ConnSKINS26
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Is this all leading up to a point?
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Dynasty: NON-Draft eligible College prospects (1 Viewer)
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Andrew74
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jeter23
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I love Coley. With a couple more years, hopefully he can become more consistent and improve on those early drops he had. I mentioned the other day that I'd rather roster him as a devy prospect than Morris or Duke. Didn't expect to say that at the start of the season.
Also, Xue can correct me, but I think Lawler is a redshirt freshman, so he'd be eligible for the 2015 class, just like Jameis Winston.
CalBear
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ConnSKINS26
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Bump.
Xue, what were you getting at with the youtube video and the subsequent posts? Seemed like you were ready to drop a point, and never did.
Xue
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The point is why are we looking for the next Adrian Peterson? There are other successful RBs in the NFL and CFB. Why aren't we looking for the next LeSean McCoy, Marshawn Lynch, Jonathan Stewart, Giovani Bernard, Doug Martin, Ray Rice, Maurice Jones-Drew, Jamaal Charles, and Matt Forte? Or even the next Todd Gurley or Melvin Gordon?Bump.
Xue, what were you getting at with the youtube video and the subsequent posts? Seemed like you were ready to drop a point, and never did.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Gotcha! Thanks. I thought it was an extension of another conversation that I just couldn't find.You make a good point, but it's human nature to always yearn for the next BIG thing, not the next pretty big thing. And then, possibly, to see what one wants to see.The point is why are we looking for the next Adrian Peterson? There are other successful RBs in the NFL and CFB. Why aren't we looking for the next LeSean McCoy, Marshawn Lynch, Jonathan Stewart, Giovani Bernard, Doug Martin, Ray Rice, Maurice Jones-Drew, Jamaal Charles, and Matt Forte? Or even the next Todd Gurley or Melvin Gordon?Bump.Xue, what were you getting at with the youtube video and the subsequent posts? Seemed like you were ready to drop a point, and never did.
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Penguin
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I haven't seen any of his games and he's not playing the stiffest competition but Colorado St. Sophmore RB Kapri Bibbs has put up monster numbers the past 5 games.
He was splitting time the first 6 games and had 65 carries for 429 yards & 6 TD's. The last 5 games he's carried the full load and put up 1010 yards and 19 TD's.
220/1439/25 so far this season
He was splitting time the first 6 games and had 65 carries for 429 yards & 6 TD's. The last 5 games he's carried the full load and put up 1010 yards and 19 TD's.
220/1439/25 so far this season
ConnSKINS26
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Oh boy.
ConnSKINS26
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So with Cooper having a down year due to injuries, who are some other possible future dynasty studs at WR? Seems like most of the well known guys can declare this year. There don't seem to be any mega-studs coming down the pipeline.
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ConnSKINS26
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He's starting to flash that potential he always had, but he's always been pretty overhyped, it seems like. I wouldn't consider him a super-star prospect.
Time Kibitzer
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Yeah not many true sophomore or freshman WRs doing much statistically this year. One guy I quite like is true freshman Stacy Coley on Miami. In the last 4 weeks, the kid has two 60+ yard TD receptions off screens and one 70+ yard TD rush. He needs to keep developing his WR skills, but his speed and YAC ability is just sick.
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jeter23
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I like Coley a lot and I'm still a big believer in Cooper. Others: DGB, Nelson Algohor, Stefon Diggs, Laquon Treadwell, Ricky Seals-Jones, and Marquez North.
EBF
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Excluding the 2014-eligibles, I'm pretty underwhelmed with the WR prospects in CFB right now. Stefon Diggs is a can't-miss talent, but his lack of ideal #1 WR size may relegate him to more of a supporting role in the NFL and FF. I'm monitoring three true freshmen right now: Marquez North (Tennessee), Ricky Seals-Jones (Texas A&M), and Damore'ea Stringfellow (Washington). Interesting prospects, but there's nobody out there who has the slam dunk Blackmon or Crabtree look to me at the moment. The 2013 high school class had some promising prospects and maybe it's just going to take a few years for them to peak.ConnSKINS26 said:
BeTheMatch
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EBF
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Ran for 140 yards on 22 carries last night. I did not see the game, but apparently he looked like a beast. I will check out his carries once someone uploads the game to YouTube. He's up to 689 yards on the season at 6.3 YPC. Could be a candidate for Pac-12 OPOY in 2014 if he can stay healthy. Freakish combination of power and speed.
EBF
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I'm sure Treadwell will be a high pick in most dev drafts where he's eligible. Really highly rated out of high school and he has had a pretty good debut season on the whole. Best WR in NCAA seems like a huge stretch at this point, but I think he's on everybody's 2016 short list right now.
BeTheMatch
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EBF
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The low YPC is a bit of an eye sore. 8.3 yards per catch. Yikes. Isn't that about what Lache Seastrunk averages every carry?
That stuff can be skewed by usage though and he's only just a freshman. Merely being on the field and making any good plays at all is a pretty decent accomplishment for a true freshman WR. I can't say that any of Treadwell's game highlights have really blown me away, but he's definitely on my watch list.
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ConnSKINS26
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Cooper has been playing with/recovering from a really tough injury (turf toe). He's already proven he can produce. In my opinion, despite the huge difference in physical profiles, DGB has a LOT more to prove than Cooper.
jeter23
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Xue
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EBF
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Looked at Coates a couple weeks ago and wasn't super impressed. He seems to be pretty one-dimensional. Just a deep threat. He's on my watch list, but as of right now I think he's more of a day 3 flyer type of guy than a solid top 100 prospect. Maybe next year he will get more targets and show more facets of his game.
Xue
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Just because he's been used as such and so good at it doesn't mean he limited to being a deep threat. Roddy White was a deep threat in college. Coates is somewhere between Torrey Smith and Watkins and I think he plant-and-cuts slightly better than those two. Has shown some ability to high-point and catch away from his body when needed:
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=8381141
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=9622559
From a totals standpoint, his production isn't much, but from a percentage standpoint he's already accounting for 36% of his team's receiving yards and 35% of receiving TDs.
EBF
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He's on my radar. I would not spend a top 12-14 devy pick on Coates today, but maybe he would be a candidate in a deeper draft. As of right now all of my dev leagues only have a one round dev draft, so it's hard for me to justify taking chances on guys that seem a little more volatile. I'd like to participate in some leagues that go a little deeper.
Xue
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Here is my way too early 2015 WR rankings:
Legend (as of 2015 Draft): *=JR, **=rSO
Legend (as of 2015 Draft): *=JR, **=rSO
- Amari Cooper*
- Deontay Greenberry*
- Mekale McKay*
- Stefon Diggs*
- Jaelen Strong*
- Sammie Coates*
- Kelvin Benjamin*
- Quinshad Davis*
- Martavis Bryant
- Ty Montgomery
- Dorial Green-Beckham*
- Nelson Agholor*
- Kenneth Scott*
- Austin Hill*
- Amara Darboh**
- Breshad Perriman*
- Geno Lewis**
- Andre Davis
- Kenny Lawler**
- Deon Long*
- Titus Davis
- Cody Latimer
- Antwan Goodley
- Kasen Williams
- Sterling Shepard*
- Leonte Carroo*
- Davaris Daniels*
- Ezell Ruffin
- Dres Anderson
- Tyler Lockett
- Devante Davis
- Willie Snead*
BeTheMatch
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One guy who is eligible this year but definitely will not come out is junior running back David Cobb of the Gophers. He didn't really play at all first two years and wasn't supposed to be the starter this year but looked good in limited action early and took over as the starter. He now has 1,111 yards and 7 TDs on 219 carries for an average of 5.1 ypc. He's also caught 16 passes for another 162 yards.
He's got good size at 5-11 and 225 pounds.
I'm not saying he's going to be a stud. In fact, at this point, I'm sure he wouldn't even get drafted. But he could have an even bigger year next year, and then who knows. The Gophers' passing offense is terrible, so defenses continually load the box, but he's still produced.
He seems to me to have great vision, has produced even when hurt (like this weekend against Michigan State's top-ranked defense), breaks a lot of tackles and is faster than you think. He's very physical but is also pretty nifty in the hole, seems to make something out of nothing quite often.
He could be one of these "out of nowhere" guys next year.
Last time I "made a call" on a local guy no one had heard of was Eric Decker.
He's got good size at 5-11 and 225 pounds.
I'm not saying he's going to be a stud. In fact, at this point, I'm sure he wouldn't even get drafted. But he could have an even bigger year next year, and then who knows. The Gophers' passing offense is terrible, so defenses continually load the box, but he's still produced.
He seems to me to have great vision, has produced even when hurt (like this weekend against Michigan State's top-ranked defense), breaks a lot of tackles and is faster than you think. He's very physical but is also pretty nifty in the hole, seems to make something out of nothing quite often.
He could be one of these "out of nowhere" guys next year.
Last time I "made a call" on a local guy no one had heard of was Eric Decker.
EBF
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Cobb is having a big season. I haven't seen any of his actual games yet. Just some highlight runs. He looks like a decent prospect. Maybe not a top 100 pick, but he could be a candidate there with another strong season next year and should be a strong contender for day three if nothing else.
EBF
Footballguy
I would rank Goodley and Montgomery higher. Whether or not they have great football skills, they at least have the athletic ability to play in the NFL.
For all the talk of 2015 being a good dev class, I think this WR group is an obvious weakness. Looks like a really pedestrian class to me.
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EBF
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He's definitely not a natural receiver, but saying he has hands of stone might be a bit harsh. He had two very bad drops in the USC game. For the most part, he has been decent at catching the ball this year though. My sense is that he thinks too much and tightens up in the split second before the ball arrives. That's a bad quality and probably something that will be with him for the rest of his career, but there are some decent NFL receivers who have spotty hands. If you want to make a favorable comparison, I'd say Montgomery could end up being similar to someone like Pierre Garcon.
He's a lot stronger than Troy Williamson and probably DHB too. And while I wouldn't describe him as an elusive player, his size/speed combo makes him dangerous after the catch. He averages 31.3 yards per kickoff return, which is probably among the best in the country. He may not be a natural receiver with the ball in the air, but he's a good route runner and he knows what to do once he catches it.
I think Marqise Lee is the best WR prospect in the Pac-12, but I'd put Montgomery in the next tier with names like Richardson, Strong, and Cooks. He can be a 2nd-3rd round pick in the draft when he comes out (most likely 2015). He is definitely a better athlete than football player, so expect him to be one of those guys who looks lost early in his career before settling down and finding a way to contribute.
EBF
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Here is a 2013 highlight reel if you want to see him at his best. It obviously doesn't include any brutal drops:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90UulhZlkvc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90UulhZlkvc
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