Dynasty Trade Evaluators (1 Viewer)

[Shawnky]

What are some good ones?  

I keep running into owners who are adamant on using them.   I just got back into dynasty play after a 10 year hiatus and have never used them.  I'm getting some terrible trade offers then countering with something adequate that can be tweaked then having the owner  saying I win by a wide margin based on his analyzer.  I do a google search and find one that says it's way off.  I come up with a counter that the calculator calls fair, and he declines and says I'm getting the better of the deal.  I've always been a savvy trader in dynasty.  I don't really need one of these to come up with a good trade offer.  I want it more as a reference.

If necessary, I'll post our offers just to see what some think of where I stand.  I've already made numerous trades in the past couple of weeks.  This particular owner keeps getting bent out of shape for calling his offers garbage.

 

[phandango]

What are some good ones?  

I keep running into owners who are adamant on using them.   I just got back into dynasty play after a 10 year hiatus and have never used them.  I'm getting some terrible trade offers that an owner is saying I win based on his analyzer.  I do a google search and find one that says it's way off.  I come up with a counter that the calculator calls fair, and he declines and says I'm getting the better of the deal.  I've always been a savvy trader in dynasty.  I don't really need one of these to come up with a good trade offer.  I want it more as a reference.

If necessary, I'll post our offers just to see what some think of where I stand.  I've already made numerous trades in the past couple of weeks.  This particular owner keeps getting bent out of shape for calling his offers garbage.

I subscribe to a few of the calculators, mainly as a way to check myself if I make an offer or if I get one -- basically like "this sounds fair to me, but let's see if the calculator agrees." I use them to see if I'm in the ballpark. I'm not sure if it's OK naming them here, but a popular one I see referenced is the top (and I think only) result you get if you search for "dynasty trade calculator" in the iPhone App Store. 

To me, this biggest reason for subscribing to trade calculators is if a leaguemate specifies one he/she swears by. If you know that someone in your league is going to blindly follow a calculator, that's a huge advantage when crafting offers. 

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

Yeah, it's a check, nothing more, nothing less.  Just because some guy can piece three of his players together to get to the value of your stud doesn't mean you shouldn't tell him to take a hike.

As far as free goes, I think dynastyprocess does a decent job.   I find their valuations on draft picks tend to be way off, even after maxing out sliders.  I certainly have disagreements on player valuations, but it's generally not egregious and I can at least make sense of what assumptions were made to get there.  Sometimes it's a reality check on guys I'm too heavily invested in, which is kind of the  point.

Otherwise, not a calculator, but I think fantasypros consensus rankings is generally pretty solid, once rookies settle in to appropriate spots (this definitely isn't the case in May).

 

[Gally]

These trade calculators seem to be coming up more and more but I have never found them to match my valuations.  I think it is very difficult for these generic trade calcs to really help for specific leagues because settings, format, roster size, etc are so varied that it makes them almost useless.

The only value I see in them is if you know another owner uses one of them extensively so you can at least see what might work with them.  Otherwise I think they are a waste of time.  

 

[wgoldsph]

Yeah, it's a check, nothing more, nothing less.

This

 

[jabarony]

I really dislike trade calculators for 2 similar reasons.

1. Receiving lame offers of X for Y with comments along the lines of "Calculator says this you win this deal big time".

2.  Getting feedback on my offers along the lines of "That's a terrible offer.  Calculator says it's 1480 to 1310 in your favor!".

The calculators seem to stop certain owners from thinking for themselves.

 

[Blick]

I really dislike trade calculators for 2 similar reasons.

1. Receiving lame offers of X for Y with comments along the lines of "Calculator says this you win this deal big time".

2.  Getting feedback on my offers along the lines of "That's a terrible offer.  Calculator says it's 1480 to 1310 in your favor!".

The calculators seem to stop certain owners from thinking for themselves.

I love dealing with Owner #2.  Since the value assigned to a particular player is normally similar across multiple calculators, I'm always looking to move the "overvalued" player in the calculator.  

 

[tangfoot]

Hindrey's and FantasyPros value charts are the primary tools I use in conjunction with Mizelle's ADP mock draft data.  If I see a player that is significantly out of line between those three lists, I'll adjust.

 

[Twenty-Four Eighty-Four]

I really dislike trade calculators for 2 similar reasons.

1. Receiving lame offers of X for Y with comments along the lines of "Calculator says this you win this deal big time".

2.  Getting feedback on my offers along the lines of "That's a terrible offer.  Calculator says it's 1480 to 1310 in your favor!".

The calculators seem to stop certain owners from thinking for themselves.

Came here to post this. I hate these calcs.

 

[Flying Elvis]

Free calculators all seem pretty bad. The only paid one I've used was DLF (thanks to a "free" sub via a daily FF site). Most owners across my leagues seem to use that but I find it is complete trash if you have IDPs since it doesn't value them at all. Ultimately, every calculator I've used has been underwhelming. I never used the FBG one when I had a sub that one time (sorry, Joe, I'm mostly a freeloader!)

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

I really dislike trade calculators for 2 similar reasons.

1. Receiving lame offers of X for Y with comments along the lines of "Calculator says this you win this deal big time".

2.  Getting feedback on my offers along the lines of "That's a terrible offer.  Calculator says it's 1480 to 1310 in your favor!".

The calculators seem to stop certain owners from thinking for themselves.

1. Can't really blame them for trying to support their rationale with a 3rd party valuation.   But yes, when they presented the original trade and then present this information as if it's some smoking gun that obligates you to click 'Accept', it's annoying.  An extremely lazy way of trying to sell an owner on a trade.

2.  If you are presenting an offer where you're gaining some edge based on a calculator, it does highlight the point that you definitely need to be able to explain why the trade makes sense for them, and you probably should be able to kind of believe what you're pitching if you're putting yourself in their shoes.  

Otherwise, if owners are going to make robotic trade decisions based on their calculator of choice and without any independent judgement based on the settings of the league and their team's composition, that is valuable information to know. 

 

[tangfoot]

Free calculators all seem pretty bad. The only paid one I've used was DLF (thanks to a "free" sub via a daily FF site). Most owners across my leagues seem to use that but I find it is complete trash if you have IDPs since it doesn't value them at all. Ultimately, every calculator I've used has been underwhelming. I never used the FBG one when I had a sub that one time (sorry, Joe, I'm mostly a freeloader!)

In my limited experience playing IDP, this is exactly what defensive players are worth in trades.

 

[jabarony]

1. Can't really blame them for trying to support their rationale with a 3rd party valuation.   But yes, when they presented the original trade and then present this information as if it's some smoking gun that obligates you to click 'Accept', it's annoying.  An extremely lazy way of trying to sell an owner on a trade.

2.  If you are presenting an offer where you're gaining some edge based on a calculator, it does highlight the point that you definitely need to be able to explain why the trade makes sense for them, and you probably should be able to kind of believe what you're pitching if you're putting yourself in their shoes.  

Otherwise, if owners are going to make robotic trade decisions based on their calculator of choice and without any independent judgement based on the settings of the league and their team's composition, that is valuable information to know. 

For 2, I never feel the need to explain why the trade makes sense for them, calculator or not.  If their QB just went down and I have spares, and want one of their extra WRs in return, I shouldn't have to sell it to them to explain away some perceived value difference from a random calc website.  The trade offer is player X for player Y, not calc value X for calc value Y + huckster sales pitch.

But I agree with the remainder of your post.  That would be valuable information (if I had insight to the same calc, of course).

 

[Gally]

In my limited experience playing IDP, this is exactly what defensive players are worth in trades.

Then your league is not set up in a way to value IDP's and it would be beneficial to change scoring so they become worthwhile.  

 

[tangfoot]

Then your league is not set up in a way to value IDP's and it would be beneficial to change scoring so they become worthwhile.  

Thanks for not understanding the league at all.  It was 11-man IDP, with generous scoring and specific position requirements.  But nobody would trade for defensive players as anything other than a throw-in for offensive players.  14 teams, and I played in this league for 4 years.

IDP made up approximately 40% of the top 100 scoring players in this setup.  The biggest "problem" with IDP is that there's no consistency from year to year except for maybe about 10 players.  After that you may as well just bid on free agents for whoever happens to be good that year.

 

[Gally]

Thanks for not understanding the league at all.  It was 11-man IDP, with generous scoring and specific position requirements.  But nobody would trade for defensive players as anything other than a throw-in for offensive players.  14 teams, and I played in this league for 4 years.

That's fine.  Just because you have a lot of IDP players and a lot of teams doesn't mean that the IDP scoring is relevant enough to make them valuable.  Obviously your league treated them like kickers with no value.  If the top 15 scorers in your league were IDP players they would be more than throw-ins for trades.   

 

[tangfoot]

If the top 15 scorers in your league were IDP players they would be more than throw-ins for trades.   

If the top 15 scorers in any league are IDP players, then the league is woefully broken.

 

[Gally]

If the top 15 scorers in any league are IDP players, then the league is woefully broken.

My league has 5 IDP (3 LB & 2 DL) in the top 20 to go along with 7 QB, 3 RB, 2 TE, and 3 WR.  IDP's are incredibly important to win in this league.  

 

[jm192]

I really like the Hindrey trade value chart here on FBG.  

I like to use it and a few calculators to see if I'm in the realm of reasonable for offers.  And if I like an offer, I'll run through it to see if perhaps I'm undervaluing something I'm giving away/overvaluing something I'm getting.  

They're not dogma.  And I've certainly never convinced anyone to do a deal by showing them how they were winning in the trade calculators.  

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

The trade offer is player X for player Y, not calc value X for calc value Y + huckster sales pitch.

Not clear from my post, but I'm talking more in terms of internally being able to rationalize it from their point of view.   I have seen too many trade offers that make you wonder if the guy actually gave any thought to whether the trade makes any sense on the other side.   Too often, it's along the lines of, I made this trade match up in a trade calculator.   I want to do it.   You should want to do it based on calculator.  Why are you being so stubborn?!

In the example where they lose a QB and I have a spare one to offer and they have an expendable WR I want, sometimes the trade can be that simple and that's good enough rationalization from their side to pull the trigger.   However, if I'm dealing with a shrewd owner, I'm probably more likely to plug it in to a trade calculator just to get a sense of valuations from a 3rd party.    If it says I'm winning the deal by a fair margin, and I agree with the valuations, then I'm probably considering whether other owners in my league have a backup QB that will be more attractive than the one that I'm offering.  If so, is that owner active enough to get in on the trade talks?   What are the streaming options if they decide not to trade for a QB?   How do those options compare to the QB I'm offering?   What are my alternate options at WR relative to the one I'm trying to get from them?   If the answer is that the trade makes a lot of sense for both parties, but I REALLY like what it does for me, and I would feel a lot of regret if someone else is able to swoop in with their similar offer to pry the coveted WR away, then I would probably consider leading with a stronger offer than just the QB for WR, or I would be ready to sweeten it if the original offer doesn't seem to be getting a lot of traction.           

 

[cdclopper]

I'm bumping this one instead of creating a new thread.

Coming here to plug a new calculator I just put out, fantasy-forecast. The model behind it is similar to how I understand the process @ZWK uses. You can read about the design here, tho you are forewarned it's pretty hard-core. It took a lot a time to figure it all out but it's finally pretty much done, available for you.

Of course I know you're probably thinking: "O jeez, here we go, another trade calculator. ". Let me say briefly, why this one's different:

• dynamic results
• evaluations are offered for specific league settings
• it's built from analytics using historical data

When I say dynamic results, I mean it's available for you to choose the most appropriate predictor for each player. This means you can use his draft_capital, or his stats from the last 1-4 years, or a combination of them. For example, look at Treylon Burks. In 11 games he got only 444 yards, 1TD his rookie year - not overwhelming. Yet, the Titans selected him with pick 18 in the draft. It's up to you to use his draft_capital if you want to give him a pass for his rookie season. I mean, he was hurt a bunch and Malik Willis started half the games. Or what about Michael Thomas, who's only played 10 games the past 3 seasons? Do you include his 2019 Offensive Player of the Year numbers? Tough question.

Some people have said this makes it a too complicated. So maybe it's not for everybody. So here's a more detailed explanation on how to use it if it's up your alley. Or there's a concise drop down on the appraisal page beside trade. Next to league settings provides an opportunity to use your own league parameters.

With all that said, it's important to recognize the limitations. If you chose to power thru the whole spiel, you know past fantasy_value (other than draft_capital), is the only metric the model considers. In other words, only past NFL stats go into it. On one hand, this is the best predictor of future outcomes. But, on the other, we all know there are times when stats can mislead. Players get injured, change teams, better competition comes in, new coaches, new quarterbacks, ect.

In other words, don't go trading James Robinson for the 1.06. But understand why this calculator says so.

With that, thanks for reading. I hope you choose to use the thing and it helps your efforts.

 

[eighsse2]

I'm bumping this one instead of creating a new thread.

Coming here to plug a new calculator I just put out, fantasy-forecast. The model behind it is similar to how I understand the process @ZWK uses. You can read about the design here, tho you are forewarned it's pretty hard-core. It took a lot a time to figure it all out but it's finally pretty much done, available for you.

Of course I know you're probably thinking: "O jeez, here we go, another trade calculator. ". Let me say briefly, why this one's different:

• dynamic results
• evaluations are offered for specific league settings
• it's built from analytics using historical data

When I say dynamic results, I mean it's available for you to choose the most appropriate predictor for each player. This means you can use his draft_capital, or his stats from the last 1-4 years, or a combination of them. For example, look at Treylon Burks. In 11 games he got only 444 yards, 1TD his rookie year - not overwhelming. Yet, the Titans selected him with pick 18 in the draft. It's up to you to use his draft_capital if you want to give him a pass for his rookie season. I mean, he was hurt a bunch and Malik Willis started half the games. Or what about Michael Thomas, who's only played 10 games the past 3 seasons? Do you include his 2019 Offensive Player of the Year numbers? Tough question.

Some people have said this makes it a too complicated. So maybe it's not for everybody. So here's a more detailed explanation on how to use it if it's up your alley. Or there's a concise drop down on the appraisal page beside trade. Next to league settings provides an opportunity to use your own league parameters.

With all that said, it's important to recognize the limitations. If you chose to power thru the whole spiel, you know past fantasy_value (other than draft_capital), is the only metric the model considers. In other words, only past NFL stats go into it. On one hand, this is the best predictor of future outcomes. But, on the other, we all know there are times when stats can mislead. Players get injured, change teams, better competition comes in, new coaches, new quarterbacks, ect.

In other words, don't go trading James Robinson for the 1.06. But understand why this calculator says so.

With that, thanks for reading. I hope you choose to use the thing and it helps your efforts.

Very cool. Thanks for posting. Don't really have the time to try to see why it's better than any other. But worth a look. Wish it had all of my league settings available (0 TE, 1/50 point per passing yard, -1 point per INT). But I don't know if that's as simple as adding those selections to the settings, or if that would require re-calibrations on everything.

 

[cdclopper]

Very cool. Thanks for posting. Don't really have the time to try to see why it's better than any other. But worth a look. Wish it had all of my league settings available (0 TE, 1/50 point per passing yard, -1 point per INT). But I don't know if that's as simple as adding those selections to the settings, or if that would require re-calibrations on everything.

Thanks, brother.

It takes a while to run the model for different settings so I started with the most obvious ones. I never even knew the whole 0 TE was a big thing until very recently. I would need to rearrange things a bit to implement that.

I've found the difference between -1 vs -2 for interceptions is not that significant. Might be I add it later, but right now it's running to add a 16 team option.

Anyway, let me know what you think of it whence you get some time to look at it.

 

[eighsse2]

Very cool. Thanks for posting. Don't really have the time to try to see why it's better than any other. But worth a look. Wish it had all of my league settings available (0 TE, 1/50 point per passing yard, -1 point per INT). But I don't know if that's as simple as adding those selections to the settings, or if that would require re-calibrations on everything.

Thanks, brother.

It takes a while to run the model for different settings so I started with the most obvious ones. I never even knew the whole 0 TE was a big thing until very recently. I would need to rearrange things a bit to implement that.

I've found the difference between -1 vs -2 for interceptions is not that significant. Might be I add it later, but right now it's running to add a 16 team option.

Anyway, let me know what you think of it whence you get some time to look at it.

Yeah, INT is definitely the least concern of those 3 settings. Next time I come up with a trade offer to throw out, or receive one, I'll try this out.

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

I'm bumping this one instead of creating a new thread.

Coming here to plug a new calculator I just put out, fantasy-forecast. The model behind it is similar to how I understand the process @ZWK uses. You can read about the design here, tho you are forewarned it's pretty hard-core. It took a lot a time to figure it all out but it's finally pretty much done, available for you.

First take, the guts of this has a lot of potential. But it shouldn't surprise you that the first name I plugged into this is a current trade I'm in talks with for Bijan Robinson. Is Bijan in the asset pool as the 1.01? I'm thinking the 1.01 is a historical average of what to expect at 1.01, without any verdict on where Bijan stacks up relative to the typical data driven 1.01.

Seems to have a powerful brain, but missing a heart and soul. Which I think might be what you're going for. Love that the variance is defined in points and is immediately mapped to a draft pick. Would like to see total point valuation assessed to both sides. Is +13 based on a 39-26 or a 9696-9683 ?

To add, the level of customization is excellent.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Yeah, it's a check, nothing more, nothing less.

This

+1

 

[eighsse2]

Would like to see total point valuation assessed to both sides. Is +13 based on a 39-26 or a 9696-9683 ?

Agree, but also, I like how it shows what pick would balance the trade. Which gives a good idea of how "big" that +13 must be. But regardless, why not just show the numbers.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Your best best is the Dynasty Value Discussion Topic.

Post up what you’re thinking of offering for what, and there will be no shortage of sharks giving you insight of whether it’s a good or bad deal, or suggest what you might need to do to adjust it to be better.

 

[cdclopper]

I'm bumping this one instead of creating a new thread.

Coming here to plug a new calculator I just put out, fantasy-forecast. The model behind it is similar to how I understand the process @ZWK uses. You can read about the design here, tho you are forewarned it's pretty hard-core. It took a lot a time to figure it all out but it's finally pretty much done, available for you.

First take, the guts of this has a lot of potential. But it shouldn't surprise you that the first name I plugged into this is a current trade I'm in talks with for Bijan Robinson. Is Bijan in the asset pool as the 1.01? I'm thinking the 1.01 is a historical average of what to expect at 1.01, without any verdict on where Bijan stacks up relative to the typical data driven 1.01.

Seems to have a powerful brain, but missing a heart and soul. Which I think might be what you're going for. Love that the variance is defined in points and is immediately mapped to a draft pick. Would like to see total point valuation assessed to both sides. Is +13 based on a 39-26 or a 9696-9683 ?

To add, the level of customization is excellent.

Bijan isn't in there because he hasn't been drafted yet. The predictor variables of the model are draft capital and past stats. And you're right picks are determined by historical average.

I originally had each player's values in additional columns, but in my first test it seemed to overwhelm everybody. For another thing, when there were 2 for 1s or 3 for 1s or 3 for 2s ect, people were confused that it when the arithmetic didn't add up.

Plus, I find it adds some mystery to it all.

I appreciate you taking the time to check it out. Bijan will be added soon.

 

[cdclopper]

Your best best is the Dynasty Value Discussion Topic.

Post up what you’re thinking of offering for what, and there will be no shortage of sharks giving you insight of whether it’s a good or bad deal, or suggest what you might need to do to adjust it to be better.

i was thinking that too, but when I looked, most people dont put the league settings on there. To me, the league specific results is the major draw. So I've been posting on the reddit trade analyzer sub because they usually add the their league rules on there.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I'm bumping this one instead of creating a new thread.

Coming here to plug a new calculator I just put out, fantasy-forecast. The model behind it is similar to how I understand the process @ZWK uses. You can read about the design here, tho you are forewarned it's pretty hard-core. It took a lot a time to figure it all out but it's finally pretty much done, available for you.

Of course I know you're probably thinking: "O jeez, here we go, another trade calculator. ". Let me say briefly, why this one's different:

• dynamic results
• evaluations are offered for specific league settings
• it's built from analytics using historical data

When I say dynamic results, I mean it's available for you to choose the most appropriate predictor for each player. This means you can use his draft_capital, or his stats from the last 1-4 years, or a combination of them. For example, look at Treylon Burks. In 11 games he got only 444 yards, 1TD his rookie year - not overwhelming. Yet, the Titans selected him with pick 18 in the draft. It's up to you to use his draft_capital if you want to give him a pass for his rookie season. I mean, he was hurt a bunch and Malik Willis started half the games. Or what about Michael Thomas, who's only played 10 games the past 3 seasons? Do you include his 2019 Offensive Player of the Year numbers? Tough question.

Some people have said this makes it a too complicated. So maybe it's not for everybody. So here's a more detailed explanation on how to use it if it's up your alley. Or there's a concise drop down on the appraisal page beside trade. Next to league settings provides an opportunity to use your own league parameters.

With all that said, it's important to recognize the limitations. If you chose to power thru the whole spiel, you know past fantasy_value (other than draft_capital), is the only metric the model considers. In other words, only past NFL stats go into it. On one hand, this is the best predictor of future outcomes. But, on the other, we all know there are times when stats can mislead. Players get injured, change teams, better competition comes in, new coaches, new quarterbacks, ect.

In other words, don't go trading James Robinson for the 1.06. But understand why this calculator says so.

With that, thanks for reading. I hope you choose to use the thing and it helps your efforts.

Just played with it a bit. Nifty tool.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Your best best is the Dynasty Value Discussion Topic.

Post up what you’re thinking of offering for what, and there will be no shortage of sharks giving you insight of whether it’s a good or bad deal, or suggest what you might need to do to adjust it to be better.

i was thinking that too, but when I looked, most people dont put the league settings on there. To me, the league specific results is the major draw. So I've been posting on the reddit trade analyzer sub because they usually add the their league rules on there.

One of the reasons I really like Dynasty Dominator. It’s my only paid calc, but it’s so customizable.

 

[osubuckeyeman]

Never use calculators. I just find the values are still based on models and opinions. Now, using a process that actually takes similar assets traded in real leagues is another matter. That you can find all over the place in message boards and some other places. I have my own system I use. I guess it is my own model and opinion but I do have a formula that works for me. I tell owners that depend on the calculators that I pay no attention to them because it's true I don't. After a few times they normally understand and maybe they think they can take advantage of me. I'm okay with that.

 

[sushinsky4tsar]

Bijan isn't in there because he hasn't been drafted yet. The predictor variables of the model are draft capital and past stats. And you're right picks are determined by historical average.

I originally had each player's values in additional columns, but in my first test it seemed to overwhelm everybody. For another thing, when there were 2 for 1s or 3 for 1s or 3 for 2s ect, people were confused that it when the arithmetic didn't add up.

Plus, I find it adds some mystery to it all.

I appreciate you taking the time to check it out. Bijan will be added soon.

There is something to be said for valuations that are purely data driven, based solely on historic actuals. Obviously, a lot of people are going to consider anything that doesn't factor future projections or react to actual breaking news as a shortcoming. I think one of the outs that this calculator has to that criticism is the ability to select a given year (or possibly range of years?) for a player which might better represent expectations for that player for the coming year.

Since you're clearly not afraid of high levels of customization, did you give any consideration to multiplier customization (for lack of a better name)? For instance, if I'm expecting a downturn for Zeke, instead of finding a year that he was bad and using that, or even an alternative player to what I'm expecting in the coming season, it might be helpful to manually designate 85% production of last season or 60% of cumulative Zeke. That would also be a way out on rookie valuations. No Bijan because no data. That's fine. Instead, I can plug in the 1.01 with a factor of 1.3, because I'm expecting Bijan to be that much more productive than the historical average of what the 1.01 has been.

 

[greenmountaingoat]

K T C does a great job of keeping tabs on various players values relative to similar players but determining multiple players versus one is way beyond calculation.

 

[eighsse2]

K T C does a great job of keeping tabs on various players values relative to similar players but determining multiple players versus one is way beyond calculation.

I like KTC. You have to add a boulder of salt as with any calculator, but I like the crowd-sourced concept. I think it would be interesting if they started including two-player packages alongside single players in the KTC proposals. That could be used to tune how the values combine in the calculator.

 

[cdclopper]

K T C does a great job of keeping tabs on various players values relative to similar players but determining multiple players versus one is way beyond calculation.

I like KTC. You have to add a boulder of salt as with any calculator, but I like the crowd-sourced concept. I think it would be interesting if they started including two-player packages alongside single players in the KTC proposals. That could be used to tune how the values combine in the calculator.

I've been saying this for a long time. A multi player trade on that site is not based off crowd sourcing. They never ask anybody about 2 for 1s. These valuations are determined by their algorithm.

 

[wlwiles]

K T C does a great job of keeping tabs on various players values relative to similar players but determining multiple players versus one is way beyond calculation.

But I do appreciate that KTC attempts to add in a Value Adjustment when a deal involves an odd # of assets. If you want to trade Pierce and Aiyuk for Barkley, it'll add to Barkley's score and make you "pay up" for him, so you can't just pay two fives for a ten. It's definitely not perfect but it tries. One thing I really don't like about some of the other calculators is that they just straight sum up the points on both sides. It'll tell you that two thirds (5 pts each) + Mooney (10) + Perine (4) = Aiyuk (24) which is garbage.

I mostly use KTC to see the player trends. Did Damien Harris take an uptick in value after signing with Buffalo? Did Juju going to NE move his value at all? I use it to figure out "how do people value Player X at this time?" and then pivot off that if I disagree - try to sell high and buy low. I also let it suggest things that can help to bridge a gap. If I want to buy Pittman with my 1.12, I'll see what else it suggests that I add to the offer to make it closer.

 

[joey]

K T C does a great job of keeping tabs on various players values relative to similar players but determining multiple players versus one is way beyond calculation.

But I do appreciate that KTC attempts to add in a Value Adjustment when a deal involves an odd # of assets. If you want to trade Pierce and Aiyuk for Barkley, it'll add to Barkley's score and make you "pay up" for him, so you can't just pay two fives for a ten. It's definitely not perfect but it tries. One thing I really don't like about some of the other calculators is that they just straight sum up the points on both sides. It'll tell you that two thirds (5 pts each) + Mooney (10) + Perine (4) = Aiyuk (24) which is garbage.

I mostly use KTC to see the player trends. Did Damien Harris take an uptick in value after signing with Buffalo? Did Juju going to NE move his value at all? I use it to figure out "how do people value Player X at this time?" and then pivot off that if I disagree - try to sell high and buy low. I also let it suggest things that can help to bridge a gap. If I want to buy Pittman with my 1.12, I'll see what else it suggests that I add to the offer to make it closer.

I didn’t realize KTC had a trade calculator but, um, it looks waaaay out of whack in terms of overvaluing rookie picks. At least in this one example:
Diggs 6138
+ value adjustment 1067
= 7,205

pick 1.08 5553
pick 2.07 3701
= 9,254

maybe I’m off base but it seems like the picks side should have to still add more to get Diggs, but this calc says it’s already tipped in favor of the team getting the picks. Dynasty101 and DynastyProcess calculators are more in line with what I expect, ie. The picks side would still have to add more to make it “even”

 

[TartanLion]

The only one I use is Dominator by RotoUnderworld. I don’t ever mention it or bring it into negotiations, I just use it to double check ideas I get in my head for trades, or when I get offered or countered something that I feel I’m interested in.

When I was making a move for Hurts and received a counter of Lance, Javonte Williams and a ‘23 mid 1st for him, the Dominator told me it was an absolute smash accept. I brought it to this forum and received a wide range of answers, anyways, did the trade and haven’t looked back. I like the views and opinions of everyone connected at RotoUnderworld so the app helps me further form opinions I’d started making myself.

 

[zaner75]

Some calculators try to address value issues, like KTC with value adjustment or DLF with package adjustment, but they're all basically flawed and just one opinion. Variables like league and starting lineup size, lineup vs bestball, best player involved, positional scarcity, opening up a roster spot, etc. can all affect how people perceive values in trades.

Many here have stated that calcs can sometimes be a useful gauge because they are savvy. The mindless who spout trade calcs as gospel are also likely the ones who ask WDIS questions and blame the analyst they sought advice from when the recommended player doesn't perform to expectations.