[DYNASTY] Matt Forte (2 Viewers)

[Ghost Rider]

Forte is RB 36 right now.

Barely startable as an RB3LOL @ anyone trying to use his game against DET as evidence he's not terrible at running. At one point he was averaging like 2.5 YPC against DET! He had the one long run, but if you watched the game, he looked pretty awful overall.

His first run was 61 yards.....PLEASE tell me how at any point during the game he averaged 2.5 ypc.

His next 10 carries went for 23 yards total... that's 2.3 YPC he was averaging during that stretch

Cherry-picking again to denigrate a player you have an obvious bias against. You are so freaking predictable.

 

[thehornet]

He got it going today. Competition wasnt good, but at least he got it done.

 

[tdmills]

His next 10 carries went for 23 yards total... that's 2.3 YPC he was averaging during that stretch

If you watched the game, and didn't just look at the stats, you would have seen he didn't really look good at all.

I watched the entire game....your trying to explain his game in stats.He is injured....everyone can see that....however he still had a very productive game.

And you still think he looked good? Not a chance.As for him being injured? When has that been an excuse for RBs LOL....

When it is noted in training camp....and last week when they leave the game with a knee injury.How is Felix? lol

 

[PahtyTom]

Guy averaged over 10 yards a carry yesterday. Is it his fault they got up by a lot in the 2nd half and didn't need to abuse him? It's hard to do more with 12 carries than he did. And Detroit's run defense isn't awful. It's not good, but it's not in the Houston, TB, Cleveland realm of sucky-ness either. He's banged up, and anyone who thinks he isn't talented is mistaken. He ran a 4.44 40 yard dash at close to 220 lbs. He's not slow. He is a great pass blocker and pass catcher. Guy is a stud and a gamer, end of story.

 

[switz]

His next 10 carries went for 23 yards total... that's 2.3 YPC he was averaging during that stretch

If you watched the game, and didn't just look at the stats, you would have seen he didn't really look good at all.

I watched the entire game....your trying to explain his game in stats.He is injured....everyone can see that....however he still had a very productive game.

And you still think he looked good? Not a chance.As for him being injured? When has that been an excuse for RBs LOL....

When it is noted in training camp....and last week when they leave the game with a knee injury.How is Felix? lol

Not sure what he has to do with Forte, but he's averaging nearly 3x the YPC Forte is, more rushing yards per game played, and has scored as many rushing TDs, while being drafted in the 8th or 9th round, not in the top 5 picks by most of his owners. I'm guessing Jones owners are much happier with him, that Forte owners are with Forte.As for the injury, my point was... in reference to most RBs that's a negative... apparently in regards to Forte it's just an excuse.

 

[twistd]

LOL @ anyone trying to use his game against DET as evidence he's not terrible at running. At one point he was averaging like 2.5 YPC against DET! He had the one long run, but if you watched the game, he looked pretty awful overall.

His first run was 61 yards.....PLEASE tell me how at any point during the game he averaged 2.5 ypc.

His next 10 carries went for 23 yards total... that's 2.3 YPC he was averaging during that stretch

Thats sad that your attempting this Switz......

If you watched the game, and didn't just look at the stats, you would have seen he didn't really look good at all.

I've watched every game so far. He hasn't looked that much different from last year. The offensive line has really struggled in run blocking. He was starting to get some holes in this game, and he started to produce. For your information, Forte is the first back to have 100 yards on the Lions this year. AP didn't, and Portis didn't. So they aren't that bad against the run. Forte is a very good back, who has quick feet, good lateral quickness, and does everything well. He blocks and can catch well. He doesn't have the power of Jacobs or Barber. He doesn't have the overall speed of AP or DeAngelo Williams, but he is a very good back. When the Bears start run blocking he will be fine.

 

[VAColt]

Forte is RB 36 right now.

Barely startable as an RB3LOL @ anyone trying to use his game against DET as evidence he's not terrible at running. At one point he was averaging like 2.5 YPC against DET! He had the one long run, but if you watched the game, he looked pretty awful overall.

Its sad when people just post blatent misinformation and make sh$% up to be right. Obviously anything you post has to taken with a grain of salt after something like this. Do you even watch football? Having watch most of their games what I have seen is missed pionts for Forte this year. Game one he should of had a TD on an inside screen at the goal line Jolly made an excellent play for the int. Yesterday on Cutlers TD run Forte fell down on a chip block that was a screen out to the right from the 5 so cutler had to run when Forte couldn't get up quick enough. Then wolfe came in for the last drive and scored a TD. In my league 2 more TD's puts him in the top 10. All that being said I could see why people might want to move him due to the ball being spread around more ans seemingly less over all touches. Who are you trading him for Kevin Smith? I dont think your getting ADP for him. I still think at the end of the year he is in the top 10.

 

[switz]

Forte is RB 36 right now.

Barely startable as an RB3LOL @ anyone trying to use his game against DET as evidence he's not terrible at running. At one point he was averaging like 2.5 YPC against DET! He had the one long run, but if you watched the game, he looked pretty awful overall.

Its sad when people just post blatent misinformation and make sh$% up to be right.

I did neither of what you posted. And if you watched the game he looked bad.LOL again at all the Forte owners trying to puff out their chests after a good game against a horrible D by their first round mistake. It was DETROIT! And he's been pretty bad all season long.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Forte is RB 36 right now.

Barely startable as an RB3LOL @ anyone trying to use his game against DET as evidence he's not terrible at running. At one point he was averaging like 2.5 YPC against DET! He had the one long run, but if you watched the game, he looked pretty awful overall.

Its sad when people just post blatent misinformation and make sh$% up to be right.

I did neither of what you posted.

Yes, you did. You said, "At one point he was averaging like 2.5 YPC against DET," which is 100% not true. Averaging 2.5 over a certain amount of carries does not mean he was averaging 2.5 YPC for the game, FYI.

LOL again at all the Forte owners trying to puff out their chests after a good game against a horrible D by their first round mistake. It was DETROIT!

The same Detroit defense that held Adrian Peterson to under 100 yards?

 

[RBM]

I did neither of what you posted.

Yes, you did. You said, "At one point he was averaging like 2.5 YPC against DET," which is 100% not true. Averaging 2.5 over a certain amount of carries does not mean he was averaging 2.5 YPC for the game, FYI.

LOL again at all the Forte owners trying to puff out their chests after a good game against a horrible D by their first round mistake. It was DETROIT!

The same Detroit defense that held Adrian Peterson to under 100 yards?

Ha wow. What are you doing switz? Thats some epic bad posting

 

[tdmills]

His next 10 carries went for 23 yards total... that's 2.3 YPC he was averaging during that stretch

If you watched the game, and didn't just look at the stats, you would have seen he didn't really look good at all.

I watched the entire game....your trying to explain his game in stats.He is injured....everyone can see that....however he still had a very productive game.

And you still think he looked good? Not a chance.As for him being injured? When has that been an excuse for RBs LOL....

When it is noted in training camp....and last week when they leave the game with a knee injury.How is Felix? lol

Not sure what he has to do with Forte, but he's averaging nearly 3x the YPC Forte is, more rushing yards per game played, and has scored as many rushing TDs, while being drafted in the 8th or 9th round, not in the top 5 picks by most of his owners. I'm guessing Jones owners are much happier with him, that Forte owners are with Forte.As for the injury, my point was... in reference to most RBs that's a negative... apparently in regards to Forte it's just an excuse.

I'm obviously picking fun b/c your a Felix homer.But the injury isn't an excuse if they r facts....he is still out there. Ryan Grant owners blame the hamstring for the early season issues.....why should that be different for Forte?

 

[switz]

Yes, you did. You said, "At one point he was averaging like 2.5 YPC against DET," which is 100% not true. Averaging 2.5 over a certain amount of carries does not mean he was averaging 2.5 YPC for the game, FYI.

Thanks for pointing out you don't know how to read... I didn't say "for the game"... you did. Instead of reading what I wrote, you assumed something that wasn't written there. I clearly said "at one point" not "for the game." As for holding AP under 100, Peterson averaged 6+ YPC against them, without needing a 61 yard run to inflate his stats. He was productive on pretty much every carry, and barely saw a carry in the 4th quarter as MIN was dominating DET so much they let Taylor finish out the game.

 

[tdmills]

Yes, you did. You said, "At one point he was averaging like 2.5 YPC against DET," which is 100% not true. Averaging 2.5 over a certain amount of carries does not mean he was averaging 2.5 YPC for the game, FYI.

Thanks for pointing out you don't know how to read... I didn't say "for the game"... you did. Instead of reading what I wrote, you assumed something that wasn't written there. I clearly said "at one point" not "for the game." As for holding AP under 100, Peterson averaged 6+ YPC against them, without needing a 61 yard run to inflate his stats. He was productive on pretty much every carry, and barely saw a carry in the 4th quarter as MIN was dominating DET so much they let Taylor finish out the game.

Oh so "at one point" and "for the game" are different. Most would think that at one point......would mean....from start of the game to a certain point of the game. Not excluding this carry....then for the next 10 carries....but then exclude the last carry.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Yes, you did. You said, "At one point he was averaging like 2.5 YPC against DET," which is 100% not true. Averaging 2.5 over a certain amount of carries does not mean he was averaging 2.5 YPC for the game, FYI.

Thanks for pointing out you don't know how to read... I didn't say "for the game"... you did. Instead of reading what I wrote, you assumed something that wasn't written there. I clearly said "at one point" not "for the game." As for holding AP under 100, Peterson averaged 6+ YPC against them, without needing a 61 yard run to inflate his stats. He was productive on pretty much every carry, and barely saw a carry in the 4th quarter as MIN was dominating DET so much they let Taylor finish out the game.

Oh so "at one point" and "for the game" are different. Most would think that at one point......would mean....from start of the game to a certain point of the game. Not excluding this carry....then for the next 10 carries....but then exclude the last carry.

Exactly. Hey, did you guys see that game where Adrian Peterson was at one point averaging 2.0 YPC. I mean, he had 145 on his other 19 carries, but on those three carries in the 2nd quarter, he only gained 6 yards. God, he sucks. /switz

 

[Chunky Soup]

Yes, you did. You said, "At one point he was averaging like 2.5 YPC against DET," which is 100% not true. Averaging 2.5 over a certain amount of carries does not mean he was averaging 2.5 YPC for the game, FYI.

Thanks for pointing out you don't know how to read... I didn't say "for the game"... you did. Instead of reading what I wrote, you assumed something that wasn't written there. I clearly said "at one point" not "for the game." As for holding AP under 100, Peterson averaged 6+ YPC against them, without needing a 61 yard run to inflate his stats. He was productive on pretty much every carry, and barely saw a carry in the 4th quarter as MIN was dominating DET so much they let Taylor finish out the game.

I think ADP was better, sure, but do you need to do this? Please stop posting BS. I dunno if it makes you feel better, but your arguments almost always contain factual errors or stretched truths.As to Forte and his 61 yarder vs ADP not needing a long run to inflate his stats:

Forte had 10+ YPC and if you take out his long run he had 5.4+ YPC.

ADP had 6+ YPC and if you take out his long run he had 4.3 YPC.

Each required a decently big run to get their stats...big deal?

And your "productive on pretty much ever carry" comment was "pretty much" made up. 7 of his 15 carries went for 3 yards or less.

As to ADP not being needed in the 4th:

Minn also wasn't dominating DET -- they were up 20-10. ADP saw the first two carries of the fourth quarter on a quickly ending drive. Next drive started in DET redzone and Favre threw 3 straight times. Now CT came in for the last 3 carries....big deal? To say the least, your ADP "barely saw a carry in the 4th quarter as MIN was dominating DET so much they let Taylor finish out the game" comment was very misleading. ADP had 2 carries in the 4th quarter, CT had 3 in a relatively close game.

So yes, by my count nearly everything you stated was stretched or not true.

ETA: And even more: see below/above for the 2.5 ypc at one point nonsense. Seriously dude?

 

[Statcruncher]

Yes, you did. You said, "At one point he was averaging like 2.5 YPC against DET," which is 100% not true. Averaging 2.5 over a certain amount of carries does not mean he was averaging 2.5 YPC for the game, FYI.

Thanks for pointing out you don't know how to read... I didn't say "for the game"... you did. Instead of reading what I wrote, you assumed something that wasn't written there. I clearly said "at one point" not "for the game."

I went back to TiVo and froze it 2.5 yards into Forte's first carry. Even though it ultimately went for 61 yards, Switz was right. At that exact point in the game he was averaging a mere 2.5 yards per carry. That was not only his average up to that point, but that was his average for the entire game at that point as well. Switz knows his stuff.

 

[Chunky Soup]

Yes, you did. You said, "At one point he was averaging like 2.5 YPC against DET," which is 100% not true. Averaging 2.5 over a certain amount of carries does not mean he was averaging 2.5 YPC for the game, FYI.

Thanks for pointing out you don't know how to read... I didn't say "for the game"... you did. Instead of reading what I wrote, you assumed something that wasn't written there. I clearly said "at one point" not "for the game."

I went back to TiVo and froze it 2.5 yards into Forte's first carry. Even though it ultimately went for 61 yards, Switz was right. At that exact point in the game he was averaging a mere 2.5 yards per carry. That was not only his average up to that point, but that was his average for the entire game at that point as well. Switz knows his stuff.

 

[bradrh070]

Yes, you did. You said, "At one point he was averaging like 2.5 YPC against DET," which is 100% not true. Averaging 2.5 over a certain amount of carries does not mean he was averaging 2.5 YPC for the game, FYI.

Thanks for pointing out you don't know how to read... I didn't say "for the game"... you did. Instead of reading what I wrote, you assumed something that wasn't written there. I clearly said "at one point" not "for the game."

Everyone on the internet is now dumber.

 

[EBF]

Sometimes even a blind squirrel finds a nut. One good game doesn't erase three weeks of epic fail.

 

[VAColt]

Sometimes even a blind squirrel finds a nut. One good game doesn't erase three weeks of epic fail.

What makes for epic fail? CJ had one game for 57 points but the other 3 were 6, 9 and 10 or MJD 17, 7, 34,9 or Gore 16, 44, 0, 0 or Dwill 13,15,7 ADP 40,19,9,? No one has been consistant at this point outside of maybe R Brown

 

[Football Jones]

It amazes me after the kind of talent Forte displayed last season that people went into this year still questioning him as a top FF RB. His talent sticks out like a sore thumb (in a good way). No doubt he's playing hurt this year, yet he's out there grinding. It's blatantly evident to anybody that's familiar with him. His burst & power are being hampered by whatever is bothering him (likely the same injury he had in TC), but remember, Forte has scored more points every week.

Maybe he'll be close to 100% after the bye. If so, you're going to see the same Forte you saw last season, only with more help from his fellow skill players. The OL still isn't very good, but it's probably better than last year.

Lots of RBs are struggling this year. Things have changed. When you consider Forte's talent, situation, toughness, work ethic, & attitude, the list of RBs I prefer to him is short (really short).

 

[PahtyTom]

It amazes me after the kind of talent Forte displayed last season that people went into this year still questioning him as a top FF RB. His talent sticks out like a sore thumb (in a good way). No doubt he's playing hurt this year, yet he's out there grinding. It's blatantly evident to anybody that's familiar with him. His burst & power are being hampered by whatever is bothering him (likely the same injury he had in TC), but remember, Forte has scored more points every week.

Maybe he'll be close to 100% after the bye. If so, you're going to see the same Forte you saw last season, only with more help from his fellow skill players. The OL still isn't very good, but it's probably better than last year.

Lots of RBs are struggling this year. Things have changed. When you consider Forte's talent, situation, toughness, work ethic, & attitude, the list of RBs I prefer to him is short (really short).

/end thread

 

[corpcow]

It amazes me after the kind of talent Forte displayed last season that people went into this year still questioning him as a top FF RB. His talent sticks out like a sore thumb (in a good way). No doubt he's playing hurt this year, yet he's out there grinding. It's blatantly evident to anybody that's familiar with him. His burst & power are being hampered by whatever is bothering him (likely the same injury he had in TC), but remember, Forte has scored more points every week.

Maybe he'll be close to 100% after the bye. If so, you're going to see the same Forte you saw last season, only with more help from his fellow skill players. The OL still isn't very good, but it's probably better than last year.

Lots of RBs are struggling this year. Things have changed. When you consider Forte's talent, situation, toughness, work ethic, & attitude, the list of RBs I prefer to him is short (really short).

... except what myself, EBF and others have been saying from the start is that he didn't show extraordinary talent last year, he showed extraordinary opportunity. Even when he was putting up elite FF numbers, I never thought he was an elite RB worth a top 5 pick.

 

[SSOG]

Sometimes even a blind squirrel finds a nut. One good game doesn't erase three weeks of epic fail.

What makes for epic fail? CJ had one game for 57 points but the other 3 were 6, 9 and 10 or MJD 17, 7, 34,9 or Gore 16, 44, 0, 0 or Dwill 13,15,7 ADP 40,19,9,? No one has been consistant at this point outside of maybe R Brown

This whole thread started because people were confusing fantasy production with NFL talent. MJD/Gore/Williams might not have been fantasy productive through 4 weeks, but they've been very NFL-productive through four weeks.

 

[Football Jones]

It amazes me after the kind of talent Forte displayed last season that people went into this year still questioning him as a top FF RB. His talent sticks out like a sore thumb (in a good way). No doubt he's playing hurt this year, yet he's out there grinding. It's blatantly evident to anybody that's familiar with him. His burst & power are being hampered by whatever is bothering him (likely the same injury he had in TC), but remember, Forte has scored more points every week.

Maybe he'll be close to 100% after the bye. If so, you're going to see the same Forte you saw last season, only with more help from his fellow skill players. The OL still isn't very good, but it's probably better than last year.

Lots of RBs are struggling this year. Things have changed. When you consider Forte's talent, situation, toughness, work ethic, & attitude, the list of RBs I prefer to him is short (really short).

... except what myself, EBF and others have been saying from the start is that he didn't show extraordinary talent last year, he showed extraordinary opportunity. Even when he was putting up elite FF numbers, I never thought he was an elite RB worth a top 5 pick.

Except that he did show tremendous talent. The kind of loose hips & quick feet you rarely see in a bigger-type RB. Not only that, he's one of the very best receiving backs in the league...& an outstanding blocker to boot. I simply don't understand why people didn't see what I was seeing last season (& what some other people saw). Totally disgaree with those who say he's an average talent. In fact, I couldn't disagree more.Now is the time to get him if you're one of the believers. His price will never be lower. That's if his owner is even interested. Anyway, it gets kind of tiresome going back & forth every week. Why don't we wait & visit this at the end of the season? My guess is he'll finish as a top RB as long as he can get healthy.

 

[Biabreakable]

Forte week 1 at Packers 25 carries 55 yards

Adrian Peterson week 4 vs Packers 25 carries 55 yards.Maybe Green Bay is playing the run better than people realize. I think the game plan was very much meant to stop the run and since the defense is vulnerable to the pass (especialy if they are in a run pinch or contain). So why run into the strength of the defense when you have better chances with the pass?I don't think it is that big a strech that Green Bays defensive game plan was very similar against the Bears in week 1. As although the Bears have Cutler now Forte is still the main weapon Green Bay had to focus on stopping. Especialy week 1 with no film on Bears with Cutler besides preseason to work with.Fortes other bad game was against the Steelers. Do I need to explain that?So maybe AD is a bust too.

 

[Instinctive]

It amazes me after the kind of talent Forte displayed last season that people went into this year still questioning him as a top FF RB. His talent sticks out like a sore thumb (in a good way). No doubt he's playing hurt this year, yet he's out there grinding. It's blatantly evident to anybody that's familiar with him. His burst & power are being hampered by whatever is bothering him (likely the same injury he had in TC), but remember, Forte has scored more points every week.

Maybe he'll be close to 100% after the bye. If so, you're going to see the same Forte you saw last season, only with more help from his fellow skill players. The OL still isn't very good, but it's probably better than last year.

Lots of RBs are struggling this year. Things have changed. When you consider Forte's talent, situation, toughness, work ethic, & attitude, the list of RBs I prefer to him is short (really short).

... except what myself, EBF and others have been saying from the start is that he didn't show extraordinary talent last year, he showed extraordinary opportunity. Even when he was putting up elite FF numbers, I never thought he was an elite RB worth a top 5 pick.

Except that he did show tremendous talent. The kind of loose hips & quick feet you rarely see in a bigger-type RB. Not only that, he's one of the very best receiving backs in the league...& an outstanding blocker to boot. I simply don't understand why people didn't see what I was seeing last season (& what some other people saw). Totally disgaree with those who say he's an average talent. In fact, I couldn't disagree more.Now is the time to get him if you're one of the believers. His price will never be lower. That's if his owner is even interested. Anyway, it gets kind of tiresome going back & forth every week. Why don't we wait & visit this at the end of the season? My guess is he'll finish as a top RB as long as he can get healthy.

Tremendous talent? Nope. Massive opportunity that led to good overall stats with a meager ypc and also a meager ypr? Yes.He's also not that big, so shoudl have loose hips and such which you mention...then again you'd think a guy with that much talent would be getting more yards per carry but don't let logic get in the way...

We didn't see what you saw because we used our eyes and not the overall endgame totals...

 

[jurb26]

Forte week 1 at Packers 25 carries 55 yards

Adrian Peterson week 4 vs Packers 25 carries 55 yards.Maybe Green Bay is playing the run better than people realize. I think the game plan was very much meant to stop the run and since the defense is vulnerable to the pass (especialy if they are in a run pinch or contain). So why run into the strength of the defense when you have better chances with the pass?I don't think it is that big a strech that Green Bays defensive game plan was very similar against the Bears in week 1. As although the Bears have Cutler now Forte is still the main weapon Green Bay had to focus on stopping. Especialy week 1 with no film on Bears with Cutler besides preseason to work with.Fortes other bad game was against the Steelers. Do I need to explain that?So maybe AD is a bust too.

3/4 Defenses are traditionally more difficult to run.

 

[SSOG]

Forte week 1 at Packers 25 carries 55 yards

Adrian Peterson week 4 vs Packers 25 carries 55 yards.Maybe Green Bay is playing the run better than people realize. I think the game plan was very much meant to stop the run and since the defense is vulnerable to the pass (especialy if they are in a run pinch or contain). So why run into the strength of the defense when you have better chances with the pass?I don't think it is that big a strech that Green Bays defensive game plan was very similar against the Bears in week 1. As although the Bears have Cutler now Forte is still the main weapon Green Bay had to focus on stopping. Especialy week 1 with no film on Bears with Cutler besides preseason to work with.Fortes other bad game was against the Steelers. Do I need to explain that?So maybe AD is a bust too.

So... you've got an explanation for his bad game against the Packers... and you've got an explanation for his bad game against the Steelers. Where's your explanation for his bad game against the Seahawks? And what's your explanation for the fact that you have to come up with an explanation for 75% of his game so far this year? Or your explanation for the fact that the only game that hasn't needed an explanation so far was the game against the worst team in the league?This definitely needs further explanation.

 

[Football Jones]

It amazes me after the kind of talent Forte displayed last season that people went into this year still questioning him as a top FF RB. His talent sticks out like a sore thumb (in a good way). No doubt he's playing hurt this year, yet he's out there grinding. It's blatantly evident to anybody that's familiar with him. His burst & power are being hampered by whatever is bothering him (likely the same injury he had in TC), but remember, Forte has scored more points every week.

Maybe he'll be close to 100% after the bye. If so, you're going to see the same Forte you saw last season, only with more help from his fellow skill players. The OL still isn't very good, but it's probably better than last year.

Lots of RBs are struggling this year. Things have changed. When you consider Forte's talent, situation, toughness, work ethic, & attitude, the list of RBs I prefer to him is short (really short).

... except what myself, EBF and others have been saying from the start is that he didn't show extraordinary talent last year, he showed extraordinary opportunity. Even when he was putting up elite FF numbers, I never thought he was an elite RB worth a top 5 pick.

Except that he did show tremendous talent. The kind of loose hips & quick feet you rarely see in a bigger-type RB. Not only that, he's one of the very best receiving backs in the league...& an outstanding blocker to boot. I simply don't understand why people didn't see what I was seeing last season (& what some other people saw). Totally disgaree with those who say he's an average talent. In fact, I couldn't disagree more.Now is the time to get him if you're one of the believers. His price will never be lower. That's if his owner is even interested. Anyway, it gets kind of tiresome going back & forth every week. Why don't we wait & visit this at the end of the season? My guess is he'll finish as a top RB as long as he can get healthy.

Tremendous talent? Nope. Massive opportunity that led to good overall stats with a meager ypc and also a meager ypr? Yes.He's also not that big, so shoudl have loose hips and such which you mention...then again you'd think a guy with that much talent would be getting more yards per carry but don't let logic get in the way...

We didn't see what you saw because we used our eyes and not the overall endgame totals...

Exactly. Having an eye for talent is probably the single most important ingredient for success in our hobby. You do have to use your eyes, & that's the downfall of many a FFer. Yet when analyzing Forte, people bring up the YPC argument. If you didn't see the kind of talent he displayed last season, you didn't see it. Simple.Anyway, not only is he a good RB, he's an outstanding FF RB. And remember, we play FF, not real-world football. When you combine his running & catching ability, & then put him in the situation he's in (which is very good), it can't get much better as far as a FF RB. Forte will have a long & illustrious FF career, IMO. Some like him, some don't. Eventually, one group will be proven right.

 

[Biabreakable]

Forte week 1 at Packers 25 carries 55 yards

Adrian Peterson week 4 vs Packers 25 carries 55 yards.Maybe Green Bay is playing the run better than people realize. I think the game plan was very much meant to stop the run and since the defense is vulnerable to the pass (especialy if they are in a run pinch or contain). So why run into the strength of the defense when you have better chances with the pass?I don't think it is that big a strech that Green Bays defensive game plan was very similar against the Bears in week 1. As although the Bears have Cutler now Forte is still the main weapon Green Bay had to focus on stopping. Especialy week 1 with no film on Bears with Cutler besides preseason to work with.Fortes other bad game was against the Steelers. Do I need to explain that?So maybe AD is a bust too.

So... you've got an explanation for his bad game against the Packers... and you've got an explanation for his bad game against the Steelers. Where's your explanation for his bad game against the Seahawks? And what's your explanation for the fact that you have to come up with an explanation for 75% of his game so far this year? Or your explanation for the fact that the only game that hasn't needed an explanation so far was the game against the worst team in the league?This definitely needs further explanation.

Forte had over 100 combined yards against the Seahawks. I don't call that a bad game.Maybe it is taking awhile for the new Oline/Cutler/Forte to gel and all get comfortable playing together now that the games are real.

 

[corpcow]

Exactly. Having an eye for talent is probably the single most important ingredient for success in our hobby. You do have to use your eyes, & that's the downfall of many a FFer. Yet when analyzing Forte, people bring up the YPC argument. If you can't see the kind of talent he displayed last season, you didn't see it. Simple.

Anyway, not only is he a good RB, he's an outstanding FF RB. And remember, we play FF, not real-world football. When you combine his running & catching ability, & then put him in the situation he's in (which is a good one), it can't get much better as far as an FF RB. Forte will have a long & illustrious FF career, IMO. Some like him, some don't. Eventually, one group will be proven right.

Honestly... outside of making a few nice catches, I really wasn't impressed with him last year, and I said that last year before we saw him do this. I certainly think he's an above average back - I definitely would NOT consider him "outstanding". The real problem with Forte - as I keep saying - is that he's valued like an elite, top 5 RB and I don't think the talent - or the opportunity anymore - justifies that valuation. And from a dynasty perspective, he really scares me because above-average backs have a tendency to be replaced when better talents come along. (I'll once again throw out Chester Taylor as an example here).

I think we've already seen his upside - I would feel pretty confident saying that his best year will probably be his rookie year - and for all the reasons I already discussed I think he has significant downside to the point where he may not even be an NFL starting RB in a year or two. If I had him, I would have sold this offseason (as I did with Slaton in many leagues) when I think his value was probably at its peak.

And even with a slight dip in cost due to his performance so far this year, I still don't see him as a good investment now if you're buying.

Just my opinion - sure, I could be wrong, but I feel pretty confident saying Forte will probably not be a perennial top 5 back which is still his cost. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he never had a top 5 SEASON again. (Note he scored a LOT more points in PPR too, and that was due to Sgt. Swing Pass or Capt. Checkdown who is making the DEN backs look just as good there). Last year was a perfect storm of opportunity that I don't see likely to happen again.

 

[SSOG]

Forte had over 100 combined yards against the Seahawks. I don't call that a bad game.

Not a bad game in fantasy football terms, but it was a really, really bad game in NFL terms. He averaged 3.1 yards per carry on 20+ carries against a terrible run defense missing two of its starting linebackers. He averaged 6 and a half yards per reception. If an RB had a game with 80 carries for 100 yards, that would be a fine game by fantasy standards, but he would be single-handedly responsible for his team losing (since the team probably only ran 80 offensive plays a game, and he wasted all of them getting one and a quarter yards a pop).Matt Forte has crippled his team offensively so far this season. He keeps leaving his team in obvious passing situations, which generally results in offensive doom (the success of any given drive is strongly correlated to how well it avoids obvious passing situations). His success rate coming into week 3 was 32%, which ranked 37th in the league... but unlike traditional boom/bust RBs, he had no big plays, making him a bust/bust RB. Yes, he finally brought the boom in week 4, but I think it's perfectly legitimate to ask how much of that was a result of it being the Detroit Freaking Lions. And before the "have you even watched the games!" crowd rears its ugly head... yes, I have watched the games. I've seen two Chicago games so far- week 1 and week 2. In both games, he was a liability on offense. I didn't think he was great coming into the season, and nothing I've seen so far this year has done anything other than reinforce that belief.

 

[Biabreakable]

Exactly. Having an eye for talent is probably the single most important ingredient for success in our hobby. You do have to use your eyes, & that's the downfall of many a FFer. Yet when analyzing Forte, people bring up the YPC argument. If you can't see the kind of talent he displayed last season, you didn't see it. Simple.

Anyway, not only is he a good RB, he's an outstanding FF RB. And remember, we play FF, not real-world football. When you combine his running & catching ability, & then put him in the situation he's in (which is a good one), it can't get much better as far as an FF RB. Forte will have a long & illustrious FF career, IMO. Some like him, some don't. Eventually, one group will be proven right.

Honestly... outside of making a few nice catches, I really wasn't impressed with him last year, and I said that last year before we saw him do this. I certainly think he's an above average back - I definitely would NOT consider him "outstanding". The real problem with Forte - as I keep saying - is that he's valued like an elite, top 5 RB and I don't think the talent - or the opportunity anymore - justifies that valuation. And from a dynasty perspective, he really scares me because above-average backs have a tendency to be replaced when better talents come along. (I'll once again throw out Chester Taylor as an example here).

I think we've already seen his upside - I would feel pretty confident saying that his best year will probably be his rookie year - and for all the reasons I already discussed I think he has significant downside to the point where he may not even be an NFL starting RB in a year or two. If I had him, I would have sold this offseason (as I did with Slaton in many leagues) when I think his value was probably at its peak.

And even with a slight dip in cost due to his performance so far this year, I still don't see him as a good investment now if you're buying.

Just my opinion - sure, I could be wrong, but I feel pretty confident saying Forte will probably not be a perennial top 5 back which is still his cost. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he never had a top 5 SEASON again. (Note he scored a LOT more points in PPR too, and that was due to Sgt. Swing Pass or Capt. Checkdown who is making the DEN backs look just as good there). Last year was a perfect storm of opportunity that I don't see likely to happen again.

I mostly agree with this. I don't think he is a top 5 dynasty RB. But at this point I am honestly not sure who is a top 5 RB in dynasty.You have AD MJD and DeAngelo Williams. After that I don't have any other clear favorites.

I don't think he is a bust by any means though. He had a great rookie year and who knows how this offense develops as the season goes on? I also think the Bears would have to have a really good RB somehow fall in thier lap for Forte to get replaced in the near future. So I consider his situation fairly secure.

I would not pay top 5 RB value for him. No way.

But if I could get him in a deal for say RB2 value.. which I think is possible right now.. and I really needed a RB.. I would consider him.

Personaly I am playing for this year and Forte has Ravens Vikings and another good defense I forget right now in weeks 14-16. So he is of no use to me. But if I liked his schedule there I would see what his price might be.

I am not greatly in need of a RB either tho.. so I can be picky about it.

 

[DrJ]

Forte week 1 at Packers 25 carries 55 yards

Adrian Peterson week 4 vs Packers 25 carries 55 yards.Maybe Green Bay is playing the run better than people realize. I think the game plan was very much meant to stop the run and since the defense is vulnerable to the pass (especialy if they are in a run pinch or contain). So why run into the strength of the defense when you have better chances with the pass?I don't think it is that big a strech that Green Bays defensive game plan was very similar against the Bears in week 1. As although the Bears have Cutler now Forte is still the main weapon Green Bay had to focus on stopping. Especialy week 1 with no film on Bears with Cutler besides preseason to work with.Fortes other bad game was against the Steelers. Do I need to explain that?So maybe AD is a bust too.

Take away his long 35 yard run against the 49ers he was 18 for 50 for a 2.7 YPC average.That means he's been averaging 2.4 YPC for most of the last 2 games. Plus the fact that as someone else mentioned he only averaged 4.6 YPC against the measly Lions without that 27 yard TD run.

 

[PahtyTom]

Forte had over 100 combined yards against the Seahawks. I don't call that a bad game.

Not a bad game in fantasy football terms, but it was a really, really bad game in NFL terms. He averaged 3.1 yards per carry on 20+ carries against a terrible run defense missing two of its starting linebackers. He averaged 6 and a half yards per reception. If an RB had a game with 80 carries for 100 yards, that would be a fine game by fantasy standards, but he would be single-handedly responsible for his team losing (since the team probably only ran 80 offensive plays a game, and he wasted all of them getting one and a quarter yards a pop).Matt Forte has crippled his team offensively so far this season. He keeps leaving his team in obvious passing situations, which generally results in offensive doom (the success of any given drive is strongly correlated to how well it avoids obvious passing situations). His success rate coming into week 3 was 32%, which ranked 37th in the league... but unlike traditional boom/bust RBs, he had no big plays, making him a bust/bust RB. Yes, he finally brought the boom in week 4, but I think it's perfectly legitimate to ask how much of that was a result of it being the Detroit Freaking Lions. And before the "have you even watched the games!" crowd rears its ugly head... yes, I have watched the games. I've seen two Chicago games so far- week 1 and week 2. In both games, he was a liability on offense. I didn't think he was great coming into the season, and nothing I've seen so far this year has done anything other than reinforce that belief.

Since I know you love FO so much

It’s rare to see a rookie back as assured as Forte, who had the starting job fall into his lap after Cedric Benson’ssummer indiscretions and made it his own. From Week 1, Forte ran, received, and blocked like a veteran back;only Frank Gore had a higher percentage of his team’s touches. He was more dependable than most veteranbacks that get the monicker, as he didn’t register a single blown block and had no fumble issues to speak of.The one negative was that he wore down quickly following 73 carries in the first three weeks, but he was usedmore judiciously by Lovie Smith thereafter and averaged 4.3 yards per carry after the Week 8 bye. He lacks thetop-end speed needed to be an elite back, but he has everything else you’d want. The best compliment we cangive Forte? The closest skill set we can think of to his is Emmitt Smith’s. Forte is that special of a player.

- FOA 2009So maybe elite isn't the right word for him. Maybe special is.

 

[Biabreakable]

Well. I have still only seen Forte play once besides highlights. So what do I know?

Don't think he is a bust though.

 

[SSOG]

Since I know you love FO so much

It’s rare to see a rookie back as assured as Forte, who had the starting job fall into his lap after Cedric Benson’ssummer indiscretions and made it his own. From Week 1, Forte ran, received, and blocked like a veteran back;only Frank Gore had a higher percentage of his team’s touches. He was more dependable than most veteranbacks that get the monicker, as he didn’t register a single blown block and had no fumble issues to speak of.The one negative was that he wore down quickly following 73 carries in the first three weeks, but he was usedmore judiciously by Lovie Smith thereafter and averaged 4.3 yards per carry after the Week 8 bye. He lacks thetop-end speed needed to be an elite back, but he has everything else you’d want. The best compliment we cangive Forte? The closest skill set we can think of to his is Emmitt Smith’s. Forte is that special of a player.

- FOA 2009So maybe elite isn't the right word for him. Maybe special is.

There's a difference between thinking the guys do quality NFL analysis and mindlessly agreeing with/parroting everything they say. I happen to think F&L does great work on dynasty rankings, and I've disagreed with him on this issue before. I think that EBF is a fantastic talent evaluator whose track record speaks for itself. In this case, I agree with him. In other cases, I haven't. That comes with the territory when it comes to independent thought.He's a very good blocker, a pretty good receiver, and an above average runner who happened to get an obscene workload as a rookie. He's a good back, but he's not a GREAT back. He's not Adrian Peterson. He's not Maurice Jones-Drew, or DeAngelo Williams, or Frank Gore, or Steven Jackson, or Chris Johnson. He's not Ronnie Brown (not revisionist history- I liked Brown more than Forte coming into the season). I still think Stewart is more talented, too. He's probably a comparable talent to Michael Turner, Brandon Jacobs, Marion Barber, or Knowshon Moreno, in my mind... although I've always been more down on Moreno than most, and I recognize that his pedigree means there's a strong chance I'm underrating him. But look at what's happened to Marion Barber over the years- first the team platoons him with Julius Jones, then they bring in Felix Jones and Tashard Choice. They keep chipping away slivers of his workload. I could easily see that happening to Forte, dropping his yearly touch totals down closer to 300 (rushes + receptions). If that happened, then how much value would he really have?Also, for the record, I'm not saying I would take those 10 backs over Forte in dynasty. Barber and Jacobs are comparable talents, but much older. Ronnie Brown's a superior talent, but he's turning 28 soon, and his age has to be a bit of a concern. Ditto that for Turner. I'd probably rank them Forte-Brown-Turner. I also don't have the stones to draft Jonathan Stewart as one of the top 8 RBs off the board, so I'd put Forte over him. That still leaves Forte as RB8 behind (in no particular order) Peterson/MJD/SJax/Gore/Williams/CJ/Moreno. Further, he's in the third tier, which is significantly behind the 2nd tier (1st tier = Peterson/MJD, 2nd = SJax/Gore/Williams/CJ, 3rd = Moreno/Forte/Brown/Turner/Stewart/Jacobs/Barber). Spending a top 5 pick on Forte would be more like spending a top 5 pick on Brandon Jacobs than it would be like spending a top 5 pick on DeAngelo Williams.

 

[TitusIII]

When the weather gets a bit colder, Forte owners will get their money's worth. I have absolute faith that a Chicago RB on a relatively good team will be force fed the ball come November and December. In theory, now that Bears have a QB that can burn a defense, things should open up for Forte. It may not happen this season, to the 1500 yard 15 TD extent some expected, but I believe it will once Cutler and company find a groove.

He 'aint superman, but when there is a hole, Forte seems to find it, and I expect his excellent hands will come into play as the season goes on. Time will tell!

 

[PahtyTom]

Since I know you love FO so much

It’s rare to see a rookie back as assured as Forte, who had the starting job fall into his lap after Cedric Benson’ssummer indiscretions and made it his own. From Week 1, Forte ran, received, and blocked like a veteran back;only Frank Gore had a higher percentage of his team’s touches. He was more dependable than most veteranbacks that get the monicker, as he didn’t register a single blown block and had no fumble issues to speak of.The one negative was that he wore down quickly following 73 carries in the first three weeks, but he was usedmore judiciously by Lovie Smith thereafter and averaged 4.3 yards per carry after the Week 8 bye. He lacks thetop-end speed needed to be an elite back, but he has everything else you’d want. The best compliment we cangive Forte? The closest skill set we can think of to his is Emmitt Smith’s. Forte is that special of a player.

- FOA 2009So maybe elite isn't the right word for him. Maybe special is.

There's a difference between thinking the guys do quality NFL analysis and mindlessly agreeing with/parroting everything they say. I happen to think F&L does great work on dynasty rankings, and I've disagreed with him on this issue before. I think that EBF is a fantastic talent evaluator whose track record speaks for itself. In this case, I agree with him. In other cases, I haven't. That comes with the territory when it comes to independent thought.He's a very good blocker, a pretty good receiver, and an above average runner who happened to get an obscene workload as a rookie. He's a good back, but he's not a GREAT back. He's not Adrian Peterson. He's not Maurice Jones-Drew, or DeAngelo Williams, or Frank Gore, or Steven Jackson, or Chris Johnson. He's not Ronnie Brown (not revisionist history- I liked Brown more than Forte coming into the season). I still think Stewart is more talented, too. He's probably a comparable talent to Michael Turner, Brandon Jacobs, Marion Barber, or Knowshon Moreno, in my mind... although I've always been more down on Moreno than most, and I recognize that his pedigree means there's a strong chance I'm underrating him. But look at what's happened to Marion Barber over the years- first the team platoons him with Julius Jones, then they bring in Felix Jones and Tashard Choice. They keep chipping away slivers of his workload. I could easily see that happening to Forte, dropping his yearly touch totals down closer to 300 (rushes + receptions). If that happened, then how much value would he really have?Also, for the record, I'm not saying I would take those 10 backs over Forte in dynasty. Barber and Jacobs are comparable talents, but much older. Ronnie Brown's a superior talent, but he's turning 28 soon, and his age has to be a bit of a concern. Ditto that for Turner. I'd probably rank them Forte-Brown-Turner. I also don't have the stones to draft Jonathan Stewart as one of the top 8 RBs off the board, so I'd put Forte over him. That still leaves Forte as RB8 behind (in no particular order) Peterson/MJD/SJax/Gore/Williams/CJ/Moreno. Further, he's in the third tier, which is significantly behind the 2nd tier (1st tier = Peterson/MJD, 2nd = SJax/Gore/Williams/CJ, 3rd = Moreno/Forte/Brown/Turner/Stewart/Jacobs/Barber). Spending a top 5 pick on Forte would be more like spending a top 5 pick on Brandon Jacobs than it would be like spending a top 5 pick on DeAngelo Williams.

Ranking Dangelo over Forte in Dynasty is bad to me unless you SEVERELY overrate Dangelo or underrate Forte. Dangelo is signed for this season and next. The Panthers already spent a 1st round on a RB, and split the snaps between the 2 almost 50/50. It is conceivable that Dangelo is not resigned after next season, which leaves a lot of uncertainty there. Personally, I don't think Dangelo is even more talented than Forte so it's a no brainer since Forte is also younger and the only guy in town for the foreseeable future in Chicago.

 

[SSOG]

Ranking Dangelo over Forte in Dynasty is bad to me unless you SEVERELY overrate Dangelo or underrate Forte. Dangelo is signed for this season and next. The Panthers already spent a 1st round on a RB, and split the snaps between the 2 almost 50/50. It is conceivable that Dangelo is not resigned after next season, which leaves a lot of uncertainty there. Personally, I don't think Dangelo is even more talented than Forte so it's a no brainer since Forte is also younger and the only guy in town for the foreseeable future in Chicago.

I think DeAngelo is SIGNIFICANTLY more talented than Forte. When his contract is up, either the Panthers keep him or they let him go, but I'm good with that either way. He's a talented enough RB that he'll go somewhere and be featured. He might even benefit from not having Stewart sharking his carries.

 

[CentralPA]

Forte is a a very solid RB2 and I think a top 15 to potential top 10 back in Fantasy, probably higher in PPR which I mainly play in. To lob him in with DeAngelo Williams or MJD or any of the top 5 guys I don't think I could do right now. I was thinking at the beginning of the season he would progress into that echileon and he still might but as my 2nd starter he is still very solid for me and he has some good matchups coming up.

 

[Instinctive]

When the weather gets a bit colder, Forte owners will get their money's worth. I have absolute faith that a Chicago RB on a relatively good team will be force fed the ball come November and December. In theory, now that Bears have a QB that can burn a defense, things should open up for Forte. It may not happen this season, to the 1500 yard 15 TD extent some expected, but I believe it will once Cutler and company find a groove.He 'aint superman, but when there is a hole, Forte seems to find it, and I expect his excellent hands will come into play as the season goes on. Time will tell!

Go research the last 20 years of passing vs running splits by month for every team that you would consider to be affected by weather.Weather has zero impact. Passing teams will pass and running teams will run. The Bears have a rep as running because of weather when in fact they have run because they haven't ever had a QB that could reliably pass.

 

[Biabreakable]

When the weather gets a bit colder, Forte owners will get their money's worth. I have absolute faith that a Chicago RB on a relatively good team will be force fed the ball come November and December. In theory, now that Bears have a QB that can burn a defense, things should open up for Forte. It may not happen this season, to the 1500 yard 15 TD extent some expected, but I believe it will once Cutler and company find a groove.He 'aint superman, but when there is a hole, Forte seems to find it, and I expect his excellent hands will come into play as the season goes on. Time will tell!

Go research the last 20 years of passing vs running splits by month for every team that you would consider to be affected by weather.Weather has zero impact. Passing teams will pass and running teams will run. The Bears have a rep as running because of weather when in fact they have run because they haven't ever had a QB that could reliably pass.

Well that and because the Bears have always made defense and the running game a priority in their personel decisions, coaching staffs team philosophy and identity.Cutler might change that. But not with Johny Knox and Hester as their main WR.And if they do become a explosive passing team?That will undoubtably help Forte more than if they fail to become at least average passing team.

 

[boubucarow]

Forte had over 100 combined yards against the Seahawks. I don't call that a bad game.

Not a bad game in fantasy football terms, but it was a really, really bad game in NFL terms. He averaged 3.1 yards per carry on 20+ carries against a terrible run defense missing two of its starting linebackers. He averaged 6 and a half yards per reception. If an RB had a game with 80 carries for 100 yards, that would be a fine game by fantasy standards, but he would be single-handedly responsible for his team losing (since the team probably only ran 80 offensive plays a game, and he wasted all of them getting one and a quarter yards a pop).Matt Forte has crippled his team offensively so far this season. He keeps leaving his team in obvious passing situations, which generally results in offensive doom (the success of any given drive is strongly correlated to how well it avoids obvious passing situations). His success rate coming into week 3 was 32%, which ranked 37th in the league... but unlike traditional boom/bust RBs, he had no big plays, making him a bust/bust RB. Yes, he finally brought the boom in week 4, but I think it's perfectly legitimate to ask how much of that was a result of it being the Detroit Freaking Lions. And before the "have you even watched the games!" crowd rears its ugly head... yes, I have watched the games. I've seen two Chicago games so far- week 1 and week 2. In both games, he was a liability on offense. I didn't think he was great coming into the season, and nothing I've seen so far this year has done anything other than reinforce that belief.

Forte has not had a chance to do much this season. When he has gotten the chance, he has played well. The woeful play of the offensive line would leave any running back with sub par stats.In addition, he seemed a bit more explosive last week and I think he has been still feeling his preseason injuries and might finally becoming healthy.

 

[SSOG]

Forte has not had a chance to do much this season. When he has gotten the chance, he has played well. The woeful play of the offensive line would leave any running back with sub par stats.In addition, he seemed a bit more explosive last week and I think he has been still feeling his preseason injuries and might finally becoming healthy.

Chance or not, there has been a direct and very strong correlation between handing off to Forte and winding up in obvious passing situations.

 

[boubucarow]

Forte has not had a chance to do much this season. When he has gotten the chance, he has played well. The woeful play of the offensive line would leave any running back with sub par stats.In addition, he seemed a bit more explosive last week and I think he has been still feeling his preseason injuries and might finally becoming healthy.

Chance or not, there has been a direct and very strong correlation between handing off to Forte and winding up in obvious passing situations.

You are blaming Forte and you are wrong. The correlation between running and failing is the offensive line, not Forte. Kind of like the reason Royal and Marshall haven't caught long passes is not their fault, it is Orton's fault.

 

[SSOG]

Forte has not had a chance to do much this season. When he has gotten the chance, he has played well. The woeful play of the offensive line would leave any running back with sub par stats.In addition, he seemed a bit more explosive last week and I think he has been still feeling his preseason injuries and might finally becoming healthy.

Chance or not, there has been a direct and very strong correlation between handing off to Forte and winding up in obvious passing situations.

You are blaming Forte and you are wrong. The correlation between running and failing is the offensive line, not Forte.

So you're saying that Forte is just a guy who can't get anything unless the offensive line gives it to him? How is that not perfectly in line with the whole point of this entire thread that Forte is a good RB but nowhere near as talented as the general perception says he is?

 

[boubucarow]

Forte has not had a chance to do much this season. When he has gotten the chance, he has played well. The woeful play of the offensive line would leave any running back with sub par stats.In addition, he seemed a bit more explosive last week and I think he has been still feeling his preseason injuries and might finally becoming healthy.

Chance or not, there has been a direct and very strong correlation between handing off to Forte and winding up in obvious passing situations.

You are blaming Forte and you are wrong. The correlation between running and failing is the offensive line, not Forte.

So you're saying that Forte is just a guy who can't get anything unless the offensive line gives it to him? How is that not perfectly in line with the whole point of this entire thread that Forte is a good RB but nowhere near as talented as the general perception says he is?

No, he isn't AD or MJD but I haven't seen many that say he is talent wise. With that said, even those two players would have only marginally better stats right now than Forte if they were the Bears #1 back and received the same blocking on the same plays. Is it really that hard to understand that if you continually are getting hit behind the line of scrimmage, you won't be putting up good numbers. It is really a ridiculous assertion that Forte puts the Bears in 3rd and long situations when no running back in the league could have done much better.

 

[Abrantes]

No, he isn't AD or MJD but I haven't seen many that say he is talent wise. With that said, even those two players would have only marginally better stats right now than Forte if they were the Bears #1 back and received the same blocking on the same plays. Is it really that hard to understand that if you continually are getting hit behind the line of scrimmage, you won't be putting up good numbers. It is really a ridiculous assertion that Forte puts the Bears in 3rd and long situations when no running back in the league could have done much better.

Naturally, but what evidence is there that no running back in the league could have done much better?