DYNASTY: Top 2013 College Prospects (1 Viewer)

[identikit]

NFP's Top 200 Draft Prospects - Version 5.0

Russ Lande giving Ryan Nassib the highest (Pro-bowl) grade has to be contraversal. I don't see it. Nassib's highlights reminds me Blaine Gabbert's highlights. The offensive system looks exactly the same. He takes every snap out of the shotgun and rarely gets to his second read. He has a Jake Locker type arm but unfortunely also has some of Locker's accuracy and decision making issues. Huge leap of faith to say that he will develop into a Pro bowl caliber QB.

Somebody else ranked him first recently. Sorry no link. Can't remember who. I don't see it. I'd take Barkley and his terrible final year over Nassib

I believe it was Lande.

 

[tdmills]

Yeah, if I say Patterson is overrated it must be because I haven't seen him play.



Please. There's tons of footage of him online. And I actually did catch some Tennessee games this year. Hunter is the one who stood out.

I think Patterson could be a big time bust. His highlights show that he's tall and fast, and that he can run in the open field. But beyond that you don't see him doing a lot of the obvious WR things like running precise routes, catching jump balls, or catching passes away from his body. He actually only had one 100+ yard receiving game all season. It's almost like all of his hype is based on that one reverse play against NC State where he made a few nice moves.

People look at the raw athletic parts and think they can mold him into a dominant WR in time. And maybe that's what will happen. But I think there's a lot of risk there. I haven't felt this leery of a lock first round WR prospect since DHB and Ted Ginn. As good as the pro scouts are, they miss pretty badly sometimes. It's been a while since we had a Donte Stallworth, Robert Meachem, or Ashley Lelie. This guy has a bit of that vibe for me.

18. WR Cordarrelle Patterson, Tennessee - I've seen Patterson ranked as a possible first round pick and that surprises me. I don't really think he's that good. Yes, he is a dangerous open field runner, but he doesn't look like a special receiver in terms of route running and pass catching. He only had one 100+ yard game all season, and it came against lowly Troy. In his defense, he's a JUCO transfer who's still getting acclimated to major college ball. It would not be completely realistic to expect instance dominance. Nevertheless, he strikes me as an overrated prospect. I will definitely go back and review a lot more of him before the draft rolls around though.

The bolded strikes me as not seeing many games on him, if i'm wrong so be it. However, I don't think it's a stretch given your analysis. I've watched probably 7 of Patterson's games this past season and came away with a much different perspective.

 

[EBF]

One thing you realize after having debates about various players over the years is that two people can look at the exact same prospect and draw radically different conclusions. When some people watch Darren McFadden, they see a top 10 NFL back with insane talent. When I watch Darren McFadden, I see a flawed runner with a lot of deficiencies. Does this mean that I haven't seen McFadden play? No, of course not. I just means that I value different traits and have a different interpretation of his abilities. Bringing it back to Patterson, the reason why I'm leery of him is because I'm not really seeing all the things everyone says are there. He'll still rank pretty highly on my final board if he ends up being a high pick because I put a lot of stock in what the professional evaluators think about players and because there aren't a lot of great options in this draft, but I'll stand by my statement that he's a bigger bust risk than his hype would indicate. He's a bigger risk than the typical first round WR prospect. If I were an NFL GM, I wouldn't have a first round grade on him. The reason I mentioned guys like Lelie, Ginn, Stallworth, DHB, and Meachem is not because they're perfect clones of Patterson in terms of playing style, but rather because they're good examples of players who were overrated in the build up to the draft despite having some serious flaws. It's been a few years since we had a guy like that, but it will happen again.

 

[jurb26]

Yeah, if I say Patterson is overrated it must be because I haven't seen him play.



Please. There's tons of footage of him online. And I actually did catch some Tennessee games this year. Hunter is the one who stood out.

I think Patterson could be a big time bust. His highlights show that he's tall and fast, and that he can run in the open field. But beyond that you don't see him doing a lot of the obvious WR things like running precise routes, catching jump balls, or catching passes away from his body. He actually only had one 100+ yard receiving game all season. It's almost like all of his hype is based on that one reverse play against NC State where he made a few nice moves.

People look at the raw athletic parts and think they can mold him into a dominant WR in time. And maybe that's what will happen. But I think there's a lot of risk there. I haven't felt this leery of a lock first round WR prospect since DHB and Ted Ginn. As good as the pro scouts are, they miss pretty badly sometimes. It's been a while since we had a Donte Stallworth, Robert Meachem, or Ashley Lelie. This guy has a bit of that vibe for me.

18. WR Cordarrelle Patterson, Tennessee - I've seen Patterson ranked as a possible first round pick and that surprises me. I don't really think he's that good. Yes, he is a dangerous open field runner, but he doesn't look like a special receiver in terms of route running and pass catching. He only had one 100+ yard game all season, and it came against lowly Troy. In his defense, he's a JUCO transfer who's still getting acclimated to major college ball. It would not be completely realistic to expect instance dominance. Nevertheless, he strikes me as an overrated prospect. I will definitely go back and review a lot more of him before the draft rolls around though.

The bolded strikes me as not seeing many games on him, if i'm wrong so be it. However, I don't think it's a stretch given your analysis. I've watched probably 7 of Patterson's games this past season and came away with a much different perspective.

Truth be told, I felt similar to EBF about Patterson until I did exactly what he said he was going to do. I went back and watched several of his games because I didn't get to see them in the regulator season. That changed my opinion of him drastically.I have both the 2 and 3 overall picks in one of my dynasty leagues and in this league I can roster a college player as well. I'm in dire need of WR and therefore am looking at all these guys extensively. I'll likely go college pick with one of those spots and WR with the other. I'm assuming the guy ahead of me will go college player or take Lacy/Bernard as he needs RB help. So I'll get to pick who I see as the best unrostered WR and a college pick. As of today, I've got Patterson as the best WR in this class.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

Any time there's a big disparity between my view of a prospect and what the professionals think of him, it's a warning that I might be way off the mark. I'm probably more down on Patterson than I should be. He's a nifty runner in the open field and he looks like has some speed and quickness. But when people compare him to guys like Demaryius Thomas and Julio Jones, it seems like a stretch to me. I don't see that kind of amazing ability. And while college production isn't everything, I'd hope that my draft-eligible first round WR could do better than 46 catches for 778 yards in his final season.

He had a stretch of games in the middle of the season where his receiving yardage totals were 20, 31, 25, 25, and 26. One monster game against Troy. Otherwise pretty quiet. Maybe it's the JC factor and the lack of experience. Chad Johnson had a similar season in his only year at Oregon State and he turned out okay. I would take a chance on a guy like this for the right price, but as a top 15-20 NFL draft pick and a top 3-4 rookie pick, the price is a bit too rich for me.

You know who else had 46 catches in his final season in college (and career high for his 3 year college career)? The guy you listed above: Demaryius Thomas.

Thomas did end up with more yards, but it was such a huge jump compared to his 1st 2 years that it definitely looked flukish (25 ypc). Patterson's #'s are still an explosive 17 ypc.

Well there's a pretty huge difference between the team that Demaryious Thomas played on in college at Georgia Tech and the one Cordarelle Patterson played on at Tennessee. Cordarelle Patterson played on a team with an NFL quality QB that threw the ball 477 times. Demaryious played on a team that ran a wishbone offense, had a glorified RB as their QB who completed just 46% of his passes, and they only threw the ball 168 times all year long. I think if 2009 Demaryious played on the 2012 Tennesse team, he has way more than 46 receptions.

Tenn also had an experienced WR who will also be a 2nd or 3rd round NFL pick himself already established on the roster. The fact that Patterson jumped into this situation, with only 3 years of organized football experience and coming from a junior college and produced speaks volumes to his ability. Funny how that was left out.

Sure, playing opposite another NFL talent means Cordarelle got less targets than he otherwise would, but I don't see how that comes close to making up for the over 300 passing attempt differential that he was the beneficiary of relative to Demaryious. And I consider Cordarelle's lack of experience and time in JUCO to be a negative characteristic, so I don't see how bringing that up is supposed to make someone feel better about his NFL prospects or is a reason for forgiveness for his lack of NCAA success.

It matters because Tenn plays a Pro-Style passing game system. One that would certainly be harder to learn for a guy with only 3 years of organized football experience, new to a team and on a team with an already established WR1 who will also be drafted highly in the NFL. It was clear by the way Tenn used Patterson that the saw something in him that was undeniable and they forced him the ball in multiple situations; WR, RB, KO and punts. His athletism jumps off the screen, even in the SEC.The bottom line is that NCAA statitisical succuss is one of the worst indicators of future NFL success. On top of that, I'd say given the circumstances he was highly successful in his one year at Tenn. In case you didn't know, he set a school record for all-purpose yardage with 1,858 yards and he scored 10 total touchdowns (5 receiving, 3 rushing, 1 kickoff return, and 1 punt return). If that isn't success, then what is? Successful enough that he will be drafted in the top 25 picks of the NFL this coming April.

Again, yes it matters, but Cordarelle having a NFL talent WR across from him is far less of a crutch than Demaryious being on a team that only threw the ball 168 times; the comparison makes no sense. Obviously Tennessee saw something in Cordarelle, everybody does; he's tremendously atheltic and fast for his size, but that alone isn't enough to be a successful fantasy WR in the NFL, which is all I care about; hence his returning ability and likely rushing ability are irrelevant to me.

And no one is claiming NCAA statistical success alone predicts future success, it's just a part of the equation just like watching film is; to ignore NCAA stats or film completely is foolish, the more information you have the better. And in regard to Cordarelle, there are plenty of reasons not to like him when you ignore stats and watch film, such as his extreme lack of WR skills for a WR who is likely to go in the first round; maybe he can develop WR skills in the NFL, but I'm certainly not willing to assume that he'll be able to assuredly.

 

[tdmills]

One thing you realize after having debates about various players over the years is that two people can look at the exact same prospect and draw radically different conclusions. When some people watch Darren McFadden, they see a top 10 NFL back with insane talent. When I watch Darren McFadden, I see a flawed runner with a lot of deficiencies. Does this mean that I haven't seen McFadden play? No, of course not. I just means that I value different traits and have a different interpretation of his abilities. Bringing it back to Patterson, the reason why I'm leery of him is because I'm not really seeing all the things everyone says are there. He'll still rank pretty highly on my final board if he ends up being a high pick because I put a lot of stock in what the professional evaluators think about players and because there aren't a lot of great options in this draft, but I'll stand by my statement that he's a bigger bust risk than his hype would indicate. He's a bigger risk than the typical first round WR prospect. If I were an NFL GM, I wouldn't have a first round grade on him. The reason I mentioned guys like Lelie, Ginn, Stallworth, DHB, and Meachem is not because they're perfect clones of Patterson in terms of playing style, but rather because they're good examples of players who were overrated in the build up to the draft despite having some serious flaws. It's been a few years since we had a guy like that, but it will happen again.

First off, of course two people can watch the same game/clip/film and draw two different conclusions. We're in the SP to learn about others opinions.It's unfair to label Patterson with Lelie/Ginn/Stallworth/DHB/Meachem. Those are some of the worst first round bust WRs in recent memory. Greg Little, Demaryius Thomas, Percy Harvin, Josh Gordon, Stephen Hill, Randall Cobb all either were raw coming out as a WR or they didn't have consistently solid statistics at the WR position.

 

[tdmills]

Here are 8 minutes of highlights of Patterson

 

[MAC_32]

Feels like the Patterson supporters are blindly ignoring his glaring on field product issues. That's a mistake.

 

[EBF]

It's unfair to label Patterson with Lelie/Ginn/Stallworth/DHB/Meachem.

It would be unfair to assume that he'll be a bust like those guys, but it's not unfair to consider the possibility. Obviously we know with the benefit of hindsight that players like Meachem, Stallworth, and Lelie didn't work out. But you don't have the benefit of hindsight when you're drafting rookies. There were plenty of people who were excited about those guys when they were entering the draft. Maybe 4-5 years from now we'll look back on Patterson the same way we view a guy like Stallworth or Meachem. Dynamic in certain ways, but not a great receiver. I think it's a possibility. Not a certainty.

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

One thing you realize after having debates about various players over the years is that two people can look at the exact same prospect and draw radically different conclusions. When some people watch Darren McFadden, they see a top 10 NFL back with insane talent. When I watch Darren McFadden, I see a flawed runner with a lot of deficiencies. Does this mean that I haven't seen McFadden play? No, of course not. I just means that I value different traits and have a different interpretation of his abilities. Bringing it back to Patterson, the reason why I'm leery of him is because I'm not really seeing all the things everyone says are there. He'll still rank pretty highly on my final board if he ends up being a high pick because I put a lot of stock in what the professional evaluators think about players and because there aren't a lot of great options in this draft, but I'll stand by my statement that he's a bigger bust risk than his hype would indicate. He's a bigger risk than the typical first round WR prospect. If I were an NFL GM, I wouldn't have a first round grade on him. The reason I mentioned guys like Lelie, Ginn, Stallworth, DHB, and Meachem is not because they're perfect clones of Patterson in terms of playing style, but rather because they're good examples of players who were overrated in the build up to the draft despite having some serious flaws. It's been a few years since we had a guy like that, but it will happen again.

First off, of course two people can watch the same game/clip/film and draw two different conclusions. We're in the SP to learn about others opinions.It's unfair to label Patterson with Lelie/Ginn/Stallworth/DHB/Meachem. Those are some of the worst first round bust WRs in recent memory. Greg Little, Demaryius Thomas, Percy Harvin, Josh Gordon, Stephen Hill, Randall Cobb all either were raw coming out as a WR or they didn't have consistently solid statistics at the WR position.

Demaryius was a pretty complete prospect coming out, only thing people were really worried about was his route running because he was in GTs system.Harvin was a pretty complete prospect also, I don't remember raw being a quality that scouts defined harvin as coming out. His stats were pretty good too considering all the things he did (catching, running, returning)Cobb had 1000 receiving yards his senior year and over 1000 total yards his JR year at Kentucky. didn't have more his freshman year because he was playing QBif you want to put Little Gordon and Hill in with the rest EBF mentioned I think that works, IDK about those 3 though

 

[32 Counter Pass]

Feels like the Patterson supporters are blindly ignoring his glaring on field product issues. That's a mistake.

What means this?

 

[ghostguy123]

Here are 8 minutes of highlights of Patterson

He does look pretty good. Funny though, it almost looks like he randomly spins around and makes cuts, and sometimes even falls down. I don't think one defender will be able to bring him down very easily. I can see him throwing down a couple dozen embarrasing looking TDs on some defensive backs in his NFL career.

 

[tdmills]

One thing you realize after having debates about various players over the years is that two people can look at the exact same prospect and draw radically different conclusions. When some people watch Darren McFadden, they see a top 10 NFL back with insane talent. When I watch Darren McFadden, I see a flawed runner with a lot of deficiencies. Does this mean that I haven't seen McFadden play? No, of course not. I just means that I value different traits and have a different interpretation of his abilities.

Bringing it back to Patterson, the reason why I'm leery of him is because I'm not really seeing all the things everyone says are there. He'll still rank pretty highly on my final board if he ends up being a high pick because I put a lot of stock in what the professional evaluators think about players and because there aren't a lot of great options in this draft, but I'll stand by my statement that he's a bigger bust risk than his hype would indicate. He's a bigger risk than the typical first round WR prospect. If I were an NFL GM, I wouldn't have a first round grade on him. The reason I mentioned guys like Lelie, Ginn, Stallworth, DHB, and Meachem is not because they're perfect clones of Patterson in terms of playing style, but rather because they're good examples of players who were overrated in the build up to the draft despite having some serious flaws. It's been a few years since we had a guy like that, but it will happen again.

First off, of course two people can watch the same game/clip/film and draw two different conclusions. We're in the SP to learn about others opinions.It's unfair to label Patterson with Lelie/Ginn/Stallworth/DHB/Meachem. Those are some of the worst first round bust WRs in recent memory. Greg Little, Demaryius Thomas, Percy Harvin, Josh Gordon, Stephen Hill, Randall Cobb all either were raw coming out as a WR or they didn't have consistently solid statistics at the WR position.

Demaryius was a pretty complete prospect coming out, only thing people were really worried about was his route running because he was in GTs system.Harvin was a pretty complete prospect also, I don't remember raw being a quality that scouts defined harvin as coming out. His stats were pretty good too considering all the things he did (catching, running, returning)

Cobb had 1000 receiving yards his senior year and over 1000 total yards his JR year at Kentucky. didn't have more his freshman year because he was playing QB

if you want to put Little Gordon and Hill in with the rest EBF mentioned I think that works, IDK about those 3 though

Harvin link out of college EBF's post is #34 and throughout the thread you hear about "how he will be used" "position he will play" etc. That's not a complete WR.Demaryius Thomas Route running is probably the #1 skill for a WR and it makes a player not a complete prospect.

EBF's post draft report on Cobb

10. WR Randall Cobb, Packers - There are a few reasons why I like Randall Cobb. The first is that he's obviously a great football player. He's a borderline legend at Kentucky, where he consistently impacted the game in a variety of ways. The other main reason why I like him is the team that drafted him. Ted Thompson seems to have a gift for selecting good receivers. Greg Jennings was a home run. Jordy Nelson has gradually become a productive player. Jermichael Finley has been a steal. Even James Jones played well considering where he was drafted. The fact that a front office with a strong track record of evaluating WRs selected Cobb in the 2nd round increases his value in my eyes. And oh yea, the presence of Aaron Rodgers doesn't hurt either. Rodgers is the type of elite QB who can single-handedly elevate the FF value of the receivers on his team. Whereas being the 3rd WR on a team like Carolina or Chicago would be FF poison, being the third WR for Rodgers could conceivably make someone a top 20 FF WR. That eases some of my concerns about Cobb, who feels a little bit like Antwaan Randle El 2.0. There's no doubt that Cobb is a tremendous football player, but he lacks overwhelming physical talent and was used mostly in a gimmicky/gadget capacity at Kentucky. I'm not entirely sure that he'll ever claw his way out of the slot in Green Bay, but it's a definite possibility. With Donald Driver due to decline and James Jones headed elsewhere, Cobb will have an immediate opportunity to assert himself.

This doesn't scream a complete WR prospect to me.

 

[tdmills]

It's unfair to label Patterson with Lelie/Ginn/Stallworth/DHB/Meachem.

It would be unfair to assume that he'll be a bust like those guys, but it's not unfair to consider the possibility. Obviously we know with the benefit of hindsight that players like Meachem, Stallworth, and Lelie didn't work out. But you don't have the benefit of hindsight when you're drafting rookies. There were plenty of people who were excited about those guys when they were entering the draft. Maybe 4-5 years from now we'll look back on Patterson the same way we view a guy like Stallworth or Meachem. Dynamic in certain ways, but not a great receiver. I think it's a possibility. Not a certainty.

I agree, which is why I call him a gamble.

 

[tdmills]

Feels like the Patterson supporters are blindly ignoring his glaring on field product issues. That's a mistake.

I'll address this, considering i'm supporting Patterson often in here.My scouting report on Patterson shows a lot of issues

Analysis:

I initially didn’t like Patterson, but I couldn’t ignore his potential. What makes Patterson special? He’s the most elusive 6’3 or taller player I’ve ever seen. It’s hard to believe how many defenders he made miss in the SEC this past season at his size. Patterson is athletic: 39 inch vertical and 10.33 100 meter dash. Very explosive and gets to top speed quickly. Not a true burner, probably a 4.45 type player, but it’s deceptive. High points the football very well and is a threat to score on every play. Playmaker is an understatement. He’s also a strong player that can overmatch DBs. Doesn’t explode out of his breaks very well and body catches way too much. The only time he extends his hands out to catch the football is when it’s outside of his framework. Needs to work on selling his routes more, at times he tips off his breaks which doesn’t help with separation. Patterson is raw and has many things to work on.

I'm not sure the detractors are acknowledging his playmaking ability and potential, which is what i'm pointing out.

 

[MAC_32]

Feels like the Patterson supporters are blindly ignoring his glaring on field product issues. That's a mistake.

What means this?

Lots of red flags, mainly surrounding his lack of focus in game... Horrendous drops, bad penalties, lack of effort. This is why first round picks bust. Foolish to ignore the upside, equally foolish to ignore the downside too.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Seems like people are mixing reviews of Hunter and Patterson. I thought Hunter was the unfocused one but Patterson was simply more raw.

 

[MAC_32]

Seems like people are mixing reviews of Hunter and Patterson. I thought Hunter was the unfocused one but Patterson was simply more raw.

Hunter was guilty of it too, they all showed signs of being poorly coached. Can't put all of that blame on Dooley... Right now anyway. Given their expected cost i prefer hunter because he is cheaper and I saw him dominate before shredding his knee, whereas Patterson hasn't... He is more of a projection.

 

[tdmills]

Seems like people are mixing reviews of Hunter and Patterson. I thought Hunter was the unfocused one but Patterson was simply more raw.

Hunter was guilty of it too, they all showed signs of being poorly coached. Can't put all of that blame on Dooley... Right now anyway. Given their expected cost i prefer hunter because he is cheaper and I saw him dominate before shredding his knee, whereas Patterson hasn't... He is more of a projection.

I can see your point in a cost ratio. Hunter and Patterson both have a chance to be WR1's in the NFL. However, Hunter hasn't shown that dominate game since his freshman season(prior to the knee injury).

 

[MAC_32]

Seems like people are mixing reviews of Hunter and Patterson. I thought Hunter was the unfocused one but Patterson was simply more raw.

Hunter was guilty of it too, they all showed signs of being poorly coached. Can't put all of that blame on Dooley... Right now anyway. Given their expected cost i prefer hunter because he is cheaper and I saw him dominate before shredding his knee, whereas Patterson hasn't... He is more of a projection.

I can see your point in a cost ratio. Hunter and Patterson both have a chance to be WR1's in the NFL. However, Hunter hasn't shown that dominate game since his freshman season(prior to the knee injury).

No disputing that argument either, I just think taking advantage of the recency effect leads to better buys. It's why I like woods too. There is goodreason they were the hot names in august. Buying low while others are looking elsewhere.

 

[tdmills]

Seems like people are mixing reviews of Hunter and Patterson. I thought Hunter was the unfocused one but Patterson was simply more raw.

Hunter was guilty of it too, they all showed signs of being poorly coached. Can't put all of that blame on Dooley... Right now anyway. Given their expected cost i prefer hunter because he is cheaper and I saw him dominate before shredding his knee, whereas Patterson hasn't... He is more of a projection.

I can see your point in a cost ratio. Hunter and Patterson both have a chance to be WR1's in the NFL. However, Hunter hasn't shown that dominate game since his freshman season(prior to the knee injury).

No disputing that argument either, I just think taking advantage of the recency effect leads to better buys. It's why I like woods too. There is goodreason they were the hot names in august. Buying low while others are looking elsewhere.

I use this theory often. Another guy i'd throw in that mix is Matt Barkley. He isn't as good as people once thought, but he's also not as bad as people are saying now. I think he has at least the same ability as Andy Dalton, but will he have an AJ Green to throw to?

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Like the Barkley call there TDM. We saw what he can do in a great situation in 2011 and then saw what he looked like in a below average situation in 2012. The truth is probably somewhere in-between and IMO he's still easily the best QB in the class. Or at least the least risky bet. Bray might fill out and grow up into a top tier guy and Manuel might be a pretty good read-option guy. But I think they're both pretty risky.

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

One thing you realize after having debates about various players over the years is that two people can look at the exact same prospect and draw radically different conclusions. When some people watch Darren McFadden, they see a top 10 NFL back with insane talent. When I watch Darren McFadden, I see a flawed runner with a lot of deficiencies. Does this mean that I haven't seen McFadden play? No, of course not. I just means that I value different traits and have a different interpretation of his abilities.

Bringing it back to Patterson, the reason why I'm leery of him is because I'm not really seeing all the things everyone says are there. He'll still rank pretty highly on my final board if he ends up being a high pick because I put a lot of stock in what the professional evaluators think about players and because there aren't a lot of great options in this draft, but I'll stand by my statement that he's a bigger bust risk than his hype would indicate. He's a bigger risk than the typical first round WR prospect. If I were an NFL GM, I wouldn't have a first round grade on him. The reason I mentioned guys like Lelie, Ginn, Stallworth, DHB, and Meachem is not because they're perfect clones of Patterson in terms of playing style, but rather because they're good examples of players who were overrated in the build up to the draft despite having some serious flaws. It's been a few years since we had a guy like that, but it will happen again.

First off, of course two people can watch the same game/clip/film and draw two different conclusions. We're in the SP to learn about others opinions.It's unfair to label Patterson with Lelie/Ginn/Stallworth/DHB/Meachem. Those are some of the worst first round bust WRs in recent memory. Greg Little, Demaryius Thomas, Percy Harvin, Josh Gordon, Stephen Hill, Randall Cobb all either were raw coming out as a WR or they didn't have consistently solid statistics at the WR position.

Demaryius was a pretty complete prospect coming out, only thing people were really worried about was his route running because he was in GTs system.Harvin was a pretty complete prospect also, I don't remember raw being a quality that scouts defined harvin as coming out. His stats were pretty good too considering all the things he did (catching, running, returning)

Cobb had 1000 receiving yards his senior year and over 1000 total yards his JR year at Kentucky. didn't have more his freshman year because he was playing QB

if you want to put Little Gordon and Hill in with the rest EBF mentioned I think that works, IDK about those 3 though

Harvin link out of college EBF's post is #34 and throughout the thread you hear about "how he will be used" "position he will play" etc. That's not a complete WR.Demaryius Thomas Route running is probably the #1 skill for a WR and it makes a player not a complete prospect.

EBF's post draft report on Cobb

10. WR Randall Cobb, Packers - There are a few reasons why I like Randall Cobb. The first is that he's obviously a great football player. He's a borderline legend at Kentucky, where he consistently impacted the game in a variety of ways. The other main reason why I like him is the team that drafted him. Ted Thompson seems to have a gift for selecting good receivers. Greg Jennings was a home run. Jordy Nelson has gradually become a productive player. Jermichael Finley has been a steal. Even James Jones played well considering where he was drafted. The fact that a front office with a strong track record of evaluating WRs selected Cobb in the 2nd round increases his value in my eyes. And oh yea, the presence of Aaron Rodgers doesn't hurt either. Rodgers is the type of elite QB who can single-handedly elevate the FF value of the receivers on his team. Whereas being the 3rd WR on a team like Carolina or Chicago would be FF poison, being the third WR for Rodgers could conceivably make someone a top 20 FF WR. That eases some of my concerns about Cobb, who feels a little bit like Antwaan Randle El 2.0. There's no doubt that Cobb is a tremendous football player, but he lacks overwhelming physical talent and was used mostly in a gimmicky/gadget capacity at Kentucky. I'm not entirely sure that he'll ever claw his way out of the slot in Green Bay, but it's a definite possibility. With Donald Driver due to decline and James Jones headed elsewhere, Cobb will have an immediate opportunity to assert himself.

This doesn't scream a complete WR prospect to me.

well, no offense to EBF, but in this case his opinion alone is kinda irrelevant to me. I remember all those drafts, Harvin and Demaryius were better prospects than Patterson and I don't think it's fair to associate them.

your trying extremely hard to prove a subjective opinion wrong lol.

I suppose Cobb does fit , but I thought your point was on college production, not scouting reports.

if your main goal here is learning then you shouldn't be nitpicking others points and focusing on the small things. If you believe something you should be confident enough in yourself to allow someone to have an opposing opinion. people aren't just going to agree with you, even if you are correct, sometimes. For better or worse, right or wrong, that is the human phyche.

You keep pointing to ' were in the shark pool to learn' and things like that... I'm here to have a good time first, learning is also great ... nitpicking people's POV into irrelevance should be farther down on the list

 

[tdmills]

One thing you realize after having debates about various players over the years is that two people can look at the exact same prospect and draw radically different conclusions. When some people watch Darren McFadden, they see a top 10 NFL back with insane talent. When I watch Darren McFadden, I see a flawed runner with a lot of deficiencies. Does this mean that I haven't seen McFadden play? No, of course not. I just means that I value different traits and have a different interpretation of his abilities.

Bringing it back to Patterson, the reason why I'm leery of him is because I'm not really seeing all the things everyone says are there. He'll still rank pretty highly on my final board if he ends up being a high pick because I put a lot of stock in what the professional evaluators think about players and because there aren't a lot of great options in this draft, but I'll stand by my statement that he's a bigger bust risk than his hype would indicate. He's a bigger risk than the typical first round WR prospect. If I were an NFL GM, I wouldn't have a first round grade on him. The reason I mentioned guys like Lelie, Ginn, Stallworth, DHB, and Meachem is not because they're perfect clones of Patterson in terms of playing style, but rather because they're good examples of players who were overrated in the build up to the draft despite having some serious flaws. It's been a few years since we had a guy like that, but it will happen again.

First off, of course two people can watch the same game/clip/film and draw two different conclusions. We're in the SP to learn about others opinions.It's unfair to label Patterson with Lelie/Ginn/Stallworth/DHB/Meachem. Those are some of the worst first round bust WRs in recent memory. Greg Little, Demaryius Thomas, Percy Harvin, Josh Gordon, Stephen Hill, Randall Cobb all either were raw coming out as a WR or they didn't have consistently solid statistics at the WR position.

Demaryius was a pretty complete prospect coming out, only thing people were really worried about was his route running because he was in GTs system.Harvin was a pretty complete prospect also, I don't remember raw being a quality that scouts defined harvin as coming out. His stats were pretty good too considering all the things he did (catching, running, returning)

Cobb had 1000 receiving yards his senior year and over 1000 total yards his JR year at Kentucky. didn't have more his freshman year because he was playing QB

if you want to put Little Gordon and Hill in with the rest EBF mentioned I think that works, IDK about those 3 though

Harvin link out of college EBF's post is #34 and throughout the thread you hear about "how he will be used" "position he will play" etc. That's not a complete WR.Demaryius Thomas Route running is probably the #1 skill for a WR and it makes a player not a complete prospect.

EBF's post draft report on Cobb

10. WR Randall Cobb, Packers - There are a few reasons why I like Randall Cobb. The first is that he's obviously a great football player. He's a borderline legend at Kentucky, where he consistently impacted the game in a variety of ways. The other main reason why I like him is the team that drafted him. Ted Thompson seems to have a gift for selecting good receivers. Greg Jennings was a home run. Jordy Nelson has gradually become a productive player. Jermichael Finley has been a steal. Even James Jones played well considering where he was drafted. The fact that a front office with a strong track record of evaluating WRs selected Cobb in the 2nd round increases his value in my eyes. And oh yea, the presence of Aaron Rodgers doesn't hurt either. Rodgers is the type of elite QB who can single-handedly elevate the FF value of the receivers on his team. Whereas being the 3rd WR on a team like Carolina or Chicago would be FF poison, being the third WR for Rodgers could conceivably make someone a top 20 FF WR. That eases some of my concerns about Cobb, who feels a little bit like Antwaan Randle El 2.0. There's no doubt that Cobb is a tremendous football player, but he lacks overwhelming physical talent and was used mostly in a gimmicky/gadget capacity at Kentucky. I'm not entirely sure that he'll ever claw his way out of the slot in Green Bay, but it's a definite possibility. With Donald Driver due to decline and James Jones headed elsewhere, Cobb will have an immediate opportunity to assert himself.

This doesn't scream a complete WR prospect to me.

well, no offense to EBF, but in this case his opinion alone is kinda irrelevant to me. I remember all those drafts, Harvin and Demaryius were better prospects than Patterson and I don't think it's fair to associate them.

your trying extremely hard to prove a subjective opinion wrong lol.

I suppose Cobb does fit , but I thought your point was on college production, not scouting reports.

if your main goal here is learning then you shouldn't be nitpicking others points and focusing on the small things. If you believe something you should be confident enough in yourself to allow someone to have an opposing opinion. people aren't just going to agree with you, even if you are correct, sometimes. For better or worse, right or wrong, that is the human phyche.

You keep pointing to ' were in the shark pool to learn' and things like that... I'm here to have a good time first, learning is also great ... nitpicking people's POV into irrelevance should be farther down on the list

Agree to disagreeMy point was a bunch of WR's(I already listed them) were either raw as a complete WR or didn't have consistently good WR stats to back them up, just like Patterson.

You indicated that DT/Harvin/Cobb were complete WR prospects. So I injected what the SP said(not me) about them not being complete WR prospects into this conversation.

Do I think Patterson will be good WR in the NFL? It's probably 50/50. But i'd rather take a chance on a guy that could be a WR1 than get some WR2 type ceilings all the time: Leonard Hankerson, Quinton Patton, Mike Williams, Antonio Brown, AJ Jenkins, etc

 

[EBF]

Agree to disagreeMy point was a bunch of WR's(I already listed them) were either raw as a complete WR or didn't have consistently good WR stats to back them up, just like Patterson.You indicated that DT/Harvin/Cobb were complete WR prospects. So I injected what the SP said(not me) about them not being complete WR prospects into this conversation. Do I think Patterson will be good WR in the NFL? It's probably 50/50. But i'd rather take a chance on a guy that could be a WR1 than get some WR2 type ceilings all the time: Leonard Hankerson, Quinton Patton, Mike Williams, Antonio Brown, AJ Jenkins, etc

Raw has nothing to do with it. I liked Thomas and Harvin. Rated them higher than most.Patterson isn't as impressive an athlete as those two. And that's the main issue for me. He doesn't stand out as much to me. Simple as that.

 

[tdmills]

Agree to disagreeMy point was a bunch of WR's(I already listed them) were either raw as a complete WR or didn't have consistently good WR stats to back them up, just like Patterson.You indicated that DT/Harvin/Cobb were complete WR prospects. So I injected what the SP said(not me) about them not being complete WR prospects into this conversation. Do I think Patterson will be good WR in the NFL? It's probably 50/50. But i'd rather take a chance on a guy that could be a WR1 than get some WR2 type ceilings all the time: Leonard Hankerson, Quinton Patton, Mike Williams, Antonio Brown, AJ Jenkins, etc

Raw has nothing to do with it. I liked Thomas and Harvin. Rated them higher than most.Patterson isn't as impressive an athlete as those two. And that's the main issue for me. He doesn't stand out as much to me. Simple as that.

I agree with Thomas/Harvin are better overall athletes than Patterson. His combine should be interesting if he tests as well as i've read: 39 inch vertical, 10.33 100 meter, etc at 6'3. He might measure in shorter than 6'3.

 

[TheFanatic]

Any chance we can discuss someone besides Patterson? Or even another position?

 

[tdmills]

Any chance we can discuss someone besides Patterson? Or even another position?

5 posts ago Matt Barkley was brought up, it's usually easier if you provide content.

 

[TheFanatic]

Any chance we can discuss someone besides Patterson? Or even another position?

5 posts ago Matt Barkley was brought up, it's usually easier if you provide content.

I saw the post about Barkley that was immediately swallowed up by more Patterson comp debate. And no, I don't need to provide content. I don't watch near enough college football to provide quality content. I come here to read content, but instead I get in a three page pissing match about what everyone thinks about Patterson. How about taking the agree to disagree comment a few posts up and move on to another player. This discussion is beyond stale and clouds the water in here. Let's talk about Barkley. Can he get back into the first round with stellar measurables at the combine and a great pro-day?

 

[Concept Coop]

Let's talk about Barkley. Can he get back into the first round with stellar measurables at the combine and a great pro-day?

I think so. QBs are over drafted and it only takes one team to like him and pull a JP Losman-like deal.

 

[tdmills]

Any chance we can discuss someone besides Patterson? Or even another position?

5 posts ago Matt Barkley was brought up, it's usually easier if you provide content.

I saw the post about Barkley that was immediately swallowed up by more Patterson comp debate. And no, I don't need to provide content. I don't watch near enough college football to provide quality content. I come here to read content, but instead I get in a three page pissing match about what everyone thinks about Patterson. How about taking the agree to disagree comment a few posts up and move on to another player. This discussion is beyond stale and clouds the water in here. Let's talk about Barkley. Can he get back into the first round with stellar measurables at the combine and a great pro-day?

You don't know much about college players, yet you hate a less than 2 page discussion about a prospect

 

[DexterDew]

some of the chatter i'm seeing on Twitter is comparing Barkley to Dalton, which I can see.Being in CA, I've seen most of his last two seasons and he has always struck me as benefiting for the talent advantage that USC had (past tense since UCLA punked them this recruiting class). This year was pretty brutal since he lost his LT and was pressured all year. Having said that, Barkley could stick as a starter in the NFL. He will likely impress on the pre-draft interview circuit and then will have to find a place where he could be a backup for a year or two (thinking BUF, JAX, ARI, HOU). He'll get taken in the first, but might be a trade up by a lesser team that doesn't want to burn a Top 10.

 

[wiscstlatlmia]

Any chance we can discuss someone besides Patterson? Or even another position?

5 posts ago Matt Barkley was brought up, it's usually easier if you provide content.

I saw the post about Barkley that was immediately swallowed up by more Patterson comp debate. And no, I don't need to provide content. I don't watch near enough college football to provide quality content. I come here to read content, but instead I get in a three page pissing match about what everyone thinks about Patterson. How about taking the agree to disagree comment a few posts up and move on to another player. This discussion is beyond stale and clouds the water in here. Let's talk about Barkley. Can he get back into the first round with stellar measurables at the combine and a great pro-day?

agreed

 

[Time Kibitzer]

Like the Barkley call there TDM. We saw what he can do in a great situation in 2011 and then saw what he looked like in a below average situation in 2012. The truth is probably somewhere in-between and IMO he's still easily the best QB in the class. Or at least the least risky bet. Bray might fill out and grow up into a top tier guy and Manuel might be a pretty good read-option guy. But I think they're both pretty risky.

Curious as I'm not all that familiar with the USC program, but how was Barkley's situation in 2012 below average? Same coaching staff, same, if not better, RBs, and the same NFL caliber WRs, and Marquise Lee really stepped into his own this past season. I'm guessing his Oline was worse since Matt Kalil was drafted and Barkley got sacked more, but all things considered, I don't see how his situation was below average relative to just about anyone in all of NCAA football.

 

[tdmills]

Like the Barkley call there TDM. We saw what he can do in a great situation in 2011 and then saw what he looked like in a below average situation in 2012. The truth is probably somewhere in-between and IMO he's still easily the best QB in the class. Or at least the least risky bet. Bray might fill out and grow up into a top tier guy and Manuel might be a pretty good read-option guy. But I think they're both pretty risky.

Curious as I'm not all that familiar with the USC program, but how was Barkley's situation in 2012 below average? Same coaching staff, same, if not better, RBs, and the same NFL caliber WRs, and Marquise Lee really stepped into his own this past season. I'm guessing his Oline was worse since Matt Kalil was drafted and Barkley got sacked more, but all things considered, I don't see how his situation was below average relative to just about anyone in all of NCAA football.

His WR's were awesome still, but his OL was much worse.

 

[MAC_32]

Barkley was exposed as a bad decision maker under duress this year. It seems his price is correcting from a month ago after being over rated last year to under rated in December. I like him as a day two target to develop behind a vet. I don't like him on day one at all.

 

[tdmills]

Barkley was exposed as a bad decision maker under duress this year. It seems his price is correcting from a month ago after being over rated last year to under rated in December. I like him as a day two target to develop behind a vet. I don't like him on day one at all.

Agreed, I can see someone like KC or Arizona addressing a need in round one and taking Barkley in round two.

 

[TheFanatic]

Any chance we can discuss someone besides Patterson? Or even another position?

5 posts ago Matt Barkley was brought up, it's usually easier if you provide content.

I saw the post about Barkley that was immediately swallowed up by more Patterson comp debate. And no, I don't need to provide content. I don't watch near enough college football to provide quality content. I come here to read content, but instead I get in a three page pissing match about what everyone thinks about Patterson. How about taking the agree to disagree comment a few posts up and move on to another player. This discussion is beyond stale and clouds the water in here. Let's talk about Barkley. Can he get back into the first round with stellar measurables at the combine and a great pro-day?

You don't know much about college players, yet you hate a less than 2 page discussion about a prospect

That was not a good discourse. It was initially, but then it degenerated into, "Dude, you need to see more game film," and, "Let's agree to disagree." Nothing new after the first few posts. The new information is more bickering than it is anything useful for the rest of us...

 

[EBF]

The backlash seems excessive to me. He had his best YPA of his career in 2012 and his TD:INT ratio was very respectable (2.4:1). I think he has a chance to be pretty good. He's experienced, he comes out of a pro style offense, he's accurate, he has good character. From what I've seen, he's a tough player who doesn't wilt under pressure. Maybe he ends up like Brady Quinn or Mark Sanchez, but there's enough there to justify some optimism. Playing with Lee, Woods, Agholor, and Grimble definitely helped his numbers. On the other hand, I think Kiffin is a bad coach. He doesn't get the most out of his talent and doesn't put them in the best position to be successful.

 

[TheFanatic]

Barkley was exposed as a bad decision maker under duress this year. It seems his price is correcting from a month ago after being over rated last year to under rated in December. I like him as a day two target to develop behind a vet. I don't like him on day one at all.

Agreed, I can see someone like KC or Arizona addressing a need in round one and taking Barkley in round two.

That might be ideal. KC picks up a LT and then grabs the QB. That way he's protected and there is no immediate crush to get him on the field. Let him hold the clipboard behind Cassel and then start in year two, in the mean time working heavily on the decision making.

 

[tdmills]

The backlash seems excessive to me. He had his best YPA of his career in 2012 and his TD:INT ratio was very respectable (2.4:1). I think he has a chance to be pretty good. He's experienced, he comes out of a pro style offense, he's accurate, he has good character. From what I've seen, he's a tough player who doesn't wilt under pressure. Maybe he ends up like Brady Quinn or Mark Sanchez, but there's enough there to justify some optimism. Playing with Lee, Woods, Agholor, and Grimble definitely helped his numbers. On the other hand, I think Kiffin is a bad coach. He doesn't get the most out of his talent and doesn't put them in the best position to be successful.

I actually think he has a shot to end up being the 1st QB taken once everyone has a chance to thoroughly look him over. Now FF wise, I don't think anyone has a higher floor than Geno Smith. But when you look at both Barkley and Smith, they throw a majority of their passes within the first 5 yards of the LOS.

 

[TheFanatic]

The backlash seems excessive to me. He had his best YPA of his career in 2012 and his TD:INT ratio was very respectable (2.4:1). I think he has a chance to be pretty good. He's experienced, he comes out of a pro style offense, he's accurate, he has good character. From what I've seen, he's a tough player who doesn't wilt under pressure. Maybe he ends up like Brady Quinn or Mark Sanchez, but there's enough there to justify some optimism. Playing with Lee, Woods, Agholor, and Grimble definitely helped his numbers. On the other hand, I think Kiffin is a bad coach. He doesn't get the most out of his talent and doesn't put them in the best position to be successful.

Gabbert, Ponder, Locker, Sanchez all went in the first round. I think this guys goes in the first.

 

[tdmills]

Barkley was exposed as a bad decision maker under duress this year. It seems his price is correcting from a month ago after being over rated last year to under rated in December. I like him as a day two target to develop behind a vet. I don't like him on day one at all.

Agreed, I can see someone like KC or Arizona addressing a need in round one and taking Barkley in round two.

That might be ideal. KC picks up a LT and then grabs the QB. That way he's protected and there is no immediate crush to get him on the field. Let him hold the clipboard behind Cassel and then start in year two, in the mean time working heavily on the decision making.

Best case scenario for KC IMO:-resign Brandon Albert(he's a solid LT) and Bowe-trade down(no player is worth the 1 overall)-use one of those picks for a QB and the rest address some needs on the teamI think KC isn't that far away from being a solid team. OL is good/RB is good/WR could be if Baldwin develops/defense has some good talent as well.

 

[MAC_32]

Barkley was exposed as a bad decision maker under duress this year. It seems his price is correcting from a month ago after being over rated last year to under rated in December. I like him as a day two target to develop behind a vet. I don't like him on day one at all.

Agreed, I can see someone like KC or Arizona addressing a need in round one and taking Barkley in round two.

In a vertical system that arians wants to run i doubt Barkley is a fit, especially behind that line. KC is a lot more interesting. Bills too.

 

[MAC_32]

The backlash seems excessive to me. He had his best YPA of his career in 2012 and his TD:INT ratio was very respectable (2.4:1). I think he has a chance to be pretty good. He's experienced, he comes out of a pro style offense, he's accurate, he has good character. From what I've seen, he's a tough player who doesn't wilt under pressure. Maybe he ends up like Brady Quinn or Mark Sanchez, but there's enough there to justify some optimism. Playing with Lee, Woods, Agholor, and Grimble definitely helped his numbers. On the other hand, I think Kiffin is a bad coach. He doesn't get the most out of his talent and doesn't put them in the best position to be successful.

I actually think he has a shot to end up being the 1st QB taken once everyone has a chance to thoroughly look him over. Now FF wise, I don't think anyone has a higher floor than Geno Smith. But when you look at both Barkley and Smith, they throw a majority of their passes within the first 5 yards of the LOS.

Geno goes down field. A lot. It's what separates him and Barkley imho.

 

[MAC_32]

The backlash seems excessive to me. He had his best YPA of his career in 2012 and his TD:INT ratio was very respectable (2.4:1). I think he has a chance to be pretty good. He's experienced, he comes out of a pro style offense, he's accurate, he has good character. From what I've seen, he's a tough player who doesn't wilt under pressure. Maybe he ends up like Brady Quinn or Mark Sanchez, but there's enough there to justify some optimism. Playing with Lee, Woods, Agholor, and Grimble definitely helped his numbers. On the other hand, I think Kiffin is a bad coach. He doesn't get the most out of his talent and doesn't put them in the best position to be successful.

Gabbert, Ponder, Locker, Sanchez all went in the first round. I think this guys goes in the first.

Justifying making a mistake by citing previous mistakes is a good way to get fired.

 

[tdmills]

The backlash seems excessive to me. He had his best YPA of his career in 2012 and his TD:INT ratio was very respectable (2.4:1). I think he has a chance to be pretty good. He's experienced, he comes out of a pro style offense, he's accurate, he has good character. From what I've seen, he's a tough player who doesn't wilt under pressure. Maybe he ends up like Brady Quinn or Mark Sanchez, but there's enough there to justify some optimism. Playing with Lee, Woods, Agholor, and Grimble definitely helped his numbers. On the other hand, I think Kiffin is a bad coach. He doesn't get the most out of his talent and doesn't put them in the best position to be successful.

I actually think he has a shot to end up being the 1st QB taken once everyone has a chance to thoroughly look him over. Now FF wise, I don't think anyone has a higher floor than Geno Smith. But when you look at both Barkley and Smith, they throw a majority of their passes within the first 5 yards of the LOS.

Geno goes down field. A lot. It's what separates him and Barkley imho.

http://secondroundstats.com/2013/02/01/smith-barkley-glennon-and-wilson-a-metrics-breakdown/

 

[MAC_32]

Surprising... Especially given their strengths. May explain shuffles this year though. Geno has the best deep ball accuracy in the draft. Barkley does a good job on intermediate routes that don't require top arm strength, like the deep out and stick route between two defenders.

 

[jurb26]

The backlash seems excessive to me. He had his best YPA of his career in 2012 and his TD:INT ratio was very respectable (2.4:1). I think he has a chance to be pretty good. He's experienced, he comes out of a pro style offense, he's accurate, he has good character. From what I've seen, he's a tough player who doesn't wilt under pressure. Maybe he ends up like Brady Quinn or Mark Sanchez, but there's enough there to justify some optimism. Playing with Lee, Woods, Agholor, and Grimble definitely helped his numbers. On the other hand, I think Kiffin is a bad coach. He doesn't get the most out of his talent and doesn't put them in the best position to be successful.

I actually think he has a shot to end up being the 1st QB taken once everyone has a chance to thoroughly look him over. Now FF wise, I don't think anyone has a higher floor than Geno Smith. But when you look at both Barkley and Smith, they throw a majority of their passes within the first 5 yards of the LOS.

Geno goes down field. A lot. It's what separates him and Barkley imho.

Geno has better arm strength, but he is far from strong in his deep ball accuracy. I happen to think its one of his weaknesses. You are right though, he threw the ball down field plenty.I said in one of these prospects threads a few weeks ago that I think the off season underware Olympics will be kind to Barkley. He now way fall to round 2 IMO and will likely be the #2 QB to go.

 

[jurb26]

Agree to disagreeMy point was a bunch of WR's(I already listed them) were either raw as a complete WR or didn't have consistently good WR stats to back them up, just like Patterson.You indicated that DT/Harvin/Cobb were complete WR prospects. So I injected what the SP said(not me) about them not being complete WR prospects into this conversation. Do I think Patterson will be good WR in the NFL? It's probably 50/50. But i'd rather take a chance on a guy that could be a WR1 than get some WR2 type ceilings all the time: Leonard Hankerson, Quinton Patton, Mike Williams, Antonio Brown, AJ Jenkins, etc

Raw has nothing to do with it. I liked Thomas and Harvin. Rated them higher than most.Patterson isn't as impressive an athlete as those two. And that's the main issue for me. He doesn't stand out as much to me. Simple as that.

I agree with Thomas/Harvin are better overall athletes than Patterson. His combine should be interesting if he tests as well as i've read: 39 inch vertical, 10.33 100 meter, etc at 6'3. He might measure in shorter than 6'3.

Patterson looks like a better athlete than DT but worse athlete than Harvin to me. I agree with what you said earlier, I've never seen a guy his hight so difficult to tackle or even get contact with in the open field. The bottom line is all prospects are a crap shoot. Patterson carries undeniable risk. Perhaps more than most. The difference is that I'm confident that if Patterson does make it, he is capable of being a WR1. I can't say that about many prospects.