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How's he compare to Devine? I assume Devine will deliver with a 4.3 40 or thereabouts. Rodgers has better hands so fits the 3rd down back role better out of the gates. Should Rodgers go ahead of him both in NFL and dynasty drafts? Assuming no return yards.
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I'm not trying to imply that Quizz does or even could weigh 197-198. His player card says he weigh's 191...I question that. That said...If he does weigh 191, then IMO he needs to add another 6-7 pounds to be anything more than a scatback.
Weight could determine his upside. Even the lightest NFL backs are 195-200 pounds. Anything less than that and you'd have to worry that Quizz might be pigeonholed into a Sproles type of role, which would drastically limit his FF potential.
Different type of back completely. Rodgers is more in the MJD/Rice/Sproles mold. Short backs with stocky builds and deceptive power. Devine is more like a Charles/CJ3/Norwood. Slender with a game predicated entirely on speed and elusiveness. I have them in the same tier. They're both extremely talented, but difficult to project to the NFL because of their unconventional body types.
I've watched just about every snap Lewis has taken in his time at Pitt. I don't believe his tackle breaking abilities are going to be enough for him to be an impact runner in the NFL. He's quick and he's not afraid to mix it up inside, but I think whoever gets him will get a guy capable of contributing, but much more like a Mike Hart type than a Ray Rice type.
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I don't doubt it, but there's a difference between weight room strength and football power. Reggie Bush and Eddie Royal can both bench press a small house, but neither one of them runs with power on the football field. I think the way Devine plays is similar to Chris Johnson/Jamaal Charles whereas I think the way Rodgers plays is similar to Ahmad Bradshaw/Darren Sproles. The problem for me is that I don't think Quizz is as explosive as Sproles or as strong as Rice/MJD/Bradshaw. I'm not quite sure where he fits in at the next level.
Means nothing until after tonight's game IMO.I don't have any source info but I thought it was already announced somewhere that he was going back to school.
Sweet. If Blackmon comes out this is going to be some kind of rookie draft.
Oh I totally agree with your typecasting. Just trying to get a feel for value.
I agree with the receiving part. But I think Devine will time at least 0.2 s better on the 40.McCluster would have a lot less value without the WR eligibility. No way Devine gets that.
I'm wouldn't be so sure. I think Harbaugh would prefer a more prototypical QB who has experience going through progressions and reading the defense than an uber-athletic guy with a strong arm.
Who knows. Without knowing the results of the combine and what teams are going to trade for what picks, trying to prognosticate where a player will end up is nonsensical imo.
It's fun, not nonsensical......lighten up man. I just don't see him as a top 10 pick.
I don't see top 10 talent in Newton but I've been wrong before and I haven't seen enough of him to decide for sure. He just looks like the type of quarterback that will have trouble adjusting to the pro game and reading defenses.
I don't concern myself with silly mock draft scenario's, I deal with serious issues only
Agreed. I saw Harbaugh taking Mallet over Newton or Gabbert if he drafts a QB this year.
Newton/Gabbert are the types of QB that Chan Gailey would love and he tends to thrive with.I agree 100% and pray the Bills do not take Newton, or any other QB with the 3rd pick(Unless Luck changes hs mind)Now AJ Green on the other hand, i wouldnt mind. I have seen a few mocks with Green going to the Panthers, does anyone think a WR really goes 1st?
I doubt it. Harbaugh has said he's bringing his WCO with him - I don't see Newton effective in that offense.
I highly doubt Lewis is top 4. Kiper has him as the 10th best RB in the draft, and everything else I have read suggests 3rd, or "middle rounds." As much as some like him, I don't think they are going to draft a back in the top 8 picks, that went in the 4th round of the NFL draft. I think Thomas is going to be the number 4, with Murray also having a shot.
I think that is right at this point. There are other RB's Thomas, Hunter etc. that could sneak in. Combine results could change this...for example, if D Thomas ran a low 4.5 or high 4.4...he would move way up...not saying he will, just making a point.Of course after that we will find out where these guys get drafted and that could change rankings further.
I'm leaning towards Lewis at #4 because I think he will move up in the draft with a great combine. If he doesn't then I agree with you
Not sure I can put baldwin in the same sentence with Bryant.I think Bryant is a much more explosive athlete.Those things are the reason dez bryant sucks alsoBaldwin will be a stud
Ummm, isn't that what you just did?Not sure I can put baldwin in the same sentence with Bryant.Those things are the reason dez bryant sucks alsoBaldwin will be a stud
I really think people here are kicking Baldwin to the curb a bit too early. If he puts a good combine together, which I think is doable, all of the off the field, immaturity, lack of stats issues will be forgotten. He's a VERY good player that was simply underutilized this season and like many of us, he learned the importance of political correctness (know when to bite your tongue) the hard way.CuteIm actually not kicking Baldwin to the curb. It's more of a compliment to the explosiveness that is Dez Bryant.Ummm, isn't that what you just did?Not sure I can put baldwin in the same sentence with Bryant.Those things are the reason dez bryant sucks alsoBaldwin will be a stud
I don't think many will argue with you that Dez is a better talent than Baldwin and several of the other WR's in this class. I do think several have unjustly dropped Baldwin a bit lower than they should from some of the posts I've read here, though.If the actual draft plays out with say Carolina taking AJ Green, Cleveland taking Julio, Blackmon going to STL, San Diego taking Baldwin and NE selecting Floyd - I think guys like Blackmon, Baldwin and Floyd will of a sudden become a lot more "talented" come dynasty draft day. I don't think that scenario is too far fetched.CuteIm actually not kicking Baldwin to the curb. It's more of a compliment to the explosiveness that is Dez Bryant.Ummm, isn't that what you just did?Not sure I can put baldwin in the same sentence with Bryant.Those things are the reason dez bryant sucks alsoBaldwin will be a stud
I really think people here are kicking Baldwin to the curb a bit too early. If he puts a good combine together, which I think is doable, all of the off the field, immaturity, lack of stats issues will be forgotten. He's a VERY good player that was simply underutilized this season and like many of us, he learned the importance of political correctness (know when to bite your tongue) the hard way.
I have not watched enough tape on Baldwin. the only game I watched Baldwin, was the wvu game. But I will say, Bryant looks much more fluid, explosive, and sudden that Baldwin. Now I need to see if Sunseri was able to throw his way at all in the games I do have DVR'ed.
But very fw wrs are Bryant caliber-and that's a fact.
It is nearly impossible to determine and accurate order without the scoring/lineup specifics. I think people will start considering Green before Ingram, even in some standard scoring formats, closer to the draft. I think Green's numbers are going to be impressive, while Ingrams could leave something to be desired. I would take Lewis off completely.Williams got a 1-2nd round grade form the committee (conservative) and I think that means teams are going to look at what he did last year, which is more impressive than LeShoure, in my mind. So I think Williams will be the #2 RB. In a standard, no flex format, I think I would go something like this:GreenIngramJonesWilliamsBlackmonLeShoureBaldwinThomasNewtonMurrayFloydRudolph
I agree on Lewis. I know people will respond with MJD, but there aren't many guys under 5' 07" that have become significant FF players in the last 10 years.
Mathews, Spiller, Best. And thats not like me, normally i am a shiny new toy type of guy.
Well I think in PPR it comes down to the #2 and #3 guys. Spiller and Best can catch better than anyone in either class. The question is can they ever amount to anything more than Reggie Bush.
Exactly. And not only that, but look at Ray Rice's and MJD's thighs. -they are huge. Lewis' seem proportionate to his small body.
Ingram can be a PPR stud in the same what that an Arian Foster can be. He did a lot of damage out of the backfield at Bama, and I wouldn't be surprised to see that happen in the NFL. I would take Ingram, Williams, and LeShoure. I am not sold on Best or Spiller.
Now AJ Green on the other hand, i wouldnt mind. I have seen a few mocks with Green going to the Panthers, does anyone think a WR really goes 1st?
