[Dynasty] - RB #8 (1 Viewer)

[FUBAR]

1. Adrian Peterson MIN 3/21/1985 75% (SJax 15%)

2. SJax STL 7/22/1983 44% (LT 41%)

3. LT SD 6/23/1979 (Addai 4%)

4. Addai IND 5/3/1983 72% (Westbrook 26%)

5. Westbrook PHI 9/2/1979 51% (Gore 12%)

6. Frank Gore SF 5/14/1983 36% (Lynch 23%)

7. Marshawn Lynch BUF 4/22/1986 29% (LJ 22%)

 

[radiohead417]

I think Mendenhall and Stewart this early, is a touch premature.

 

[Winning IS Everything]

I think Mendenhall and Stewart this early, is a touch premature.

I would add Maroney and Ronnie Brown before these guys.Edit to add, tough choice but went Portis here, and I like the high number of options.

 

[Mr. Peterson]

I think Mendenhall and Stewart this early, is a touch premature.

I would add Maroney and Ronnie Brown before these guys.Edit to add, tough choice but went Portis here, and I like the high number of options.

Same thing with Turner too. How the helk does he get mentioned when we're not even out of the top 10.

 

[Burning Sensation]

I think Mendenhall and Stewart this early, is a touch premature.

I would add Maroney and Ronnie Brown before these guys.Edit to add, tough choice but went Portis here, and I like the high number of options.

1.2/1.3 rookie pick >> Maroney/BrownYeah, i know, Maroney and Brown are "proven". It is proven that neither has finished higher than RB23 in a combined five seasons.

 

[FUBAR]

I think Mendenhall and Stewart this early, is a touch premature.

I would add Maroney and Ronnie Brown before these guys.Edit to add, tough choice but went Portis here, and I like the high number of options.

1.2/1.3 rookie pick >> Maroney/BrownYeah, i know, Maroney and Brown are "proven". It is proven that neither has finished higher than RB23 in a combined five seasons.

If it matters, Brown was a top 3 in PPG last year (PPR, not sure where he was non-PPR), I will add him next, simply an oversight and nobody mentioned him.Turner has 1 vote, so he stays. Interesting to see basically a 3 way tie right now, they might stay this way.

 

[KoolKat]

I have Portis on my dynasty team, but I'd have to go with Barber on this one.

 

[Whiplash Inc.]

Portis

 

[geoff8695]

While LJ and Portis are solid choices, MJD is the best option left in this poll. Here's an SSOG post from the latest MJD thread. I've been pimping MJD pretty hard lately and I completely agree with SSOG's reasoning here.:

Yes. I drafted both Lynch and MJD in an initial dynasty draft this past offseason. I "reached" for Jones-Drew with the 13th overall selection while there were much "better" choices left on the board. During the course of the season, I had to trade him straight up for Randy Moss in order to gear up for my championship run, and despite seeing drastic and immediate dividends from the trade and becoming clearly the best team in the league, I still regret it. The MJD owner wound up with the first and third rookie picks (which will probably become McFadden and Mendenhall) and he owns a couple of other young RBs, so I've been trying to pry MJD back away, but he won't let him go. I already offered Lynch for MJD straight up, but was turned down.

Here's what it comes down to for me- in the end, talent wins out, and outside of Peterson, I don't think there's a single RB under the age of 27 in the entire NFL who is more talented than Maurice Jones-Drew. That includes Steven Jackson and Frank Gore, as well as all of the incoming rookies. I think both Jackson and Gore are special talents, and I think that both are probably more ideally suited for a massive workload than MJD, but outside of Brian Westbrook, nobody in the league brings such a wide array of fully developed tools to the table as Jones-Drew. He excels in all three facets of the game- running, receiving, and blocking. He even excels in all of the facets of those facets. He can run with vision through traffic, he can run with speed in the open field, he can run with power and initiate contact, he can run with creativity and avoid contact. He runs great routes, has great hands, is very smart, has great field awareness, and is a devastating blocker. He has patience to wait for his blocks to develop, confidence to make something out of nothing, and wisdom to just get what he can when there's nothing else he can do. And his body type, which was seen as a disadvantage coming out, proves to be a big advantage- it makes him harder to locate in traffic (as evidenced by his ridiculous "fall down and then run untouched to the end zone" play against the Patriots his rookie year), and he always has a leverage advantage because it's impossible for a tackler to get below his pads. MJD is quite simply one of the most obscene talents in the entire NFL, and I have confidence that over the long run, that talent is going to shine through.

As for Marshawn Lynch, I haven't seen anything from him to suggest that he's anything more than just another very good back, another Joseph Addai, Chris Perry, Kevin Jones, LaMont Jordan, Willie Parker, etc. He might continue developing and one day become a stud nonpareil, but in the meantime, he's just another very good back in a long line of very good back. Traditionally, very good backs don't have elite value unless they're paired with a very good system (see: Addai, Joseph), and I'm not convinced that Buffalo is going to be a long-term rushing hotspot. I'm glad that I own Lynch because he should be a reliable RB2 for the next 3+ years for me, but if given the chance to trade a very good RB for one of the most talented RBs the NFL has to offer, you have to believe that I'm going to make that trade every time.

If you're still on the fence, let's put it this way- if Reggie Bush had done exactly what Jones-Drew had done in his first two seasons while splitting time with McAllister, where do you think Bush would be going in initial dynasty drafts right now? Personally, I think he'd be a top-5 pick. Jones-Drew didn't have the hype coming in that Bush did, but in reality, he was a pretty similar prospect, and he has performed like Bush was expected to perform. Think of how excited you were about Reggie Bush in the NFL two years ago. Now apply that to Maurice Jones-Drew.

If nothing else, if Jones-Drew continues sharing the load like this and finishing as a low-end RB1 / high-end RB2, it should prolong his career well beyond what you'd ordinarily expect from a young fantasy-relevant RB, if only because it dramatically decreases his chances of getting a serious injury.

 

[FUBAR]

Larry Johnson 11/19/1979 [ 24 ] ** [22.64%]

Maurice Jones-Drew 3/23/1985 [ 23 ] ** [21.70%]

Clinton Portis 9/1/1981 [ 25 ] ** [23.58%]

Won't get much closer than this.

 

[Tick]

I don't get the Larry Johnson votes. What's going to get better for him? He lost his dominating OL, now he looks average (being generous there).

 

[kethnaab]

it's mind-numbing that LJ is being mentioned, ESPECIALLY in a dynasty rating.

What's just as mind-numbing is that a guy with 2 games > 20 carries is receiving such high praise.

I like MJD. I love his style, and I love what he brings to the table, but he still hasn't been able to take the job from a guy 10 years his senior.

I like him, quite a bit, but I think he's becoming a bit overhyped.

Let's see here...

McGahee broke 100 YFS 9x in 2007, 6x in 2006, 7x in 2005, 7x in 2004 as a rookie.

MJD has done it 9x in the past 2 seasons combined.

 

[el centro]

Although my vote right now is for LJ - I think he's still got a lot left in the tank, and with a full preseason of conditioning - he should return to form.

That being said - I'm still surprised there's no love for Ronnie Brown here. Prior to his injury he was top-3 in PPG/avg! Not sure of his age, but he can't be much more than 25-26. I don't know what Parcells does to his value, but knowing his tendency for ball-control - I would guess it to stay stable or slightly improve.

 

[dotman]

No Ryan Grant option?

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Jonathan Stewart 3/21/1987 as a choice for RB#8.

More like 38. Please remove Him as a choice.

 

[Guinis72]

Even though LJ is banged up I wouldn't be able to pass up his elite talent here. He's the type of guy that can carry your team and I don't think KC is much worse than it was 2 yrs ago when he put up 1789 yds and 17 TDs. There's no way KC can ignore their OL in the draft and/or free agency this year so they may even end up being a little better than what he had in '06. It's a little risky taking the oldest guy on the board but I like his potential for the next 3-4 yrs.

 

[FUBAR]

Jonathan Stewart 3/21/1987 as a choice for RB#8.More like 38. Please remove Him as a choice.

no, somebody else had asked to include him. I'm just keeping those who are mentioned, it's not like it hurts anything to have him in here.I am surprised to see a vote for Mendenhall.I'm going to leave this up for a few more hours, but will put up the new poll by this evening.

 

[duece2626]

No Ryan Grant option?

This guy definately needs to be on the list.

 

[bcr8f]

I think Mendenhall and Stewart this early, is a touch premature.

I would add Maroney and Ronnie Brown before these guys.Edit to add, tough choice but went Portis here, and I like the high number of options.

I'll never draft Maroney before the 4th round again.

 

[FUBAR]

No Ryan Grant option?

The truly surprising thing is you're the first to mention him. I wouldn't vote for him yet, but with 20 listed including those already voted "in", you're absolutely right, he belongs on the list.

 

[FUBAR]

BTW, just so it's out there now, I won't be doing tiebreakers; if any RB is within 3% of the top choice, I'll be listing them as 8a and 8b (maybe even 8c)

 

[Burning Sensation]

BTW, just so it's out there now, I won't be doing tiebreakers; if any RB is within 3% of the top choice, I'll be listing them as 8a and 8b (maybe even 8c)

 

[Tommy Collins]

Larry Johnson plays for the Herminator. Sorry but he's not top 8 in my books. Portis isn't a bad choice, but I went with Barber. Will be the #1 RB on a high scoring Dallas team.

 

[KoolKat]

3 RB run-off?

 

[Chachi]

3 RB run-off?

2

 

[KoolKat]

3 RB run-off?

2

I'd say it is close enough to throw MJD is the mix too.

 

[geoff8695]

3 RB run-off?

2

I'd say it is close enough to throw MJD is the mix too.

Especially since youth is valued by so many and he is several years younger than LJ or even Portis. In my admittedly biased opinion, you'ld have to include MJD in the runoff...

 

[Burning Sensation]

Not sure if you guys saw this

BTW, just so it's out there now, I won't be doing tiebreakers; if any RB is within 3% of the top choice, I'll be listing them as 8a and 8b (maybe even 8c)

 

[KoolKat]

Not sure if you guys saw this

BTW, just so it's out there now, I won't be doing tiebreakers; if any RB is within 3% of the top choice, I'll be listing them as 8a and 8b (maybe even 8c)

That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

 

[Chachi]

Not sure if you guys saw this

BTW, just so it's out there now, I won't be doing tiebreakers; if any RB is within 3% of the top choice, I'll be listing them as 8a and 8b (maybe even 8c)

That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Me either, but since you brought it up, consider this...Maybe you should run the polls?

 

[Burning Sensation]

Not sure if you guys saw this

BTW, just so it's out there now, I won't be doing tiebreakers; if any RB is within 3% of the top choice, I'll be listing them as 8a and 8b (maybe even 8c)

That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Makes perfect sense to me. It is not as if because we do a runoff, one of the players is going to make a clear seperation from the others. Since that is very unlikely to be the case, why waste time and board space with a runoff? It is clear that the three players here all have very similar dynasty value, why do we need a clear cut winner, are people betting money on it?

 

[KoolKat]

Not sure if you guys saw this

BTW, just so it's out there now, I won't be doing tiebreakers; if any RB is within 3% of the top choice, I'll be listing them as 8a and 8b (maybe even 8c)

That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Makes perfect sense to me. It is not as if because we do a runoff, one of the players is going to make a clear seperation from the others. Since that is very unlikely to be the case, why waste time and board space with a runoff? It is clear that the three players here all have very similar dynasty value, why do we need a clear cut winner, are people betting money on it?

You say nobody will separate, but you are just assuming. There is plenty of room on this board for a run-off.

 

[Burning Sensation]

Not sure if you guys saw this

BTW, just so it's out there now, I won't be doing tiebreakers; if any RB is within 3% of the top choice, I'll be listing them as 8a and 8b (maybe even 8c)

That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Makes perfect sense to me. It is not as if because we do a runoff, one of the players is going to make a clear seperation from the others. Since that is very unlikely to be the case, why waste time and board space with a runoff? It is clear that the three players here all have very similar dynasty value, why do we need a clear cut winner, are people betting money on it?

You say nobody will separate, but you are just assuming. There is plenty of room on this board for a run-off.

Whats wrong with a tie?

 

[V1LL]

ronnie brown

 

[KoolKat]

Not sure if you guys saw this

BTW, just so it's out there now, I won't be doing tiebreakers; if any RB is within 3% of the top choice, I'll be listing them as 8a and 8b (maybe even 8c)

That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Makes perfect sense to me. It is not as if because we do a runoff, one of the players is going to make a clear seperation from the others. Since that is very unlikely to be the case, why waste time and board space with a runoff? It is clear that the three players here all have very similar dynasty value, why do we need a clear cut winner, are people betting money on it?

You say nobody will separate, but you are just assuming. There is plenty of room on this board for a run-off.

Whats wrong with a tie?

What's wrong with having a run-off?

 

[Burning Sensation]

Not sure if you guys saw this

BTW, just so it's out there now, I won't be doing tiebreakers; if any RB is within 3% of the top choice, I'll be listing them as 8a and 8b (maybe even 8c)

That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Makes perfect sense to me. It is not as if because we do a runoff, one of the players is going to make a clear seperation from the others. Since that is very unlikely to be the case, why waste time and board space with a runoff? It is clear that the three players here all have very similar dynasty value, why do we need a clear cut winner, are people betting money on it?

You say nobody will separate, but you are just assuming. There is plenty of room on this board for a run-off.

Whats wrong with a tie?

What's wrong with having a run-off?

Your the one who claimed a tie makes no sense, and i was just wondering why a tie makes no sense?As far as whats wrong with having a runoff, i would like to see us get through 30-40 RB's, and if we do runoffs for every close poll, we will be here until September. There are alot of dynasty drafts coming up by spring, and it would be nice to have a solid list together. Wether Portis or LJ win a runoff, which is likely to be close again, is useless.

 

[tri-man 47]

I think Mendenhall and Stewart this early, is a touch premature.

I would add Maroney and Ronnie Brown before these guys.Edit to add, tough choice but went Portis here, and I like the high number of options.

1.2/1.3 rookie pick >> Maroney/BrownYeah, i know, Maroney and Brown are "proven". It is proven that neither has finished higher than RB23 in a combined five seasons.

Why does that make rookie picks more valuable? Arguably, they're five years behind the 'learning curve.' Maroney was a couple of early, vultured TDs, and Brown an early injury, from being top performers last year. They belong on the list.

 

[moderated]

McFadden or Stewart.

Went McFadden by a hair.

 

[KoolKat]

Not sure if you guys saw this

BTW, just so it's out there now, I won't be doing tiebreakers; if any RB is within 3% of the top choice, I'll be listing them as 8a and 8b (maybe even 8c)

That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Makes perfect sense to me. It is not as if because we do a runoff, one of the players is going to make a clear seperation from the others. Since that is very unlikely to be the case, why waste time and board space with a runoff? It is clear that the three players here all have very similar dynasty value, why do we need a clear cut winner, are people betting money on it?

You say nobody will separate, but you are just assuming. There is plenty of room on this board for a run-off.

Whats wrong with a tie?

What's wrong with having a run-off?

Your the one who claimed a tie makes no sense, and i was just wondering why a tie makes no sense?As far as whats wrong with having a runoff, i would like to see us get through 30-40 RB's, and if we do runoffs for every close poll, we will be here until September. There are alot of dynasty drafts coming up by spring, and it would be nice to have a solid list together. Wether Portis or LJ win a runoff, which is likely to be close again, is useless.

Fair enough. I just prefer to have more definitive ratings. There are many people who voted for someone other than the 3, so to get their point of view on the better of three would be valuable.

 

[FUBAR]

Not sure if you guys saw this

BTW, just so it's out there now, I won't be doing tiebreakers; if any RB is within 3% of the top choice, I'll be listing them as 8a and 8b (maybe even 8c)

That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Makes perfect sense to me. It is not as if because we do a runoff, one of the players is going to make a clear seperation from the others. Since that is very unlikely to be the case, why waste time and board space with a runoff? It is clear that the three players here all have very similar dynasty value, why do we need a clear cut winner, are people betting money on it?

You say nobody will separate, but you are just assuming. There is plenty of room on this board for a run-off.

Whats wrong with a tie?

What's wrong with having a run-off?

Your the one who claimed a tie makes no sense, and i was just wondering why a tie makes no sense?As far as whats wrong with having a runoff, i would like to see us get through 30-40 RB's, and if we do runoffs for every close poll, we will be here until September. There are alot of dynasty drafts coming up by spring, and it would be nice to have a solid list together. Wether Portis or LJ win a runoff, which is likely to be close again, is useless.

Fair enough. I just prefer to have more definitive ratings. There are many people who voted for someone other than the 3, so to get their point of view on the better of three would be valuable.

What exactly do you mean by this? More definitive? There is nothing definitive about ratings. These are the collective opinions of the voters, if the numbers are close, that means their values are basically equal. 44 people would take LJ as the #8 RB off the board, 43 would take Portis. Seems "definitive" enough.

 

[KoolKat]

Not sure if you guys saw this

BTW, just so it's out there now, I won't be doing tiebreakers; if any RB is within 3% of the top choice, I'll be listing them as 8a and 8b (maybe even 8c)

That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Makes perfect sense to me. It is not as if because we do a runoff, one of the players is going to make a clear seperation from the others. Since that is very unlikely to be the case, why waste time and board space with a runoff? It is clear that the three players here all have very similar dynasty value, why do we need a clear cut winner, are people betting money on it?

You say nobody will separate, but you are just assuming. There is plenty of room on this board for a run-off.

Whats wrong with a tie?

What's wrong with having a run-off?

Your the one who claimed a tie makes no sense, and i was just wondering why a tie makes no sense?As far as whats wrong with having a runoff, i would like to see us get through 30-40 RB's, and if we do runoffs for every close poll, we will be here until September. There are alot of dynasty drafts coming up by spring, and it would be nice to have a solid list together. Wether Portis or LJ win a runoff, which is likely to be close again, is useless.

Fair enough. I just prefer to have more definitive ratings. There are many people who voted for someone other than the 3, so to get their point of view on the better of three would be valuable.

What exactly do you mean by this? More definitive? There is nothing definitive about ratings. These are the collective opinions of the voters, if the numbers are close, that means their values are basically equal. 44 people would take LJ as the #8 RB off the board, 43 would take Portis. Seems "definitive" enough.

But, we will never know exactly how many people would take LJ over Portis, and it is therefore less definitive than if we did know.

 

[Maroney=Speed]

Not sure if you guys saw this

BTW, just so it's out there now, I won't be doing tiebreakers; if any RB is within 3% of the top choice, I'll be listing them as 8a and 8b (maybe even 8c)

That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Makes perfect sense to me. It is not as if because we do a runoff, one of the players is going to make a clear seperation from the others. Since that is very unlikely to be the case, why waste time and board space with a runoff? It is clear that the three players here all have very similar dynasty value, why do we need a clear cut winner, are people betting money on it?

You say nobody will separate, but you are just assuming. There is plenty of room on this board for a run-off.

Whats wrong with a tie?

What's wrong with having a run-off?

This response made me Question for a question, I always say.