Dynasty Value Discussion Thread (7 Viewers)

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Value check on Bateman in 16-team PPR

2023 2nd/2024 1st?

Hurting for WR depth & I have a 2024 1st to spend that I expect to be in the 9-16 range.

Coming off Lisfranc, which doesn’t scare me as much as it used to. And he could get traded since he just slammed the GM on social media.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

And he could get traded since he just slammed the GM on social media.

He quickly took that tweet down - and it was in response to the GM's statement about the Baltimore WRs. I don't think the Ravens can afford to trade away their top WR, when it's already a weakness.

I'd pay a random 2024 first for him - unless it was obvious it would be an early pick.

 

[IHEARTFF]

Value check on Bateman in 16-team PPR

2023 2nd/2024 1st?

Hurting for WR depth & I have a 2024 1st to spend that I expect to be in the 9-16 range.

Coming off Lisfranc, which doesn’t scare me as much as it used to. And he could get traded since he just slammed the GM on social media.

seems like a late 24 1 buy by a good team

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

a guy like Charbonnet

I don’t expect Chabonet to last until the 4th round.

I agree. I think CHI will need to take him at the top of the 3rd if they want him.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I'd pay a random 2024 first for him - unless it was obvious it would be an early pick.

I was the 8th highest scoring team with 1/8 of my team on the IR last year (Hall, Mooney, 6 starting IDP-ers) so I’d expect to be better this year after adding Bijan 1.01 and potentially Bateman.

Anything can happen, but the pick would likely be no better than 9

Appreciate the response

seems like a late 24 1 buy by a good team

thanks. I think imma accept.

I don’t love Ravens pass catchers but maybe that improves without Roman.

 

[candian fantasy guy]

I feel like this topic should have its own thread - trading for QB’s or high draft picks in 12 team SF leagues. The guys that play in 14+ SF …. Ouch!

I have purchased an orphan in such a league. It’s on FFPC 250$ buy-in with a substantial rebated price for this year.

It’s a decent team at RB with N Harris, Pierce, Allgeier, Mitchell and Robinson.

strong at WR with Metcalf, A St-Brown, C Watson, Burks, Metchie and Juju

Manageable TE with Ertz, Woods and Everett.

My issue obviously is QB. M White, Darnault, Z Wilson and D Mills isn’t exactly an exciting group heading into 2023. I do own the 2nd pick, where I obviously will draft a QB.

I have tried to trade for guys like Love and Tannehill with no success. The Love owner only wants to trade Ridder. I offered Metcalf straight up for Love, no go. I felt like that was a fair offer.

Offered Metcalf and the 1.02 for Fields, no go. Again, I feel like it’s more than a fair offer.

Offered Metcalf for the 1.03. His counter was Harris, Metcalf and my 2.02 for his 1.03 and Ayuik(which I don’t want or need). I mean wow! It’s when I realized that I might be undervaluing QB’s and how insane it will cost me in this league.

Is this a normal feeling in other SF leagues?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Is this a normal feeling in other SF leagues?

normal

I tried for Love & came up empty. Ended up paying a 2nd and a 3rd for Mayfield.

16 team SF, but still.

I’ve tried dealing for a QB in a 12-team and it’s just as difficult. It’s why I am drafting 2 early this year.

I have fields in the 16 team league and I wouldn’t give him up for that either.

DKM might be an overpay for Love when all’s said ajd done. Sample size is just too small, and his consistency / accuracy worries me a little. I was willing to invest in him, but didn’t want to radically overpay.

You might end up glad that one was declined.

 

[foxco]

Offered Metcalf and the 1.02 for Fields, no go. Again, I feel like it’s more than a fair offer.

Is this a normal feeling in other SF leagues?

That's a solid offer and I would take that in SF as I'd go QB with the 1.02.
SF is usually (very) hard to trade for QBs, though sometimes you can nab an older guy for cheaper. Maybe focus on someone a bit iffy, like a Stafford, who should be cheaper as he comes with risk. Or see if there's someone who is loaded at QB but really weak at WR and maybe you can package something together.

In one SF last year I traded Pollard, Singletary and Kyle Trask for T Lawrence to a team that was real thin at RB but had a few QBs. He won the league so I think he's happy, and I'm psyched to have a young QB to build around.

 

[JohnnyU]

I feel like this topic should have its own thread - trading for QB’s or high draft picks in 12 team SF leagues. The guys that play in 14+ SF …. Ouch!

I have purchased an orphan in such a league. It’s on FFPC 250$ buy-in with a substantial rebated price for this year.

It’s a decent team at RB with N Harris, Pierce, Allgeier, Mitchell and Robinson.

strong at WR with Metcalf, A St-Brown, C Watson, Burks, Metchie and Juju

Manageable TE with Ertz, Woods and Everett.

My issue obviously is QB. M White, Darnault, Z Wilson and D Mills isn’t exactly an exciting group heading into 2023. I do own the 2nd pick, where I obviously will draft a QB.

I have tried to trade for guys like Love and Tannehill with no success. The Love owner only wants to trade Ridder. I offered Metcalf straight up for Love, no go. I felt like that was a fair offer.

Offered Metcalf and the 1.02 for Fields, no go. Again, I feel like it’s more than a fair offer.

Offered Metcalf for the 1.03. His counter was Harris, Metcalf and my 2.02 for his 1.03 and Ayuik(which I don’t want or need). I mean wow! It’s when I realized that I might be undervaluing QB’s and how insane it will cost me in this league.

Is this a normal feeling in other SF leagues?

I wouldn’t offer the 1.02 and Metcalf for Fields. Count your lucky stars he refused.

 

[candian fantasy guy]

I feel like this topic should have its own thread - trading for QB’s or high draft picks in 12 team SF leagues. The guys that play in 14+ SF …. Ouch!

I have purchased an orphan in such a league. It’s on FFPC 250$ buy-in with a substantial rebated price for this year.

It’s a decent team at RB with N Harris, Pierce, Allgeier, Mitchell and Robinson.

strong at WR with Metcalf, A St-Brown, C Watson, Burks, Metchie and Juju

Manageable TE with Ertz, Woods and Everett.

My issue obviously is QB. M White, Darnault, Z Wilson and D Mills isn’t exactly an exciting group heading into 2023. I do own the 2nd pick, where I obviously will draft a QB.

I have tried to trade for guys like Love and Tannehill with no success. The Love owner only wants to trade Ridder. I offered Metcalf straight up for Love, no go. I felt like that was a fair offer.

Offered Metcalf and the 1.02 for Fields, no go. Again, I feel like it’s more than a fair offer.

Offered Metcalf for the 1.03. His counter was Harris, Metcalf and my 2.02 for his 1.03 and Ayuik(which I don’t want or need). I mean wow! It’s when I realized that I might be undervaluing QB’s and how insane it will cost me in this league.

Is this a normal feeling in other SF leagues?

I wouldn’t offer the 1.02 and Metcalf for Fields. Count your lucky stars he refused.

You say that and others say MORE!! This particular league is tight on QB movements.

 

[zaner75]

I feel like this topic should have its own thread - trading for QB’s or high draft picks in 12 team SF leagues. The guys that play in 14+ SF …. Ouch!

I have purchased an orphan in such a league. It’s on FFPC 250$ buy-in with a substantial rebated price for this year.

It’s a decent team at RB with N Harris, Pierce, Allgeier, Mitchell and Robinson.

strong at WR with Metcalf, A St-Brown, C Watson, Burks, Metchie and Juju

Manageable TE with Ertz, Woods and Everett.

My issue obviously is QB. M White, Darnault, Z Wilson and D Mills isn’t exactly an exciting group heading into 2023. I do own the 2nd pick, where I obviously will draft a QB.

I have tried to trade for guys like Love and Tannehill with no success. The Love owner only wants to trade Ridder. I offered Metcalf straight up for Love, no go. I felt like that was a fair offer.

Offered Metcalf and the 1.02 for Fields, no go. Again, I feel like it’s more than a fair offer.

Offered Metcalf for the 1.03. His counter was Harris, Metcalf and my 2.02 for his 1.03 and Ayuik(which I don’t want or need). I mean wow! It’s when I realized that I might be undervaluing QB’s and how insane it will cost me in this league.

Is this a normal feeling in other SF leagues?

I typically am against trading a QB for a WR, however Metcalf for Love I would consider depending on my roster.
The Fields and 1.03 offer are not bad offers but not ones I would realistically consider. The counter is a little over the top but what I would expect from people trying to fleece the new guy.
In a high stakes league, I don’t fault them for not bailing you out. One less team to compete with.

 

[JohnnyU]

I feel like this topic should have its own thread - trading for QB’s or high draft picks in 12 team SF leagues. The guys that play in 14+ SF …. Ouch!

I have purchased an orphan in such a league. It’s on FFPC 250$ buy-in with a substantial rebated price for this year.

It’s a decent team at RB with N Harris, Pierce, Allgeier, Mitchell and Robinson.

strong at WR with Metcalf, A St-Brown, C Watson, Burks, Metchie and Juju

Manageable TE with Ertz, Woods and Everett.

My issue obviously is QB. M White, Darnault, Z Wilson and D Mills isn’t exactly an exciting group heading into 2023. I do own the 2nd pick, where I obviously will draft a QB.

I have tried to trade for guys like Love and Tannehill with no success. The Love owner only wants to trade Ridder. I offered Metcalf straight up for Love, no go. I felt like that was a fair offer.

Offered Metcalf and the 1.02 for Fields, no go. Again, I feel like it’s more than a fair offer.

Offered Metcalf for the 1.03. His counter was Harris, Metcalf and my 2.02 for his 1.03 and Ayuik(which I don’t want or need). I mean wow! It’s when I realized that I might be undervaluing QB’s and how insane it will cost me in this league.

Is this a normal feeling in other SF leagues?

I wouldn’t offer the 1.02 and Metcalf for Fields. Count your lucky stars he refused.

You say that and others say MORE!! This particular league is tight on QB movements.

I would just draft one of Stroud or Young and keep Metcalf. It's not like Fields is a great passer. Yes, he has legs, but that's all I see. Either Stroud or Young can easily surpass the value of Fields and you keep Metcalf.

 

[TartanLion]

Value check on Kyle Pitts 1QB 12 team league ???

Just been put on the block, thinking of offering 1.10 and see what happens. Falcons QB situation and offensive scheme worry me though

 

[Wigglytuff's Gruff]

Value check on Kyle Pitts 1QB 12 team league ???

Just been put on the block, thinking of offering 1.10 and see what happens. Falcons QB situation and offensive scheme worry me though

Seriously doubt 1.10 is getting it done.

 

[JohnnyU]

Value check on Kyle Pitts 1QB 12 team league ???

Just been put on the block, thinking of offering 1.10 and see what happens. Falcons QB situation and offensive scheme worry me though

Seriously doubt 1.10 is getting it done.

triple that.

 

[grateful zed]

What do I offer for Rashad penny?

 

[smbkrypt24]

What do I offer for Rashad penny?

Late 2nd or early 3.
I scooped him off the waiver and would snap accept a 2 and would hesitate on a 3rd and ultimately probably hold for that price.

 

[foxco]

What do I offer for Rashad penny?

Josh Gordon?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Good time to buy low on LJax in SF?

With 1, 2, 3, 4, 8, 10, on a full rebuild I’m considering offering up 1.04 + 1.10 to see if that gets it done. Maybe kicking in Pacheco if it doesn’t.

1.08 + 1.10 + Pacheco a lowball? Maybe I’ll start there.

Worth a shot? Any legitimate fears of LJax not playing in 2023, or falling off the map value-wise?

With so much chaos around him, I’m thinking shareholders might be getting spooked.

 

[Birdie048]

Good time to buy low on LJax in SF?

With 1, 2, 3, 4, 8, 10, on a full rebuild I’m considering offering up 1.04 + 1.10 to see if that gets it done. Maybe kicking in Pacheco if it doesn’t.

1.08 + 1.10 + Pacheco a lowball? Maybe I’ll start there.

Worth a shot? Any legitimate fears of LJax not playing in 2023, or falling off the map value-wise?

With so much chaos around him, I’m thinking shareholders might be getting spooked.

No involved in SF so my perspective is not in that realm ...

MY 2 --> If the owner has an alternative to QB2 option, and are nervous LJax might sit out 2023, I think the 1.04 + 1.10 is still a lowball offer. Pacheco would have to be part of the equation to get their attention. It still might need more "bait"

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

MY 2 --> If the owner has an alternative to QB2 option, and are nervous LJax might sit out 2023, I think the 1.04 + 1.10 is still a lowball offer. Pacheco would have to be part of the equation to get their attention. It still might need more "bait"

Yeah, I think 2 firsts + Pacheco is a more fair offer - probably 1.04 + 1.10 + Pacheco. They do have 2 other QB, Fields & Carr.

I could also make the offer with the promise that I’d only take 1 QB with my top remaining 3 picks, statement that i am only taking 1 QB, which might help.


I’m more worried about whether LJax is worth it…that’s the challenge of buying low on uncertainty - i am also uncertain. lol

 

[Wigglytuff's Gruff]

I could also make the offer with the promise that I’d only take 1 QB with my top remaining 3 picks, which might help.

Wouldn't that qualify as collusion in your book?

 

[joey]

I could also make the offer with the promise that I’d only take 1 QB with my top remaining 3 picks, which might help.

Wouldn't that qualify as collusion in your book?

Yeah, that’s a little odd.

how about you offer him your 1.3 pick Instead of 1.4?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Wouldn't that qualify as collusion in your book?

I would not go that far, but it's certainly bad precedent. I'm not saying this would happen here, but what if some one less scrupulous than HSG makes that promise and then does take a QB on draft day?

 

[smbkrypt24]

Wouldn't that qualify as collusion in your book?

I would not go that far, but it's certainly bad precedent. I'm not saying this would happen here, but what if some one less scrupulous than HSG makes that promise and then does take a QB on draft day?

I think sharing your current draft board is okay if you are willing to give up that information, but making promises is too much for me. What if between now and the rookie draft your board changes. I would hope that promise is still good, but this is just a bad precedent.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I could also make the offer with the promise that I’d only take 1 QB with my top remaining 3 picks, which might help.

Wouldn't that qualify as collusion in your book?

It would not. Not remotely. I’d just be telling another owner who I’m picking.

I am not making my picks a condition of a deal.

ETA: I’ve edited my original post on this. I’d simply be informing them of my intention to take only 1 QB. It would not be a condition of the trade, nor would I mention player names.

If asked I’d be find telling them I’m taking only Stroud of the 3 likely 1st round QBs.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

It would not. Not remotely. I’d just be telling another owner who I’m picking.

I am not making my picks a condition of a deal.

But a "promise to do something" (or not do something) is considered "consideration" in a contract. So your promise is part of the deal.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Wouldn't that qualify as collusion in your book?

I would not go that far, but it's certainly bad precedent. I'm not saying this would happen here, but what if some one less scrupulous than HSG makes that promise and then does take a QB on draft day?

Then don’t make deals with unscrupulous people?

Sure, I could be lying. Not sure what the long-term benefit of that would be in a dynasty league though.

I see no ethical issue with telling anyone who I’m taking with picks 1, 2, 3 if I’m dealing pick #4.

I’m not colluding with them, I’m dealing them a pick and happen to have the 3 picks preceding it. Them knowing the range of players on the board does nothing to help me. Not like they said, “I’ll give you $100 outside of league finances to tell me who those first 3 picks are” as a condition of the deal.

It’s an extremely rare situation to have the top 4 picks, so I’m not sure what precedent is set by it.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

It would not. Not remotely. I’d just be telling another owner who I’m picking.

I am not making my picks a condition of a deal.

But a "promise to do something" (or not do something) is considered "consideration" in a contract. So your promise is part of the deal.

Ok, poor phrasing. In that caseI won’t promise anything. I’ll just tell them who I’m taking 1-2-3

There. No issue.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Wouldn't that qualify as collusion in your book?

I would not go that far, but it's certainly bad precedent. I'm not saying this would happen here, but what if some one less scrupulous than HSG makes that promise and then does take a QB on draft day?

I think sharing your current draft board is okay if you are willing to give up that information, but making promises is too much for me. What if between now and the rookie draft your board changes. I would hope that promise is still good, but this is just a bad precedent.

Fair enough. The term “promise” was poor form.

If I deal for a QB, I won’t need to take 2 in those 1st 3 picks.

Making that known doesn’t seem unethical to me.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

It would not. Not remotely. I’d just be telling another owner who I’m picking.

I am not making my picks a condition of a deal.

But a "promise to do something" (or not do something) is considered "consideration" in a contract. So your promise is part of the deal.

Ok, poor phrasing. In that caseI won’t promise anything. I’ll just tell them who I’m taking 1-2-3

There. No issue.

Sure, but you specifically said it would be a promise to not pick a QB though. So I was responding to that. Obviously if you did not make that promise, it would then be the same as any other deal - so not collusion.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

ure, but you specifically said it would be a promise to not pick a QB though. So I was responding to that. Obviously if you did not make that promise, it would then be the same as any other deal - so not collusion.

Perfect. Glad we got that settled then. I will not promise anything, Again, poor phrasing - my bad.

Back to the value discussion, if you were in full rebuild, needing 2 QBs, would you try to buy low on LJax?

(If anyone wants to discuss the ethics of revealing draft picks further, please start a new topic and have at it.)

 

[Dr. Octopus]

It’s an extremely rare situation to have the top 4 picks, so I’m not sure what precedent is set by it.

The precedent had nothing to do with having the first four picks (fact patterns don't have to be identical to be precedent) - it was specially about you promising not to take a player/position.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

It’s an extremely rare situation to have the top 4 picks, so I’m not sure what precedent is set by it.

The precedent had nothing to do with having the first four picks (fact patterns don't have to be identical to be precedent) - it was specially about you promising not to take a player/position.

Again, fair. I’m saying without an explicit promise involved that I don’t see an issue.

I agree a promise is poor form and said as much.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Back to the value discussion, if you were in full rebuild, needing 2 QBs, would you try to buy low on LJax?

No promises will be made.

Anyone have any thoughts on the value proposition of dealing for LJax?

Maybe we can get this back on topic.

 

[Birdie048]

MY 2 --> If the owner has an alternative to QB2 option, and are nervous LJax might sit out 2023, I think the 1.04 + 1.10 is still a lowball offer. Pacheco would have to be part of the equation to get their attention. It still might need more "bait"

Yeah, I think 2 firsts + Pacheco is a more fair offer - probably 1.04 + 1.10 + Pacheco. They do have 2 other QB, Fields & Carr.

I could also make the offer with the promise that I’d only take 1 QB with my top remaining 3 picks, which might help.


I’m more worried about whether LJax is worth it…that’s the challenge of buying low on uncertainty - i am also uncertain. lol

Conditions on a trade are not ethical, if not prohibited by most league rules.

I like the idea of 1.03 & 2.01 for LJax as a better offer.... That still leave QB or Bijan as 1.04 for you.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Conditions on a trade are not ethical, if not prohibited by most league rules.

Yes, “promise” was poor phrasing. I’ve covered this multiple times now, thanks everyone. I would simply tell them I’m only taking 1 QB with those 1st 3 picks. It would not be conditional.

I checked our rules and there’s nothing about that in either scenario regardless, but I am an ethical person so I would not be making promises as conditions of a trade. Again - poor phrasing. I only meant letting them know they’d have a QB at 1.04. I wouldn’t even name players.

I like the idea of 1.03 & 2.01 for LJax as a better offer.... That still leave QB or Bijan as 1.04 for you.

Except I no longer have 2.01 - I traded it for Bateman recently.

If I deal 1.04 + 1.10 + Pacheco for a QB, I can theoretically take Bijan, Stroud, JSN, then BPA at 1.08 (Charbonet, WR-X)

If I deal 1.03 I can’t do that. It would be far better to deal 1.04 if I can get it done.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

how about you offer him your 1.3 pick Instead of 1.4?

See post above this. I have no interest in offering 1.03

 

[Birdie048]

If I deal 1.04 + 1.10 + Pacheco for a QB, I can theoretically take Bijan, Stroud, JSN, then BPA at 1.08 (Charbonet, WR-X)

How does BPA at 1.04 compare to LJax if that is the key?

1.04 + 1.08 + Pacheco and you keep 1.10 for BPA (Flowers, Kincaid, Hyatt?)

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

So…for seemingly the 1 millionth time, would anyone trade for LJax right now or nah?

FBG Has him as the 6th best QB in my format (SF). Is he really? Any concern he actually doesn’t play in 2023?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

How does BPA at 1.04 compare to LJax if that is the key?

I’m not sure I understand this question.

• LJax doesn’t compare to the player at 1.04. The player at 1.04 is pretty obviously Gibbs or Young, or ARich if someone is feeling spry.
• by dealing for LJax I would theoretically be absorbing less risk at QB by taking only 1 rookie (Stroud) rather than 2 rookie QBs to anchor my team.

1.04 + 1.08 + Pacheco and you keep 1.10 for BPA (Flowers, Kincaid, Hyatt?)

I don’t understand this part either. Why would I deal the 1.08 instead of the 1.10?

I would much rather hold 1.08, as IMO it will be Charbonet, QJ, or Addison. I have all 3 a tier above the players who might make it to 1.10 (though it’s possible one of those 3 does)

I believe 1.04+1.10+Pacheco is fair value IF LJax is worth dealing for - but I’d probably start a little lower and leave Pacheco off the table to give me something to up the ante with if it comes to a counter. That just seems like good negotiating.

I know this manager well - we’ve made several trades. No matter what is offered they ask for more. So I’m unlikely to put all my cards on the table with the opening offer.

 

[menobrown]

FBG Has him as the 6th best QB in my format (SF). Is he really? Any concern he actually doesn’t play in 2023?

I think that's in range of what should be his ranking. I'd not quibble if he was a spot or two in either direction. It's just about weighing what is important to you, upside vs durability/longevity.

I have next to no concerns on him playing in 2023 but other issues exist. If he's back on Baltimore without a new contract I would worry about his willingness to play through injuries. Additionally no matter what team he's playing for next season he's going to have a new OC so the longer he's without a home it becomes an issue.

 

[Birdie048]

How does BPA at 1.04 compare to LJax if that is the key?

I’m not sure I understand this question.

• LJax doesn’t compare to the player at 1.04. The player at 1.04 is pretty obviously Gibbs or Young, or ARich if someone is feeling spry.
• by dealing for LJax I would theoretically be absorbing less risk at QB by taking only 1 rookie (Stroud) rather than 2 rookie QBs to anchor my team.

1.04 + 1.08 + Pacheco and you keep 1.10 for BPA (Flowers, Kincaid, Hyatt?)

I don’t understand this part either. Why would I deal the 1.08 instead of the 1.10?

I would much rather hold 1.08, as IMO it will be Charbonet, QJ, or Addison. I have all 3 a tier above the players who might make it to 1.10 (though it’s possible one of those 3 does)

I believe 1.04+1.10+Pacheco is fair value IF LJax is worth dealing for - but I’d probably start a little lower and leave Pacheco off the table to give me something to up the ante with if it comes to a counter. That just seems like good negotiating.

I know this manager well - we’ve made several trades. No matter what is offered they ask for more. So I’m unlikely to put all my cards on the table with the opening offer.

I was asking if you offer 1.04 + 1.10 (+Pacheco) for LJax compared to the BPA if you offered 1.03 and a 2nd?
I guess I was not clear.

So, 1.04 + 1.10 + Pacheco and give you the 1.08 for BPA
OR you offer 1.03 + 2.0x pick and you have BPA at 1.04, 1.08 and 1.10 compared to just 1.08 alone.
How does that compare? LJax, 1.04, 1.08 and 1.10 compared to LJax, 1.08 alone?
If they accept the 1.03 package that is ...

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I have next to no concerns on him playing in 2023 but other issues exist. If he's back on Baltimore without a new contract I would worry about his willingness to play through injuries. Additionally no matter what team he's playing for next season he's going to have a new OC so the longer he's without a home it becomes an issue.

Thank you - you’ve well articulated a couple of my chief concerns about LJax.

I guess the biggest question is “does LJax risk make him less worthy of the capital vs keeping Pacheco and those two picks, and using the 1.04 on Young myself?”

I’m thinking Young’s bust potential is at least as much of a concern as LJax health.

I’m not as worried as some about his ability to throw the ball if the OC wants him to do so. But more passing/less rushing would hurt his FF value potentially.

It’s a fascinating call, even if I wasn’t the one considering it. He’s a unique player in a unique situation.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

So, 1.04 + 1.10 + Pacheco and give you the 1.08 for BPA
OR you offer 1.03 + 2.0x pick and you have BPA at 1.04, 1.08 and 1.10 compared to just 1.08 alone.
How does that compare? LJax, 1.04, 1.08 and 1.10 compared to LJax, 1.08 alone?
If they accept the 1.03 package that is ...

OK, thanks, I think I understand what you meant.

I guess since I don’t have a 2nd round pick to offer it’s kind of moot.

Also like I said, I wouldn’t want to deal the 1.03 - and on that note, it’s worth including that the valuation of these picks in this context is very different.

Like, yes - it would potentially be the 1.04

But since I’m only taking 1 QB, the value of that 1.04 might as well be 1.03, since Young’s ADP is expected to be 1.03

By taking Bijan, Stroud, JSN, I would effectively be dealing pick 1.03 to the LJax owner, if that makes sense.

So evaluating the value of thee deal might require a little mental gymnastics. lol

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

So…for seemingly the 1 millionth time, would anyone trade for LJax right now or nah?

FBG Has him as the 6th best QB in my format (SF). Is he really? Any concern he actually doesn’t play in 2023?

I think LJax is a guy to target. I'm just not sure right now is the time. The longer the contract "negotiations" happen, the more antsy owners will get. I'd let it ride right up until the NFL draft. Maybe put out a feeler a week or so before...

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

So…for seemingly the 1 millionth time, would anyone trade for LJax right now or nah?

FBG Has him as the 6th best QB in my format (SF). Is he really? Any concern he actually doesn’t play in 2023?

I think LJax is a guy to target. I'm just not sure right now is the time. The longer the contract "negotiations" happen, the more antsy owners will get. I'd let it ride right up until the NFL draft. Maybe put out a feeler a week or so before...

In principal I agree. But an NFL trade could derail that at literally any time. In that light it seems like waiting longer could work against me.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Related: same package for Fields in SF.

1.04, 1.10, Pacheco

Better or worse than LJax as a trade target?

Durability still a concern - he’s shown less than LJax in the passing game.

 

[joey]

scraping the bottom for my last FFPC 1QB dynasty league (Keep only 14 skill position players) and I have to chose between Renfrow WR LV, Claypool WR CHI or Haskins RB TEN.
My roster is hopefully in the last year of its rebuild and pretty evenly "ok" at both RB and WR. Liked Renfrow as my last keeper before they signed Meyers, but now not so sure. Hate the idea of keeping Claypool who I've pretty much written off at this point. And Haskins only value is IF Henry finallys hits the wall (I don't roster Henry in this league) and then IF he's actually going to be the main starter there, which I'm not sure is a lock.

thoughts welcome.

 

[joey]

Related: same package for Fields in SF.

1.04, 1.10, Pacheco

Better or worse than LJax as a trade target?

Durability still a concern - he’s shown less than LJax in the passing game.

LJax and Fields are basically neck and neck in a few dynasty rankings I've looked at recently, so it's a matter of preference. At least Fields has no question markers around him holding out or being traded at this point.