Dynasty & Redraft: RB Charles Sims, Buccaneers (2 Viewers)

[TeeDub]

Starting him in all my leagues if he's active. The guy is an exceptional receiver, so even with a bad line he'll be great for dump offs.

If active 80-100 total yards and a possible TD.

This week?

If Martin is out and he's active most definitely. Even if Tampa falls behind by a bunch he's one of the best receiving backs to come out in years. He could easily have 6-8 receptions in the game.

You would start him over Rainey this week if he's active?

 

[Faust]

Front Office Insider: Charles Sims could be the Buccaneers' new backfield starRoss Jones

The long-anticipated return of running back Charles Sims couldn't come at a better time for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

Sims, who fractured his ankle in August, was placed on the injured reserve-designated to return list. It appears the third-round rookie will be a significant part of the team's offensive attack moving forward.

"There's a role for him," a Buccaneers team source told FOXSports.com. "While he might not get No. 1 carries right away, he's definitely a third-down back and could possibly be a factor in the screen game. He's a player that has that game-breaking ability."

For whatever reason, the Buccaneers rank 31st in the league in rushing yards. Among the contributing factors are subpar offensive line play, lack of yards after contact and often playing from behind. It's an area coach Lovie Smith said this week needs improvement.

"We need more production from the running game, period," Smith told reporters.

The injuries to Sims and running back Mike James before the regular season began allowed Doug Martin to get "bell-cow back"-type carries. But after exiting Week 1's game with a knee injury and not playing in the next two games, Martin hasn't found his rhythm and is averaging just 2.9 yards a carry. Last Sunday, Martin was knocked out again with an ankle injury, the severity of which is unknown. Bobby Rainey, who the Bucs claimed off waivers from the Cleveland Browns last October, has been the team's most consistent option.

Entering the season, the Buccaneers' philosophy, as one source put it, "was to always have a pass catcher out of the backfield." Smith and running backs coach Tim Spencer employed the likes of Matt Forte during their days in Chicago.

When the Bucs selected Sims in May, Smith recalled a story of Spencer watching Sims at the Senior Bowl in January and recognizing similar characteristics between him and Forte. With 203 receptions in four seasons at stops including the University of Houston and West Virginia, Sims figures to give Tampa Bay's offense the boost it has needed.

"He can beat you with his feet and his hands," West Virginia running backs coach JaJuan Seider told FOXSports.com this week. "He's just as good a wide receiver as he is a starting running back. The way that he practices makes playing easy. I've never seen a kid work as hard as him."

Seider, Sims' former position coach, went on to say that he was even a better teammate than player.

"I joke you not, we are in the thick of the Big 12 right now, and I really believe a lot of it stems from Charles," Seider said. "He set the tone for a lot of the guys on the team. He taught a lot of guys how to practice and how to become a close-knit family."

At 6-foot-1, 215 pounds, Sims is a big back who can create matchup problems. The question is how quickly he will be able to grasp the speed of the game and apply that game-breaking talent into production on the field.

 

[Jack White]

Starting him in all my leagues if he's active. The guy is an exceptional receiver, so even with a bad line he'll be great for dump offs.

If active 80-100 total yards and a possible TD.

This week?

If Martin is out and he's active most definitely. Even if Tampa falls behind by a bunch he's one of the best receiving backs to come out in years. He could easily have 6-8 receptions in the game.

You would start him over Rainey this week if he's active?

Hell yes.

 

[georg013]

Thanks Faust. Stories like that is why I log in by the minute.

 

[TeeDub]

Starting him in all my leagues if he's active. The guy is an exceptional receiver, so even with a bad line he'll be great for dump offs.

If active 80-100 total yards and a possible TD.

This week?

If Martin is out and he's active most definitely. Even if Tampa falls behind by a bunch he's one of the best receiving backs to come out in years. He could easily have 6-8 receptions in the game.

You would start him over Rainey this week if he's active?

Hell yes.

Let me specify...in PPR and if sims doesn't get one full practice this week?

 

[ILUVBEER99]

Starting him in all my leagues if he's active. The guy is an exceptional receiver, so even with a bad line he'll be great for dump offs.

If active 80-100 total yards and a possible TD.

This week?

If Martin is out and he's active most definitely. Even if Tampa falls behind by a bunch he's one of the best receiving backs to come out in years. He could easily have 6-8 receptions in the game.

You would start him over Rainey this week if he's active?

Hell yes.

Let me specify...in PPR and if sims doesn't get one full practice this week?

Sims has been practicing for awhile. Also Sims is a WAY better receiver than Rainey, PPR is where Sims will shine.

Rainey is a bum, he's not an obstacle in the least.

 

[DexterDew]

I cashed in my one Sims ticket. Made my profit and will let the owner of Martin/Rainey take the risk of a rookie RB coming off an injury.

 

[packersfan]

I'm trying to temper my enthusiasm but with Martin hurt and all the pro-Sims vibes coming out of Tampa Bay has me a bit giddy about what he might be able to do this week if Martin can't play. Even if Rainey starts, Sims could be a factor in the passing game and reach RB3 status (at least) in PPR.

 

[TeeDub]

The hate for Rainey in here is amazing. I do believe Sims will eventually take over, but no way this week at not even close to 100%. No way lovie throws it all at sims this week, especially when Rainey can catch himself

 

[TeeDub]

We'll find out this sunday

 

[King of the Jungle]

The hate for Rainey in here is amazing. I do believe Sims will eventually take over, but no way this week at not even close to 100%. No way lovie throws it all at sims this week, especially when Rainey can catch himself

The team is 1-6 and probably rooting for the first overall pick in next years draft. There is no reason for them to not see what they have in any rookies that they may think will be a part of the rebuilding process.

 

[packersfan]

I think Rainey's a solid player but there are no reports that I'm aware of talking about how excited the Bucs are to get Rainey on the field or that he could be looking at a significant offensive role the rest of the season.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

The hype is getting a little outta control. Remember the Bucs o-line is the same hot mess it's been all season. That said, I think he's as good a mid season gamble as any, and the upside is real.

 

[shadyridr]

The hype is getting a little outta control. Remember the Bucs o-line is the same hot mess it's been all season. That said, I think he's as good a mid season gamble as any, and the upside is real.

i thought i read the oline actually has graded put decently. And rainey has well over a 4 YPC. The issue seems to be Martin

 

[packersfan]

Perhaps most importantly the Bucs' D is pretty bad so they likely will be playing from behind a lot. That means more passing attempts which plays into Sims' strengths. Even if he were to be in a timeshare with Rainey his receiving potential gives him promising upside in PPR leagues.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

The hype is getting a little outta control. Remember the Bucs o-line is the same hot mess it's been all season. That said, I think he's as good a mid season gamble as any, and the upside is real.

i thought i read the oline actually has graded put decently. And rainey has well over a 4 YPC. The issue seems to be Martin

The line is the worst in the league at run blocking. They played well one game and it happened to be one that Rainey started. Since then he's been running a bunch of 3rd and 20 draws while trailing by 28 points and still can't get up to 4ypc.

Martin has actually looked decent running with the ball, there's just nowhere to go.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

The hype is getting a little outta control. Remember the Bucs o-line is the same hot mess it's been all season. That said, I think he's as good a mid season gamble as any, and the upside is real.

I could live with 10 dump offs

 

[ILUVBEER99]

The hype is getting a little outta control. Remember the Bucs o-line is the same hot mess it's been all season. That said, I think he's as good a mid season gamble as any, and the upside is real.

I could live with 10 dump offs

yup, also Sims can line up in the slot, he's an outstanding receiver.

 

[Ilov80s]

I believe the hype because I have no choice. In Sims I trust.

 

[McGarnicle]

I believe the hype because I have no choice. In Sims I trust.

Same here, it's either him, Hyde or Crowell. Starting him if he's active and hoping for the best.

 

[georg013]

Always some negative Nelly in every thread trying to derail the hype on a player. But but but...I own his direct competition so he cant be any good. Funny actually. Martin and Rainey owners. You had your chance and fell on your fat faces. Move aside and let the rookie get some reps.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

FIRE IT UP!!

 

[Raiderfan32904]

 

[Darryl Talley]

ILUVBEER... tell me more about this Charles Sims

 

[mnmplayer]

I got this guy on my ir. If he comes off ir this week I need to make a move before that happens or my roster will be locked and I will need to drop two guys instead of one for a waiver claim as I won't be able to stash him in the ir spot any longer. Is there any chance he doesn't play until week 10? I don't really need him so I might be more motivated for a trade. How certain he gets activated this week?

 

[BigJim®]

I got this guy on my ir. If he comes off ir this week I need to make a move before that happens or my roster will be locked and I will need to drop two guys instead of one for a waiver claim as I won't be able to stash him in the ir spot any longer. Is there any chance he doesn't play until week 10? I don't really need him so I might be more motivated for a trade. How certain he gets activated this week?

Am I understanding right that you need to make room for an IR player before the team itself removes him from IR?

 

[mnmplayer]

No my roster will be locked from making transactions if he comes off ir. So I got 17 spots +1 ir spot. So right now I got 18 guys but if he gets activated I need to drop someone to play him or I can just keep him in the ir spot and keep 18 players unless I make a roster move. Then I would need to get back down to 17. I will not play him this week so I can keep him, but I won't get to make another transaction without getting back down to 17 once he is activated.

 

[BigJim®]

You lost me. I am not clear why you risk dropping 2 players instead of 1 for a waiver claim if you have him on IR. I actually don't need to understand to answer your question. If you are at any risk of anything at all if the Bucs activate Sims week 9, I'd make necessary moves.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

You lost me. I am not clear why you risk dropping 2 players instead of 1 for a waiver claim if you have him on IR. I actually don't need to understand to answer your question. If you are at any risk of anything at all if the Bucs activate Sims week 9, I'd make necessary moves.

he's not at any risk of anything --- sims is in his ir spot, so when tb pull him off ir the guy has the benefit of a bonus body on his roster.

he won't be able to add another player because he's over the limit, even if it's a typical drop/add, so this means he's gotta trim down one body at some point to get back into the waiver hunts.

 

[BigJim®]

I don't understand why a league would not allow waiver activity in this situation, if he's allowed to leave Sims on IR and makes the necessary waiver drop to make room for a FA. This situation doesn't impact my waiver processes in any way,

I'm more curious why mnmplayer doesn't need Charles Sims though, and wants to trade him rather than making room. Is this a redraft? What would you hope to get for him?

 

[ILUVBEER99]

ILUVBEER... tell me more about this Charles Sims

he's compared to Forte but Forte is a much better pure running back.

Sim's is tough to pigeonhole but i'd compare his future role more to a Vereen type, receiver 1st, RB 2nd.

 

[Jack White]

Starting him in all my leagues if he's active. The guy is an exceptional receiver, so even with a bad line he'll be great for dump offs.

If active 80-100 total yards and a possible TD.

This week?

If Martin is out and he's active most definitely. Even if Tampa falls behind by a bunch he's one of the best receiving backs to come out in years. He could easily have 6-8 receptions in the game.

You would start him over Rainey this week if he's active?

Hell yes.

Let me specify...in PPR and if sims doesn't get one full practice this week?

Sims has been practicing for awhile. Also Sims is a WAY better receiver than Rainey, PPR is where Sims will shine.

Rainey is a bum, he's not an obstacle in the least.

Exactly.

 

[ourmanflint]

The hype is getting a little outta control. Remember the Bucs o-line is the same hot mess it's been all season. That said, I think he's as good a mid season gamble as any, and the upside is real.

i thought i read the oline actually has graded put decently. And rainey has well over a 4 YPC. The issue seems to be Martin

The line is the worst in the league at run blocking. They played well one game and it happened to be one that Rainey started. Since then he's been running a bunch of 3rd and 20 draws while trailing by 28 points and still can't get up to 4ypc.

Martin has actually looked decent running with the ball, there's just nowhere to go.

They grade out slightly below middle of the pack. If fact, they grade just below the Packers and just ahead of the Giants.

 

[Grahamburn]

Let me know when they get some linemen back off IR.

 

[mikel0254]

If he comes off IR this week, I'll be forced to drop a player from my roster. Seeing as my RB's are full of upside guys (Tre Mason, Hyde, Oliver, McKinnon), I might have to drop Doug Martin. That will be an interesting decision...anyone else in this boat?

 

[FreeBaGeL]

The hype is getting a little outta control. Remember the Bucs o-line is the same hot mess it's been all season. That said, I think he's as good a mid season gamble as any, and the upside is real.

i thought i read the oline actually has graded put decently. And rainey has well over a 4 YPC. The issue seems to be Martin

The line is the worst in the league at run blocking. They played well one game and it happened to be one that Rainey started. Since then he's been running a bunch of 3rd and 20 draws while trailing by 28 points and still can't get up to 4ypc.

Martin has actually looked decent running with the ball, there's just nowhere to go.

They grade out slightly below middle of the pack. If fact, they grade just below the Packers and just ahead of the Giants.

Source?

Footballoutsiders has them 30th in run blocking, just behind Carolina.

 

[Gvindy]

They're going to get him out in space alot. So obviously run blocking is important, but I see alot of garbage time receptions in his future padding his stats. Greg Auman the Tampa beat writer expects 10+ touches this week. If that happens, that tells us alot about this situation. If he can make good with those, maybe he is a consistent 15 touch guy down the stretch. I'll take that...

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Charles Sims - RB - Buccaneers

Bucs beat writer Greg Auman sees 10-plus touches for Charles Sims (ankle) Sunday.

It sounds like a lot for a rookie that has been on IR/return all season, but it speaks to the kind of role the Bucs want him to have. Doug Martin (ankle) is in a walking boot and highly questionable, possibly leaving Sims and Bobby Rainey as the top-two backs against the Browns' No. 30 run defense Sunday. "There's no doubt, when (Sims) is ready to go, he will give us a spark," coach Lovie Smith said. "I feel pretty confident in saying that."

Related: Bobby Rainey

Source: Greg Auman on Twitter

Oct 30 - 9:47 AM

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

so shouldnt they have activated him by now?

 

[packersfan]

I'm way too giddy about this.

 

[McGarnicle]

If he comes off IR this week, I'll be forced to drop a player from my roster. Seeing as my RB's are full of upside guys (Tre Mason, Hyde, Oliver, McKinnon), I might have to drop Doug Martin. That will be an interesting decision...anyone else in this boat?

I would do that in a heartbeat.

 

[just_want_2_win]

From RW:

Bucs beat writer Greg Auman sees 10-plus touches for Charles Sims (ankle) Sunday.
It sounds like a lot for a rookie that has been on IR/return all season, but it speaks to the kind of role the Bucs want him to have. Doug Martin (ankle) is in a walking boot and highly questionable, possibly leaving Sims and Bobby Rainey as the top-two backs against the Browns' No. 30 run defense Sunday. "There's no doubt, when (Sims) is ready to go, he will give us a spark," coach Lovie Smith said. "I feel pretty confident in saying that

 

[mquinnjr]

I'm way too giddy about this.

Might flex him this week over Tre. I know, tell us more about your roster, but I feel like Sims owners are making similar decisions this week. Not starting with confidence, since we technically haven't seen what we've got here. But, I'm willing to bite at flex on the info I've gotten here in line with his situation in the TB offense vs. RB's in cloudier Team Offense situations/roles.

 

[SCT]

I'll play him for Gio if he doesn't go.

 

[JamesTheScot]

ILUVBEER... tell me more about this Charles Sims

he's compared to Forte but Forte is a much better pure running back.

Sim's is tough to pigeonhole but i'd compare his future role more to a Vereen type, receiver 1st, RB 2nd.

There's a certain irony to saying that Forte is a more talented runner than a rookie when Forte's talent was marginalized when he was an incoming rookie.

Forte was considered a solid, all-around RB but actually kinda meh in the talent department. And it took him a while to shed the compiler/plodder label put on him by the haters who had to recognize/explain his production despite supposedly lacking some in the talent department.

So that's what I remember when people try to marginalize Sims's running ability when comparing him to Forte. We have the benefit of hindsight with Forte and maybe some revisionist history as well.

That said, as a Sims owner, I am a little surprised by the hype. So much of it has developed AFTER Sims got injured...which means it isn't really being generated by him, but more by the situation. And I think it's a bit dangerous to confuse talent, which has long term implications, with situation, which can be fleeting. I got him for cheap in my rookie draft in May, but I've had several people sniffing around this week, these being the same people who let me sign him for cheap in the Spring.

So I think there is definitely a component of people just trying to find lightning in a bottle at this point in the season rather than genuine belief in his talent which should be able to stand on its own.

 

[shadyridr]

Might flex him over VJax

 

[Jack White]

The hate for Rainey in here is amazing. I do believe Sims will eventually take over, but no way this week at not even close to 100%. No way lovie throws it all at sims this week, especially when Rainey can catch himself

With all due respect, you don't know that.

The only reasons Rainey has the numbers he has is because DMart has been hurt (and sucks). Once there is a better player vying for snaps and touches, he's going to be irrelevant.

Is Sims that guy? Again, no one knows for sure. But we know Rainey is not good.

 

[BigJim®]

FBG Week 9 Sleepers email from Bob Henry says Doug Martin will not play this weekend. Has that been officially announced elsewhere?

Charles Sims/Bobby Rainey, TB at CLE
Denard Robinson ran for 127 yards against them two weeks ago and eight different backs have finished with double digit points against them with Darren McFadden being the last one. Doug Martin won’t play this week due to a sprained ankle leaving the lead back duties to either Bobby Rainey or rookie Charles Sims, who is eligible to come off the short-term injured reserve list for this week’s game. The Browns are allowing an average of 118 yards rushing, 43 yards receiving and 1.6 TDs per game to opposing backs for the seventh most points allowed. The coaches might wait a week to activate Sims, but pay attention in case they activatehim as he could be a worthwhile pick-up-and-play option even behind the struggling Bucs offensive line.

 

[shadyridr]

Welp just traded VJax away so might start him in flex over Baby Hawk. Probably not though I am intrigued

 

[ourmanflint]

The hype is getting a little outta control. Remember the Bucs o-line is the same hot mess it's been all season. That said, I think he's as good a mid season gamble as any, and the upside is real.

i thought i read the oline actually has graded put decently. And rainey has well over a 4 YPC. The issue seems to be Martin

The line is the worst in the league at run blocking. They played well one game and it happened to be one that Rainey started. Since then he's been running a bunch of 3rd and 20 draws while trailing by 28 points and still can't get up to 4ypc.

Martin has actually looked decent running with the ball, there's just nowhere to go.

They grade out slightly below middle of the pack. If fact, they grade just below the Packers and just ahead of the Giants.

Source?

Footballoutsiders has them 30th in run blocking, just behind Carolina.

PFF

Incidentally, PFF has them at 30th in pass blocking.