Na. Evans moves like a gazelle though. Fast 40 or not, Funchess looks less natural.Xue said:Did you guys feel as strongly about Mike Evans being a TE last year?BigTex said:Jurb, it won't stop. Just let it go. We obviously have the inability to think for ourselves. Hell, I might be a millionaire but I must have won the lottery cause there's no way I'm self-made......it's not worth the time.We've been through basically all of this.What does White's route running have to do with any of this? That's the only new thing in this post. It's a meaningless correlation like many others you've brought up.Can't show me. That's what I thought. Why is he best suited to play TE? What is the specific "matchup" problem that he will create?You keep trying to pigeon hole this conversation into this specific "show me a 6'5", 230" TE as if it's at all relevant to the actual conversation. As was already stated earlier in this debate, if Funchess is to play TE in the NFL he will likely have to gain weight. Ironically, he weighed 235 last year, as Sophomore playing TE. He dropped weight this year in his move to WR. Assuming the listed weights are even accurate of course. So, it's a straw-man your trying to create.That said, there are compatible body types to his based on historical combine results. Just check here.http://nflcombineresults.com/nflcombinedata.php?year=all&pos=TE&college=Show me a 6'5" 230lb TE that is a "nightmare at TE". Why aren't 6'5" 230lb WRs being used as a "nightmare TE" if it's such a great idea?
Most top WRs are already "matchup nightmares". It's a generic narrative. Some of them get moved around, some don't.
Also, some of us have been stating the opinion that Funchess is best suited for TE role in the NFL before many of these media types you like to keep falling back on as an insult. That has been our opinion all along. You conveniently say our opinion is just arguing while your opinion is data, though. Interesting viewpoint to say the least. Especially interesting considering nobody can seem to have a debate with you or disagreement without it turning into this kind of cryptic put downs.
I'm of the opinion that Funchess is best suited for the TE position in the NFL, but not that he's limited to it. I personally feel he is most likely to have success there. He is a tweener athletically and physically. He could be used in either fashion depending on what his team prefers. Again, he would need to add functional weight, say 10 lbs, to make the move to TE. I think he can do that easily. I don't think he can alter his athletic ability which would be fringe for playing on the outside. Therefore, I see the move to TE as wise and easier.
When did I say my opinion is data? Again, great job of slandering me and not being able to read what someone else wrote.
Why and how is he a tweener and Vincent Jackson and Brandon Marshall and Marques Colston aren't?
I highly doubt 10 lbs would make a difference. Funchess needs ***tional strength not weight. You can actually get stronger without gaining muscle. (Look up "neuromuscular pathway")
Funny how people are knocking Funchess' lack of quickness yet Kevin White isn't a special route runner at all. I guess White should move to TE.
P.S. I'm still waiting for you to show me the "push off".
Funchess is much quicker in his routes and runs less upright. How can that be less natural?Na. Evans moves like a gazelle though. Fast 40 or not, Funchess looks less natural.Xue said:Did you guys feel as strongly about Mike Evans being a TE last year?BigTex said:Jurb, it won't stop. Just let it go. We obviously have the inability to think for ourselves. Hell, I might be a millionaire but I must have won the lottery cause there's no way I'm self-made......it's not worth the time.We've been through basically all of this.What does White's route running have to do with any of this? That's the only new thing in this post. It's a meaningless correlation like many others you've brought up.Can't show me. That's what I thought. Why is he best suited to play TE? What is the specific "matchup" problem that he will create?You keep trying to pigeon hole this conversation into this specific "show me a 6'5", 230" TE as if it's at all relevant to the actual conversation. As was already stated earlier in this debate, if Funchess is to play TE in the NFL he will likely have to gain weight. Ironically, he weighed 235 last year, as Sophomore playing TE. He dropped weight this year in his move to WR. Assuming the listed weights are even accurate of course. So, it's a straw-man your trying to create.That said, there are compatible body types to his based on historical combine results. Just check here.http://nflcombineresults.com/nflcombinedata.php?year=all&pos=TE&college=Show me a 6'5" 230lb TE that is a "nightmare at TE". Why aren't 6'5" 230lb WRs being used as a "nightmare TE" if it's such a great idea?
Most top WRs are already "matchup nightmares". It's a generic narrative. Some of them get moved around, some don't.
Also, some of us have been stating the opinion that Funchess is best suited for TE role in the NFL before many of these media types you like to keep falling back on as an insult. That has been our opinion all along. You conveniently say our opinion is just arguing while your opinion is data, though. Interesting viewpoint to say the least. Especially interesting considering nobody can seem to have a debate with you or disagreement without it turning into this kind of cryptic put downs.
I'm of the opinion that Funchess is best suited for the TE position in the NFL, but not that he's limited to it. I personally feel he is most likely to have success there. He is a tweener athletically and physically. He could be used in either fashion depending on what his team prefers. Again, he would need to add functional weight, say 10 lbs, to make the move to TE. I think he can do that easily. I don't think he can alter his athletic ability which would be fringe for playing on the outside. Therefore, I see the move to TE as wise and easier.
When did I say my opinion is data? Again, great job of slandering me and not being able to read what someone else wrote.
Why and how is he a tweener and Vincent Jackson and Brandon Marshall and Marques Colston aren't?
I highly doubt 10 lbs would make a difference. Funchess needs ***tional strength not weight. You can actually get stronger without gaining muscle. (Look up "neuromuscular pathway")
Funny how people are knocking Funchess' lack of quickness yet Kevin White isn't a special route runner at all. I guess White should move to TE.
P.S. I'm still waiting for you to show me the "push off".
We've got different eyes.Funchess is much quicker in his routes and runs less upright. How can that be less natural?Na. Evans moves like a gazelle though. Fast 40 or not, Funchess looks less natural.Xue said:Did you guys feel as strongly about Mike Evans being a TE last year?BigTex said:Jurb, it won't stop. Just let it go. We obviously have the inability to think for ourselves. Hell, I might be a millionaire but I must have won the lottery cause there's no way I'm self-made......it's not worth the time.We've been through basically all of this.What does White's route running have to do with any of this? That's the only new thing in this post. It's a meaningless correlation like many others you've brought up.Can't show me. That's what I thought. Why is he best suited to play TE? What is the specific "matchup" problem that he will create?You keep trying to pigeon hole this conversation into this specific "show me a 6'5", 230" TE as if it's at all relevant to the actual conversation. As was already stated earlier in this debate, if Funchess is to play TE in the NFL he will likely have to gain weight. Ironically, he weighed 235 last year, as Sophomore playing TE. He dropped weight this year in his move to WR. Assuming the listed weights are even accurate of course. So, it's a straw-man your trying to create.That said, there are compatible body types to his based on historical combine results. Just check here.http://nflcombineresults.com/nflcombinedata.php?year=all&pos=TE&college=Show me a 6'5" 230lb TE that is a "nightmare at TE". Why aren't 6'5" 230lb WRs being used as a "nightmare TE" if it's such a great idea?
Most top WRs are already "matchup nightmares". It's a generic narrative. Some of them get moved around, some don't.
Also, some of us have been stating the opinion that Funchess is best suited for TE role in the NFL before many of these media types you like to keep falling back on as an insult. That has been our opinion all along. You conveniently say our opinion is just arguing while your opinion is data, though. Interesting viewpoint to say the least. Especially interesting considering nobody can seem to have a debate with you or disagreement without it turning into this kind of cryptic put downs.
I'm of the opinion that Funchess is best suited for the TE position in the NFL, but not that he's limited to it. I personally feel he is most likely to have success there. He is a tweener athletically and physically. He could be used in either fashion depending on what his team prefers. Again, he would need to add functional weight, say 10 lbs, to make the move to TE. I think he can do that easily. I don't think he can alter his athletic ability which would be fringe for playing on the outside. Therefore, I see the move to TE as wise and easier.
When did I say my opinion is data? Again, great job of slandering me and not being able to read what someone else wrote.
Why and how is he a tweener and Vincent Jackson and Brandon Marshall and Marques Colston aren't?
I highly doubt 10 lbs would make a difference. Funchess needs ***tional strength not weight. You can actually get stronger without gaining muscle. (Look up "neuromuscular pathway")
Funny how people are knocking Funchess' lack of quickness yet Kevin White isn't a special route runner at all. I guess White should move to TE.
P.S. I'm still waiting for you to show me the "push off".
I passed on him twice to grab Gurley and Cooper. I had one more pick, but waited. After he was picked I grabbed Duke Johnson of Auburn.How much do DGB's character concerns affect his ranking (for you)? If he had a spotless past, where would you value him?
Duke Johnson of Auburn?I passed on him twice to grab Gurley and Cooper. I had one more pick, but waited. After he was picked I grabbed Duke Johnson of Auburn.How much do DGB's character concerns affect his ranking (for you)? If he had a spotless past, where would you value him?
Depends, I need a RB so I grabbed Gurley first but he's special so I may have grabbed him anyway but was lucky enough to grab Cooper later.Would anyone take Amari over Gurley in a dynasty league rookie draft if it started today?
He's having an epic season so far.
They call him Duke....The WR.Duke Johnson of Auburn?I passed on him twice to grab Gurley and Cooper. I had one more pick, but waited. After he was picked I grabbed Duke Johnson of Auburn.How much do DGB's character concerns affect his ranking (for you)? If he had a spotless past, where would you value him?
My man still rolling! I will find a way to move up in the Draft to get him.Nebraska's Ameer Abdullah sets school all-purpose yards record:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000416910/article/nebraskas-ameer-abdullah-sets-school-allpurpose-yards-record
you mean Williams?They call him Duke....The WR.Duke Johnson of Auburn?I passed on him twice to grab Gurley and Cooper. I had one more pick, but waited. After he was picked I grabbed Duke Johnson of Auburn.How much do DGB's character concerns affect his ranking (for you)? If he had a spotless past, where would you value him?
Lol, yeah.you mean Williams?They call him Duke....The WR.Duke Johnson of Auburn?I passed on him twice to grab Gurley and Cooper. I had one more pick, but waited. After he was picked I grabbed Duke Johnson of Auburn.How much do DGB's character concerns affect his ranking (for you)? If he had a spotless past, where would you value him?
Why does every post you make have to be combative?XUE, I could care less about Ty. Ty has nothing to do with my view of Funchess. This is my view and there's nothing you can say or post that's going to change my mind so go find someone else to pick a fight with.
The closer we get to the draft more people will express the same view some of us already have.
Tex
So what's your answer? What is your view based on? Parroting mass-media types?
Replace combative with thought-provoking.doowain said:Why does every post you make have to be combative?XUE, I could care less about Ty. Ty has nothing to do with my view of Funchess. This is my view and there's nothing you can say or post that's going to change my mind so go find someone else to pick a fight with.
The closer we get to the draft more people will express the same view some of us already have.
Tex
So what's your answer? What is your view based on? Parroting mass-media types?
They provoke a thought alright. Just not the one you're thinking.Replace combative with thought-provoking.doowain said:Why does every post you make have to be combative?XUE, I could care less about Ty. Ty has nothing to do with my view of Funchess. This is my view and there's nothing you can say or post that's going to change my mind so go find someone else to pick a fight with.
The closer we get to the draft more people will express the same view some of us already have.
Tex
So what's your answer? What is your view based on? Parroting mass-media types?
Or we choose to ignore evidence that doesn't fit our view. When has Mike Evans ever run a route this quick and smooth in college? https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3869/15104290901_240542f330_o.gifWe've got different eyes.Funchess is much quicker in his routes and runs less upright. How can that be less natural?Na. Evans moves like a gazelle though. Fast 40 or not, Funchess looks less natural.Did you guys feel as strongly about Mike Evans being a TE last year?Jurb, it won't stop. Just let it go. We obviously have the inability to think for ourselves. Hell, I might be a millionaire but I must have won the lottery cause there's no way I'm self-made......it's not worth the time.We've been through basically all of this.What does White's route running have to do with any of this? That's the only new thing in this post. It's a meaningless correlation like many others you've brought up.Can't show me. That's what I thought. Why is he best suited to play TE? What is the specific "matchup" problem that he will create?You keep trying to pigeon hole this conversation into this specific "show me a 6'5", 230" TE as if it's at all relevant to the actual conversation. As was already stated earlier in this debate, if Funchess is to play TE in the NFL he will likely have to gain weight. Ironically, he weighed 235 last year, as Sophomore playing TE. He dropped weight this year in his move to WR. Assuming the listed weights are even accurate of course. So, it's a straw-man your trying to create.That said, there are compatible body types to his based on historical combine results. Just check here.http://nflcombineresults.com/nflcombinedata.php?year=all&pos=TE&college=Show me a 6'5" 230lb TE that is a "nightmare at TE". Why aren't 6'5" 230lb WRs being used as a "nightmare TE" if it's such a great idea?
Most top WRs are already "matchup nightmares". It's a generic narrative. Some of them get moved around, some don't.
Also, some of us have been stating the opinion that Funchess is best suited for TE role in the NFL before many of these media types you like to keep falling back on as an insult. That has been our opinion all along. You conveniently say our opinion is just arguing while your opinion is data, though. Interesting viewpoint to say the least. Especially interesting considering nobody can seem to have a debate with you or disagreement without it turning into this kind of cryptic put downs.
I'm of the opinion that Funchess is best suited for the TE position in the NFL, but not that he's limited to it. I personally feel he is most likely to have success there. He is a tweener athletically and physically. He could be used in either fashion depending on what his team prefers. Again, he would need to add functional weight, say 10 lbs, to make the move to TE. I think he can do that easily. I don't think he can alter his athletic ability which would be fringe for playing on the outside. Therefore, I see the move to TE as wise and easier.
When did I say my opinion is data? Again, great job of slandering me and not being able to read what someone else wrote.
Why and how is he a tweener and Vincent Jackson and Brandon Marshall and Marques Colston aren't?
I highly doubt 10 lbs would make a difference. Funchess needs ***tional strength not weight. You can actually get stronger without gaining muscle. (Look up "neuromuscular pathway")
Funny how people are knocking Funchess' lack of quickness yet Kevin White isn't a special route runner at all. I guess White should move to TE.
P.S. I'm still waiting for you to show me the "push off".
Not me. Cooper is one of a number of very good WR prospects over the last 5 years. Gurley is in a class of his own, save perhaps Trent, over that time span. Gurley, if drafted where he's being projected, will be a top 5 dynasty back right away. Cooper will be in the 15-20 (WR) range.Would anyone take Amari over Gurley in a dynasty league rookie draft if it started today?
He's having an epic season so far.
"If La'el Collins is not a top-five draft pick, I'll kiss my own [expletive]," Wilson said, according to foxsports.com.
That would put him somewhere between 6'-1" and 5'-9".
I believe there was a poll back when it was Calvin vs Adrian. I took Calvin Johnson over Adrian Peterson but overwhelmingly it was voted Adrian over Calvin. Of course Cooper is no Calvin but the WR, if he is great, will last longer than the great RB.Not me. Cooper is one of a number of very good WR prospects over the last 5 years. Gurley is in a class of his own, save perhaps Trent, over that time span. Gurley, if drafted where he's being projected, will be a top 5 dynasty back right away. Cooper will be in the 15-20 (WR) range.Would anyone take Amari over Gurley in a dynasty league rookie draft if it started today?
He's having an epic season so far.
I measure duration over baseline at the position level, then compare the advantage across positions. 5 years of RB production > 5 years of WR production.I believe there was a poll back when it was Calvin vs Adrian. I took Calvin Johnson over Adrian Peterson but overwhelmingly it was voted Adrian over Calvin. Of course Cooper is no Calvin but the WR, if he is great, will last longer than the great RB.
Most I see have Gurley and Gordon. The last one I saw was Rob Rang's, which had both in the first.Wasn't the consensus this year that multiple rbs would be taken in the first round? None of the mocks I've seen recently reflect that. What gives?
Agreed. If I could go back in time I'd still take Peterson over Calvin, especially given that the circumstances behind Peterson's early downfall aren't relevant to Gordon vs. Cooper. And, as has been mentioned, Cooper is no Calvin as a prospect. Gurley may be close to Peterson as one.I believe there was a poll back when it was Calvin vs Adrian. I took Calvin Johnson over Adrian Peterson but overwhelmingly it was voted Adrian over Calvin. Of course Cooper is no Calvin but the WR, if he is great, will last longer than the great RB.Not me. Cooper is one of a number of very good WR prospects over the last 5 years. Gurley is in a class of his own, save perhaps Trent, over that time span. Gurley, if drafted where he's being projected, will be a top 5 dynasty back right away. Cooper will be in the 15-20 (WR) range.Would anyone take Amari over Gurley in a dynasty league rookie draft if it started today?
He's having an epic season so far.
Link(s)? Every mock I've seen has Gurley in the first and nearly all have Gordon there as well. They are pretty much universally seen as 1st round talents though many are quick to say in the write up they aren't sure they go there because of RB devaluation. Some of theater guys talked about as 1st rounders had that potential but just aren't really doing enough to vault themselves there.Wasn't the consensus this year that multiple rbs would be taken in the first round? None of the mocks I've seen recently reflect that. What gives?
LolThey provoke a thought alright. Just not the one you're thinking.Replace combative with thought-provoking.Why does every post you make have to be combative?XUE, I could care less about Ty. Ty has nothing to do with my view of Funchess. This is my view and there's nothing you can say or post that's going to change my mind so go find someone else to pick a fight with.
The closer we get to the draft more people will express the same view some of us already have.
Tex
So what's your answer? What is your view based on? Parroting mass-media types?
LOL. Still don't have an answer.LolThey provoke a thought alright. Just not the one you're thinking.Replace combative with thought-provoking.Why does every post you make have to be combative?XUE, I could care less about Ty. Ty has nothing to do with my view of Funchess. This is my view and there's nothing you can say or post that's going to change my mind so go find someone else to pick a fight with.
The closer we get to the draft more people will express the same view some of us already have.
Tex
So what's your answer? What is your view based on? Parroting mass-media types?
You spend a lot of time waiting on answers that were already given.LOL. Still don't have an answer.LolThey provoke a thought alright. Just not the one you're thinking.Replace combative with thought-provoking.Why does every post you make have to be combative?XUE, I could care less about Ty. Ty has nothing to do with my view of Funchess. This is my view and there's nothing you can say or post that's going to change my mind so go find someone else to pick a fight with.
The closer we get to the draft more people will express the same view some of us already have.
Tex
So what's your answer? What is your view based on? Parroting mass-media types?
This probably won't work, but I couldn't agree more.I am begging everyone involved to let it go. It's becoming a chore to sift through the noise for information and productive conversation. I don't say it to insult anyone or point fingers.
I didn't see the game but people have been critical of his performance vs. MSU in everything I've read. Here's one example. http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2014/10/27/2015-nfl-draft-5-prospects-who-hurt-their-stock-in-college-footballs-week-9/#slide_5identikit said:At the risk of being Xued, I didn't like some of what I saw of Funchess this past weekend.
Hands look suspect to me.
I've read that same thought in other analysis as well.