Dynasty LB stashes for crappy teams (1 Viewer)

[Tick]

I have some crappy teams. Who should I stash in search of 80%+ snap guys?

Let's say guys below 70 on this list to try to find available players on waiver wires:
https://www.footballguys.com/rankings/duration/dynasty?pos=lb (link doesn't contain the filters, but I filtered out rankings older than 30 days).

Here's the list I come up with:

• 74. Cole Holcomb. I don't think this is likely, but there's an argument that he'll be a full time player when he's back from injury.
• 76. Drew Sanders*. Might be converted to DE, but after Singleton these guy stink.
• 80. Troy Reeder. Who knows, Rams are weird. Could be 100% or cut.
• 83. Tyrice Knight*. Looks likely, but also so far is only an 80% guy.
• 89. SirVocea Dennis. The inspiration for this - I think he's a good candidate for 100% if L.David retires.
• 110. Matt Milano. Back from injury.
• 124. DeMarvion Overshown*. WTF?
• 129. Jordan Magee. Wagner's old and bouncing around, we don't know that Magee is bad yet... seems unlikely but possible.
• 136. Christian Rozeboom*. Why not, he's a Ram and currently has the role.
• 142. Grant Stuard. Speed's a UFA. He was behind Carlies but could have passed him when he got snaps.
• 149. Mack Wilson*. Weak LBs, Kyzir is a UFA.
• UR. Jaylon Carlies. Was 3rd when injured, Speed's a UFA.
• UR. Owen Pappoe. Kyzir UFA, maybe he passes Wilson.

Who did I miss?

* = not available in any of my leagues.

@Sigmund Bloom There seems to be some kind of database problem with DeMarvion Overshown - he's getting skipped in dynasty rankings.

 

[Tick]

What about Mohamoud Diabate? Hicks is old - maybe a cut canditate?

 

[Gally]

What about Mohamoud Diabate? Hicks is old - maybe a cut canditate?

He probably depends on JOK's status which seems to be up in the air.

 

[MAC_32]

I'll add Cedric Gray, Anfernee Orji, and Darius Muasau. Carlies and Diabate are my favorite long shots you mentioned. Dennis and Milano among those with better odds.

 

[Tick]

I'll add Cedric Gray, Anfernee Orji, and Darius Muasau. Carlies and Diabate are my favorite long shots you mentioned. Dennis and Milano among those with better odds.

Orji: Good call with Demario Davis's age and Gay a UFA.
Muasau: I don't see his path - Okereke's uncuttable, McFadden's young and inexpensive and fills the second role.
Gray: Murray looks like a cut candidate, Gibbens is only an RFA so likely back, Baker's a UFA - good call. I have him on a roster and forgot about him.

 

[griffimo]

Dee Winters isn't a bad speculative grab for 2025. Greenlaw is an UDFA as is Campbell. Would think they'd keep the next man up in house and cheap if possible.

 

[Tick]

Dee Winters isn't a bad speculative grab for 2025. Greenlaw is an UDFA as is Campbell. Would think they'd keep the next man up in house and cheap if possible.

I didn't realize Greenlaw was a UDFA - good catch.

 

[scothawk]

Arise Sir Dennis.

 

[steelcityman]

With Queen and P Wilson in Pittsburgh, and Elandon Roberts too, I dont see Holcomb getting much run there next year, will probably get cut to save a bit of money, but maybe if his knee is back to good, he can latch on somewhere, or be LB4 in Pittsburgh.

Is Wallace in CAR considerable for this list, or no longer a "stash"?

 

[Gally]

Is Wallace in CAR considerable for this list, or no longer a "stash"?

I mean, if Wallace is available I would try and roster him. Once Jewell came back Wallace faded quite a bit but he has maintained 60+% snap share throughout.

 

[Ashem]

So with Overshown possibly out until 2026 with ACL, MCL, and PCL injury, is he worth keeping him?

 

[Tick]

So with Overshown possibly out until 2026 with ACL, MCL, and PCL injury, is he worth keeping him?

Hard to say - assume he'll be on PUP/IR for most of next season, so your league's IR settings make a big difference in the answer. The most important question is whether he recovers fully and is effective again.

I dropped everywhere at final offseason cuts (because I'm dumb) except for one league where he was on a taxi squad. In that league, we only have 2 IR slots and despite it being a 16-team league where we start 2-4 LBs, I'm sure I'm going to have to drop him before he comes back.

 

[Gally]

So with Overshown possibly out until 2026 with ACL, MCL, and PCL injury, is he worth keeping him?

As with all cases in deciding whether or not to drop a guy it depends on who you are dropping him for.

 

[theidpshow]

I'd rather have an open roster spot then carry Overshown for the next 20 months, hoping he looks the same after his recovery and gets a shot to play again like we saw this season.

 

[SleepyIDP]

I agree with the above. Kinda feels like Jaylon Smith all over again. Rooting for the guy though

 

[Tick]

Boy, watch your waiver wires for guys on IR - I've picked up Mosley, Bentley, and Reeder (2x) in the past week. Who knows what next year holds for any of them, but I'll hold this offseason to see.

 

[scothawk]

My trigger finger wants to cut Mosley but I didnt pull it yet. He just seems to be always broken and now a mysterious neck injury. I think I am going to hold until camp though and see if he is back or if Jets make a move at LB

 

[Tick]

My trigger finger wants to cut Mosley but I didnt pull it yet. He just seems to be always broken and now a mysterious neck injury. I think I am going to hold until camp though and see if he is back or if Jets make a move at LB

Yeah, a total question mark. At this age, he feels like he could just disappear like some other recent LB1s.

 

[Tick]

Shaq Thompson goes on that list too - he could have been dropped and could find a spot next year, though I think his contract voids in the spring.

 

[MAC_32]

Shaq Thompson goes on that list too - he could have been dropped and could find a spot next year, though I think his contract voids in the spring.

Added him this morning!

 

[Tick]

Jaylon Carlies beacon is flashing. Off the field for 1 snap only with EJ Speed out.

 

[MAC_32]

As mentioned in the Titans thread, on just 35 snaps Cedric Gray net 9 solos and 6 assists.

Carlies was a full timer, Stuard just saw 16 snaps, I assume those were base package assignments. Even if Speed is back, I wonder if a changing of the guard is on tap.

Muasau was also an unexpected full timer. May have been on his way towards a 100%er anyway, but McFadden's injury sealed it.

I wonder what SF will do now that they've been eliminated. Winters saw a bump to 76% last week while Greenlaw (UFA) only saw 4 snaps.

Also something called Jacoby Windmon net 4 solo 4 ast 1 sack 1 pd on 53 snaps. Not a starting consideration for me, but I may try to find stash space for him.

 

[Gally]

Muasau was also an unexpected full timer. May have been on his way towards a 100%er anyway, but McFadden's injury sealed it.

Okereke was also placed on IR so Musaua was going go be a full time regardless

 

[Tick]

As mentioned in the Titans thread, on just 35 snaps Cedric Gray net 9 solos and 6 assists.

Carlies was a full timer, Stuard just saw 16 snaps, I assume those were base package assignments. Even if Speed is back, I wonder if a changing of the guard is on tap.

Muasau was also an unexpected full timer. May have been on his way towards a 100%er anyway, but McFadden's injury sealed it.

I wonder what SF will do now that they've been eliminated. Winters saw a bump to 76% last week while Greenlaw (UFA) only saw 4 snaps.

Also something called Jacoby Windmon net 4 solo 4 ast 1 sack 1 pd on 53 snaps. Not a starting consideration for me, but I may try to find stash space for him.

Greenlaw got injured (again) - opposite leg from what I heard on Red Zone.

 

[Tick]

I'm looking at Bellefeuil's rankings from yesterday. I lose perspective sometimes - I'm not in any of those crazy 32-team leagues where Divine Deablo and Isaiah McDuffie are valuable because they score some points - all of my leagues are set up to emphasize shooting for upside with 36-64 LBs started each week... I just can't be rostering guys I'll never start like Malcolm Rodriguez or David Long over guys like SirVocea Dennis and Jaylon Carlies. The unproven guys won't all hit, but the proven duds have shown us they won't hit.

Anyway... can someone sell me on Ty'Ron Hopper? Seems like he's blocked to me.

Same for Jeremiah Trotter Jr.

 

[Gatorade]

Ty'Ron Harper
Right now he is LB 5 in GB. Cooper is a stud, but is not even getting 100% of the snaps. It would take injuries to 2 of the starters or for someone to leave the team next year for Harper to get playing time. He is a long term play only for teams with Taxi Squad positions. That said, his small size is not an asset with the league moving more towards running the ball this year.

 

[Rileymi]

Guys i have stashed below. Some i see a clear path, some not so much but I’m biased toward holding them for now.
Tyrel Dodson - very disappointed how this year went but i think he’s much better than Walker if he stays with Miami and last week showed he can put up points.
Luke Gifford - produces when he plays. @Bri - what’s your take on his future?
Christian Harris - injury killed him this year but next year should be much better
Matt Milano - ditto
Grant Stuard and Carlies - have them both. Talked about above
Curtis Jacobs - IR hold and NEP LBs are not great
Malik Harrison - showed flashes. Hope he gets a chance somewhere else - UFA
Jack Sanborn - same as Harrison but he’s an RFA

Happy to hear thoughts, agreements or criticisms.

 

[Gally]

Matt Milano - ditto

I just wonder if injuries have caught up to him to take the edge off his performance. He is also 30 yrs old so not really a young stash type guy. Not the kind of guy I am looking to stash in these kind of lists.

 

[Gally]

Grant Stuard and Carlies - have them both. Talked about above

I have Carlies ahead of Stuard. The Colts seem to favor him as far as play time when both were healthy. Both are good stashes as I believe Speed is a FA so there should be an opening.

 

[Gally]

Christian Harris - injury killed him this year but next year should be much better

He looked really good the last couple weeks as far as the eye test goes for me. Seemed to be around the ball a lot. Definitely on my list to kick the tires on if an owner is looking to move him.

 

[Tick]

I'll add Cedric Gray, Anfernee Orji, and Darius Muasau. Carlies and Diabate are my favorite long shots you mentioned. Dennis and Milano among those with better odds.

Orji: Good call with Demario Davis's age and Gay a UFA.
Muasau: I don't see his path - Okereke's uncuttable, McFadden's young and inexpensive and fills the second role.
Gray: Murray looks like a cut candidate, Gibbens is only an RFA so likely back, Baker's a UFA - good call. I have him on a roster and forgot about him.

Bellefeuil said on the FBG discord that Okereke has an out in his contract this offseason. I can't figure that stuff out - they've already restructured him twice and it's just confusing. That would make Muasau much more likely to get a role.

 

[Gatorade]

What about Carolina rookie Jacoby Windmon ?
He came out of no where to post good numbers the last two weeks .
Also, Carolina LB Chandler Wooten put up great numbers last week.
Do either of these have a chance to start next year ?

 

[Gally]

What about Carolina rookie Jacoby Windmon ?
He came out of no where to post good numbers the last two weeks .
Also, Carolina LB Chandler Wooten put up great numbers last week.
Do either of these have a chance to start next year ?

I would guess not if Jewell and Wallace are both healthy. The Car LB's put up solid numbers all year for whoever was getting the snaps. Not a bad dart throw just in case and see who is left standing.

 

[Bri]

Guys i have stashed below. Some i see a clear path, some not so much but I’m biased toward holding them for now.
Tyrel Dodson - very disappointed how this year went but i think he’s much better than Walker if he stays with Miami and last week showed he can put up points.
Luke Gifford - produces when he plays. @Bri - what’s your take on his future?
Christian Harris - injury killed him this year but next year should be much better
Matt Milano - ditto
Grant Stuard and Carlies - have them both. Talked about above
Curtis Jacobs - IR hold and NEP LBs are not great
Malik Harrison - showed flashes. Hope he gets a chance somewhere else - UFA
Jack Sanborn - same as Harrison but he’s an RFA

Happy to hear thoughts, agreements or criticisms.

The Titans are absurdly deep at ILB and should have traded some away.
Gifford was on their PS and probably goes back to it next year or plays elsewhere.
He's 28 or 29 and slowish.
Unfortunately, the second he loses a step he'll be done in the league and his age reminds ya of that.
I'd put the rookies and Gibbens and Campbell well above him
Vrabel loves the slowish intelligent backers because they probably remind him of him. I wouldn't be one bit surprised if he trades for one on his new team. ILB market is awful, Titans have depth, wouldn't take much.
Maybe Gifford joins Vrabel's.

I wouldn't roll the dice on him if I were you

 

[MAC_32]

I'll add Cedric Gray, Anfernee Orji, and Darius Muasau. Carlies and Diabate are my favorite long shots you mentioned. Dennis and Milano among those with better odds.

Orji: Good call with Demario Davis's age and Gay a UFA.
Muasau: I don't see his path - Okereke's uncuttable, McFadden's young and inexpensive and fills the second role.
Gray: Murray looks like a cut candidate, Gibbens is only an RFA so likely back, Baker's a UFA - good call. I have him on a roster and forgot about him.

Bellefeuil said on the FBG discord that Okereke has an out in his contract this offseason. I can't figure that stuff out - they've already restructured him twice and it's just confusing. That would make Muasau much more likely to get a role.

Sorry, must've gotten distracted and forgotten to get back to this. Yes, he has an out, but it's still not friendly for cap purposes. His cap # if on the team is $14.5 each of the next 2 years. If they cut him this year then they're still responsible for $10.9 in dead cap. They could designate him post June 1 and split it between 2 years, but that's not a lot of savings. Given their current situation, I only see them doing that if they really believe Muasau is the same or better, or they break the bank on a vet QB, eating their cap. If that comes to pass, then pencil Mausau and McFadden in as starters then find vet's near the minimum to backup and consider another mid-rounder with McFadden expiring after '25.

I can't say I've watched a single down of the Giants this year, so I won't comment on how good Okereke still is and Muasau could be. Would love feedback from someone if they have it though. The situation was just one in which I saw a path that made him worth a late season flier.

 

[MAC_32]

What about Carolina rookie Jacoby Windmon ?
He came out of no where to post good numbers the last two weeks .
Also, Carolina LB Chandler Wooten put up great numbers last week.
Do either of these have a chance to start next year ?

Windmon is probably a '26 play. Turned heads in his cameo and interesting back story, but no $ reason for Carolina to pivot off Jewell now. If that's the type that can survive spring cutdown then stash now. Otherwise, don't bother then circle back around when back-filling before next season. I stashed him where I had a 2 year taxi spot, so I can wait. Passed elsewhere.

 

[Tick]

So far, it looks like these guys have won through the first wave of free agency, with the caveat that guys like Kyzir White, EJ Speed,

• Carlies IND: Speed still unsigned, open to full time role
• Winters SFO: Greenlaw's gone, open to full time role
• Davis-Gaither: Looks like a clear lead role for now
• Elandon Roberts: Looks like a clear lead role for now
• Eichenberg: Probably the second guy in LV for now (Could be Burney)
• Milano: Still there
• Speights: Looks like a clear lead role for now, also the most barren position room this side of NYG QB
• Trevin Wallace: Thompson gone, should get the same role back
• Trenton Simpson: Malik Harrison gone... we'll see if he can do anything with the opportunity this time

Guys it didn't seem to work out for:

• Magee: Wagner back
• Orji: Demario Davis seems to still be there
• Dennis: Lavonte David back, Britt replaced by Walker
• Muasau: Okereke still there
• Liufau: Murray and Sanborn added
• Sanborn: Behind Murray, maybe fighting with Liufau
• Trotter: Baun resigned
• Pappoe: ADG in as the lead
• Stuard: LB5 in Detroit?
• Drew Sanders: Dre Greenlaw signed
• Reeder, Roseboom: Looks like neither gets another shot in LA
• Shaq Thompson, Mosley, Speed: Unsigned
• Diabate: Bush and Hicks still there, JOK still a question mark

Maybe neutral?

• Cedric Gray: Murray swapped for Barton, who might not be any better on the field
• Malik Harrison: LB3 on his team again, just in Pittsburgh now?

 

[rockaction]

Reeder, Roseboom: Looks like neither gets another shot in LA

Did some hunting and pecking on some of these guys. Nope for Rozeboom in Carolina. Now he's behind Trevin Wallace and Josey Jewell. Wallace went in the third round, Jewell in the fourth, Rozeboom is from South Dakota State was undrafted. Started for the Rams last year, but only signed a one-year deal with Carolina. He's twenty-eight.

Stuard: LB5 in Detroit?

Anzalone and Campbell are LB1 an LB2 there. Malcolm Rodriguez hurt himself at the very end of last year, so we don't know if he'll be ready. Derrick Barnes is probably LB4 and is signed through 2027. Stuard is heavy on special teams, which is probably why Detroit signed him (they love that stuff). Only signed for 1.7 million dollars, so he's even a cut candidate to LB5. Who knows?

 

[Gally]

Now he's behind Trevin Wallace and Josey Jewell. Wallace went in the third round, Jewell in the fourth, Rozeboom is from South Dakota State was undrafted. Started for the Rams last year, but only signed a one-year deal with Carolina. He's twenty-eight.

At this point I really don't think original NFL draft capital really matters with these guys. They have all been around long enough they have enough NFL tape to know what they are. Wallace maybe the exception as he is only 2nd year, but Jewell and Roseboom are what they are at this point and Jewell is much better than Roseboom.

 

[rockaction]

Now he's behind Trevin Wallace and Josey Jewell. Wallace went in the third round, Jewell in the fourth, Rozeboom is from South Dakota State was undrafted. Started for the Rams last year, but only signed a one-year deal with Carolina. He's twenty-eight.

At this point I really don't think original NFL draft capital really matters with these guys. They have all been around long enough they have enough NFL tape to know what they are. Wallace maybe the exception as he is only 2nd year, but Jewell and Roseboom are what they are at this point and Jewell is much better than Roseboom.

Trevin Wallace just got drafted in 2024, man. I think that's very relevant. He was a rookie last year, and these guys can take a few years to get up to speed. But I get what you're saying. Jewell and Rozeboom's draft capital is nowhere near as relevant. They've been in the league for a while. But that's why I point out Rozeboom's contract duration. It might be a haphazard way, but that's what I'm going for here.

Notice for the Lions blurb I'm not worried about draft capital at all but salary for the year and duration. That gives one more of a clue in that instance. Barnes just signed for 3 years at 24 million dollars, which I omitted for some reason. That was relevant to Stuard and his one-year contract for 1.7 million. The club is telling us things. But you know that.

 

[SleepyIDP]

What about James Williams in Tenn?

 

[lsutigers]

I would love to get in EJ Speed's (or his agent's) head to understand what the strategy was. I know he has some limitations but I don't even know that he'll be a starter in Houston. Might as well of signed a longer term deal since he's not likely to get the snaps to make cashing in next year fruitful. He's solidly in the stash category after the current owner drops him?

 

[MAC_32]

I would love to get in EJ Speed's (or his agent's) head to understand what the strategy was. I know he has some limitations but I don't even know that he'll be a starter in Houston. Might as well of signed a longer term deal since he's not likely to get the snaps to make cashing in next year fruitful. He's solidly in the stash category after the current owner drops him?

Spillane got the biggest ILB contract this offseason - at just 2 yrs, $23m gtd. No one else got a multi-yr deal and the most gtd was Greenlaw at $11.5m.

 

[rockaction]

I would love to get in EJ Speed's (or his agent's) head to understand what the strategy was. I know he has some limitations but I don't even know that he'll be a starter in Houston. Might as well of signed a longer term deal since he's not likely to get the snaps to make cashing in next year fruitful. He's solidly in the stash category after the current owner drops him?

Spillane got the biggest ILB contract this offseason - at just 2 yrs, $23m gtd. No one else got a multi-yr deal and the most gtd was Greenlaw at $11.5m.

Greenlaw got a multi-year deal. Spillane's was 3-37M with 20.6M and an out after 2026 and Greenlaw's was 3-31.5M with 13.5 guaranteed and an out after 2025, according to Spotrac. Of course, those might include roster bonuses and be structured in ways that make the extra years team options, and I know you bring your own shorthand to the table, but these are the print details if not the functional ones. It's helpful to look at. Some of these teams might pick up the team options and pay the guarantees in the end. It happens.

 

[Tick]

With Bentley's release and the Patriots matching the RFA offer for Christian Elliss, he's one of the winners I didn't see coming.

 

[MAC_32]

With Bentley's release and the Patriots matching the RFA offer for Christian Elliss, he's one of the winners I didn't see coming.

Maybe, but I'd still bet on him being an under 80%er

 

[rockaction]

With Bentley's release and the Patriots matching the RFA offer for Christian Elliss, he's one of the winners I didn't see coming.

Maybe, but I'd still bet on him being an under 80%er

I roster him and was thrilled at the news he was going to the Raiders, so I was crestfallen when NE matched given their reputation and their current situation. Then Bentley got released and I thought, “Maybe . . .”, but I think you’re right about Elliss not being an over 80% snap share guy. They’ve got Spillane at the dollar amount he makes plus others like Tavai.

I think that all depends on a few things, though. We think of the Pats as constantly rotating guys, but what does Vrabel do? There’s no Belichick nor Mayo nor really anyone on defense from that coaching tree. If it’s a front office philosophy then Elliss isn’t likely to see a large snap share.

According to Bri (and I’ve noticed in deed), Vrabel is awfully tough on his linebackers, whom he judges harshly given that it’s his former position. So who is the apple of his eye and does he normally stick with two or does he sub in and out constantly? If he does sub situationally and often, who will leave the field on third down? We know Spillane is a downhill thumper, and that Elliss is stronger in coverage, so does Spillane come off on passing downs? Does Elliss come off during obvious rushing situations?

@Bri might be able to help us into insights about Vrabel if only I could get the @ thing to work in my phone.

There we go. What say you, bud?

 

[MAC_32]

With Bentley's release and the Patriots matching the RFA offer for Christian Elliss, he's one of the winners I didn't see coming.

Maybe, but I'd still bet on him being an under 80%er

I roster him and was thrilled at the news he was going to the Raiders, so I was crestfallen when NE matched given their reputation and their current situation. Then Bentley got released and I thought, “Maybe . . .”, but I think you’re right about Elliss not being an over 80% snap share guy. They’ve got Spillane at the dollar amount he makes plus others like Tavai.

I think that all depends on a few things, though. We think of the Pats as constantly rotating guys, but what does Vrabel do? There’s no Belichick nor Mayo nor really anyone on defense from that coaching tree. If it’s a front office philosophy then Elliss isn’t likely to see a large snap share.

According to Bri (and I’ve noticed in deed), Vrabel is awfully tough on his linebackers, whom he judges harshly given that it’s his former position. So who is the apple of his eye and does he normally stick with two or does he sub in and out constantly? If he does sub situationally and often, who will leave the field on third down? We know Spillane is a downhill thumper, and that Elliss is stronger in coverage, so does Spillane come off on passing downs? Does Elliss come off during obvious rushing situations?

@Bri might be able to help us into insights about Vrabel if only I could get the @ thing to work in my phone.

There we go. What say you, bud?

He generally leans on someone as a 100%er with complimentary options around him, so given the size of the contract I suspect the 100%er is Spillane.

 

[rockaction]

Bummer, but thanks for the insight. That sounds right, too. It seems that now that you’ve said it, Vrabel would have a particular guy on at all times and then guys in orbit around that guy.

Who was the TN linebacker that always played in the late teens and early ‘20s? They drafted Rashaan Evans in the first or second round but he was always a rotational piece around this guy, IIRC. I’ll look it up. Jayon Brown. Evans never could stay on the field for enough snaps with Brown, who was a fifth-round pick, on the field.

 

[Bri]

With Bentley's release and the Patriots matching the RFA offer for Christian Elliss, he's one of the winners I didn't see coming.

Maybe, but I'd still bet on him being an under 80%er

I roster him and was thrilled at the news he was going to the Raiders, so I was crestfallen when NE matched given their reputation and their current situation. Then Bentley got released and I thought, “Maybe . . .”, but I think you’re right about Elliss not being an over 80% snap share guy. They’ve got Spillane at the dollar amount he makes plus others like Tavai.

I think that all depends on a few things, though. We think of the Pats as constantly rotating guys, but what does Vrabel do? There’s no Belichick nor Mayo nor really anyone on defense from that coaching tree. If it’s a front office philosophy then Elliss isn’t likely to see a large snap share.

According to Bri (and I’ve noticed in deed), Vrabel is awfully tough on his linebackers, whom he judges harshly given that it’s his former position. So who is the apple of his eye and does he normally stick with two or does he sub in and out constantly? If he does sub situationally and often, who will leave the field on third down? We know Spillane is a downhill thumper, and that Elliss is stronger in coverage, so does Spillane come off on passing downs? Does Elliss come off during obvious rushing situations?

@Bri might be able to help us into insights about Vrabel if only I could get the @ thing to work in my phone.

There we go. What say you, bud?

I think you'll know in camp.
He has an affinity for Gibby and Spillane is the one that got away.
Gibby is slow and smart and reminds me of old age Zach Thomas not young Zach.
Spillane is up there in age.

I think he's going to move them around and try things because he wants the right combo so I think you'll have to wait til camp unfortunately