he'll do in the shuttle and agility drills more so than the 40.
Watch 3:11 on...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHjhud9Uwq0...3 of the 4 playes are him catchng the ball (1st one is not easy to see).......doesn't look stiff to me.
eaglesfan7
Footballguy
I agree about Baldwin looking stiff. He doesn't seem to run all that well and doesn't have elite speed. With added weight he would be a tight end so maybe his size helps him for the nfl with prolonging his career but not with his draft stock. The lack of speed will drop him a few slots.
BallparkFrank
Footballguy
I know many are down on the kid due to his hamstring enduced bad season, but I think he is a stud and a 1st round fantasy rookie pick
JohnnyU
Footballguy
He has good size and athleicism. A lot of athletic TEs this year with Lance Kendricks and DJ Williams. Kyle Rudolph could still be the first TE selected.Edited to not imply that he's necessarily better than Kendricks or Williams. It's hard to judge these guys IMO. It seems the idea of a good TE these days is 6'4" - 6'6" 247-255?
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King of the Jungle
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I have seen Rudolph play a few times and was not blown away. He seemed slow and limited athleticism. Did my eye miss something?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Isn't Gronkowski of the same mold? Hernandez the more athletic TE and Gronk the more well rounded. The same may be true of Rudolph.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Good point, didn't realize Rudolph was that big (6'6" 265).
I'm very high on Dion Lewis like EBF. I watched him play in 2009 quite a few times and came away impressed each time. I think his time to go pro is now and he could go a lot higher than people think. It's the same story every year - a smaller, stocky back like him enters the draft, people downgrade him because of his size and he ends up being a steal for some team (see Rice, Ray). I'm not saying Lewis is on the same level talent-wise, but he has a chance to be a very capable back in the NFL. I'll be taking a good look at him in all of my rookie drafts.
Balco
Footballguy
I agree. Ingram is # 1 for me, and Dion Lewis is # 2.
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
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lynx4ben
Footballguy
Wow that's quick. Is that normal or is it because of no CBA? Combine is in March, correct?
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That is normal and yes it is in March, draft in April.
Jaquizz Rodgers will announce today he is coming out this year. This draft continues to get deeper at the RB position. At 5'7 191 (he doesn't look that big), Rodgers only needs to add 6-7 more pounds to his 5'7 frame to compare size wise to many recent productive NFL Rb's.
Rotoworld take...
Oregon State RB Jacquizz Rodgers will forgo his senior season as a Beaver and enter the 2011 NFL draft.
A 5'7/191-pound sparkplug, Rodgers racked up 1,184 yards on 256 carries as a junior, good for a 4.63 YPC average. He also caught 151 passes in his career. Rodgers' production dropped across the board from 2009 to 2010, however, and he projects as a Darren Sproles-type third-down back in the pros. We can't imagine the diminutive runner going before the fourth round.
4th round sounds about right...early 2nd round dynasty rookie draft
Oregon State RB Jacquizz Rodgers will forgo his senior season as a Beaver and enter the 2011 NFL draft.
A 5'7/191-pound sparkplug, Rodgers racked up 1,184 yards on 256 carries as a junior, good for a 4.63 YPC average. He also caught 151 passes in his career. Rodgers' production dropped across the board from 2009 to 2010, however, and he projects as a Darren Sproles-type third-down back in the pros. We can't imagine the diminutive runner going before the fourth round.
4th round sounds about right...early 2nd round dynasty rookie draft
Concept Coop
Footballguy
This seems to be implying that Rogers can weigh in at 197-198. I don't see that happening.If Skyler Green can be drafted in the 4th, then Quzz can. That said, I would't be surprised to watch him slip past that either.
