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[Dynasty] Todd Gurley (3 Viewers)
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Blackjacks
Footballguy
So torn..........
I am a STL fan and have the #1 pick in our dynasty rookie and fa draft.
I want Gurley bad but CJ Anderson was a fa at the end of our waiver wire process last year and I feel I have to go him.
Gurley's injury history scares me but he is dynamite and I cant wait to cheer him on every Sunday!
I am a STL fan and have the #1 pick in our dynasty rookie and fa draft.
I want Gurley bad but CJ Anderson was a fa at the end of our waiver wire process last year and I feel I have to go him.
Gurley's injury history scares me but he is dynamite and I cant wait to cheer him on every Sunday!
Sebowski
Footballguy
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Blackjacks
Footballguy
Not to turn this into a CJ vs Gurley or Melvin conversation but why?
Injury concerns
offensive talent concern
Offensive coordinator concerns
CJ is young and I have seen him.
Why have so much faith in 2 rookies who we haven't seen and 1 who is coming off a major injury
jurb26
Footballguy
You have 3 options here. 1. Draft GurleyNot to turn this into a CJ vs Gurley or Melvin conversation but why?
Injury concerns
offensive talent concern
Offensive coordinator concerns
CJ is young and I have seen him.
Why have so much faith in 2 rookies who we haven't seen and 1 who is coming off a major injury
2. Draft Cooper
3. Trade the pick.
Gurley is currently ranked as the 19 overall player in dynasty. Cooper is 23. Anderson..... Not even in the top 50 (57).
There are plenty of good reasons for this but there is no need to get into them. If you like Anderson that much. Trade the pick or draft Gurely/Cooper and trade them. Drafting Anderson is the equivalent of throwing money into a fire. It shouldn't even be considered. Sorry, but this harsh reality needs to be said.
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Shutout
Footballguy
Agree. Even if you're right and Anderson ISYou have 3 options here. 1. Draft GurleyNot to turn this into a CJ vs Gurley or Melvin conversation but why?
Injury concerns
offensive talent concern
Offensive coordinator concerns
CJ is young and I have seen him.
Why have so much faith in 2 rookies who we haven't seen and 1 who is coming off a major injury
2. Draft Cooper
3. Trade the pick.
Gurley is currently ranked as the 19 overall player in dynasty. Cooper is 23. Anderson..... Not even in the top 50 (57).
There are plenty of good reasons for this but there is no need to get into them. If you like Anderson that much. Trade the pick or draft Gurely/Cooper and trade them. Drafting Anderson is the equivalent of throwing money into a fire. It shouldn't even be considered. Sorry, but this harsh reality needs to be said.
All that and a bag of chips, you're doing yourself a disservice if you don't at least trade into the position of getting him and leveraging the value.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Until the next guy that's also right takes CJ at 3. Now you're at 6 with your "leveraged value" and drafting a guy you don't like.Agree. Even if you're right and Anderson ISYou have 3 options here.1. Draft GurleyNot to turn this into a CJ vs Gurley or Melvin conversation but why?
Injury concerns
offensive talent concern
Offensive coordinator concerns
CJ is young and I have seen him.
Why have so much faith in 2 rookies who we haven't seen and 1 who is coming off a major injury
2. Draft Cooper
3. Trade the pick.
Gurley is currently ranked as the 19 overall player in dynasty. Cooper is 23. Anderson..... Not even in the top 50 (57).
There are plenty of good reasons for this but there is no need to get into them. If you like Anderson that much. Trade the pick or draft Gurely/Cooper and trade them. Drafting Anderson is the equivalent of throwing money into a fire. It shouldn't even be considered. Sorry, but this harsh reality needs to be said.
All that and a bag of chips, you're doing yourself a disservice if you don't at least trade into the position of getting him and leveraging the value.
All you gotta be is right.
jurb26
Footballguy
It is about getting it right. If that means you get it right because some else made your preconceived mistake before you get the chance too. That's works as well.Until the next guy that's also right takes CJ at 3. Now you're at 6 with your "leveraged value" and drafting a guy you don't like.Agree. Even if you're right and Anderson ISAll that and a bag of chips, you're doing yourself a disservice if you don't at least trade into the position of getting him and leveraging the value.You have 3 options here.1. Draft GurleyNot to turn this into a CJ vs Gurley or Melvin conversation but why?not even a tough call
Injury concerns
offensive talent concern
Offensive coordinator concerns
CJ is young and I have seen him.
Why have so much faith in 2 rookies who we haven't seen and 1 who is coming off a major injury
2. Draft Cooper
3. Trade the pick.
Gurley is currently ranked as the 19 overall player in dynasty. Cooper is 23. Anderson..... Not even in the top 50 (57).
There are plenty of good reasons for this but there is no need to get into them. If you like Anderson that much. Trade the pick or draft Gurely/Cooper and trade them. Drafting Anderson is the equivalent of throwing money into a fire. It shouldn't even be considered. Sorry, but this harsh reality needs to be said.
All you gotta be is right.
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Blackjacks
Footballguy
I cant really pick Gurley and hold him for a Kings ransom.It is about getting it right. If that means you get it right because some else made your preconceived mistake before you get the chance too. That's works as well.Until the next guy that's also right takes CJ at 3. Now you're at 6 with your "leveraged value" and drafting a guy you don't like.Agree. Even if you're right and Anderson ISAll that and a bag of chips, you're doing yourself a disservice if you don't at least trade into the position of getting him and leveraging the value.You have 3 options here.1. Draft GurleyNot to turn this into a CJ vs Gurley or Melvin conversation but why?
Injury concerns
offensive talent concern
Offensive coordinator concerns
CJ is young and I have seen him.
Why have so much faith in 2 rookies who we haven't seen and 1 who is coming off a major injury
2. Draft Cooper
3. Trade the pick.
Gurley is currently ranked as the 19 overall player in dynasty. Cooper is 23. Anderson..... Not even in the top 50 (57).
There are plenty of good reasons for this but there is no need to get into them. If you like Anderson that much. Trade the pick or draft Gurely/Cooper and trade them. Drafting Anderson is the equivalent of throwing money into a fire. It shouldn't even be considered. Sorry, but this harsh reality needs to be said.
All you gotta be is right.
The guy behind me owns the 2 and 3 pick. He has made it very known
he will pick which 2 I don't pick out of Anderson, Gurley or Gordan.
I just don't agree on Gurley over Anderson as I believe Anderson will give a top 10 rb performance the next 3 years.
After that, its anyways best guess.
Yeldon estimated to go 4th (I think Cooper should) AA, Cooper and Joseph Randle are probably going 5-7.
I have the 7.
Would love to have Anderson and Randle with the 1 and 7, I think both will be top 15 this year
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Are points skewed towards RBs in this league? 6 of the first 7 picks will be RBs?I cant really pick Gurley and hold him for a Kings ransom.It is about getting it right. If that means you get it right because some else made your preconceived mistake before you get the chance too. That's works as well.Until the next guy that's also right takes CJ at 3. Now you're at 6 with your "leveraged value" and drafting a guy you don't like.Agree. Even if you're right and Anderson ISAll that and a bag of chips, you're doing yourself a disservice if you don't at least trade into the position of getting him and leveraging the value.You have 3 options here.1. Draft GurleyNot to turn this into a CJ vs Gurley or Melvin conversation but why?
Injury concerns
offensive talent concern
Offensive coordinator concerns
CJ is young and I have seen him.
Why have so much faith in 2 rookies who we haven't seen and 1 who is coming off a major injury
2. Draft Cooper
3. Trade the pick.
Gurley is currently ranked as the 19 overall player in dynasty. Cooper is 23. Anderson..... Not even in the top 50 (57).
There are plenty of good reasons for this but there is no need to get into them. If you like Anderson that much. Trade the pick or draft Gurely/Cooper and trade them. Drafting Anderson is the equivalent of throwing money into a fire. It shouldn't even be considered. Sorry, but this harsh reality needs to be said.
All you gotta be is right.
The guy behind me owns the 2 and 3 pick. He has made it very known
he will pick which 2 I don't pick out of Anderson, Gurley or Gordan.
I just don't agree on Gurley over Anderson as I believe Anderson will give a top 10 rb performance the next 3 years.
After that, its anyways best guess.
Yeldon estimated to go 4th (I think Cooper should) AA, Cooper and Joseph Randle are probably going 5-7.
I have the 7.
Would love to have Anderson and Randle with the 1 and 7, I think both will be top 15 this year
How is CJ Anderson a free agent, do you close waivers super early in this league?
Hu-Tang Clan
Footballguy
I'm assuming because CJ was a fa pickup last year that he couldn't be kept by his owner so he goes back into the draft.Are points skewed towards RBs in this league? 6 of the first 7 picks will be RBs?I cant really pick Gurley and hold him for a Kings ransom.It is about getting it right. If that means you get it right because some else made your preconceived mistake before you get the chance too. That's works as well.Until the next guy that's also right takes CJ at 3. Now you're at 6 with your "leveraged value" and drafting a guy you don't like.Agree. Even if you're right and Anderson ISAll that and a bag of chips, you're doing yourself a disservice if you don't at least trade into the position of getting him and leveraging the value.You have 3 options here.1. Draft GurleyNot to turn this into a CJ vs Gurley or Melvin conversation but why?
Injury concerns
offensive talent concern
Offensive coordinator concerns
CJ is young and I have seen him.
Why have so much faith in 2 rookies who we haven't seen and 1 who is coming off a major injury
2. Draft Cooper
3. Trade the pick.
Gurley is currently ranked as the 19 overall player in dynasty. Cooper is 23. Anderson..... Not even in the top 50 (57).
There are plenty of good reasons for this but there is no need to get into them. If you like Anderson that much. Trade the pick or draft Gurely/Cooper and trade them. Drafting Anderson is the equivalent of throwing money into a fire. It shouldn't even be considered. Sorry, but this harsh reality needs to be said.
All you gotta be is right.
The guy behind me owns the 2 and 3 pick. He has made it very known
he will pick which 2 I don't pick out of Anderson, Gurley or Gordan.
I just don't agree on Gurley over Anderson as I believe Anderson will give a top 10 rb performance the next 3 years.
After that, its anyways best guess.
Yeldon estimated to go 4th (I think Cooper should) AA, Cooper and Joseph Randle are probably going 5-7.
I have the 7.
Would love to have Anderson and Randle with the 1 and 7, I think both will be top 15 this year
How is CJ Anderson a free agent, do you close waivers super early in this league?
Blackjacks
Footballguy
We stop fa pick ups at week 12 but its also a salary cap league.Are points skewed towards RBs in this league? 6 of the first 7 picks will be RBs?I cant really pick Gurley and hold him for a Kings ransom.It is about getting it right. If that means you get it right because some else made your preconceived mistake before you get the chance too. That's works as well.Until the next guy that's also right takes CJ at 3. Now you're at 6 with your "leveraged value" and drafting a guy you don't like.Agree. Even if you're right and Anderson ISAll that and a bag of chips, you're doing yourself a disservice if you don't at least trade into the position of getting him and leveraging the value.You have 3 options here.1. Draft GurleyNot to turn this into a CJ vs Gurley or Melvin conversation but why?
Injury concerns
offensive talent concern
Offensive coordinator concerns
CJ is young and I have seen him.
Why have so much faith in 2 rookies who we haven't seen and 1 who is coming off a major injury
2. Draft Cooper
3. Trade the pick.
Gurley is currently ranked as the 19 overall player in dynasty. Cooper is 23. Anderson..... Not even in the top 50 (57).
There are plenty of good reasons for this but there is no need to get into them. If you like Anderson that much. Trade the pick or draft Gurely/Cooper and trade them. Drafting Anderson is the equivalent of throwing money into a fire. It shouldn't even be considered. Sorry, but this harsh reality needs to be said.
All you gotta be is right.
The guy behind me owns the 2 and 3 pick. He has made it very known
he will pick which 2 I don't pick out of Anderson, Gurley or Gordan.
I just don't agree on Gurley over Anderson as I believe Anderson will give a top 10 rb performance the next 3 years.
After that, its anyways best guess.
Yeldon estimated to go 4th (I think Cooper should) AA, Cooper and Joseph Randle are probably going 5-7.
I have the 7.
Would love to have Anderson and Randle with the 1 and 7, I think both will be top 15 this year
How is CJ Anderson a free agent, do you close waivers super early in this league?
Almost all the owners were out of cash by the time week 12 came along.
We don't do ppr and rookie wrs aren't as valuable due to the max of signing them is a 3 year contract and their development taking
a little longer than rbs.
Sweetness_34
Footballguy
Taking CJ over Gurley is as bad as the folks who loved Willie Parker.... Did u notice he is nowhere in the league now? CJ is in a good situation but once Peyton is gone he will be uselessYou have 3 options here. 1. Draft GurleyNot to turn this into a CJ vs Gurley or Melvin conversation but why?
Injury concerns
offensive talent concern
Offensive coordinator concerns
CJ is young and I have seen him.
Why have so much faith in 2 rookies who we haven't seen and 1 who is coming off a major injury
2. Draft Cooper
3. Trade the pick.
Gurley is currently ranked as the 19 overall player in dynasty. Cooper is 23. Anderson..... Not even in the top 50 (57).
There are plenty of good reasons for this but there is no need to get into them. If you like Anderson that much. Trade the pick or draft Gurely/Cooper and trade them. Drafting Anderson is the equivalent of throwing money into a fire. It shouldn't even be considered. Sorry, but this harsh reality needs to be said.
Taking CJ over Gurley is as bad as the folks who loved Willie Parker.... Did u notice he is nowhere in the league now? CJ is in a good situation but once Peyton is gone he will be uselessYou have 3 options here. 1. Draft GurleyNot to turn this into a CJ vs Gurley or Melvin conversation but why?
Injury concerns
offensive talent concern
Offensive coordinator concerns
CJ is young and I have seen him.
Why have so much faith in 2 rookies who we haven't seen and 1 who is coming off a major injury
2. Draft Cooper
3. Trade the pick.
Gurley is currently ranked as the 19 overall player in dynasty. Cooper is 23. Anderson..... Not even in the top 50 (57).
There are plenty of good reasons for this but there is no need to get into them. If you like Anderson that much. Trade the pick or draft Gurely/Cooper and trade them. Drafting Anderson is the equivalent of throwing money into a fire. It shouldn't even be considered. Sorry, but this harsh reality needs to be said.
Willie Parker rewarded the people who bought his hype with a 1700/16 year. Eventually succumbed to broken leg plus turf toe while leading the NFL in rushing, and had to retire young.We need to stop pretending dynasty rankings are anything but guesswork and herd mentality. Ranking CJ over Gurley isn't wrong, it's just unpopular. We still have no idea whether Gurley will return from injury, nor whether he'll prove to be the best back on his own team even if he does.
If I had to make the pick, I'd go with Gurley, too. But I've sure as hell been at this long enough to know that hot rookie prospects are some of the biggest gambles out there -- doubly so when they're recovering from catastrophic injuries. ADP worshipers always come off sounding like it's their first rodeo to anyone who's been at this a while.
By the end of 2006, not too many people were high-fiving each other about having nabbed first-round pick Laurence Maroney instead of Fast Willie.
It's been a WHOLE lot of first round RB's ago since one of them justified the hype irrational fans thrust upon him.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
If the longest you can hold any player is three years and assuming you can not extend those contracts (which seems to be the case based on what you say about WRs) than taking CJ Anderson over Gurley isn't as bad a move as it would be in a real dynasty league. If Gurley sits out to start the regular season than you'd be basically wasting one year of his contract. In this league his long term value is muted by the fact that you won't be carrying him for the majority of his career, thus a one year impact of Anderson playing with Manning just may be more valuable.Blackjacks said:
Also as Black Jacks stated, the three year contract devalues WR too, so this is the odd situation where CJ may be more valuable than both Cooper and Gurley.Blackjacks
Footballguy
If you could guarantee me 3 years like FWP with my #1 dynasty pick I would take it
Rb's shelf life isn't great.
Give me 3 years of 1600 yards and 8 tds on average and I will sign up.
I know you could get better and I know Gurley could do that and better for longer but I will take the immediate results and hope for longevity.
sounds like you made up your mind a long time ago. In dynasty it's not even close, Gurley/Cooper everyday, but in a 3 year contract league I'd treat the draft as if it were a redraft league.If you could guarantee me 3 years like FWP with my #1 dynasty pick I would take it
Rb's shelf life isn't great.
Give me 3 years of 1600 yards and 8 tds on average and I will sign up.
I know you could get better and I know Gurley could do that and better for longer but I will take the immediate results and hope for longevity.
Zyphros
Footballguy
Does anyone else just hate hearing him talk? Been watching some of the clips of him lately and I don't want to say he sounds stupid but kind of uneducated. Love the talent and everything but sound smarter, or enthused or happy. Melancholy attitude it seems. Still love him though.
cstu
Footballguy
karmarooster
Footballguy
I'm a huge Gurley fan but for this year, with the injury and Mason, I'm not expecting huge things for 2015. He could be this year's version of Hill or JStew done the stretch, however, and be a force in the second half of the season.
CR69
Footballguy
As of now that's pretty much how I see it but will readjust how I feel if he's actually playing in preseason.
I've done two startup drafts this offseason and taken Gurley in both as well as having took him at 1.1 in a few rookie drafts. So I love his future but from what I've seen of redafts I think he is getting terribly overdrafted. Of course I also still believe he gets put on PUP which means he does make his debut until week 8.
Shutout
Footballguy
I get the thought on why you say over drafted but it is hard to know where to draw that line because IF he is what a LOT of people seem to think he is and he DOES become a Hill type of presence down the stretch, the pick at where he is averaging is justified because he might be what carries you home during the important part of the season.
I saw redraft leagues last year where OBJ was drafted very late and people ridiculed because of the small rosters. I saw him drafted late and then dropped after a few weeks. I saw him not even drafted initially. But at the end of the day, had someone drafted him 1.06, sure, I would have laughed right along with everyone else, but I wouldn't have laughed last. IF you have a good feeling that a guy can be a significant difference maker at the end of the season, that's what its all about. I carried CJ Anderson on a dynasty roster for a year and a half before ever using him but he paid it all back in spades when I needed him most.
ericttspikes
Footballguy
been kinda quiet about the meeting with Dr. Andrews that was supposed to have taken place by now.
still 10 days before camp opens...would make sense to meet as close to start of camp as possible, no?
ericttspikes
Footballguy
probably. there was a report June 26nd that said he was going to meet with Dr. Andrews for an examination in "a couple of weeks". Guess that could mean more than 2-weeks, and it hasn't happened yet.
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jurb26
Footballguy
Here's a teaser that should make you feel real good as a Gurley dynasty owner.
http://youtu.be/lFNzWEFacTo
http://youtu.be/lFNzWEFacTo
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
It will be a medical decision. If Andrews and the team medical staff think he is ready to go, ESPN beat reporter Nick Wagoner was under the impression they won't automatically put him on the PUP list for precautionary reasons. Still hard to see Mason not getting the majority of carries, at least in the first half of the season (and even after that juncture, they may approximately split for most if not the rest of the season). Jeremy Hill's rookie second half was mentioned, and anything is possible, but Gurley wasn't returning from a torn ACL. I'm much more excited about his dynasty than redraft prospects, though he could make a meaningful contribution in 2015 (especially in the second half - jusy don't see lightning striking twice in consecutive years, I think Hill was #1 in yardage and Y/C average in the second half of the season?).
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Todd Gurley gets some individual work as Rams open camp:
http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/19873/todd-gurley-gets-some-individual-work-as-rams-open-camp
http://espn.go.com/blog/st-louis-rams/post/_/id/19873/todd-gurley-gets-some-individual-work-as-rams-open-camp
