Dynasty Value Discussion Thread (10 Viewers)

[titusbramble]

Looking at the potential of a Justin Jefferson deal in 12 team PPR (FFPC) 1 QB league

Tell me if how you think any of these packages stacks up, and which you prefer.

1- Jameson Williams, Dallas Goedert, pick 1.07, 2024 1st

2- Pick 1.01, pick 1.09, 2024 1st

3- pick 1.01, Deebo

It's always hard to work a deal for a top stud who is

It's deffo one of the trades where you get Bijan, whether I'd actually pull the trigger is a different question. #1 doesn't appeal at all and that's speaking as someone who traded away JJ last offseason

 

[ghostguy123]

Looking at the potential of a Justin Jefferson deal in 12 team PPR (FFPC) 1 QB league

Tell me if how you think any of these packages stacks up, and which you prefer.

1- Jameson Williams, Dallas Goedert, pick 1.07, 2024 1st

2- Pick 1.01, pick 1.09, 2024 1st

3- pick 1.01, Deebo

It's always hard to work a deal for a top stud who is

2 is far and away the best return/most to give up IMO.

Option one is the least return/give up.

So you think picks 1.09 and a future 1st is better than Deebo?
Worried about Trey Lance?

 

[IHEARTFF]

Looking at the potential of a Justin Jefferson deal in 12 team PPR (FFPC) 1 QB league

Tell me if how you think any of these packages stacks up, and which you prefer.

1- Jameson Williams, Dallas Goedert, pick 1.07, 2024 1st

2- Pick 1.01, pick 1.09, 2024 1st

3- pick 1.01, Deebo

It's always hard to work a deal for a top stud who is

2 is far and away the best return/most to give up IMO.

Option one is the least return/give up.

So you think picks 1.09 and a future 1st is better than Deebo?
Worried about Trey Lance?

I think I might sell Deebo for the 1.9 and a future 1st

 

[menobrown]

Looking at the potential of a Justin Jefferson deal in 12 team PPR (FFPC) 1 QB league

Tell me if how you think any of these packages stacks up, and which you prefer.

1- Jameson Williams, Dallas Goedert, pick 1.07, 2024 1st

2- Pick 1.01, pick 1.09, 2024 1st

3- pick 1.01, Deebo

It's always hard to work a deal for a top stud who is

2 is far and away the best return/most to give up IMO.

Option one is the least return/give up.

So you think picks 1.09 and a future 1st is better than Deebo?
Worried about Trey Lance?

Yes on those picks over Deebo due to not nearly high enough performance for me to offset his age and penchant for missing time to rise to value of two #1's. Has nothing to do with Lance who I put odds on not being the starter.

 

[ghostguy123]

Looking at the potential of a Justin Jefferson deal in 12 team PPR (FFPC) 1 QB league

Tell me if how you think any of these packages stacks up, and which you prefer.

1- Jameson Williams, Dallas Goedert, pick 1.07, 2024 1st

2- Pick 1.01, pick 1.09, 2024 1st

3- pick 1.01, Deebo

It's always hard to work a deal for a top stud who is

2 is far and away the best return/most to give up IMO.

Option one is the least return/give up.

So you think picks 1.09 and a future 1st is better than Deebo?
Worried about Trey Lance?

I think I might sell Deebo for the 1.9 and a future 1st

Deebo was a late 1st/early 2nd round startup pick last year, and he hasn't done anything to HURT that value, though this year he's probably more of a mid 2nd I think. Either way, I think that value is more than pick 9 and a future 1st.
That said, I can see the appeal of the picks over Deebo.

 

[IHEARTFF]

KTC has 1.9 and late 24 1st worth a lot more than Deebo. I think its probably closer than that, but still prefer the picks yes.

 

[ghostguy123]

Actually in didn't realize how many games Deebo missed. And his points weren't super consistent. CMC there also might hurt.
I probably still view him pretty close to those picks though

 

[menobrown]

Deebo was a late 1st/early 2nd round startup pick last year, and he hasn't done anything to HURT that value, though this year he's probably more of a mid 2nd I think

I am providing my opinion as you asked. I would never have remotely put Deebo's value that high last year and in fact did not think he was worth a second round pick in redraft last year. I have put him on the trade block in a league two years in a row and no one has even lowballed me with a single first round offer. I think he was my redraft player 23 last year, that's as a 27 year old WR. Now that did have some to do with Lance but fair to say if I got a 27 year old WR as redraft player 23 he'd not a top 36 overall player for me (ETA in dynasty). That was last year. His value is even less to me now.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Looking at the potential of a Justin Jefferson deal in 12 team PPR (FFPC) 1 QB league

Tell me if how you think any of these packages stacks up, and which you prefer.

1- Jameson Williams, Dallas Goedert, pick 1.07, 2024 1st

2- Pick 1.01, pick 1.09, 2024 1st

3- pick 1.01, Deebo

It's always hard to work a deal for a top stud who is

2 is far and away the best return/most to give up IMO.

Option one is the least return/give up.

So you think picks 1.09 and a future 1st is better than Deebo?
Worried about Trey Lance?

I think I might sell Deebo for the 1.9 and a future 1st

I might also.

More to do with QB situation, and the way he’s used leading to bumps & bruises.

I think 2x 1sts is a pretty solid value for him.

It’s close though. It would depend a lot on my team’s current construction.

 

[ghostguy123]

Jefferson.
Or.
Deebo, 1.01, 1.09

Or.
1.01, 1.09, 2.01, 2.02, 2024 1st

 

[JoeJoe88]

Looking at the potential of a Justin Jefferson deal in 12 team PPR (FFPC) 1 QB league

Tell me if how you think any of these packages stacks up, and which you prefer.

1- Jameson Williams, Dallas Goedert, pick 1.07, 2024 1st

2- Pick 1.01, pick 1.09, 2024 1st

3- pick 1.01, Deebo

It's always hard to work a deal for a top stud who is

2 is far and away the best return/most to give up IMO.

Option one is the least return/give up.

So you think picks 1.09 and a future 1st is better than Deebo?
Worried about Trey Lance?

I would sell DeeBo for that.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Jefferson.
Or.
Deebo, 1.01, 1.09

Or.
1.01, 1.09, 2.01, 2.02, 2024 1st

Jefferson for me.

1.01, 1.09, 2.01, 2.02, 2024 1st is very very tempting. Especially if the 2024 1st is from the team with 1.01 this year.

 

[menobrown]

Jefferson.
Or.
Deebo, 1.01, 1.09

Or.
1.01, 1.09, 2.01, 2.02, 2024 1st

I'd prefer the second option as I indicated but feel depending on team makeup I could see situations were one or both moved the needle for me.

This is not a controversial take as I'm not alone on this, might even be the consensus opinion, but I got Bijan as RB1. Maybe this is a slightly less popular take and my island is a little smaller but he's my overall player 3 right now.

So if I looked at this from context of a startup if I drew 1.1:

If someone offered me 1.3, Deebo and something that allowed me to draft the 9th best rookie for the pick I'd think it was a qualify offer but pass.

If someone offered me 1.3, ability to draft the 9th, 13th and 14th rookies and a first round pick the next year for the pick I am pretty sure I would accept that offer.

 

[Marauder]

Jefferson.
Or.
Deebo, 1.01, 1.09

Or.
1.01, 1.09, 2.01, 2.02, 2024 1st

I own JJ in multiple leagues and I don't think I'd sell him for either of those packages, although the second option would be tempting. If I thought the 24 1st would likely be high I might do it.

 

[ghostguy123]

If people are truly valuing Bijan as the #1 overall RB and a top 3-4 overall dynasty pick, then to me he is an easy sell.
I will sell any unproven player who's value is at their ceiling before ever seeing the field.

 

[jm192]

If people are truly valuing Bijan as the #1 overall RB and a top 3-4 overall dynasty pick, then to me he is an easy sell.
I will sell any unproven player who's value is at their ceiling before ever seeing the field.

Yup.

You can't go any higher than the RB1 at 21 years old.

Everyone with the 1.01 should shop the pick to their league mates. Get a King's ransom.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

It's tricky. You can use him for 3 years and then trade him for close to what his value is now as long as he performs as expected.

He'll be 24 going into his 4th season. So he'll still have prime value going into that offseason.

If he underperforms there is an issue. All depends how confident someone is in him. He's an extremely "clean" RB with great receiving ability so is as safe a RB can be coming into the league.

 

[menobrown]

You can't go any higher than the RB1 at 21 years old.

I never really liked being the guy to actually pick the player at 1.1 of a startup because in theory that player can't get any higher in value.

Bijan however can. Because being the RB1 is not the same as player 1 which is why the discussion was about what you had to add to Bijan to get the consensus overall player 1 is a little bit of a haul in and of itself. So I don't agree he's hit the apex of his value. Possible however.

 

[joey]

How do y’all handle aging veterans on a win now team? For example, I have Mike Evans but have great WR depth and youth. Do you try to move in individually or part of a package? Do you sell low or ride him out?

I have a Super Win Now team with Evans as my WR2 behind Adams, but not much quality depth to speak of (Lazard helped me tons earlier this year, and Theilen helped me tons the year before…Palmer, Van Jefferson…meh) but I can’t see myself trading Evans this offseason with how my roster is shaking out. But DURING this coming season, if my team isn’t looking like it can win it all…that’s when I’ll look to move a player like Evans to a contending team in hopes of getting max value at that point.

I’d move both Evans and Adams in-season if you can. Heck, I’d be tempted to move them before they fall off of a cliff.

If Brady doesn’t come back to TB, and Carr is out of Oakland, it might not even be age that catches up with them. They might just be victims of circumstance - and then good luck getting much for the 30 & 31 year olds, respectively if they don’t have their normally strong numbers.

Of course if ARod or Brady goes to OAK, or the Bucs bring in a Geno or Carr, maybe it would be best to wait.

Best time to deal those two was last year, unfortunately. Now there’s seemingly a lot more risk.

Last year wasn‘t the best time for ME to deal them since I’ve now won back to back championships in that $250 buy in league, in no small part due to their contributions. I am now playing with house money in that league for the next 10 years!

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Last year wasn‘t the best time for ME to deal them since I’ve now won back to back championships in that $250 buy in league, in no small part due to their contributions. I am now playing with house money in that league for the 10 years!

Well yes, in that context the calculus was good - $$$$ now in exchange for less value down the road. Hell, you can let those two die on your roster & you’re still way ahead.

It just might be harder to rebuild.

As I said above in a post, that’s a worthy trade-off.

Congrats.

 

[joey]

If , hypothetically speaking, you have a team that’s stacked otherwise, and can win the ‘ship by standing pat while guys like Adams, Evans, & Henry age out, then I say go for it, collect those winnings & worry about tomorrow tomorrow.

At some point playing dynasty is about winning that ‘ship. Those windows are often short and rare, so if you’re feeling like this is it, then go for it.

Saw you posted this after my last reply.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Jefferson.
Or.
Deebo, 1.01, 1.09

Or.
1.01, 1.09, 2.01, 2.02, 2024 1st

I own JJ in multiple leagues and I don't think I'd sell him for either of those packages, although the second option would be tempting. If I thought the 24 1st would likely be high I might do it.

Bijan + 4 decent to very good assets would be tough to decline.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Bijan + 4 decent to very good assets would be tough to decline.

Especially that 2024 1.xx

Assuming it's the same team that had the 2023 1.01, the addition of JJ won't off-set the subtraction of all of that draft capital. So a very good chance that 2024 pick is top 4?

Seems like a safe assumption. If I'm a JJ owner I probably smash accept on that one. It's just so much value. Not to mention you could turn around and flip the some of those picks for assets. The more I think about it the less I can justify declining such an offer.

 

[ghostguy123]

Bijan + 4 decent to very good assets would be tough to decline.

Especially that 2024 1.xx

Assuming it's the same team that had the 2023 1.01, the addition of JJ won't off-set the subtraction of all of that draft capital. So a very good chance that 2024 pick is top 4?

Seems like a safe assumption. If I'm a JJ owner I probably smash accept on that one. It's just so much value. Not to mention you could turn around and flip the some of those picks for assets. The more I think about it the less I can justify declining such an offer.

The 2024 1st would probably be a playoff pick
It's the same team that got the #1, but it's a good team who just missed the playoffs

 

[Birdie048]

Jefferson.
Or.
Deebo, 1.01, 1.09

Or.
1.01, 1.09, 2.01, 2.02, 2024 1st

I'd prefer the second option as I indicated but feel depending on team makeup I could see situations were one or both moved the needle for me.

This is not a controversial take as I'm not alone on this, might even be the consensus opinion, but I got Bijan as RB1. Maybe this is a slightly less popular take and my island is a little smaller but he's my overall player 3 right now.

So if I looked at this from context of a startup if I drew 1.1:

If someone offered me 1.3, Deebo and something that allowed me to draft the 9th best rookie for the pick I'd think it was a qualify offer but pass.

If someone offered me 1.3, ability to draft the 9th, 13th and 14th rookies and a first round pick the next year for the pick I am pretty sure I would accept that offer.

(Bold Red) This was a convincing way to look at it ...compare to Start up... but for the rest of us already into a league ... this would still sell me on JJ
Since I am not a fan of Deebo due to the whole SF Offense inconsistency, Option 2 is a deal.
As an other of those picks (or very close to them) ... I don't know if I would offer that to the JJ owner in my league ... My rebuild would not bare any fruit from just JJ before he was on the decline.

 

[Birdie048]

Bijan + 4 decent to very good assets would be tough to decline.

Especially that 2024 1.xx

Assuming it's the same team that had the 2023 1.01, the addition of JJ won't off-set the subtraction of all of that draft capital. So a very good chance that 2024 pick is top 4?

Seems like a safe assumption. If I'm a JJ owner I probably smash accept on that one. It's just so much value. Not to mention you could turn around and flip the some of those picks for assets. The more I think about it the less I can justify declining such an offer.

But would you BUY JJ for that price?
I agree selling for that is value.
Unless your roster was built to compete and needed something nice like JJ to put you over the top, it could cripple your team for years to come.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

The 2024 1st would probably be a playoff pick
It's the same team that got the #1, but it's a good team who just missed the playoffs

Ok that changes things.

Still a very good offer for JJ. Not necessarily a smash accept.

 

[jabarony]

What's an estimated draft pick value for the 1.01 (SF)? Not necessarily a generic trade calculator value of 1.01, but of this year's 1.01 (Bijan)? I've offered 1.10, 1.11, & 1.12 (+ minor additions) for the pick and was declined. Obviously they're late, and correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't 3x 1sts usually do the job? Or am I offbase and that wouldn't even get Breece Hall or similar in past years?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

What's an estimated draft pick value for the 1.01 (SF)? Not necessarily a generic trade calculator value of 1.01, but of this year's 1.01 (Bijan)? I've offered 1.10, 1.11, & 1.12 (+ minor additions) for the pick and was declined. Obviously they're late, and correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't 3x 1sts usually do the job? Or am I offbase and that wouldn't even get Breece Hall or similar in past years?

The phrase “3 1sts” is a bit misleading here though. Literally? Sure. Value-wise? Not close.

In this case it’s a move from a “generational talent” down to 1.10 that’s going to be the big obstacle.

To me, I’d see going from 1.01 to 1.10 as the point where I’d click reject and wouldn’t counter.

Best bet maybe would be to try to turn the 10+11 into a 1.05, then offer 1.05, 1.12 & a 2024 1st for it. And it still might get rejected, but at least you’re giving the 1.01 team an opportunity to get a top tier WR.

Going from 1.01 to 1.10 only gets them to the maybe tier of WR & RB. All 3 of those picks could be great, or they could be meh.

IMO, you have to think of it in tiers. Bijan is in his own tier. Depending on format, Gibbs and/or JSN (or whichever WR gets the best draft capital / landing spot) are likely the next tier.

Then a tier or two down from that are your 10-11-12 picks.

So mile-high view, you’re essentially offering a dime & 2 nickels for a dollar. Maybe even 3 nickels. I doubt that would have brought you Hall last year, no.

 

[jabarony]

What's an estimated draft pick value for the 1.01 (SF)? Not necessarily a generic trade calculator value of 1.01, but of this year's 1.01 (Bijan)? I've offered 1.10, 1.11, & 1.12 (+ minor additions) for the pick and was declined. Obviously they're late, and correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't 3x 1sts usually do the job? Or am I offbase and that wouldn't even get Breece Hall or similar in past years?

The phrase “3 1sts” is a bit misleading here though. Literally? Sure. Value-wise? Not close.

In this case it’s a move from a “generational talent” down to 1.10 that’s going to be the big obstacle.

To me, I’d see going from 1.01 to 1.10 as the point where I’d click reject and wouldn’t counter.

Best bet maybe would be to try to turn the 10+11 into a 1.05, then offer 1.05, 1.12 & a 2024 1st for it. And it still might get rejected, but at least you’re giving the 1.01 team an opportunity to get a top tier WR.

Going from 1.01 to 1.10 only gets them to the maybe tier of WR & RB. All 3 of those picks could be great, or they could be meh.

IMO, you have to think of it in tiers. Bijan is in his own tier. Depending on format, Gibbs and/or JSN (or whichever WR gets the best draft capital / landing spot) are likely the next tier.

Then a tier or two down from that are your 10-11-12 picks.

So mile-high view, you’re essentially offering a dime & 2 nickels for a dollar. Maybe even 3 nickels. I doubt that would have brought you Hall last year, no.

Thanks. Or to put it another way, have you guys seen any 1.01 trades, all, or mostly, draft picks?

 

[Buckna]

What's an estimated draft pick value for the 1.01 (SF)? Not necessarily a generic trade calculator value of 1.01, but of this year's 1.01 (Bijan)? I've offered 1.10, 1.11, & 1.12 (+ minor additions) for the pick and was declined. Obviously they're late, and correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't 3x 1sts usually do the job? Or am I offbase and that wouldn't even get Breece Hall or similar in past years?

DLF has the 1.01 as worth a smidge above the value of Taylor or Hall and around the 5th pick in a startup (JJ, Chase, AJB, & Lamb). Pretty much fits with a lot of sentiment that Bijuan is RB1 right now even without Combine or Landing Spot. Going to cost a lot more than the “average” years 1.01

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Thanks. Or to put it another way, have you guys seen any 1.01 trades, all, or mostly, draft picks?

Not yet, no. Only one would be the one @ghostguy123 recently posted about Jefferson - but I don’t think that was an actual trade, just a value question (Jefferson for the 1.01, 1.07, 2.01, 2.07, & 2024 1.xx, IIRC)

 

[Lehigh98]

What's an estimated draft pick value for the 1.01 (SF)? Not necessarily a generic trade calculator value of 1.01, but of this year's 1.01 (Bijan)? I've offered 1.10, 1.11, & 1.12 (+ minor additions) for the pick and was declined. Obviously they're late, and correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't 3x 1sts usually do the job? Or am I offbase and that wouldn't even get Breece Hall or similar in past years?

We're close enough to that draft that people can and will associate those picks with real players. 1.01 = BIJAN!
1.10, 1.11, 1.12 = Evans / Mayer / Tucker / Downs, etc
Who wants to trade a guy who many are already considering the #1 overall dynasty RB for some later rookies that may not hit?

 

[Lehigh98]

What's an estimated draft pick value for the 1.01 (SF)? Not necessarily a generic trade calculator value of 1.01, but of this year's 1.01 (Bijan)? I've offered 1.10, 1.11, & 1.12 (+ minor additions) for the pick and was declined. Obviously they're late, and correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't 3x 1sts usually do the job? Or am I offbase and that wouldn't even get Breece Hall or similar in past years?

The phrase “3 1sts” is a bit misleading here though. Literally? Sure. Value-wise? Not close.

In this case it’s a move from a “generational talent” down to 1.10 that’s going to be the big obstacle.

To me, I’d see going from 1.01 to 1.10 as the point where I’d click reject and wouldn’t counter.

Best bet maybe would be to try to turn the 10+11 into a 1.05, then offer 1.05, 1.12 & a 2024 1st for it. And it still might get rejected, but at least you’re giving the 1.01 team an opportunity to get a top tier WR.

Going from 1.01 to 1.10 only gets them to the maybe tier of WR & RB. All 3 of those picks could be great, or they could be meh.

IMO, you have to think of it in tiers. Bijan is in his own tier. Depending on format, Gibbs and/or JSN (or whichever WR gets the best draft capital / landing spot) are likely the next tier.

Then a tier or two down from that are your 10-11-12 picks.

So mile-high view, you’re essentially offering a dime & 2 nickels for a dollar. Maybe even 3 nickels. I doubt that would have brought you Hall last year, no.

Thanks. Or to put it another way, have you guys seen any 1.01 trades, all, or mostly, draft picks?

Was interested to see what Bijan / 1.01 would go for and saw on DLF board that someone just traded for him (12 Team 1/2 PPR Superflex):

Received: 1.01 and 2024 3rd
Gave: Saquon Barkley, Tee Higgins, 2.01

Ouch. I have Bijan in a devy and would make that deal.

Also DLF...
8 Team SF. Traded 1.03, 24 1st and 25 1st for 1.01 and 1.07.

1QB: Gave 1.01, Got Olave, 24 middle(ish) 1st 2023 2nd, 3rd

16 team 2qb
Gave: 1.1,3.1, zamir white
Got: trey lance, 1.10, 1.13

10tm SF Three Way Trade:
Team A - Gives: Kyler; Gets: Fields + 2023 pick 14 + 24 later 2
Team B - Gives: Fields + 2024 later 2 + 2023 1.01; Gets: Kyler + 1.03
Team C - Gives: 1.03 + 2023 pick 14: Gets: 1.01

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

What's an estimated draft pick value for the 1.01 (SF)? Not necessarily a generic trade calculator value of 1.01, but of this year's 1.01 (Bijan)? I've offered 1.10, 1.11, & 1.12 (+ minor additions) for the pick and was declined. Obviously they're late, and correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't 3x 1sts usually do the job? Or am I offbase and that wouldn't even get Breece Hall or similar in past years?

We're close enough to that draft that people can and will associate those picks with real players. 1.01 = BIJAN!
1.10, 1.11, 1.12 = Evans / Mayer / Tucker / Downs, etc
Who wants to trade a guy who many are already considering the #1 overall dynasty RB for some later rookies that may not hit?

Exactly.

To frame the question in the correct context, ask, “would you deal JT for 1.10, 1.11, 1.12?”

Or “would you deal Chase for 1.10, 1.11., 1.12?”

That’s what the 1.01 is right now. At least the general perception of it. It’s not a pick, it’s a player. And one that the FF community has been waiting for for 3 years+. And he’s done noting to show he’s not worthy over that span.

So….yeah. Back end picks aren’t gonna get it done.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Was interested to see what Bijan / 1.01 would go for and saw on DLF board that someone just traded for him (12 Team 1/2 PPR Superflex):

Received: 1.01 and 2024 3rd
Gave: Saquon Barkley, Tee Higgins, 2.01

Ouch. I have Bijan in a devy and would make that deal.

Saquan+Higgins+2.01 for 1.01+'23 3rd is probably the right ballpark.

Barkley is 26 in 8 days, and Bijan is 21 (he just turned 21 2 days ago), so that's getting 5 years older at RB for Higgins + a 2.01

If I'm 1.01 I probably still don't make that deal, but I think the value is close. If that 2.01 is a 2023 1st instead it's a lot closer.

 

[Buckna]

Haven’t seen much for trades yet. MFL doesn’t roll over sites until after the Super Bowl, I imagine a lot of other hosts are the same. Would guess we’ll see a lot more action this month once those updates are made and into March

 

[jm192]

Besides the Bijan trade, anyone traded Saquon of late? Or thoughts on his value?
I'm curious as to what I could turn him into going into the off-season.

GREAT season. He turns 26 this week. Not necessarily committed to having to move him.

 

[Marauder]

Besides the Bijan trade, anyone traded Saquon of late? Or thoughts on his value?
I'm curious as to what I could turn him into going into the off-season.

GREAT season. He turns 26 this week. Not necessarily committed to having to move him.

I traded Saquan a couple of weeks ago for DK Metcalf and a 2024 2nd but I tend to value WR's more than RB's.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Besides the Bijan trade, anyone traded Saquon of late? Or thoughts on his value?
I'm curious as to what I could turn him into going into the off-season.

GREAT season. He turns 26 this week. Not necessarily committed to having to move him.

It’s tricky since he’s a UFA. At first he said he didn’t intend to set the market for RB, but now he reportedly wants CMC $.

So while he wants to play with NYG, that’s suddenly very up in the air if he’s not gonna give them a discount.

I don’t judge - if I were Saquan I wouldn’t either.

Anyway, once his landing spot is settled his value should also settle in. With a dearth of RB coming in the draft and FA, it will be fascinating to see how NFL teams value Saquan this off-season.

Until then, it’s probably going to be tricky to obtain him. His current owners will want top value, while suitors are likely wanting to buy a little low based on the ambiguity of his destination for 2023.

If I’m a Barkley shareholder I likely wait. If he goes to a jackpot situation, I could see his value rise, while even if he goes to a seemingly worse situation I can’t really see it falling. And that said, it’s hard to imagine a worse run-blocking OL than NYG.

 

[menobrown]

If I’m a Barkley shareholder I likely wait. If he goes to a jackpot situation, I could see his value rise, while even if he goes to a seemingly worse situation I can’t really see if falling. And that said, it’s hard to imagine a worse run-blocking OL thank NYG.

I think this is good advice because it's hard to see a worse situation. For pure football fan purposes I'm thankful we got to see CMC not spend his entire career in a pitiful offense and wish for the same thing with Barkley. But regardless of what I want based on recent comments from Joe Schoen I would not assume Barkley is returning to the Giants.

 

[candian fantasy guy]

I got offered his T Lawrence and Kirk for Hill and 1.02 in a 12 team SF league.

I need a QB and I’ve been sitting on Ridley all year. I am pretty close to accepting this offer. However, I could just hold and get the top QB at 1.02 and stick with Hill. Am I overthinking this?

 

[Boston]

I got offered his T Lawrence and Kirk for Hill and 1.02 in a 12 team SF league.

I need a QB and I’ve been sitting on Ridley all year. I am pretty close to accepting this offer. However, I could just hold and get the top QB at 1.02 and stick with Hill. Am I overthinking this?

Wow...tough one...usually I am good with going to the mat to get a top-shelf, young QB like Lawrence in SF...in this case that price maybe too much because you are probably guaranteed to get Young at 1.2 (I am assuming Bijan goes #1.1) and there is a big gap between Kirk and Hill...I would try to get more creative with that second piece instead of Kirk (who I do like but not this much...especially if you have Ridley as well).

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I got offered his T Lawrence and Kirk for Hill and 1.02 in a 12 team SF league.

I need a QB and I’ve been sitting on Ridley all year. I am pretty close to accepting this offer. However, I could just hold and get the top QB at 1.02 and stick with Hill. Am I overthinking this?

Smash accept. Stop typing. Go.

TLaw in SF is one of the top QB dynasty assets IMO.

I’d much rather have that than the risk of a 1.02 QB (and I’m drafting both Stroud & Young in SF)

This feels like a big win.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I got offered his T Lawrence and Kirk for Hill and 1.02 in a 12 team SF league.

I need a QB and I’ve been sitting on Ridley all year. I am pretty close to accepting this offer. However, I could just hold and get the top QB at 1.02 and stick with Hill. Am I overthinking this?

Wow...tough one...usually I am good with going to the mat to get a top-shelf, young QB like Lawrence in SF...in this case that price maybe too much because you are probably guaranteed to get Young at 1.2 (I am assuming Bijan goes #1.1) and there is a big gap between Kirk and Hill...I would try to get more creative with that second piece instead of Kirk (who I do like but not this much...especially if you have Ridley as well).

I don’t really feel like Kirk is that much of the equation.

For me it’s TLaw for 1.02+Hill

Feels like we know TLaw isn’t a bust. As a Zach Wilson shareholder I feel like that’s worth the price alone.

Potential hindsight kicking oneself if Young or Stroud goes ham, but equal potential of Young or Stroud being well behind TLaw for a couple years.

 

[candian fantasy guy]

I accepted the trade! Feels good and Thank you!

 

[candian fantasy guy]

I got offered his T Lawrence and Kirk for Hill and 1.02 in a 12 team SF league.

I need a QB and I’ve been sitting on Ridley all year. I am pretty close to accepting this offer. However, I could just hold and get the top QB at 1.02 and stick with Hill. Am I overthinking this?

Wow...tough one...usually I am good with going to the mat to get a top-shelf, young QB like Lawrence in SF...in this case that price maybe too much because you are probably guaranteed to get Young at 1.2 (I am assuming Bijan goes #1.1) and there is a big gap between Kirk and Hill...I would try to get more creative with that second piece instead of Kirk (who I do like but not this much...especially if you have Ridley as well).

I don’t really feel like Kirk is that much of the equation.

For me it’s TLaw for 1.02+Hill

Feels like we know TLaw isn’t a bust. As a Zach Wilson shareholder I feel like that’s worth the price alone.

Potential hindsight kicking oneself if Young or Stroud goes ham, but equal potential of Young or Stroud being well behind TLaw for a couple years.

I really like T Law, he was one of my most drafted players this past season. I am thrilled to get him long term on my rebuild that I bought last year.

 

[Boston]

I got offered his T Lawrence and Kirk for Hill and 1.02 in a 12 team SF league.

I need a QB and I’ve been sitting on Ridley all year. I am pretty close to accepting this offer. However, I could just hold and get the top QB at 1.02 and stick with Hill. Am I overthinking this?

Wow...tough one...usually I am good with going to the mat to get a top-shelf, young QB like Lawrence in SF...in this case that price maybe too much because you are probably guaranteed to get Young at 1.2 (I am assuming Bijan goes #1.1) and there is a big gap between Kirk and Hill...I would try to get more creative with that second piece instead of Kirk (who I do like but not this much...especially if you have Ridley as well).

I don’t really feel like Kirk is that much of the equation.

For me it’s TLaw for 1.02+Hill

Feels like we know TLaw isn’t a bust. As a Zach Wilson shareholder I feel like that’s worth the price alone.

Potential hindsight kicking oneself if Young or Stroud goes ham, but equal potential of Young or Stroud being well behind TLaw for a couple years.

Kirk is coming off of a year where he went 84-1,108-8 on an ascending offense that has invested big $ in him...not sure how you can say that is not at least part of the equation...now, I am not a fan of Kirk in this deal which is why I would try to get a second piece that does more for me...I don't disagree about going all in on Lawrence and you do have to overpay to get him but if I am offering 1.2 and Hill I am going to definitely talk to the Hurts, Allen, Burrow and Mahomes Owners to see if they have interest....as well as just dealing Hill to see if I can get another quality QB while keeping the 1.2...while you make a great point about the downside of 1.2 the upside is Young ends up close to Lawrence in fantasy and you also lost one of the most dynamic players in Hill...this is a tough one which is why I would try to do something different than Kirk.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I got offered his T Lawrence and Kirk for Hill and 1.02 in a 12 team SF league.

I need a QB and I’ve been sitting on Ridley all year. I am pretty close to accepting this offer. However, I could just hold and get the top QB at 1.02 and stick with Hill. Am I overthinking this?

Wow...tough one...usually I am good with going to the mat to get a top-shelf, young QB like Lawrence in SF...in this case that price maybe too much because you are probably guaranteed to get Young at 1.2 (I am assuming Bijan goes #1.1) and there is a big gap between Kirk and Hill...I would try to get more creative with that second piece instead of Kirk (who I do like but not this much...especially if you have Ridley as well).

I don’t really feel like Kirk is that much of the equation.

For me it’s TLaw for 1.02+Hill

Feels like we know TLaw isn’t a bust. As a Zach Wilson shareholder I feel like that’s worth the price alone.

Potential hindsight kicking oneself if Young or Stroud goes ham, but equal potential of Young or Stroud being well behind TLaw for a couple years.

I really like T Law, he was one of my most drafted players this past season. I am thrilled to get him long term on my rebuild that I bought last year.

Yeah - he’s a cornerstone player.

One of my calcs has this favoring you by ~20%, the other (dynasty 101) has it the other way.

Personally I’d be fine dealing off a 28 year old Hill (29 in March) in order to lock up a known commodity in a very good offense.

Young and/or Stroud are both great prospects, but TLaw was the golden boy - I would absolutely make that deal. Heck, I might do it without Kirk.

But that’s just me.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I got offered his T Lawrence and Kirk for Hill and 1.02 in a 12 team SF league.

I need a QB and I’ve been sitting on Ridley all year. I am pretty close to accepting this offer. However, I could just hold and get the top QB at 1.02 and stick with Hill. Am I overthinking this?

Wow...tough one...usually I am good with going to the mat to get a top-shelf, young QB like Lawrence in SF...in this case that price maybe too much because you are probably guaranteed to get Young at 1.2 (I am assuming Bijan goes #1.1) and there is a big gap between Kirk and Hill...I would try to get more creative with that second piece instead of Kirk (who I do like but not this much...especially if you have Ridley as well).

I don’t really feel like Kirk is that much of the equation.

For me it’s TLaw for 1.02+Hill

Feels like we know TLaw isn’t a bust. As a Zach Wilson shareholder I feel like that’s worth the price alone.

Potential hindsight kicking oneself if Young or Stroud goes ham, but equal potential of Young or Stroud being well behind TLaw for a couple years.

Kirk is coming off of a year where he went 84-1,108-8 on an ascending offense that has invested big $ in him...not sure how you can say that is not at least part of the equation...now, I am not a fan of Kirk in this deal which is why I would try to get a second piece that does more for me...I don't disagree about going all in on Lawrence and you do have to overpay to get him but if I am offering 1.2 and Hill I am going to definitely talk to the Hurts, Allen, Burrow and Mahomes Owners to see if they have interest....as well as just dealing Hill to see if I can get another quality QB while keeping the 1.2...while you make a great point about the downside of 1.2 the upside is Young ends up close to Lawrence in fantasy and you also lost one of the most dynamic players in Hill...this is a tough one which is why I would try to do something different than Kirk.

Ok, apologies. perhaps I was being hyperbolic. I like Kirk. He’s a nice piece.

But the prize here is TLaw.

Hill is great. He’s also about to turn 29. Kirk is 26 (november) so CFG would get 3+ years younger at WR in this deal as well.

I agree about the downside. Definitely potential for Young to be almost as good, or even as good as TLaw. But it also seems likely that Young will be in a significantly worse situation than TLaw for a couple of rebuilding seasons. And the concerns about his size are valid, while TLaw is the prototypical big/strong/mobile QB who seems to be coming into form. Young (or Stroud) are hardly guaranteed to succeed.

I guess I was trying to say the price CFG would pay for the safety of TLaw here is basically Hill. But you’re right - it’s actually the difference between Hill & Kirk. In that light, I like it even more.

I have the 1.02 and I’d pay this for TLaw if I had Hill & a willing partner. I’ll be going into 2023 with Young and Stroud as my QBs, and neither feels as good as an anchor like TLaw.’