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[Dynasty] 2015 Draft Prospects (1 Viewer)

Xue said:
BigTex said:
Show me a 6'5" 230lb TE that is a "nightmare at TE". Why aren't 6'5" 230lb WRs being used as a "nightmare TE" if it's such a great idea?

Most top WRs are already "matchup nightmares". It's a generic narrative. Some of them get moved around, some don't.
You keep trying to pigeon hole this conversation into this specific "show me a 6'5", 230" TE as if it's at all relevant to the actual conversation. As was already stated earlier in this debate, if Funchess is to play TE in the NFL he will likely have to gain weight. Ironically, he weighed 235 last year, as Sophomore playing TE. He dropped weight this year in his move to WR. Assuming the listed weights are even accurate of course. So, it's a straw-man your trying to create.That said, there are compatible body types to his based on historical combine results. Just check here.http://nflcombineresults.com/nflcombinedata.php?year=all&pos=TE&college=

Also, some of us have been stating the opinion that Funchess is best suited for TE role in the NFL before many of these media types you like to keep falling back on as an insult. That has been our opinion all along. You conveniently say our opinion is just arguing while your opinion is data, though. Interesting viewpoint to say the least. Especially interesting considering nobody can seem to have a debate with you or disagreement without it turning into this kind of cryptic put downs.

I'm of the opinion that Funchess is best suited for the TE position in the NFL, but not that he's limited to it. I personally feel he is most likely to have success there. He is a tweener athletically and physically. He could be used in either fashion depending on what his team prefers. Again, he would need to add functional weight, say 10 lbs, to make the move to TE. I think he can do that easily. I don't think he can alter his athletic ability which would be fringe for playing on the outside. Therefore, I see the move to TE as wise and easier.
Can't show me. That's what I thought. Why is he best suited to play TE? What is the specific "matchup" problem that he will create?

When did I say my opinion is data? Again, great job of slandering me and not being able to read what someone else wrote.

Why and how is he a tweener and Vincent Jackson and Brandon Marshall and Marques Colston aren't?

I highly doubt 10 lbs would make a difference. Funchess needs ***tional strength not weight. You can actually get stronger without gaining muscle. (Look up "neuromuscular pathway")

Funny how people are knocking Funchess' lack of quickness yet Kevin White isn't a special route runner at all. I guess White should move to TE.

P.S. I'm still waiting for you to show me the "push off".
We've been through basically all of this.What does White's route running have to do with any of this? That's the only new thing in this post. It's a meaningless correlation like many others you've brought up.
Jurb, it won't stop. Just let it go. We obviously have the inability to think for ourselves. Hell, I might be a millionaire but I must have won the lottery cause there's no way I'm self-made......it's not worth the time.
Did you guys feel as strongly about Mike Evans being a TE last year?
Na. Evans moves like a gazelle though. Fast 40 or not, Funchess looks less natural.

 
Xue said:
BigTex said:
Show me a 6'5" 230lb TE that is a "nightmare at TE". Why aren't 6'5" 230lb WRs being used as a "nightmare TE" if it's such a great idea?

Most top WRs are already "matchup nightmares". It's a generic narrative. Some of them get moved around, some don't.
You keep trying to pigeon hole this conversation into this specific "show me a 6'5", 230" TE as if it's at all relevant to the actual conversation. As was already stated earlier in this debate, if Funchess is to play TE in the NFL he will likely have to gain weight. Ironically, he weighed 235 last year, as Sophomore playing TE. He dropped weight this year in his move to WR. Assuming the listed weights are even accurate of course. So, it's a straw-man your trying to create.That said, there are compatible body types to his based on historical combine results. Just check here.http://nflcombineresults.com/nflcombinedata.php?year=all&pos=TE&college=

Also, some of us have been stating the opinion that Funchess is best suited for TE role in the NFL before many of these media types you like to keep falling back on as an insult. That has been our opinion all along. You conveniently say our opinion is just arguing while your opinion is data, though. Interesting viewpoint to say the least. Especially interesting considering nobody can seem to have a debate with you or disagreement without it turning into this kind of cryptic put downs.

I'm of the opinion that Funchess is best suited for the TE position in the NFL, but not that he's limited to it. I personally feel he is most likely to have success there. He is a tweener athletically and physically. He could be used in either fashion depending on what his team prefers. Again, he would need to add functional weight, say 10 lbs, to make the move to TE. I think he can do that easily. I don't think he can alter his athletic ability which would be fringe for playing on the outside. Therefore, I see the move to TE as wise and easier.
Can't show me. That's what I thought. Why is he best suited to play TE? What is the specific "matchup" problem that he will create?

When did I say my opinion is data? Again, great job of slandering me and not being able to read what someone else wrote.

Why and how is he a tweener and Vincent Jackson and Brandon Marshall and Marques Colston aren't?

I highly doubt 10 lbs would make a difference. Funchess needs ***tional strength not weight. You can actually get stronger without gaining muscle. (Look up "neuromuscular pathway")

Funny how people are knocking Funchess' lack of quickness yet Kevin White isn't a special route runner at all. I guess White should move to TE.

P.S. I'm still waiting for you to show me the "push off".
We've been through basically all of this.What does White's route running have to do with any of this? That's the only new thing in this post. It's a meaningless correlation like many others you've brought up.
Jurb, it won't stop. Just let it go. We obviously have the inability to think for ourselves. Hell, I might be a millionaire but I must have won the lottery cause there's no way I'm self-made......it's not worth the time.
Did you guys feel as strongly about Mike Evans being a TE last year?
Na. Evans moves like a gazelle though. Fast 40 or not, Funchess looks less natural.
Funchess is much quicker in his routes and runs less upright. How can that be less natural?

 
If Kelvin Benjamin plays outside, I don't see why Funchess wouldn't. Would we even be having this discussion if Funchess didn't happen to start out at TE? That's the only reason this is in anyone's head. If he were doing the exact same thing and looking exactly the same but had always been on the WR depth chart, I don't see us having this discussion. People would be saying "why move him to TE, he's fine outside...and either way you can run him out of the slot like Colston if you want to".

Kelvin Benjamin looked stiff as a board and just generally like a drunken giraffe running the gauntlet at the combine. He still went 28th overall, with a similar history of concentration drops as Funchess.

Funchess is going to look smooth as can be compared to Benjamin, time faster and more athletic in pretty much every way, and just in general run around like a coordinated 6'2" guy rather than the 6'5" beast he is.

I still maintain he's a WR in the NFL, but either way he's going top-20.

 
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Xue said:
BigTex said:
Show me a 6'5" 230lb TE that is a "nightmare at TE". Why aren't 6'5" 230lb WRs being used as a "nightmare TE" if it's such a great idea?

Most top WRs are already "matchup nightmares". It's a generic narrative. Some of them get moved around, some don't.
You keep trying to pigeon hole this conversation into this specific "show me a 6'5", 230" TE as if it's at all relevant to the actual conversation. As was already stated earlier in this debate, if Funchess is to play TE in the NFL he will likely have to gain weight. Ironically, he weighed 235 last year, as Sophomore playing TE. He dropped weight this year in his move to WR. Assuming the listed weights are even accurate of course. So, it's a straw-man your trying to create.That said, there are compatible body types to his based on historical combine results. Just check here.http://nflcombineresults.com/nflcombinedata.php?year=all&pos=TE&college=

Also, some of us have been stating the opinion that Funchess is best suited for TE role in the NFL before many of these media types you like to keep falling back on as an insult. That has been our opinion all along. You conveniently say our opinion is just arguing while your opinion is data, though. Interesting viewpoint to say the least. Especially interesting considering nobody can seem to have a debate with you or disagreement without it turning into this kind of cryptic put downs.

I'm of the opinion that Funchess is best suited for the TE position in the NFL, but not that he's limited to it. I personally feel he is most likely to have success there. He is a tweener athletically and physically. He could be used in either fashion depending on what his team prefers. Again, he would need to add functional weight, say 10 lbs, to make the move to TE. I think he can do that easily. I don't think he can alter his athletic ability which would be fringe for playing on the outside. Therefore, I see the move to TE as wise and easier.
Can't show me. That's what I thought. Why is he best suited to play TE? What is the specific "matchup" problem that he will create?

When did I say my opinion is data? Again, great job of slandering me and not being able to read what someone else wrote.

Why and how is he a tweener and Vincent Jackson and Brandon Marshall and Marques Colston aren't?

I highly doubt 10 lbs would make a difference. Funchess needs ***tional strength not weight. You can actually get stronger without gaining muscle. (Look up "neuromuscular pathway")

Funny how people are knocking Funchess' lack of quickness yet Kevin White isn't a special route runner at all. I guess White should move to TE.

P.S. I'm still waiting for you to show me the "push off".
We've been through basically all of this.What does White's route running have to do with any of this? That's the only new thing in this post. It's a meaningless correlation like many others you've brought up.
Jurb, it won't stop. Just let it go. We obviously have the inability to think for ourselves. Hell, I might be a millionaire but I must have won the lottery cause there's no way I'm self-made......it's not worth the time.
Did you guys feel as strongly about Mike Evans being a TE last year?
Na. Evans moves like a gazelle though. Fast 40 or not, Funchess looks less natural.
Funchess is much quicker in his routes and runs less upright. How can that be less natural?
We've got different eyes.

 
How much do DGB's character concerns affect his ranking (for you)? If he had a spotless past, where would you value him?

 
How much do DGB's character concerns affect his ranking (for you)? If he had a spotless past, where would you value him?
I passed on him twice to grab Gurley and Cooper. I had one more pick, but waited. After he was picked I grabbed Duke Johnson of Auburn.

 
Would anyone take Amari over Gurley in a dynasty league rookie draft if it started today?

He's having an epic season so far.
Depends, I need a RB so I grabbed Gurley first but he's special so I may have grabbed him anyway but was lucky enough to grab Cooper later.

 
How much do DGB's character concerns affect his ranking (for you)? If he had a spotless past, where would you value him?
I passed on him twice to grab Gurley and Cooper. I had one more pick, but waited. After he was picked I grabbed Duke Johnson of Auburn.
Duke Johnson of Auburn?
They call him Duke....The WR.
you mean Williams?
Lol, yeah.

 
XUE, I could care less about Ty. Ty has nothing to do with my view of Funchess. This is my view and there's nothing you can say or post that's going to change my mind so go find someone else to pick a fight with.

The closer we get to the draft more people will express the same view some of us already have.

Tex

So what's your answer? What is your view based on? Parroting mass-media types?
Why does every post you make have to be combative?

 
doowain said:
XUE, I could care less about Ty. Ty has nothing to do with my view of Funchess. This is my view and there's nothing you can say or post that's going to change my mind so go find someone else to pick a fight with.

The closer we get to the draft more people will express the same view some of us already have.

Tex

So what's your answer? What is your view based on? Parroting mass-media types?
Why does every post you make have to be combative?
Replace combative with thought-provoking.

 
doowain said:
XUE, I could care less about Ty. Ty has nothing to do with my view of Funchess. This is my view and there's nothing you can say or post that's going to change my mind so go find someone else to pick a fight with.

The closer we get to the draft more people will express the same view some of us already have.

Tex

So what's your answer? What is your view based on? Parroting mass-media types?
Why does every post you make have to be combative?
Replace combative with thought-provoking.
They provoke a thought alright. Just not the one you're thinking.

 
Show me a 6'5" 230lb TE that is a "nightmare at TE". Why aren't 6'5" 230lb WRs being used as a "nightmare TE" if it's such a great idea?

Most top WRs are already "matchup nightmares". It's a generic narrative. Some of them get moved around, some don't.
You keep trying to pigeon hole this conversation into this specific "show me a 6'5", 230" TE as if it's at all relevant to the actual conversation. As was already stated earlier in this debate, if Funchess is to play TE in the NFL he will likely have to gain weight. Ironically, he weighed 235 last year, as Sophomore playing TE. He dropped weight this year in his move to WR. Assuming the listed weights are even accurate of course. So, it's a straw-man your trying to create.That said, there are compatible body types to his based on historical combine results. Just check here.http://nflcombineresults.com/nflcombinedata.php?year=all&pos=TE&college=

Also, some of us have been stating the opinion that Funchess is best suited for TE role in the NFL before many of these media types you like to keep falling back on as an insult. That has been our opinion all along. You conveniently say our opinion is just arguing while your opinion is data, though. Interesting viewpoint to say the least. Especially interesting considering nobody can seem to have a debate with you or disagreement without it turning into this kind of cryptic put downs.

I'm of the opinion that Funchess is best suited for the TE position in the NFL, but not that he's limited to it. I personally feel he is most likely to have success there. He is a tweener athletically and physically. He could be used in either fashion depending on what his team prefers. Again, he would need to add functional weight, say 10 lbs, to make the move to TE. I think he can do that easily. I don't think he can alter his athletic ability which would be fringe for playing on the outside. Therefore, I see the move to TE as wise and easier.
Can't show me. That's what I thought. Why is he best suited to play TE? What is the specific "matchup" problem that he will create?

When did I say my opinion is data? Again, great job of slandering me and not being able to read what someone else wrote.

Why and how is he a tweener and Vincent Jackson and Brandon Marshall and Marques Colston aren't?

I highly doubt 10 lbs would make a difference. Funchess needs ***tional strength not weight. You can actually get stronger without gaining muscle. (Look up "neuromuscular pathway")

Funny how people are knocking Funchess' lack of quickness yet Kevin White isn't a special route runner at all. I guess White should move to TE.

P.S. I'm still waiting for you to show me the "push off".
We've been through basically all of this.What does White's route running have to do with any of this? That's the only new thing in this post. It's a meaningless correlation like many others you've brought up.
Jurb, it won't stop. Just let it go. We obviously have the inability to think for ourselves. Hell, I might be a millionaire but I must have won the lottery cause there's no way I'm self-made......it's not worth the time.
Did you guys feel as strongly about Mike Evans being a TE last year?
Na. Evans moves like a gazelle though. Fast 40 or not, Funchess looks less natural.
Funchess is much quicker in his routes and runs less upright. How can that be less natural?
We've got different eyes.
Or we choose to ignore evidence that doesn't fit our view. When has Mike Evans ever run a route this quick and smooth in college? https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3869/15104290901_240542f330_o.gif

 
Would anyone take Amari over Gurley in a dynasty league rookie draft if it started today?

He's having an epic season so far.
Not me. Cooper is one of a number of very good WR prospects over the last 5 years. Gurley is in a class of his own, save perhaps Trent, over that time span. Gurley, if drafted where he's being projected, will be a top 5 dynasty back right away. Cooper will be in the 15-20 (WR) range.

 
Would anyone take Amari over Gurley in a dynasty league rookie draft if it started today?

He's having an epic season so far.
Not me. Cooper is one of a number of very good WR prospects over the last 5 years. Gurley is in a class of his own, save perhaps Trent, over that time span. Gurley, if drafted where he's being projected, will be a top 5 dynasty back right away. Cooper will be in the 15-20 (WR) range.
I believe there was a poll back when it was Calvin vs Adrian. I took Calvin Johnson over Adrian Peterson but overwhelmingly it was voted Adrian over Calvin. Of course Cooper is no Calvin but the WR, if he is great, will last longer than the great RB.

 
I believe there was a poll back when it was Calvin vs Adrian. I took Calvin Johnson over Adrian Peterson but overwhelmingly it was voted Adrian over Calvin. Of course Cooper is no Calvin but the WR, if he is great, will last longer than the great RB.
I measure duration over baseline at the position level, then compare the advantage across positions. 5 years of RB production > 5 years of WR production.

In other words: Gurley Duration/Baseline RB Duration (projected for top 24 dyansty RBs) vs. Cooper Duration/Baseline WR Duration (projected for top 36 dynasty WRs).

The last time I did the math, 21 YO RBs projeted to be slightly more valuable that 21 YO WRs, based on duration alone (if all else is equal).

 
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Wasn't the consensus this year that multiple rbs would be taken in the first round? None of the mocks I've seen recently reflect that. What gives?

 
Would anyone take Amari over Gurley in a dynasty league rookie draft if it started today?

He's having an epic season so far.
Not me. Cooper is one of a number of very good WR prospects over the last 5 years. Gurley is in a class of his own, save perhaps Trent, over that time span. Gurley, if drafted where he's being projected, will be a top 5 dynasty back right away. Cooper will be in the 15-20 (WR) range.
I believe there was a poll back when it was Calvin vs Adrian. I took Calvin Johnson over Adrian Peterson but overwhelmingly it was voted Adrian over Calvin. Of course Cooper is no Calvin but the WR, if he is great, will last longer than the great RB.
Agreed. If I could go back in time I'd still take Peterson over Calvin, especially given that the circumstances behind Peterson's early downfall aren't relevant to Gordon vs. Cooper. And, as has been mentioned, Cooper is no Calvin as a prospect. Gurley may be close to Peterson as one.

 
Wasn't the consensus this year that multiple rbs would be taken in the first round? None of the mocks I've seen recently reflect that. What gives?
Link(s)? Every mock I've seen has Gurley in the first and nearly all have Gordon there as well. They are pretty much universally seen as 1st round talents though many are quick to say in the write up they aren't sure they go there because of RB devaluation. Some of theater guys talked about as 1st rounders had that potential but just aren't really doing enough to vault themselves there.

 
At the risk of being Xued, I didn't like some of what I saw of Funchess this past weekend.

Hands look suspect to me.

I've read that same thought in other analysis as well.

 
Tevin Coleman seems like a safe bet for the 2nd round at worst imo. And it's not uncommon for RBs to end up in the 2nd after a good combine who weren't projected to do so at this stage.

 
I have Gurley, Gordon, Abdullah, Coleman, and Davis as the top 5, with Yeldon in contention for the last spot. I see Gurley and Gordon as pretty good bets for the first round. I think of the other guys, Coleman might have the best chance if he can test well. His production is off the charts and he brings a lot of the same skills as Gordon with just a lesser reputation. Some dark horse guys who could contend for spots in rounds 2-4: Byron Marshall, Cameron Artis-Payne, Jay Ajayi, and Kevin Parks. Marshall is a good receiver and very fast, which is a combination that should appeal to teams looking for a versatile complement.

I've hyped Michael Dyer endlessly over the last two years, so I might as well throw his name out there again as a wild card. No chance whatsoever that he becomes a first round pick given his age and checkered character, but he's finally flashing the old talent again. He tore down the house in his last game against NC State, with 173 rushing yards on 24 carries. He's the #1 back on the depth chart for Thursday's tilt against Florida State. That might be his best opportunity to put himself in the shop window this season. In terms of draft stock, he doesn't belong in the discussion for the top 5. In terms of actual pro talent, he might have a case. Not too many big guys can motor like him. Here's his 46 yard score from the last game:

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=11723940

 
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XUE, I could care less about Ty. Ty has nothing to do with my view of Funchess. This is my view and there's nothing you can say or post that's going to change my mind so go find someone else to pick a fight with.

The closer we get to the draft more people will express the same view some of us already have.

Tex

So what's your answer? What is your view based on? Parroting mass-media types?
Why does every post you make have to be combative?
Replace combative with thought-provoking.
They provoke a thought alright. Just not the one you're thinking.
Lol

 
XUE, I could care less about Ty. Ty has nothing to do with my view of Funchess. This is my view and there's nothing you can say or post that's going to change my mind so go find someone else to pick a fight with.

The closer we get to the draft more people will express the same view some of us already have.

Tex

So what's your answer? What is your view based on? Parroting mass-media types?
Why does every post you make have to be combative?
Replace combative with thought-provoking.
They provoke a thought alright. Just not the one you're thinking.
Lol
LOL. Still don't have an answer.

 
XUE, I could care less about Ty. Ty has nothing to do with my view of Funchess. This is my view and there's nothing you can say or post that's going to change my mind so go find someone else to pick a fight with.

The closer we get to the draft more people will express the same view some of us already have.

Tex

So what's your answer? What is your view based on? Parroting mass-media types?
Why does every post you make have to be combative?
Replace combative with thought-provoking.
They provoke a thought alright. Just not the one you're thinking.
Lol
LOL. Still don't have an answer.
You spend a lot of time waiting on answers that were already given.
 
I am begging everyone involved to let it go. It's becoming a chore to sift through the noise for information and productive conversation. I don't say it to insult anyone or point fingers.

 
identikit said:
At the risk of being Xued, I didn't like some of what I saw of Funchess this past weekend.

Hands look suspect to me.

I've read that same thought in other analysis as well.
I didn't see the game but people have been critical of his performance vs. MSU in everything I've read. Here's one example. http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2014/10/27/2015-nfl-draft-5-prospects-who-hurt-their-stock-in-college-footballs-week-9/#slide_5

"The deck has been stacked against Devin Funchess all season. Despite awful QB play and no other threat on offense, Funchess has played extremely well in 2014. He's likely a top 20 pick in the 2015 NFL Draft. However, his performance against Michigan State was not impressive at all. He finished the game with five catches for 64 yards, but was targeted 11 times and dropped a couple easy balls."

I'm hoping to get the game footage online soon as this is a game I was looking forward to diving into. MSU has good CBs who are physical and might provide the best gage possible to the type of coverage you see on the outside in the NFL. I'd like to see how he faired against them. Not just the drops but creating separation.

 

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