If the knee is so bad they feel he shouldn’t be absorbing pass blocking assignments, then they’d probably just shut him down. But my assumption is that it’s not that bad. But it’s feasible that it’s bad enough where they’d rather he pass block 10 extra times per game instead of carrying the ball those 10 times.
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[Dynasty] Todd Gurley (1 Viewer)
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Seems unlikely if it’s a significant enough of a trauma to force him out of a game ten days later, but certainly possible.
rockaction
Footballguy
I don't think this is conspiratorial in accusation. They've lied before through their teeth. They might be doing it again.
It's not like we're questioning the moon landing and Kubrick or something like that.
It's not like we're questioning the moon landing and Kubrick or something like that.
simey
Footballguy
It sounds to me like he isn't sure exactly when it happened in the game, but he started to feel it.
rockaction
Footballguy
As a guide, D. Williams of KC just was sidelined two weeks with a contusion on his knee.
Koya
Footballguy
I’ll be honest, I think the body takes as much if not more punishment from a RB blocking as running... perhaps there is less risk of getting the legs twisted which could result in a tear, so that’s fair game, but to your point, if they were really that concerned, why use up so much of what mileage he has left blocking.
Of course, none of us really know, and I don’t see why they’d lie and say it’s a contusion and not the knee but I wouldn’t be shocked if that were the case, either
You don’t think a 300 lb D-linemen smashing into your thigh in a pile could cause an injury?
Guess I’m not exactly sure what your scenario is? “In the pile” typically means on the ground. If you’re talking about him getting hit in a big mass of players while actually upright and running with the ball, but without a clear camera view of the hit, that’s absolutely plausible.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Reading some of these quote it may be up to Gurley to decide if he can play.
What do Gurley owners do if he plays?
Start him business as usual?
What do Gurley owners do if he plays?
Start him business as usual?
rockaction
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kittenmittens
Footballguy
It could also be that he is just slightly dinged with this, but they are looking for ways to limit his touches over the season anyways so why not take this opportunity?
On the flip side of that, they need this game...
I was just speculating that the absence of a video isn’t proof of a conspiracy. You’re probably right that a hit after he’s tackled wouldn’t be likely to cause this type of injury.
rockaction
Footballguy
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
What's the thought process here? They have to pay Gurley either way, and everyone already thinks they're lying...for some reason. I can't figure out the goal. It's not gonna help them retcon that contract they gave him out of existence.
Absolute worst case seems to be that at some point in the future McVay or his GM says publically "hey we paid a talented player and he wasn't the same afterwards due to his knee. It happens". And the players respect that because those types of guys don't always get the contracts their bodies have already been damaged trying to earn, the media eats it up but it passes through the news cycle quickly, and the fans are probably pissed for a while but it's still early enough in their tenure and close enough to the SB appearance that they get over it because they have a great coaching staff and front office overall.
I just don't see the upside to the conspiracy other than trying to avoid getting in trouble (fines, draft picks) for obviously lying about his health in the lead up to the SB for an attempt at a competitive advantage. But that's not the conspiracy people cite usually, especially when you bring up Gurley's big contract here. Bringing up the guaranteed money doesn't make the theory make any more sense to me, they have to pay him either way even if they messed up.
rockaction
Footballguy
You neatly summed up my question about that line of thinking as well. I don't get what the money has to do with the lying, other than PR with fans and the media, who are really for the most part totally on the Rams' side since their move back to LA. The local news covers them with kid gloves. They'd survive that hit.
I really think they might lie for competitive advantage reasons, just like they did before. That said, I believe this is a contusion. I also believe he's not the same back, contusion or not.
shadyridr
Footballguy
shadyridr
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
It's irrelevant which leg they choose to fake. It's not that out of the realm of possibility.
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
Football Jones
Footballguy
Agreed.
It's a bit of a conspiracy theory, but the "took us by surprise" comment is telling, IMO. McVay essentially retracted it later, but the damage was done as far as being upfront about the injury (as has been the case since last season).
dkp993
Footballguy
I agree I believe it to be a contusion. Also for whatever it’s worth, which isn’t much, I do think he’s the same back. I’ve watched every down since he’s been in the league and he looks no different right now to me. What is different, which I’ve said before, is the interior O line and the play calling (both by the D’s against us and McVays as he tries to counter). The wide zone running plays are not existent now in their use and effectiveness when used due to the 6/1 D played against use. Those runs were the staple of our run game.
Wrigley
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
wormburner
Footballguy
Per Rotoworld:
Rams activated RB John Kelly from the practice squad.
With Todd Gurley doubtful to play, Kelly will provide depth and special teams value as the Rams' No. 3 back behind Malcolm Brown and rookie Darrell Henderson. Kelly isn't likely to see many carries this week if he sees any at all. In a corresponding move, the Rams waived WR Nsimba Webster.
Source: Rams on Twitter
Oct 12, 2019, 3:11 PM ET
Rams activated RB John Kelly from the practice squad.
With Todd Gurley doubtful to play, Kelly will provide depth and special teams value as the Rams' No. 3 back behind Malcolm Brown and rookie Darrell Henderson. Kelly isn't likely to see many carries this week if he sees any at all. In a corresponding move, the Rams waived WR Nsimba Webster.
Source: Rams on Twitter
Oct 12, 2019, 3:11 PM ET
rockaction
Footballguy
Wrigley
Footballguy
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I think he's saying that's what he already missed time for, earlier in the season. Though every contusion would be different, that was Damien's timetable.
rockaction
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
Gurley ruled out, per Rotoworld.
Wrigley
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Football Jones
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TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
If I were to infer anything from this situation, it’d be that any lower body issue with Gurley that might potentially put undue stress on that knee is cause for concern.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Traded him away in redraft. Mainly because I’m tired of reading this thread.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Game script hasn't helped, Brown looked fine in the first quarter. Then he couldn't get into the endzone with multiple tries, and they've been playing from behind
If anything, yesterday made me feel "better" about Gurley. Brown is nothing more than a backup. Henderson now scares me more moving forward.
But this still seems to be Gurley's team when healthy.
That being said, quad injury is to same leg as knee issue and McVay needs to get his head out of the sand and figure out what to do.
But this still seems to be Gurley's team when healthy.
That being said, quad injury is to same leg as knee issue and McVay needs to get his head out of the sand and figure out what to do.
tackle for loss
Footballguy
That was one of the best defenses in the league.Payne said:
They also trailed all game, how can they run? That goal line D stand was insane. Malcolm is great at the GL, he is a vulture. He got stopped, twice. Many good RBs have gotten stopped by good goal line Ds. Malcolm has shown he is a good RB, but you seem to forget all of that because of one game against a good D.
VikingFrog
Footballguy
They did not trail until the 3rd quarter and even then only be 7.
Trailing shouldn’t mean don’t run.
