Dynasty: Cam > Rodgers (1 Viewer)

[Concept Coop]

I have recently decided that I would take Newton over Rodgers in dynasty formats (see rankings: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=616291) and thought it was worth a conversation/thread of its own.

Here is why Cam is more valuable:

-When we think back to other dynasty sustaining players, like LT, Peyton, Randy, TO - the things they did on the field to produce more fantasy points than their peers, their peers also did. In other words, LT simply did what RBs do more effectively than other RBs. Peyton simply threw for more yards/TDs than other QBs. Cam offers a freaky potential that no other player in the league can offer: the ability to produce based on a unique skill set that his peers don't and will never posses. He is on pace to throw for well over 4,000 yards, throw more TDs than INTs, rush for 600 yards and 14 TDs. That would be amazing for a veteran, let alone a rookie with no training camp, no WR2, only 1 year of major college football, who started from day 1.

-Cam is scoring a lot more VBD than Rodgers was last year. I think Rodger's numbers are more likely to drop than Newton's, based on the way they go about scoring points. The Packers will likely find reason or need to lean on the run more.

-Monster QB season come back down to earth. Think Brady/Manning and their record breaking seasons. For a year, teams can rely solely on the pass. Eventually, they need more balance/ball control.

-Running QBs are more consistent. Even Tim Tebow, when he has an awful NFL game, puts up solid numbers EVERY time he plays. Now, even guys like Tom Brady have 180/1TD/1INT games. While Newton will have those, they will be supplemented by 6-8 PPG on the ground.

Thoughts?

 

[No. 16]

Running QBs when they gain more experience tend to rush a lot less. Not sure Cam can improve his passing to where it compensates for the points that he produces running.

I'd rather take the QB who dominates the game with his arm over the long haul then one who does it with athleticism.

 

[jonboltz]

I own Cam, love watching him play, and drafted him earlier than expected in my dynasty league. I would insta-accept giving him up for Rodgers. He's the only guy I have above Cam.

 

[Concept Coop]

Running QBs when they gain more experience tend to rush a lot less. Not sure Cam can improve his passing to where it compensates for the points that he produces running.I'd rather take the QB who dominates the game with his arm over the long haul then one who does it with athleticism.

Cam is about to throw for over 4,000 yards and is shattering rookie passing records. Cam is dominating with what is on his shoulders as well as his freak of a body.

 

[finito]

I can see this line of thinking.

Personally, give me Rodgers, but Cam's season is astonishing.

 

[Mimo]

Rodgers

I see a decline in Cam's rushing yards and rushing TDs, especially over time. Rodgers FF scoring is not nearly as dependent on that as Cam's are or will be.

 

[Hybrid]

Not a crazy thought, but I'd rather have the more proven passer in the better situation right now. Cam's rushing numbers could drop off next year as his team's passing attack continues to improve and teams adjust better to his skill set.

 

[gandalas]

Give me the guy who has done it at least a few years in a row already. Cam is having a great season, and is definitely a top-3 or 4 dynasty QB, but Rodgers has been at that level for the past 2 or 3 seasons.

Plus, what happens to Cam when Steve Smith inevitably slows down a bit? Rodgers has shown that it doesn't matter who is in there - he will produce. Not so sure that Cam can do the same without Smitty.

Also, leg injuries are seemingly much more common than an injury to a throwing arm. You are pretty much guaranteed to take a hit every time you are running the ball - while passing, it is not such a sure thing.

 

[Concept Coop]

RodgersI see a decline in Cam's rushing yards and rushing TDs, especially over time. Rodgers FF scoring is not nearly as dependent on that as Cam's are or will be.

Historic passing seasons come back down to earth. It happened to Brady, Manning and Brees. Why is Rodgers the exception?

 

[Concept Coop]

Also, leg injuries are seemingly much more common than an injury to a throwing arm. You are pretty much guaranteed to take a hit every time you are running the ball - while passing, it is not such a sure thing.

Have you watched Cam much. He very rarely takes a hit while running. He slides and gets out of bounds. He is very smart about it. He ability to escape has prevented hits, not caused them.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

Running QBs when they gain more experience tend to rush a lot less. Not sure Cam can improve his passing to where it compensates for the points that he produces running.I'd rather take the QB who dominates the game with his arm over the long haul then one who does it with athleticism.

I'd agree with this. As for QBs not replicating monster years, Brady tore his ACL in his first game after the monster season. Could he have thrown for 50 TDs again? We'll never know. However, just because he and Peyton didn't, doesn't mean Rodgers won't. All the key pieces are in place for years to come, with Finley being the only upcoming FA. Add in a head coach that would much rather pass than run, and I can't think of a safer bet going forward than Rodgers. One other note, game film has been out on Rodgers for years. Defensive coordinators should know how to attack his weaknesses by this point. That can't be said about Newton. When DC's get a full offseason to study, they can make things difficult. (See Freeman, Josh).

 

[thriftyrocker]

Seems a lot like Daunte Culpepper vs. Peyton Manning in 2004.

Cam is dominating with what is on his shoulders as well as his freak of a body.

Dominating fantasy stats. Big difference from dominating the NFL. As far as I know Tebow has a better record as a starter.

 

[Concept Coop]

Seems a lot like Daunte Culpepper vs. Peyton Manning in 2004.

Cam is dominating with what is on his shoulders as well as his freak of a body.

Dominating fantasy stats. Big difference from dominating the NFL. As far as I know Tebow has a better record as a starter.

I am comfortable that those who have watched Cam play, don't need to bring up his record. The impact he has had on his team has been amazing. The team is major leaps and bounds ahead of where it was last year. And his yards and touchdowns suggest he is dominating the NFL as well as fantasy leagues.

 

[Reepicheep]

On the other hand Rodgers has never finished lower than 2nd as a QB, in any scoring system I've played in. Sure, he'll "come back to earth" next year. But back to earth for Rodgers is top-2 QB. Swapping the two right now is a bet I could see possibly paying off, especially since Cam has his entire career ahead of him. But that would be a pretty ballsy bet IMO.

Also worth considering that Steve Smith is no spring chicken, betting on Cam is also betting on the Panthers to find someone that can fill that role in the next couple years. Not saying they won't, but it's certainly a risk factor.

 

[Concept Coop]

One other note, game film has been out on Rodgers for years. Defensive coordinators should know how to attack his weaknesses by this point. That can't be said about Newton. When DC's get a full offseason to study, they can make things difficult. (See Freeman, Josh).

Freeman, Josh passed for 4,000+ yards, more TDs than Ints and almost a TD a game as a rookie? Cam is on pace to.

 

[shnikies]

Jennings is 28 and Smith is 32. The Packers also have a plethora of young receivers. I just think Rodgers is setup for years to come where Newton will have a new #1 within 3 years.

 

[Concept Coop]

On the other hand Rodgers has never finished lower than 2nd as a QB, in any scoring system I've played in. Sure, he'll "come back to earth" next year. But back to earth for Rodgers is top-2 QB. Swapping the two right now is a bet I could see possibly paying off, especially since Cam has his entire career ahead of him. But that would be a pretty ballsy bet IMO.

Also worth considering that Steve Smith is no spring chicken, betting on Cam is also betting on the Panthers to find someone that can fill that role in the next couple years. Not saying they won't, but it's certainly a risk factor.

Back down to earth is well behind what Cam is doing now. Back down to earth is about 80 VBD, which Rodgers provided last season. Cam has that 1/2 through the season. Rodgers can't come back down to earth. If Cam improves, which most rookies do, Rodgers had better too, just to keep up.

And the Panthers are more likely to improve their WR weapons than have them hindered, even when Smith retires.

 

[Mimo]

RodgersI see a decline in Cam's rushing yards and rushing TDs, especially over time. Rodgers FF scoring is not nearly as dependent on that as Cam's are or will be.

Historic passing seasons come back down to earth. It happened to Brady, Manning and Brees. Why is Rodgers the exception?

Love Cam but there is, or will be a consistency to Rodgers game. Those historic passing seasons do come back down to earth but even on earth they are still great seasons. I think if Cam's FF scoring is geared more toward the double dip (passing and running) he will see the bigger decline in FF scoring. Just can't see those rushing TDs being sustainable and they are a big part of what makes Cam.

 

[Concept Coop]

Rodgers has shown that it doesn't matter who is in there - he will produce. Not so sure that Cam can do the same without Smitty.

As long as both Jennings and Driver are there - you're right. Otherwise, he hasn't shown that.

 

[Concept Coop]

Love Cam but there is, or will be a consistency to Rodgers game. Those historic passing seasons do come back down to earth but even on earth they are still great seasons. I think if Cam's FF scoring is geared more toward the double dip (passing and running) he will see the bigger decline in FF scoring. Just can't see those rushing TDs being sustainable and they are a big part of what makes Cam.

Cam is doing, through the air, what Rodgers did as a 25 year old, after sitting for 3 years. What about Cam's passing ability don't you see progressing the way Rodgers' did?

 

[thriftyrocker]

And his yards and touchdowns suggest he is dominating the NFL as well as fantasy leagues.

Andy Dalton has more passing TDs. So does Mark Sanchez. :X

 

[jonboltz]

Love Cam but there is, or will be a consistency to Rodgers game. Those historic passing seasons do come back down to earth but even on earth they are still great seasons. I think if Cam's FF scoring is geared more toward the double dip (passing and running) he will see the bigger decline in FF scoring. Just can't see those rushing TDs being sustainable and they are a big part of what makes Cam.

Cam is doing, through the air, what Rodgers did as a 25 year old, after sitting for 3 years. What about Cam's passing ability don't you see progressing the way Rodgers' did?

Cam is moving the ball very well through the air, but TDs are what really put up points in fantasy leagues. Right now he is getting them on the ground, which is great-- but I could certainly envision a scenario where he is only getting 1/2 of the rushing TDs, and keeping his passing TDs pretty consistent (on pace for low 20s).

 

[Hybrid]

One other note, game film has been out on Rodgers for years. Defensive coordinators should know how to attack his weaknesses by this point. That can't be said about Newton. When DC's get a full offseason to study, they can make things difficult. (See Freeman, Josh).

Freeman, Josh passed for 4,000+ yards, more TDs than Ints and almost a TD a game as a rookie? Cam is on pace to.

Your reasoning is a little hypocritical. Your argument against Rodgers is that historical passing numbers usually fall back down to earth the next year, then defend Cam by saying he is having an historical year.

 

[Concept Coop]

And his yards and touchdowns suggest he is dominating the NFL as well as fantasy leagues.

Andy Dalton has more passing TDs. So does Mark Sanchez. :X

Both have more than Philip Rivers too. Lets do total TDs. That will be fun. Or total yards.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

One other note, game film has been out on Rodgers for years. Defensive coordinators should know how to attack his weaknesses by this point. That can't be said about Newton. When DC's get a full offseason to study, they can make things difficult. (See Freeman, Josh).

Freeman, Josh passed for 4,000+ yards, more TDs than Ints and almost a TD a game as a rookie? Cam is on pace to.

Didn't say Freeman = Newton. Newton > Freeman.However, the 2010 version of Freeman was a lot better than the 2011 version. That's because teams have taken away what he likes to do best. Newton also doesn't need to completely collapse in coming years to make this a bad move. Rodgers is currently playing the position better than anybody ever has. His top 4 WRs are all very good and under contract for years to come. He's got a solid OL in front of him, and a good HC who loves to pass. Now I guess Cam could eclipse the monster numbers Rodgers has been putting up going forward because he's more of a rushing threat, but I think thats like trying to draw an inside straight. It could happen, but the chances are pretty low.

 

[Concept Coop]

One other note, game film has been out on Rodgers for years. Defensive coordinators should know how to attack his weaknesses by this point. That can't be said about Newton. When DC's get a full offseason to study, they can make things difficult. (See Freeman, Josh).

Freeman, Josh passed for 4,000+ yards, more TDs than Ints and almost a TD a game as a rookie? Cam is on pace to.

Your reasoning is a little hypocritical. Your argument against Rodgers is that historical passing numbers usually fall back down to earth the next year, then defend Cam by saying he is having an historical year.

Historic, anomaly seasons. Fantasy seasons. Cam isn't having one of those, minus his running stats, except in the context that he is a rookie. Clearly not hypocritical.

 

[Mimo]

Love Cam but there is, or will be a consistency to Rodgers game. Those historic passing seasons do come back down to earth but even on earth they are still great seasons. I think if Cam's FF scoring is geared more toward the double dip (passing and running) he will see the bigger decline in FF scoring. Just can't see those rushing TDs being sustainable and they are a big part of what makes Cam.

Cam is doing, through the air, what Rodgers did as a 25 year old, after sitting for 3 years. What about Cam's passing ability don't you see progressing the way Rodgers' did?

Valid question but I gear more toward the situation as well. Is the Panthers organization gonna build around Cam like the Packers have built around Rodgers. Jennings, Driver, Nelson, Finley, Jones, Cobb I mean that's sick WR/TE depth. Cam doesn't have close to that, will the Panthers get that help I don't know. Rodgers is 27, Newton is 22. Rodgers could do what he's doing another 10 years. Give me the bird in a hand and organization. I would trade Cam for Rodgers in a heartbeat.

 

[Concept Coop]

Rodgers is currently playing the position better than anybody ever has. His top 4 WRs are all very good and under contract for years to come. He's got a solid OL in front of him, and a good HC who loves to pass. Now I guess Cam could eclipse the monster numbers Rodgers has been putting up going forward because he's more of a rushing threat, but I think thats like trying to draw an inside straight. It could happen, but the chances are pretty low.

The chances are not low. As I pointed out, Cam is doubling the VBD that Rodgers scored last year. Unless you think GB continues to rely on the pass at this clip (they didn't when they won the SB) it is very likely. Cam is on pace to better ANY season Rodgers has had with the exception to this year.

Rodgers has averaged 102 VBD in his career. Cam has 72, through 8 games. He is on pace for 140+.

 

[shnikies]

Rodgers is currently playing the position better than anybody ever has. His top 4 WRs are all very good and under contract for years to come. He's got a solid OL in front of him, and a good HC who loves to pass. Now I guess Cam could eclipse the monster numbers Rodgers has been putting up going forward because he's more of a rushing threat, but I think thats like trying to draw an inside straight. It could happen, but the chances are pretty low.

The chances are not low. As I pointed out, Cam is doubling the VBD that Rodgers scored last year. Unless you think GB continues to rely on the pass at this clip (they didn't when they won the SB) it is very likely. Cam is on pace to better ANY season Rodgers has had with the exception to this year.

Rodgers has averaged 102 VBD in his career. Cam has 72, through 8 games. He is on pace for 140+.

Isn't VBD relative? Meaning if Cam is VBD 72 through 8 games and nothing changes he'll be VBD 72 at the end of the season not VBD 144?

 

[thriftyrocker]

And his yards and touchdowns suggest he is dominating the NFL as well as fantasy leagues.

Andy Dalton has more passing TDs. So does Mark Sanchez. :X

Both have more than Philip Rivers too. Lets do total TDs. That will be fun. Or total yards.

Rivers is having a disastrous season from both an NFL and fantasy perspective. If Newton repeats this performance 2 years from now, he will be having a disastrous season from an NFL perspective. Total TDs is meaningless. (How many rushing TDs does Vick have this year and why?) His NFL success is tied to 1) success throwing the ball and 2) ability to win games in the 4th quarter.

 

[thriftyrocker]

Except for the Monsoon Bowl, Newton's two worst games are against NO and ATL. Why?

 

[Concept Coop]

Isn't VBD relative? Meaning if Cam is VBD 72 through 8 games and nothing changes he'll be VBD 72 at the end of the season not VBD 144?

Cam would have to score baseline from here on out to end with 72. The longer period of time, the more potential for VORP. He is currently scoring 9 PPG over Average. He he kept that up, he would finish at 144.

 

[thehornet]

Rodgers is a much better real life QB but I like watching Cam play and the new shiny toy thing is in play here for me.

 

[Concept Coop]

If Newton repeats this performance 2 years from now, he will be having a disastrous season from an NFL perspective. Total TDs is meaningless. (How many rushing TDs does Vick have this year and why?) His NFL success is tied to 1) success throwing the ball and 2) ability to win games in the 4th quarter.

Newton is on pace for 4,000 yards, more TDs than INTs, and 40 total TDs. That is not disastrous, no matter how you want to bend it. Those not trying to make a point, have no expressed concern in Newton's ability to win. He has won at every level. A Heisman and 2 national championships, with 2 different schools. He has made his team competative, though he plays with an inferior roster than the QB on the other side of the ball.

 

[thehornet]

His team isn't even giving him a chance to win some weeks. Look at last week for example, booted a FG for an overtime opportunity win. Or many other weeks when the Def is giving up 30 easy. Cam will eventually learn the nuances of the game and the timing and flow, but even without all of that his fantasy stats have been astonishing for an MVP caliber veteran, let alone a rookie.

 

[sho nuff]

Rodgers has shown that it doesn't matter who is in there - he will produce. Not so sure that Cam can do the same without Smitty.

As long as both Jennings and Driver are there - you're right. Otherwise, he hasn't shown that.

Are you Cecil Newton?But yes...Rodgers has shown he can do it without one of those guys at any given time (SB Driver was out...Jennings missed time Rodgers first year and Rodgers kept on clicking with Jordy as a rookie).

They have Jennings, Nelson, Jones locked up long term already...have the line getting locked up long term as well.

Cam is having a great year. Rodgers has had 4 very good years and putting up all time numbers this year...and I don't think McCarthy will scale things back for him going forward.

Barring injury...the answer is still Rodgers over Cam.

 

[Concept Coop]

Rodgers has shown that it doesn't matter who is in there - he will produce. Not so sure that Cam can do the same without Smitty.

As long as both Jennings and Driver are there - you're right. Otherwise, he hasn't shown that.

Are you Cecil Newton?But yes...Rodgers has shown he can do it without one of those guys at any given time (SB Driver was out...Jennings missed time Rodgers first year and Rodgers kept on clicking with Jordy as a rookie).

They have Jennings, Nelson, Jones locked up long term already...have the line getting locked up long term as well.

Cam is having a great year. Rodgers has had 4 very good years and putting up all time numbers this year...and I don't think McCarthy will scale things back for him going forward.

Barring injury...the answer is still Rodgers over Cam.

Nope. Not Cecil.You think Rodgers continues to throw the ball at this pace? The why just this year, out of the 4? Change in philosophy?

 

[shnikies]

Isn't VBD relative? Meaning if Cam is VBD 72 through 8 games and nothing changes he'll be VBD 72 at the end of the season not VBD 144?

Cam would have to score baseline from here on out to end with 72. The longer period of time, the more potential for VORP. He is currently scoring 9 PPG over Average. He he kept that up, he would finish at 144.

Ah. I get it. VBD is player's total points - average total points for the position.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

I agree with you CC. He's like nothing we've ever seen before, and its NOT just his running. That's just the icing on the cake. He's got a top-3 arm, any way you want to dice it: Strength, velocity, accuracy, touch. He doesn't always put it all together, but when he does he makes plays that only 2 or 3 other QB's in the league are even capable of making, throws that most NFL QB's dream of attempting. And he's doing veteran things in the pocket as well, which no one expected. Standing tall with poise amidst a frantic pass-rush. Sliding around until his mental clock tells him to get rid of the ball. Looking off a safety and making a big play. He very rarely looks lost or uncomfortable in the pocket, and that's not even taking into account how at home he is throwing on the run, or leaving the pocket while keeping his eyes down the field.

If you could create a new proto-type at QB, Cam Newton would be it. He's like creating a QB from scratch in Madden and just totally cheating, except his speed might be a 88-90 rather than a 99. But we can't get too picky.

 

[thriftyrocker]

If Newton repeats this performance 2 years from now, he will be having a disastrous season from an NFL perspective. Total TDs is meaningless. (How many rushing TDs does Vick have this year and why?) His NFL success is tied to 1) success throwing the ball and 2) ability to win games in the 4th quarter.

Newton is on pace for 4,000 yards, more TDs than INTs, and 40 total TDs. That is not disastrous, no matter how you want to bend it. Those not trying to make a point, have no expressed concern in Newton's ability to win. He has won at every level. A Heisman and 2 national championships, with 2 different schools. He has made his team competative, though he plays with an inferior roster than the QB on the other side of the ball.

2-6 with wins over 2 bad teams is a disaster no matter how many yards you pass for. If he doesn't win, the question will become "how can we put the team into a position to win" and "do we need to reign him in?" You can see it a little bit with Vick and Romo this year, and those guys are what Newton is aspiring to be from an NFL perspective. How was Tebow's long term value affected when McDaniels was fired?Newton is an elite dynasty QB but there are enough one time elite QBs who've been figured out, damaged, or discarded to keep some skepticism. Enough to not get too crazy here with the starting of threads and the making of proclamations.

 

[Concept Coop]

Projecting Rodgers to keep this up, season to season is the equivalent of projecting CJ2k to run for 2,000 yards a season, 2 years ago. He is on pace to be right at the record for TD passes - and some are projecting that to be the norm.

 

[thehornet]

Rodgers has shown that it doesn't matter who is in there - he will produce. Not so sure that Cam can do the same without Smitty.

As long as both Jennings and Driver are there - you're right. Otherwise, he hasn't shown that.

Are you Cecil Newton?But yes...Rodgers has shown he can do it without one of those guys at any given time (SB Driver was out...Jennings missed time Rodgers first year and Rodgers kept on clicking with Jordy as a rookie).

They have Jennings, Nelson, Jones locked up long term already...have the line getting locked up long term as well.

Cam is having a great year. Rodgers has had 4 very good years and putting up all time numbers this year...and I don't think McCarthy will scale things back for him going forward.

Barring injury...the answer is still Rodgers over Cam.

Nope. Not Cecil.You think Rodgers continues to throw the ball at this pace? The why just this year, out of the 4? Change in philosophy?

It's clear you have a crush on Cam and that's fine, but you can't question and mock Rodger's 2011 pace and then use Cam's pace (see post 34) as a part of your debate on why Cam is a better dyno option. There is no way Cam will sustain his rushing stats.

 

[thriftyrocker]

Projecting Rodgers to keep this up, season to season is the equivalent of projecting CJ2k to run for 2,000 yards a season, 2 years ago. He is on pace to be right at the record for TD passes - and some are projecting that to be the norm.

See Peyton Manning and Daunte Culpepper 2004.

 

[Concept Coop]

2-6 with wins over 2 bad teams is a disaster no matter how many yards you pass for. If he doesn't win, the question will become "how can we put the team into a position to win" and "do we need to reign him in?" You can see it a little bit with Vick and Romo this year, and those guys are what Newton is aspiring to be from an NFL perspective. How was Tebow's long term value affected when McDaniels was fired?Newton is an elite dynasty QB but there are enough one time elite QBs who've been figured out, damaged, or discarded to keep some skepticism. Enough to not get too crazy here with the starting of threads and the making of proclamations.

If you have seen him play and still make this argument, I can't really take your perspective on the subject seriously. If you have only looked at his record, I get it, and would suggest watching him play. I'll lend you my NFL Rewind login info, if needed. I understand if you are not ready to call him great longterm. But to bring his record up as a negative is not logical.

 

[Concept Coop]

Projecting Rodgers to keep this up, season to season is the equivalent of projecting CJ2k to run for 2,000 yards a season, 2 years ago. He is on pace to be right at the record for TD passes - and some are projecting that to be the norm.

See Peyton Manning and Daunte Culpepper 2004.

Cam =/= Culpepper

 

[Concept Coop]

Rodgers' record as a starter, at 25 and 3 years of sitting/learing, with a better roster than Newton's: 6-10.

 

[Pipes]

Projecting Rodgers to keep this up, season to season is the equivalent of projecting CJ2k to run for 2,000 yards a season, 2 years ago. He is on pace to be right at the record for TD passes - and some are projecting that to be the norm.

Who's projecting Rodgers to keep up this year's numbers? Rodgers was the #1 QB last year in most formats and he was top 5 the year before. Even if he numbers go back to the norm he's a top 3 QB at worst. The Packers are a pass first team and always will be with McCarthy/Rodgers.You're not crazy ranking Cam ahead of Rodgers I just couldn't do that with Rodgers having now 4 excellent to amazing NFL seasons in a row and will him entering his prime with a whole group of talent WR's it would be hard to pass that over.

 

[Concept Coop]

Who's projecting Rodgers to keep up this year's numbers? Rodgers was the #1 QB last year in most formats and he was top 5 the year before. Even if he numbers go back to the norm he's a top 3 QB at worst. The Packers are a pass first team and always will be with McCarthy/Rodgers.You're not crazy ranking Cam ahead of Rodgers I just couldn't do that with Rodgers having now 4 excellent to amazing NFL seasons in a row and will him entering his prime with a whole group of talent WR's it would be hard to pass that over.

Cam producing more than Rodgers has every year, up to this point.Rodgers has to keep this up, or Cam can simply repeat these numbers and outscore him by a good margin. Again, Rodgers' VBD/Year up to this point: 102Cam's: 72 (through 8 games; on pace for 144.

 

[DoubleG]

I find it interesting that many in this thread are suggesting that Newton's rushing stats will drop...but fail to recognize that this will likely be offset by his increase in passing production as he learns the league, gets better at reading defenses, etc.

For the record, I own neither in a dynasty league - but would be hard pressed to take Rodgers instead of Cam, given the choice.

Rodgers at this point in his career obviously understands the game better. That said, when it's close in a dynasty format, I subscribe to SSOG's line of thinking "talent trumps opportunity" (referring to the receiver situation in GB being better than Cam's). I do think Cam has a better arm than Rodgers, better legs and will be just as good (if not better) throwing on the move.

If my dynasty team was built to win this year or next, Rodgers would be the move. But Cam could bring championship banners for 5-10 years running starting in 2012 or 2013.

 

[Phlash]

Give me the guy who has done it at least a few years in a row already. Cam is having a great season, and is definitely a top-3 or 4 dynasty QB, but Rodgers has been at that level for the past 2 or 3 seasons.

Plus, what happens to Cam when Steve Smith inevitably slows down a bit? Rodgers has shown that it doesn't matter who is in there - he will produce. Not so sure that Cam can do the same without Smitty.

Also, leg injuries are seemingly much more common than an injury to a throwing arm. You are pretty much guaranteed to take a hit every time you are running the ball - while passing, it is not such a sure thing.

Really? He's had amazing WRs since he stepped onto the field. Greg Jennings is a monster, Donald Driver was still a very good player for him when he first started a few years ago, Jordy Nelson would be a #2 on any other team, and James Jones got a nice extension from them as they knew he was a talented player. If anything, his O-line has been bad, and it's like he'd do good on any team regardless of O-line, but as it stands we have no idea if he'd succeed or not with bad receivers... since he's never had bad receivers.