Dynasty Value Discussion Thread (10 Viewers)

[Dr. Octopus]

He was still rehabbing as of mid January IIRC, so it must have been pretty bad. The point stands.

I have a hard time believing that a HAS carries over into the next season. Has that ever been the case?

 

[ghostguy123]

I'm really not sure what to think of Kupps value right now. He was a top 10 dynasty asset a year ago today. Far cry from that I would imagine.

well he's a year older so he's lost dynasty value in that regard, but not much else has changed.

ETA: i guess QB uncertainty has to be included as a factor, I'm thinking Rams are going to improve their backup QB this year though.

I think a lot has changed, or should I say gotten worse, around him.
I'm not seeing any more 25 ppg seasons coming for him, do you?

If Stafford is healthy, what do you see from last year when he averaged 25 a game that is worse?

I think Stafford is worse, and everything will be worse around him.

 

[menobrown]

He was still rehabbing as of mid January IIRC, so it must have been pretty bad. The point stands.

I have a hard time believing that a HAS carries over into the next season. Has that ever been the case?

I know it's not in the same world as recovering from an ACL.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I know it's not in the same world as recovering from an ACL.

It takes some time to heal, but it's not a lingering injury once it does completely, and I've never heard of a case where it takes 15 months to heal completely - it's an strange reason to discount Kupp imo.

 

[menobrown]

I'm really not sure what to think of Kupps value right now. He was a top 10 dynasty asset a year ago today. Far cry from that I would imagine.

well he's a year older so he's lost dynasty value in that regard, but not much else has changed.

ETA: i guess QB uncertainty has to be included as a factor, I'm thinking Rams are going to improve their backup QB this year though.

I think a lot has changed, or should I say gotten worse, around him.
I'm not seeing any more 25 ppg seasons coming for him, do you?

If Stafford is healthy, what do you see from last year when he averaged 25 a game that is worse?

I think Stafford is worse, and everything will be worse around him.

Stafford was banged up and awful last year. Might still be but I don't know that he'll be any worse. I just don't know what everything constitutes. I mean they'll lose Ramsey but does that matter?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Stafford was banged up and awful last year. Might still be but I don't know that he'll be any worse. I just don't know what everything constitutes. I mean they'll lose Ramsey but does that matter?

if anything, that would actually help a WR (in theory).

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

He was still rehabbing as of mid January IIRC, so it must have been pretty bad. The point stands.

I have a hard time believing that a HAS carries over into the next season. Has that ever been the case?

I know it's not in the same world as recovering from an ACL.

It’s not, but he did have surgery, and there was ligament damage.

That said, recovery is much less risky. I’m more worried about the Rams offense & Stafford’s elbow.

The HAS was just another data point.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I know it's not in the same world as recovering from an ACL.

It takes some time to heal, but it's not a lingering injury once it does completely, and I've never heard of a case where it takes 15 months to heal completely - it's an strange reason to discount Kupp imo.

It’s not the only reason. He’s 30 in June, and his QB has a balky elbow. Things I’ve also mentioned.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I think Stafford is worse, and everything will be worse around him.

That’s my fear.

Not only physically, but he’s turned into a pick machine. Likely because the OL took a few steps back last season.

Which is still likely an issue, unless Whitworth is coming out of retirement.

 

[Rookiefever]

I think Stafford is worse, and everything will be worse around him.

That’s my fear.

Not only physically, but he’s turned into a pick machine. Likely because the OL took a few steps back last season.

Which is still likely an issue, unless Whitworth is coming out of retirement.

Tbh Stafford has always been a risky qb throwing the ball. Calvin bailed him out so much in his early days. His tendency to blow leads with bad throws was on full display year after year with Detroit. Even if you just look at the super bowl he probably should’ve had three interceptions that game. However, his elbow doesn’t concern me as much as his back , neck and shoulders. That said… the rams clearly aren’t as good as they were. Which, all combined, theoretically should just lead to more short/intermediate targets for kupp. I see no reason kupp shouldn’t average 20-25 PPG for the next year or two. I guess his value really lays on how good that ankle heals.
10 team league needs studs/workhorses at every position to win. In my position I feel he has more value than the picks.

 

[menobrown]

It's honestly hard to be much worse then Stafford was last year.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

It's honestly hard to be much worse then Stafford was last year.

Like, out of the game while Baker was playing? Yes, that was probably rock bottom.

lol

 

[Gally]

I respect this take.

I just wonder if this is the last season you’ll be able to command a 1st+ for him.

There’s a chance he, at 30, doesn’t recover from his ACL like younger players do.

There’s also a chance that he, at 30, hits the old dude wall like other old dudes do.

Just feels like the Bill Walsh mentality of “better a year too early than a year too late” might be appropriate - especially with JJ on the team.

But I do get going for it one more time, risk be damned. If he does come back 100% and Stafford comes back 100% and the Rams don’t completely suck as some believe they might.

Seems like an awful lot of things have to go right, compared to just dealing him & moving on.

I think this mentality can get you in trouble and get you always "playing for next year". I think dynasty owners have a tendency (not saying you HSG) to always go for picks and shiny new things and give away older, serviceable (or in this case better than serviceable) assets because it's the "best return you will ever get for him". If you are a competitive team then Kupp is going to be much more valuable than a couple picks would be.

I tend to look in 2 yr windows and for the next two years (even with the QB questions), I have Kupp as a top 5-10 WR so I would need much more than 1.07+ to part with him.

 

[menobrown]

It's honestly hard to be much worse then Stafford was last year.

Like, out of the game while Baker was playing? Yes, that was probably rock bottom.

lol

Baker joined the team in late in the season and his #1WR was Van Jefferson or Tutu Atwell. If you gave him a full camp and at least Kupp to throw to I don't think he'd have played worse then Stafford played last year.

It's sure a valid argument that Stafford and Kupp have a next level chemistry so a different QB can alter the equation, even if it's a QB that actually outplays Stafford. But if Stafford is the QB you can all miss me with any suggestion that he's negative to Kupp in anyway or a downgrade from the last season.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I think Stafford is worse, and everything will be worse around him.

That’s my fear.

Not only physically, but he’s turned into a pick machine. Likely because the OL took a few steps back last season.

Which is still likely an issue, unless Whitworth is coming out of retirement.

Tbh Stafford has always been a risky qb throwing the ball. Calvin bailed him out so much in his early days. His tendency to blow leads with bad throws was on full display year after year with Detroit. Even if you just look at the super bowl he probably should’ve had three interceptions that game. However, his elbow doesn’t concern me as much as his back , neck and shoulders. That said… the rams clearly aren’t as good as they were. Which, all combined, theoretically should just lead to more short/intermediate targets for kupp. I see no reason kupp shouldn’t average 20-25 PPG for the next year or two. I guess his value really lays on how good that ankle heals.
10 team league needs studs/workhorses at every position to win. In my position I feel he has more value than the picks.

Hey, no one is forcing you to deal Kupp.

If I had him I'd be looking to move him, primarily because he's going to turn 30 in a few months. But there are a lot of red flags for the Rams.

And you're right - stafford has had issues with picks in the past, but in their SB run (Stafford's 1st year in LAR), they had a great OL, and he had his best season since 2011, with 41 TDs to just 17 Ints (102.9 QBR).

Whitworth made a massive difference for that OL, which struggled mightily to protect Stafford last year. If they don't significantly improve that OL, Stafford's already questionable health (elbow, back, neck, shoulder(s)) might become even more of an issue.

Like I said, I have a hard time seeing Kupp return to greatness with so many issues at QB & OL, and with a WR who's reaching the age when things tend to go south. Of course, Kupp is a freak of nature, so maybe I'm off on this part. But I see it as a choice of selling now for a 1st++, or letting his FF value die on your roster.

And again, if it puts $ in your pocket with a ship, I have no issue with the latter. And hey, ya never know - maybe he comes back, the Rams OL improves, Stafford stays on the field 17 games and has a 100+ QBR - then you get the best of all possibilities & can sell high coming off another 1500+/18 TD season for Kupp. I put this outcome at about 1% (so you're saying there's a chance)

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I respect this take.

I just wonder if this is the last season you’ll be able to command a 1st+ for him.

There’s a chance he, at 30, doesn’t recover from his ACL like younger players do.

There’s also a chance that he, at 30, hits the old dude wall like other old dudes do.

Just feels like the Bill Walsh mentality of “better a year too early than a year too late” might be appropriate - especially with JJ on the team.

But I do get going for it one more time, risk be damned. If he does come back 100% and Stafford comes back 100% and the Rams don’t completely suck as some believe they might.

Seems like an awful lot of things have to go right, compared to just dealing him & moving on.

I think this mentality can get you in trouble and get you always "playing for next year". I think dynasty owners have a tendency (not saying you HSG) to always go for picks and shiny new things and give away older, serviceable (or in this case better than serviceable) assets because it's the "best return you will ever get for him". If you are a competitive team then Kupp is going to be much more valuable than a couple picks would be.

I tend to look in 2 yr windows and for the next two years (even with the QB questions), I have Kupp as a top 5-10 WR so I would need much more than 1.07+ to part with him.

It's true, but it worked well for me with Hopkins, ARob, Carson, and several other 28 (or soon to be 28) year old WRs and RBs.

Granted, Mike Evans was still somewhat productive last year, as was Hopkins when on the field, so maybe I was a year early with both, but I did get max value for them.

I get what you're saying - I just see a 3 in the 1st digit of the age column and feel like it's a good time to move them if someone is still throwing 1st round picks (and more) my way. It's less about going for the shiny object and more about getting out from under an asset that could be headed for a cliff.

Maybe Kupp defies that and plays at a high level for another 2-3 years, sure. It's absolutely possible. Its also possible that soft tissue injuries start to plague him. And again, there are red flags with his QB & OL as well to consider so even if Kupp is 100%, he could have a lesser QB throwing to him behind a shaky OL.

But in general I agree with you - if in a championship window, hold onto Kupp and hope for the best, IF your WR room looks rough without him. But if you're deep at WR, I don't see why one wouldn't get all one could get for Kupp now.

I don't hate keeping him, I just like the idea of dealing him more.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

But if Stafford is the QB you can all miss me with any suggestion that he's negative to Kupp in anyway or a downgrade from the last season.

I'm not arguing this at all. It's the idea of a hampered by injury / poor OL Stafford, or a mid-season replacement that I was expressing concern for.

They have an otherworldly chemistry, so I agree in general.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

he's going to turn 30 in a few months

We’re talking WR here, not RB. Do you really think he’ll drop off much at 32 (that’s three full seasons)? He’s a master route runner that gets by on smarts as much as athleticism. I don’t think the age is as relevant as you keep making it. Obviously you have the right to not want a guy that’s 30, but I think you’re making it too big an issue in this context.

 

[menobrown]

It's the idea of a hampered by injury / poor OL Stafford

It's difficult for me to worry about these things when this is what was in place last year when Kupp was going for 25+.

Stafford getting injured again would be a concern but we are a long way from that coming to fruition.

I'm age averse and totally get looking at a deal to move Kupp but based on how things look right now at pick 7 of a non-SF league you might have a choice between 1 or 2 out of Flowers, Johnston or Charbonnet. That's just not moving the needle on a win now team and for sure not enough if my main reason is Stafford could get hurt. This is just not the deal to make.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Flowers, Johnston or Charbonnet

This really drives home that point. I like all these prospects fine - but can you really justify trading away the most productive WR in the NFL for Flowers and some dart throw at 2.10? That’s fantasy malpractice.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Flowers, Johnston or Charbonnet

This really drives home that point. I like all these prospects fine - but can you really justify trading away the most productive WR in the NFL for Flowers and some dart throw at 2.10? That’s fantasy malpractice.

To be fair, I was advocating trying to improve the 2.10 to something closer to a 1st in value. I agree that 1.07 & 2.10 isn’t the best value. What if it’s 1.07 & 2.02?

And all that said, you’re also talking about (for example) a rookie Charbonet who, by FF draft time, could be a feature back for an NFL team. So age / longevity should probably factor into the equation. You aren’t just dealing a player for a player, you’re dealing a 30 y/o for a 21 or 22 y/o. I don’t see that as fantasy malpractice at all if the deal is right.

What if QJ is the WR2 for Dallas? What if Flowers goes to KC?

I’m just sayin - it’s March. There are a lot of unknowns that will affect the value of that 1.07 pick, and the specific players involved.

 

[Gally]

he's going to turn 30 in a few months

We’re talking WR here, not RB. Do you really think he’ll drop off much at 32 (that’s three full seasons)? He’s a master route runner that gets by on smarts as much as athleticism. I don’t think the age is as relevant as you keep making it. Obviously you have the right to not want a guy that’s 30, but I think you’re making it too big an issue in this context.

Totally agree here. Age is but a number and it differs for all different kinds of players. There aren't too many other WR's I would rather have over the next 2 years than Kupp.

I still have an issue with the statement of "it's the best return you will ever get so move him now". That can be said for Bijan right now too. So do you move him now because it's the best return you will ever get?

Assets will diminish in value over time. But this game is about winning and Kupp will help you do that. Those draft picks likely won't for the next 2-3 years (if they ever do).

 

[Dr. Octopus]

What if it’s 1.07 & 2.02?

Still not close

 

[Dr. Octopus]

What if QJ is the WR2 for Dallas? What if Flowers goes to KC?

What if Flowers goes to KC and is the next Mecole Hardman or Sky Moore?

We’re not talking about trading away a washed up veteran. Kupp has lapped the field the last two seasons.

 

[Gally]

To be fair, I was advocating trying to improve the 2.10 to something closer to a 1st in value. I agree that 1.07 & 2.10 isn’t the best value. What if it’s 1.07 & 2.02?

And all that said, you’re also talking about (for example) a rookie Charbonet who, by FF draft time, could be a feature back for an NFL team. So age / longevity should probably factor into the equation. You aren’t just dealing a player for a player, you’re dealing a 30 y/o for a 21 or 22 y/o. I don’t see that as fantasy malpractice at all if the deal is right.

What if QJ is the WR2 for Dallas? What if Flowers goes to KC?

I’m just sayin - it’s March. There are a lot of unknowns that will affect the value of that 1.07 pick, and the specific players involved.

Even if the bold happens it doesn't mean those guys will be serviceable assets. You think they should but nobody knows. Picks flame out all the time. You know what you have in Kupp. It's why I don't value picks as much as most dynasty guys do (and this time I am talking about HSG...hahahah). PIcks are crap shoots. I would much rather get an NFL player that has shown they can do it in the NFL over a pick any day. Now that doesn't mean I just give away picks all willy-nilly. But I have no problem letting them go for players that have shown they can play in the NFL.

 

[menobrown]

What if it’s 1.07 & 2.02?

Still not close

Agree. If I'm in win now mode I'm not trying to take potentially my best player and turn him into pieces, none of which feel remotely like locks. Honestly I'd not do in a rebuild either. Not now, if we are talking a pic in that range I need to be OTC and liking something.

What if Flowers goes to KC

And in league that is not TE premium or SF I'd have him ranked 5 or 6 today. You might not even get to sniff him.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Honestly I'd not do in a rebuild either.

Agree. I’d want a top 4 this year and a 2024 first, at least - and I’m sure that’s out there.

 

[JohnnyU]

What if it’s 1.07 & 2.02?

Still not close

Agree. If I'm in win now mode I'm not trying to take potentially my best player and turn him into pieces, none of which feel remotely like locks. Honestly I'd not do in a rebuild either. Not now, if we are talking a pic in that range I need to be OTC and liking something.

What if Flowers goes to KC

And in league that is not TE premium or SF I'd have him ranked 5 or 6 today. You might not even get to sniff him.

One would think after the CEH and Skyy Moore hype, just because a player goes to KC doesn't necessarily mean success. I know the jury is still out on Moore.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

What if it’s 1.07 & 2.02?

Still not close

Agree. If I'm in win now mode I'm not trying to take potentially my best player and turn him into pieces, none of which feel remotely like locks. Honestly I'd not do in a rebuild either. Not now, if we are talking a pic in that range I need to be OTC and liking something.

What if Flowers goes to KC

And in league that is not TE premium or SF I'd have him ranked 5 or 6 today. You might not even get to sniff him.

One would think after the CEH and Skyy Moore hype, just because a player goes to KC doesn't necessarily mean success. I know the jury is still out on Moore.

And Mecole Hardman that went as high as 1.07 in some leagues

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

All fair points by @Dr. Octopus @menobrown & @Gally

Time will tell if Kupp actually does retain his value or drop over the next year or 2.

You’re probably right - I’m in the minority here. I don’t like seeing players depreciate significantly on my roster.

Obviously there’s no guarantee that happens - he could well appreciate in value if he has the season y’all are confident he’ll have.

Interesting value discussion though.

 

[menobrown]

What if it’s 1.07 & 2.02?

Still not close

Agree. If I'm in win now mode I'm not trying to take potentially my best player and turn him into pieces, none of which feel remotely like locks. Honestly I'd not do in a rebuild either. Not now, if we are talking a pic in that range I need to be OTC and liking something.

What if Flowers goes to KC

And in league that is not TE premium or SF I'd have him ranked 5 or 6 today. You might not even get to sniff him.

One would think after the CEH and Skyy Moore hype, just because a player goes to KC doesn't necessarily mean success. I know the jury is still out on Moore.

I agree, I was just pointing out that I got Flowers ranked in a spot before the draft that you can't even draft him at 7. I expect this to change with some RB's moving up but he still might not be an option at 7.

But if he is or is not to Dr. Octopus point, I can't imagine a win now team giving up Kupp for Flowers and a side piece.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Obviously there’s no guarantee that happens - he could well appreciate in value if he has the season y’all are confident he’ll have

I don’t think anyone is making claims that he’ll get gain value or predicting monsterous seasons. Actually @menobrown was showing how he could put up 80% of what he’s done the last two seasons and still finish Top 3.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Obviously there’s no guarantee that happens - he could well appreciate in value if he has the season y’all are confident he’ll have

I don’t think anyone is making claims that he’ll get gain value or predicting monsterous seasons. Actually @menobrown was showing how he could put up 80% of what he’s done the last two seasons and still finish Top 3.

I see top three as a monsterous season.

 

[Da Franchise]

Even if I’m rebuilding there’s no chance I’m dealing him for 1.07 and 2.whatever. If I can’t get a top 3 maybe 4 pick plus or some kind of late 1st or multi early 2nds package the includes a future 1st that doesn’t look like a slam dunk late pick, I’m waiting until August or during the season to get a better return.

If I’m a contender and someone will sell him to me for any kind of pick package that doesn’t include anything that looks like a top 4 pick this year or next I’m doing it in a heartbeat.

 

[menobrown]

Obviously there’s no guarantee that happens - he could well appreciate in value if he has the season y’all are confident he’ll have

I don’t think anyone is making claims that he’ll get gain value or predicting monsterous seasons. Actually @menobrown was showing how he could put up 80% of what he’s done the last two seasons and still finish Top 3.

And for the record I have him ranked as my #3WR and a top 5 overall player. And the only reason he's not 1.1 is I'm taking the issues into account.

ETA-those are redraft rankings, just saying what my expectation for him next year is right now.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Obviously there’s no guarantee that happens - he could well appreciate in value if he has the season y’all are confident he’ll have

I don’t think anyone is making claims that he’ll get gain value or predicting monsterous seasons. Actually @menobrown was showing how he could put up 80% of what he’s done the last two seasons and still finish Top 3.

I see top three as a monsterous season.

The point is even with predicting a big drop off, he’ll still very productive.

 

[massraider]

And Mecole Hardman that went as high as 1.07 in some leagues

ZOMG CAN YOU IMAGIN HIM IN THAT OFFENZZZE

 

[Rookiefever]

It's the idea of a hampered by injury / poor OL Stafford

It's difficult for me to worry about these things when this is what was in place last year when Kupp was going for 25+.

Stafford getting injured again would be a concern but we are a long way from that coming to fruition.

I'm age averse and totally get looking at a deal to move Kupp but based on how things look right now at pick 7 of a non-SF league you might have a choice between 1 or 2 out of Flowers, Johnston or Charbonnet. That's just not moving the needle on a win now team and for sure not enough if my main reason is Stafford could get hurt. This is just not the deal to make.

Johnston may be there. Charbonnet will be long gone.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

ETA-those are redraft rankings, just saying what my expectation for him next year is right now.

An important distinction since we’re discussing dynasty value.

 

[menobrown]

It's the idea of a hampered by injury / poor OL Stafford

It's difficult for me to worry about these things when this is what was in place last year when Kupp was going for 25+.

Stafford getting injured again would be a concern but we are a long way from that coming to fruition.

I'm age averse and totally get looking at a deal to move Kupp but based on how things look right now at pick 7 of a non-SF league you might have a choice between 1 or 2 out of Flowers, Johnston or Charbonnet. That's just not moving the needle on a win now team and for sure not enough if my main reason is Stafford could get hurt. This is just not the deal to make.

Johnston may be there. Charbonnet will be long gone.

I'm not as sure. I don't have him on any kind of pedestal that I think he can survive RB's who land better.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

ETA-those are redraft rankings, just saying what my expectation for him next year is right now.

An important distinction since we’re discussing dynasty value.

But next year counts even in dynasty leagues - so if he ends up WR3 in redraft that’s still a consideratIon in the context of this dynasty trade.

Say he “drops” to WR3 overall in 2023;
Drops to WR8 overall in 2024; and
Drops to WR14 in 2025.

To me that’s easily worth the risk/reward of the 1.07.

Obviously we’re just discussing/projecting and it’s possible Kupp drops faster and harder then that - but I’m sure not comfortable predictIng that.

 

[menobrown]

ETA-those are redraft rankings, just saying what my expectation for him next year is right now.

An important distinction since we’re discussing dynasty value.

And no season is more important to his dynasty value then the next one.

 

[Rookiefever]

It's the idea of a hampered by injury / poor OL Stafford

It's difficult for me to worry about these things when this is what was in place last year when Kupp was going for 25+.

Stafford getting injured again would be a concern but we are a long way from that coming to fruition.

I'm age averse and totally get looking at a deal to move Kupp but based on how things look right now at pick 7 of a non-SF league you might have a choice between 1 or 2 out of Flowers, Johnston or Charbonnet. That's just not moving the needle on a win now team and for sure not enough if my main reason is Stafford could get hurt. This is just not the deal to make.

Johnston may be there. Charbonnet will be long gone.

I'm not as sure. I don't have him on any kind of pedestal that I think he can survive RB's who land better.

It’s more due to the league. 6-7 rbs will go in the first round.

 

[menobrown]

It's the idea of a hampered by injury / poor OL Stafford

It's difficult for me to worry about these things when this is what was in place last year when Kupp was going for 25+.

Stafford getting injured again would be a concern but we are a long way from that coming to fruition.

I'm age averse and totally get looking at a deal to move Kupp but based on how things look right now at pick 7 of a non-SF league you might have a choice between 1 or 2 out of Flowers, Johnston or Charbonnet. That's just not moving the needle on a win now team and for sure not enough if my main reason is Stafford could get hurt. This is just not the deal to make.

Johnston may be there. Charbonnet will be long gone.

I'm not as sure. I don't have him on any kind of pedestal that I think he can survive RB's who land better.

It’s more due to the league. 6-7 rbs will go in the first round.

Ok, I was thinking more along the lines of specifically him being available as an option at pick 7. That I think is possible.

 

[-OZ-]

Just received an offer of 1.7 and 2.10 for kupp in a 10 team dyno. Feels like a fair offer but I’m definitely in win now mode which makes me hesitant. The offer was revoked which is typically how this team goes about things if the offer stands too long and it took me a long while to get back to him. What’s the thoughts on this? I have Jefferson , Godwin and mclaurin as well. Start 2-3

I’d jump on that. Maybe counter and see if you can pry a little better value out of the 2nd, but Kupp isn’t getting any younger.

TIL Kupp is 30 this summer. My impulse was to say no to that offer if you’re in win now, but if you’re hedging it probably is fair. The rams seem like a team in flux this off season.
Probably not, but is there any way Kupp gets traded? There’d be multiple suitors who could use one of the elite receivers.

 

[-OZ-]

Just received an offer of 1.7 and 2.10 for kupp in a 10 team dyno. Feels like a fair offer but I’m definitely in win now mode which makes me hesitant. The offer was revoked which is typically how this team goes about things if the offer stands too long and it took me a long while to get back to him. What’s the thoughts on this? I have Jefferson , Godwin and mclaurin as well. Start 2-3

I understand your hesitancy on this one. I’m in a win now mode in a 1QB dynasty league and have Kupp. It’s hard to let him go simply because of the numbers he’s put up in the last two years. If he’s on the field, he’s a massive contributor to helping your dynasty team win on a week to week basis. I also have Jefferson/Amari Cooper/Gabe Davis/Chark/Hodgins and a bunch of other good depth. It’s been a killer combo putting Jefferson and Kupp together as your WR1 and 2 last season and one before.

Yes there are logical reasons to sell but he’s just been so ******** good before the injury

He’s worth considerably more than the 1.07 imo. He’s 29, but for his style of play, he can still have 3 more stud seasons with 2 more WR2/3 seasons after that.

People seem to be missing just how dominant he’s been - I just don’t see any player at 1.07 being close. Let’s put some names to that 1.07 and then compare him to what has been the most valuable WR in the league the last 3 seasons.

Completely agree with this. I would not sell Kupp for 1.07 (Don't own him anywhere) and I would 100% pay 1.07 and 2.10 for him. I offered more earlier this offseason and was declined with no counter.

Do you guys feel Ridley or Jameson Williams added to that offer would be enough to move him? I’m at best looking at rb4 wr2 at seven. Most likely would end up being my choice between rb5 and wr3 available at seven. I also agree 100% with at the notion kupp will be a top wr for at least two more years. And serviceable some time after.

I’d give my Kupp for Jameson and the 7 easily.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Just received an offer of 1.7 and 2.10 for kupp in a 10 team dyno. Feels like a fair offer but I’m definitely in win now mode which makes me hesitant. The offer was revoked which is typically how this team goes about things if the offer stands too long and it took me a long while to get back to him. What’s the thoughts on this? I have Jefferson , Godwin and mclaurin as well. Start 2-3

I understand your hesitancy on this one. I’m in a win now mode in a 1QB dynasty league and have Kupp. It’s hard to let him go simply because of the numbers he’s put up in the last two years. If he’s on the field, he’s a massive contributor to helping your dynasty team win on a week to week basis. I also have Jefferson/Amari Cooper/Gabe Davis/Chark/Hodgins and a bunch of other good depth. It’s been a killer combo putting Jefferson and Kupp together as your WR1 and 2 last season and one before.

Yes there are logical reasons to sell but he’s just been so ******** good before the injury

He’s worth considerably more than the 1.07 imo. He’s 29, but for his style of play, he can still have 3 more stud seasons with 2 more WR2/3 seasons after that.

People seem to be missing just how dominant he’s been - I just don’t see any player at 1.07 being close. Let’s put some names to that 1.07 and then compare him to what has been the most valuable WR in the league the last 3 seasons.

Completely agree with this. I would not sell Kupp for 1.07 (Don't own him anywhere) and I would 100% pay 1.07 and 2.10 for him. I offered more earlier this offseason and was declined with no counter.

Do you guys feel Ridley or Jameson Williams added to that offer would be enough to move him? I’m at best looking at rb4 wr2 at seven. Most likely would end up being my choice between rb5 and wr3 available at seven. I also agree 100% with at the notion kupp will be a top wr for at least two more years. And serviceable some time after.

I’d give my Kupp for Jameson and the 7 easily.

Yes - Jameson went as high as 1.04 last season.
1.04/1.5 and 1.07 is surely in the ballpark for Kupp at the very least.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

And no season is more important to his dynasty value then the next one

Another fair point, and one I’ve made. There’s certainly a gamble that he comes back gangbusters & Stafford is A-OK, and he is worth even more in a mid-season trade or even after the season at 30, about to turn 31.

Not sure where I put the odds of that happening, but it’s certainly possible.

Some might even believe it’s likely. It sounds like you’re in that camp.

I believe it’s fair to plan for a range of outcomes.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Obviously we’re just discussing/projecting and it’s possible Kupp drops faster and harder then that - but I’m sure not comfortable predictIng that.

Based on the surrounding circumstances, I’m more comfortable predicting that than I am a top 3 WR/top 5 overall finish.

I would be fairly comfortable predicting a top 15 finish.

I believe there are a wide range of outcomes possible. As you said, we are all just projecting. I guess if I’m selling on Cooper Kupp I’m going to be projecting a top three finish, whereas if I’m buying on Cooper Kupp I will probably be projecting a top 20 finish.

 

[joey]

I’m only in 3 FFPC-style dynasty leagues (keep only 14 skill players) and I totally weigh in redraft rankings in all of my assessments of player value. I want to Win Now whenever possible and we keep so few players from year to year, and have so little room for more than just a few prospects on these kind of rosters, that if you plan on competing this year, I think it makes sense to almost “evenly mix” redraft and dynasty rankings together in this kind of league format.