Dynasty Value Discussion Thread (9 Viewers)

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I’ll play devils advocate here and say no. Don’t do it. That is a lot of assets to give up for one piece. Also, Allen is reckless and njoku doesn’t offer much as far as every week starters go.

It’s funny - I agree with this. I think more highly of Njoku, but I wouldn’t spend that much for Allen.

It’s not because he’s reckless - it’s because I’d rather spend less on a non-top 2 QB with potential to profit.

Buying an Allen or Mahomes means paying top of the market pricing. So it’s either a break even or depreciating return.

I don’t see a lot of scenarios where spending all that capital for Allen could result in return.

But that’s probably (roughly) what it’d take to get him.

 

[JoeJoe88]

10 Team 2QB, what's too much for Lawrence?

I have a plethora of picks bwteen 23' and 24'. Currently have 1.01, 1.03, 1.04, 1.07, 1.10 and 2.01. And three 24' 1sts.

Current QB's rostered are Lance, Purdy and Mike White Planning on Bijan at 1 and certainly a QB at 1.03,

Considering offering 1.04, 1.10 and a 24' 1st? Too much? Too light? Just right?

 

[farfromforgotten]

10 Team 2QB, what's too much for Lawrence?

I have a plethora of picks bwteen 23' and 24'. Currently have 1.01, 1.03, 1.04, 1.07, 1.10 and 2.01. And three 24' 1sts.

Current QB's rostered are Lance, Purdy and Mike White Planning on Bijan at 1 and certainly a QB at 1.03,

Considering offering 1.04, 1.10 and a 24' 1st? Too much? Too light? Just right?

It’s not an insulting offer but it’s going to greatly depend on what else he has at the position. As I’m sure that you’re already aware QBs in your setting are like gold. He’s giving up Lawrence and will more than likely have to try and replace him with the 1.04? I’d rather roll with Lawrence, myself. The 1.10 is a solid piece but it doesn’t do much for me personally looking at this draft class. Who knows where that ‘24 pick will be?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

10 Team 2QB, what's too much for Lawrence?

I have a plethora of picks bwteen 23' and 24'. Currently have 1.01, 1.03, 1.04, 1.07, 1.10 and 2.01. And three 24' 1sts.

Current QB's rostered are Lance, Purdy and Mike White Planning on Bijan at 1 and certainly a QB at 1.03,

Considering offering 1.04, 1.10 and a 24' 1st? Too much? Too light? Just right?

IMO to pull this off you need to send a pick in the top 3, ideally 1.02, as part of any package.

You have to position them to get a Stroud, ARich, or Young to pull it off.

Not sure what a total package would have to be, but somewhere on the order of 2x ‘23 1sts inside the top 6, and 1x ‘24 1st? Say, 1.03, 1.06, 2024 1st +

Spitballing. Haven’t run it anywhere. Probably need to throw a player at it too - something they need.

ETA, that’s how I landed Fields. By giving up a pick where my trade partner could have a shot at Young or ARich, assuming I take Stroud.

 

[titusbramble]

10 Team 2QB, what's too much for Lawrence?

Think three firsts would be too much, two wouldn't be enough unless one of them was pretty high (in which event I'm probably just using it on a QB). Oddly Lawrence was on the block in my league (same size/format) and I did inquire as to what he wanted, but this was at the start of last season and he also had Watson so pure picks wasn't getting a deal done.

Would try 1.04 (so assuming that Bijan is gone they can draft a QB), 1.10 and some useful but expendable player as a starting point

 

[farfromforgotten]

I’ve never owned a plethora of 1st round picks before, heck - I can’t even remember the last time I made a single one at this point, but the topic interests me enough to make this post about my philosophy when it comes to the value of them in dynasty leagues.

I feel that unless you are holding what seems likely to be a top 3 pick to go ahead and move off it as quickly as possible, and I never expect to be holding a top 3 pick. I look to move them for young, unproven talent that I believe in or an established player and 2nd/3rd round picks. The one orphan I took over last year was a middle of the pack team and I moved my ‘22 1st right away and then during the season I moved my ‘23 1st. I finished with the 2nd best record in that league. If you’ve seen my posts in the last week in the dynasty trades thread you’ll see how I took over another middle of the pack team and made it into what I consider to be a championship caliber team almost instantaneously, in big part by trading away its two firsts this year and next year’s as well. I typically like to hold on to the following years first until during the season but I felt the value was too good to pass up on when the trade offer came through.

Now this most recent orphan also traded away Ja’Marr Chase. The thought of trading away Chase and three 1st round picks may be of concern to some but they brought me back Fields, CMc, Ekeler, and Godwin in a 12 team SF. These guys, along with what I already have, should be able to keep me towards the top for at least a couple more seasons I believe. I also have three 2nd round picks and a 3rd in this draft. So I’ll still be able to bring in rookies behind them. They just won’t have the “1st round” tag tied to them. If I can hit on 1 of the 4 I’ll be ecstatic, anything more will be gravy.

This post was longer than I thought it would be and I’m sure its already taken place here but I’d be interested in hearing others opinions on the matter all the same.

 

[Rookiefever]

I’ll play devils advocate here and say no. Don’t do it. That is a lot of assets to give up for one piece. Also, Allen is reckless and njoku doesn’t offer much as far as every week starters go.

It’s funny - I agree with this. I think more highly of Njoku, but I wouldn’t spend that much for Allen.

It’s not because he’s reckless - it’s because I’d rather spend less on a non-top 2 QB with potential to profit.

Buying an Allen or Mahomes means paying top of the market pricing. So it’s either a break even or depreciating return.

I don’t see a lot of scenarios where spending all that capital for Allen could result in return.

But that’s probably (roughly) what it’d take to get him.

Agreed. Not to mention 1.03 could be Bijan or the second qb.

 

[Rookiefever]

Regarding a topic we discussed a few pages back. I ended up sending cooper kupp for Ridley and picks 7&20. I’ll miss him in my lineup for sure but good value imo.

 

[Lehigh98]

I didn't want to clutter up the thread with my team stuff but, for anyone interested in a project, would be interested in your guys' advice on my team that's about to turn the corner from a productive struggle. I need to do some housecleaning leading up to the season to start with the best possible 25-man roster for scoring in best ball. TIA...
Dynasty best ball roster strategy heading into 2023

 

[zaner75]

What is the value for Dak Prescott in 1QB? And SF?

My opinion is based on 12+ SF leagues, as that is what I play.

I would think that most managers with Prescott have him as either their QB1 or QB2, which would raise the price as they would look at creating a hole at QB unless another starter was coming back, so I would peg the ask at early first (1.02-1.04) plus without another starting QB involved.

 

[zaner75]

10 Team 2QB, what's too much for Lawrence?

Given it's a must start 2, I would say that it's unlikely to get him for less than 3 firsts (or equivalent), with multiple premium picks/players included. As mentioned in other posts, your trade partner would need to see a way to replace Lawrence and upgrade his roster to be incentivized to consider a trade. For me, 1.04 (likely last choice of rookie QBs), 1.10 (non-premium) and random 24 1st (non-premium) wouldn't make me want to trade what is likely considered an ascending towards elite asset.

 

[JohnnyU]

I’ve never owned a plethora of 1st round picks before, heck - I can’t even remember the last time I made a single one at this point, but the topic interests me enough to make this post about my philosophy when it comes to the value of them in dynasty leagues.

I feel that unless you are holding what seems likely to be a top 3 pick to go ahead and move off it as quickly as possible, and I never expect to be holding a top 3 pick. I look to move them for young, unproven talent that I believe in or an established player and 2nd/3rd round picks. The one orphan I took over last year was a middle of the pack team and I moved my ‘22 1st right away and then during the season I moved my ‘23 1st. I finished with the 2nd best record in that league. If you’ve seen my posts in the last week in the dynasty trades thread you’ll see how I took over another middle of the pack team and made it into what I consider to be a championship caliber team almost instantaneously, in big part by trading away its two firsts this year and next year’s as well. I typically like to hold on to the following years first until during the season but I felt the value was too good to pass up on when the trade offer came through.

Now this most recent orphan also traded away Ja’Marr Chase. The thought of trading away Chase and three 1st round picks may be of concern to some but they brought me back Fields, CMc, Ekeler, and Godwin in a 12 team SF. These guys, along with what I already have, should be able to keep me towards the top for at least a couple more seasons I believe. I also have three 2nd round picks and a 3rd in this draft. So I’ll still be able to bring in rookies behind them. They just won’t have the “1st round” tag tied to them. If I can hit on 1 of the 4 I’ll be ecstatic, anything more will be gravy.

This post was longer than I thought it would be and I’m sure its already taken place here but I’d be interested in hearing others opinions on the matter all the same.

Exeler and Godwin aren’t for long, but I get it.

 

[ghostguy123]

10 Team 2QB, what's too much for Lawrence?

I have a plethora of picks bwteen 23' and 24'. Currently have 1.01, 1.03, 1.04, 1.07, 1.10 and 2.01. And three 24' 1sts.

Current QB's rostered are Lance, Purdy and Mike White Planning on Bijan at 1 and certainly a QB at 1.03,

Considering offering 1.04, 1.10 and a 24' 1st? Too much? Too light? Just right?

I say just keep the picks and draft. Take two QBs at 3/4

 

[JoeJoe88]

10 Team 2QB, what's too much for Lawrence?

I have a plethora of picks bwteen 23' and 24'. Currently have 1.01, 1.03, 1.04, 1.07, 1.10 and 2.01. And three 24' 1sts.

Current QB's rostered are Lance, Purdy and Mike White Planning on Bijan at 1 and certainly a QB at 1.03,

Considering offering 1.04, 1.10 and a 24' 1st? Too much? Too light? Just right?

I say just keep the picks and draft. Take two QBs at 3/4

I think that’s exactly what I’m going to end up doing, actually. I’m pretty solid at WR so 1.07, 1.10 and 2.01 I can go all RB.

 

[Lehigh98]

FYI, I'm in both of these leagues and they're fun formats if anyone is looking for dynasty, devy, best ball...
($25) World Cup themed Bestball Dynasty with relegation and devy, needing owners for dispersal draft
$50, Face/Off (Travolta/Cage theme) 5 team dispersal, Bestball, Devy, SF

 

[JohnnyU]

10 Team 2QB, what's too much for Lawrence?

I have a plethora of picks bwteen 23' and 24'. Currently have 1.01, 1.03, 1.04, 1.07, 1.10 and 2.01. And three 24' 1sts.

Current QB's rostered are Lance, Purdy and Mike White Planning on Bijan at 1 and certainly a QB at 1.03,

Considering offering 1.04, 1.10 and a 24' 1st? Too much? Too light? Just right?

I say just keep the picks and draft. Take two QBs at 3/4

One thing that I don’t like about SF or 2qb leagues is when mediocre QB talent is more valuable than stud players.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

10 Team 2QB, what's too much for Lawrence?

I have a plethora of picks bwteen 23' and 24'. Currently have 1.01, 1.03, 1.04, 1.07, 1.10 and 2.01. And three 24' 1sts.

Current QB's rostered are Lance, Purdy and Mike White Planning on Bijan at 1 and certainly a QB at 1.03,

Considering offering 1.04, 1.10 and a 24' 1st? Too much? Too light? Just right?

I say just keep the picks and draft. Take two QBs at 3/4

The more I think about this one the less convinced I am that a TLaw owner would have any inventive to make such a deal unless it were an obscene overpay. I'd agree that this is the way to go.

First I'd target a Fields or LJax for significantly less (I just did exactly that) - the return is likely to be more immediate. Taking 2 rookie QBs is pretty risky, but taking 1 and dealing for one is a pretty good way to minimize risk, even if the QB you're dealing for is a bit riskier.

Good call though - I wouldn't overpay for TLaw either.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

One thing that I don’t like about SF or 2qb leagues is when mediocre QB talent is more valuable than stud players.

There's still rarity at other positions. There are only so many 3 down RB, only so many elite tier WR, and if TE-P or start 2 TE, and/or especially if IDP is involved, it's not that extreme.

If you have Barkley/Burrow/Mayfield, Chase/Kelce, you're probably still better off than a team that has 2 stud QBs and is weak at RB/WR or TE.

Often teams in SF leagues overpay for QB assets at the expense of the rest of their build. So yeah, QB value is elevated by scarcity - but they still have to field a roster, and QB isn't the only scarce position so long as there are other mandatory minimum roster position slots.

 

[Jayded]

Price check on Breece Hall?

Another owner has chased him for years as I drafted him in our league startup years ago.

A key cornerstone of a would-be deal on the other side would be ETN. Before last year it was pure potential. My team is starting to age though, and while I’d love to hold him as a cornerstone, if I can get multiple young pieces for the right price it might make sense to move him.

How far apart are Hall and ETN?

 

[smbkrypt24]

Price check on Breece Hall?

Another owner has chased him for years as I drafted him in our league startup years ago.

A key cornerstone of a would-be deal on the other side would be ETN. Before last year it was pure potential. My team is starting to age though, and while I’d love to hold him as a cornerstone, if I can get multiple young pieces for the right price it might make sense to move him.

How far apart are Hall and ETN?

Devy league? He was a rookie last year.

A second rounder bridges that gap for me. If I owned hall I would be looking to make that trade.

 

[runner06]

Price check on Breece Hall?

Another owner has chased him for years as I drafted him in our league startup years ago.

A key cornerstone of a would-be deal on the other side would be ETN. Before last year it was pure potential. My team is starting to age though, and while I’d love to hold him as a cornerstone, if I can get multiple young pieces for the right price it might make sense to move him.

How far apart are Hall and ETN?

Devy league? He was a rookie last year.

A second rounder bridges that gap for me. If I owned hall I would be looking to make that trade.

Dynasty second rounders have a pretty low hit rate. Unless I have two players valued equally I wouldn't do this if you think Hall > ETN. If you think they're comparable then this sort of trade makes sense.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Price check on Breece Hall?

Another owner has chased him for years as I drafted him in our league startup years ago.

A key cornerstone of a would-be deal on the other side would be ETN. Before last year it was pure potential. My team is starting to age though, and while I’d love to hold him as a cornerstone, if I can get multiple young pieces for the right price it might make sense to move him.

How far apart are Hall and ETN?

Devy league? He was a rookie last year.

A second rounder bridges that gap for me. If I owned hall I would be looking to make that trade.

Dynasty second rounders have a pretty low hit rate. Unless I have two players valued equally I wouldn't do this if you think Hall > ETN. If you think they're comparable then this sort of trade makes sense.

Yeah, that 2nd rounder doesn’t bridge the gap for me either.

ETN could develop into a very valuable player, but there’s a chasm between him & a healthy Hall.

 

[smbkrypt24]

Price check on Breece Hall?

Another owner has chased him for years as I drafted him in our league startup years ago.

A key cornerstone of a would-be deal on the other side would be ETN. Before last year it was pure potential. My team is starting to age though, and while I’d love to hold him as a cornerstone, if I can get multiple young pieces for the right price it might make sense to move him.

How far apart are Hall and ETN?

Devy league? He was a rookie last year.

A second rounder bridges that gap for me. If I owned hall I would be looking to make that trade.

Dynasty second rounders have a pretty low hit rate. Unless I have two players valued equally I wouldn't do this if you think Hall > ETN. If you think they're comparable then this sort of trade makes sense.

Yeah, that 2nd rounder doesn’t bridge the gap for me either.

ETN could develop into a very valuable player, but there’s a chasm between him & a healthy Hall.

That’s where you get to say your price…..
I said mine. I am down on Hall and up on Etienne.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Price check on Breece Hall?

Another owner has chased him for years as I drafted him in our league startup years ago.

A key cornerstone of a would-be deal on the other side would be ETN. Before last year it was pure potential. My team is starting to age though, and while I’d love to hold him as a cornerstone, if I can get multiple young pieces for the right price it might make sense to move him.

How far apart are Hall and ETN?

Devy league? He was a rookie last year.

A second rounder bridges that gap for me. If I owned hall I would be looking to make that trade.

Dynasty second rounders have a pretty low hit rate. Unless I have two players valued equally I wouldn't do this if you think Hall > ETN. If you think they're comparable then this sort of trade makes sense.

Yeah, that 2nd rounder doesn’t bridge the gap for me either.

ETN could develop into a very valuable player, but there’s a chasm between him & a healthy Hall.

That’s where you get to say your price…..
I said mine. I am down on Hall and up on Etienne.

I roster ETN - love the kid. I’m up on him too.

But Hall looked special behind what should likely be a worse OL than 2023, and with what absolutely was worse QB play.

His ACL isn’t concerning me much, so I have little reason to believe he’ll regress year 2.

As a Hall owner who loves ETN I’d suggest it would take at least a mid 1st (or player of equivalent value + ETN to get him from me at the moment.

Otherwise I’d rather just hold Hall.

 

[Mitchie]

10 Team 2QB, what's too much for Lawrence?

I have a plethora of picks bwteen 23' and 24'. Currently have 1.01, 1.03, 1.04, 1.07, 1.10 and 2.01. And three 24' 1sts.

Current QB's rostered are Lance, Purdy and Mike White Planning on Bijan at 1 and certainly a QB at 1.03,

Considering offering 1.04, 1.10 and a 24' 1st? Too much? Too light? Just right?

I say just keep the picks and draft. Take two QBs at 3/4

One thing that I don’t like about SF or 2qb leagues is when mediocre QB talent is more valuable than stud players.

well that's true in the NFL...

 

[Mitchie]

Regarding a topic we discussed a few pages back. I ended up sending cooper kupp for Ridley and picks 7&20. I’ll miss him in my lineup for sure but good value imo.

don't like it. too much risk in Ridley, Kupp still a stud.

 

[Jayded]

Price check on Breece Hall?

Another owner has chased him for years as I drafted him in our league startup years ago.

A key cornerstone of a would-be deal on the other side would be ETN. Before last year it was pure potential. My team is starting to age though, and while I’d love to hold him as a cornerstone, if I can get multiple young pieces for the right price it might make sense to move him.

How far apart are Hall and ETN?

Devy league? He was a rookie last year.

A second rounder bridges that gap for me. If I owned hall I would be looking to make that trade.

Dynasty second rounders have a pretty low hit rate. Unless I have two players valued equally I wouldn't do this if you think Hall > ETN. If you think they're comparable then this sort of trade makes sense.

Yeah, that 2nd rounder doesn’t bridge the gap for me either.

ETN could develop into a very valuable player, but there’s a chasm between him & a healthy Hall.

That’s where you get to say your price…..
I said mine. I am down on Hall and up on Etienne.

I roster ETN - love the kid. I’m up on him too.

But Hall looked special behind what should likely be a worse OL than 2023, and with what absolutely was worse QB play.

His ACL isn’t concerning me much, so I have little reason to believe he’ll regress year 2.

As a Hall owner who loves ETN I’d suggest it would take at least a mid 1st (or player of equivalent value + ETN to get him from me at the moment.

Otherwise I’d rather just hold Hall.

Appreciate the thoughts. I’m a Texans fan, so he’s been chasing Hall while trying to give me ETN + Metchie as pieces in the deal. He’s got one more guy that might tip the scales for me - Tee Higgins.

Won’t turn this into a trade thread but since I’m personally higher on Hall (and he’s my RB2, CMC) in a devy league, was curious how far apart others saw Hall and ETN. Devy picks are more speculative as the big names are long gone so I feel like I need to make up the gap elsewhere like WR.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Price check on Breece Hall?

Another owner has chased him for years as I drafted him in our league startup years ago.

A key cornerstone of a would-be deal on the other side would be ETN. Before last year it was pure potential. My team is starting to age though, and while I’d love to hold him as a cornerstone, if I can get multiple young pieces for the right price it might make sense to move him.

How far apart are Hall and ETN?

Devy league? He was a rookie last year.

A second rounder bridges that gap for me. If I owned hall I would be looking to make that trade.

Dynasty second rounders have a pretty low hit rate. Unless I have two players valued equally I wouldn't do this if you think Hall > ETN. If you think they're comparable then this sort of trade makes sense.

Yeah, that 2nd rounder doesn’t bridge the gap for me either.

ETN could develop into a very valuable player, but there’s a chasm between him & a healthy Hall.

That’s where you get to say your price…..
I said mine. I am down on Hall and up on Etienne.

I roster ETN - love the kid. I’m up on him too.

But Hall looked special behind what should likely be a worse OL than 2023, and with what absolutely was worse QB play.

His ACL isn’t concerning me much, so I have little reason to believe he’ll regress year 2.

As a Hall owner who loves ETN I’d suggest it would take at least a mid 1st (or player of equivalent value + ETN to get him from me at the moment.

Otherwise I’d rather just hold Hall.

Appreciate the thoughts. I’m a Texans fan, so he’s been chasing Hall while trying to give me ETN + Metchie as pieces in the deal. He’s got one more guy that might tip the scales for me - Tee Higgins.

Won’t turn this into a trade thread but since I’m personally higher on Hall (and he’s my RB2, CMC) in a devy league, was curious how far apart others saw Hall and ETN. Devy picks are more speculative as the big names are long gone so I feel like I need to make up the gap elsewhere like WR.

I would absolutely move Hall for Higgins + ETN. You’d have to up your side with a pick or player but yeah - do that!

 

[Birdie048]

Price check on Breece Hall?

Another owner has chased him for years as I drafted him in our league startup years ago.

A key cornerstone of a would-be deal on the other side would be ETN. Before last year it was pure potential. My team is starting to age though, and while I’d love to hold him as a cornerstone, if I can get multiple young pieces for the right price it might make sense to move him.

How far apart are Hall and ETN?

I am a fan of ETN. I think the upgrades in JAX will have him seeing more usage (rec included). The whole offense is moving up.
NYJ are after the downward trending Rodgers for the diva QB to run the show. I think this is a disaster in waiting. Conflict and turmoil due to miscommunication and differences in Play preferences will shorten the Jets plans. While G Wilson is a talented WR, the influx of older less talented Rodgers Buddies will see him reduced value and Run game will suffer.
Granted this is a 1-2 year issue, and in dynasty we need to look 3-5 year windows or longer.
Breece Hall showed top tier talent (pre-injury). The plans OC Hackett puts in place to placate Rodgers will impact Hall's 2023 value.
Long Term --> Hall > ETN but for the next 2 years, I like ETN more.
If I had Hall, and I got a 2024 early 2nd to move to ETN, I would jump on it.

 

[Birdie048]

Appreciate the thoughts. I’m a Texans fan, so he’s been chasing Hall while trying to give me ETN + Metchie as pieces in the deal. He’s got one more guy that might tip the scales for me - Tee Higgins.

Won’t turn this into a trade thread but since I’m personally higher on Hall (and he’s my RB2, CMC) in a devy league, was curious how far apart others saw Hall and ETN. Devy picks are more speculative as the big names are long gone so I feel like I need to make up the gap elsewhere like WR.

I would jump all over that if offered! ETN & Higgins for Hall?
I would even throw in a 2nd to make that happen!

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Price check on Breece Hall?

Another owner has chased him for years as I drafted him in our league startup years ago.

A key cornerstone of a would-be deal on the other side would be ETN. Before last year it was pure potential. My team is starting to age though, and while I’d love to hold him as a cornerstone, if I can get multiple young pieces for the right price it might make sense to move him.

How far apart are Hall and ETN?

I am a fan of ETN. I think the upgrades in JAX will have him seeing more usage (rec included). The whole offense is moving up.
NYJ are after the downward trending Rodgers for the diva QB to run the show. I think this is a disaster in waiting. Conflict and turmoil due to miscommunication and differences in Play preferences will shorten the Jets plans. While G Wilson is a talented WR, the influx of older less talented Rodgers Buddies will see him reduced value and Run game will suffer.
Granted this is a 1-2 year issue, and in dynasty we need to look 3-5 year windows or longer.
Breece Hall showed top tier talent (pre-injury). The plans OC Hackett puts in place to placate Rodgers will impact Hall's 2023 value.
Long Term --> Hall > ETN but for the next 2 years, I like ETN more.
If I had Hall, and I got a 2024 early 2nd to move to ETN, I would jump on it.s

So Breece was a stud with Zach Wilson and Mike White, but you’re predicting the offense will be so much worse with Rodgers under center that he’ll struggle?
Interesting take.

 

[Birdie048]

So Breece was a stud with Zach Wilson and Mike White, but you’re predicting the offense will be so much worse with Rodgers under center that he’ll struggle?
Interesting take.

Yes, worse for the Running Game (Hall) due to Rodgers audible at the LOS and preferring to use his Arm and not trust the OC/Run Game plan.
I just believe there will be serious "growing pains" for NYJ Offense with the downward overall stats with all the changes and accommodations to Heir Diva.
Last year, they showed promise. The effort and cost associated with Rodgers will cost them valuable draft capital.

 

[Blick]

So Breece was a stud with Zach Wilson and Mike White, but you’re predicting the offense will be so much worse with Rodgers under center that he’ll struggle?
Interesting take.

Yes, worse for the Running Game (Hall) due to Rodgers audible at the LOS and preferring to use his Arm and not trust the OC/Run Game plan.
I just believe there will be serious "growing pains" for NYJ Offense with the downward overall stats with all the changes and accommodations to Heir Diva.
Last year, they showed promise. The effort and cost associated with Rodgers will cost them valuable draft capital.

I agree. Football is a team sport. All this drama can't be good for the NYJ success. The team did very well last year considering their crap at QB. I think there is significant risk that Rodgers not only doesn't live up to expectations but drags the team down with him.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

. The effort and cost associated with Rodgers will cost them valuable draft capital.

But they’d be improving their offense by using their assets. I really think you don’t realize just how bad the Jets QB play was last season. There’s a very very very very very very negligible chance of it being worse.

 

[menobrown]

So Breece was a stud with Zach Wilson and Mike White, but you’re predicting the offense will be so much worse with Rodgers under center that he’ll struggle?
Interesting take.

Yes, worse for the Running Game (Hall) due to Rodgers audible at the LOS and preferring to use his Arm and not trust the OC/Run Game plan.
I just believe there will be serious "growing pains" for NYJ Offense with the downward overall stats with all the changes and accommodations to Heir Diva.
Last year, they showed promise. The effort and cost associated with Rodgers will cost them valuable draft capital.

I understand what you are saying but I think Rodgers has been very willing to trust the running game the last few years, almost to much at times IMO.

I just isolated this to RB carries.

Green Bay was 8th last season. Under his 3 years with Hackett, 19-21, GB was 9th in RB carries.

The Jet's were 24th last year.

And one thing to not discount is how much longer Rodgers is going to be able to sustain drives, plus I think if the health works out the Jets OL should be considerably improved next year, maybe a gigantic type improvement.

 

[Birdie048]

. The effort and cost associated with Rodgers will cost them valuable draft capital.

But they’d be improving their offense by using their assets. I really think you don’t realize just how bad the Jets QB play was last season. There’s a very very very very very very negligible chance of it being worse.

Good and valid point. I just don't see Rodgers & his entourage as a positive or improvement.
So my point was ETN vs Hall and I see Jax being in more sustained drives than NYJ. Value of ETN for 1-2 years > Hall until they work out the post-Rodgers plan.
YES, the NYJ has room for improvement and I hope they continue upward. I just don't see 2023 as a step that way.

The RB game and OL issues could prove me wrong. I accept that possibility. I just see ETN > Hall today.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

So Breece was a stud with Zach Wilson and Mike White, but you’re predicting the offense will be so much worse with Rodgers under center that he’ll struggle?
Interesting take.

Yes, worse for the Running Game (Hall) due to Rodgers audible at the LOS and preferring to use his Arm and not trust the OC/Run Game plan.
I just believe there will be serious "growing pains" for NYJ Offense with the downward overall stats with all the changes and accommodations to Heir Diva.
Last year, they showed promise. The effort and cost associated with Rodgers will cost them valuable draft capital.

I dunno - Aaron Jones & AJD seemed to put up pretty monstrous number with ARod.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

So Breece was a stud with Zach Wilson and Mike White, but you’re predicting the offense will be so much worse with Rodgers under center that he’ll struggle?
Interesting take.

Yes, worse for the Running Game (Hall) due to Rodgers audible at the LOS and preferring to use his Arm and not trust the OC/Run Game plan.
I just believe there will be serious "growing pains" for NYJ Offense with the downward overall stats with all the changes and accommodations to Heir Diva.
Last year, they showed promise. The effort and cost associated with Rodgers will cost them valuable draft capital.

I understand what you are saying but I think Rodgers has been very willing to trust the running game the last few years, almost to much at times IMO.

I just isolated this to RB carries.

Green Bay was 8th last season. Under his 3 years with Hackett, 19-21, GB was 9th in RB carries.

The Jet's were 24th last year.

And one thing to not discount is how much longer Rodgers is going to be able to sustain drives, plus I think if the health works out the Jets OL should be considerably improved next year, maybe a gigantic type improvement.

More sustained drives, more RZ possessions, and more GL possessions.

And I expect the Jets to address OL in the draft, which wasn’t really a weakness.

I see no universe in which the Jets offense is worse with ARod & all these receivers than it was with “8 in the box” Zach Wilson.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Good and valid point. I just don't see Rodgers & his entourage as a positive or improvement.

I do not understand this position at all if you watched the Jets last season - but will let it go.

 

[Birdie048]

Good and valid point. I just don't see Rodgers & his entourage as a positive or improvement.

I do not understand this position at all if you watched the Jets last season - but will let it go.

Sorry. Only watched little Jets. I just see Rodgers as a negative impact on Jets offense

 

[ghostguy123]

Good and valid point. I just don't see Rodgers & his entourage as a positive or improvement.

I do not understand this position at all if you watched the Jets last season - but will let it go.

Sorry. Only watched little Jets. I just see Rodgers as a negative impact on Jets offense

Wut?

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Good and valid point. I just don't see Rodgers & his entourage as a positive or improvement.

I do not understand this position at all if you watched the Jets last season - but will let it go.

Sorry. Only watched little Jets. I just see Rodgers as a negative impact on Jets offense

I don’t. And I’m not a Rodgers guy. He’s worlds better than Mike White/Zach Wilson.

Just the threat of him being good will keep defenses softer against the run.

Whether he’s good or not is TBD, but I expect him to be pretty solid. Top 12 at least.

 

[acarey50]

Non-PPR, how big, if any, is the gap between Javonte Williams and Rachaad White?

 

[BigAl21]

Who is preferred in PPR - Olave or Amon-Ra… what day you all?

 

[menobrown]

Who is preferred in PPR - Olave or Amon-Ra… what day you all?

That's a tough one to me and I changed my mind before I finished typing this sentence.

I got a tendency to want to say ASB needs more volume and due to that he's a little riskier as volume can change faster then talent but then when you look at it that's not really accurate. ASB runs higher percentage routes and due in large part to that he actually outscores Olave in career to date fantasy points per target by a little so on the same amount of volume ASB's done better.

This next part might sound like a strange take but I'm not Olave as much growth to his game that we typically might view out of a first to second year+ player. And I say that because he walked into the league incredibly polished. I'm sure he can get a little better, be healthier, get better QB play, get more of the offense designed around him,etc,etc. So some reasons for improvement for sure but I just think growth in his individual game might be as high as many expect.

I don't have an opinion to give that I don't think I'd change my mind in the next few minutes or be talked into the other way.

 

[foxco]

Olave looks great, ASB looks like one of the hardest workers I've seen, a fierce competitor who's giving 110% out there. Love him and think his work ethic will keep him involved for a long time. I think they're close & Olave may have the higher ceiling but I have a real soft spot for ASB.

 

[BigAl21]

Olave looks great, ASB looks like one of the hardest workers I've seen, a fierce competitor who's giving 110% out there. Love him and think his work ethic will keep him involved for a long time. I think they're close & Olave may have the higher ceiling but I have a real soft spot for ASB.

They both seem like FF cornerstone pieces to me. I’m super torn which is why I tossed out the question…

 

[Da Franchise]

Olave looks great, ASB looks like one of the hardest workers I've seen, a fierce competitor who's giving 110% out there. Love him and think his work ethic will keep him involved for a long time. I think they're close & Olave may have the higher ceiling but I have a real soft spot for ASB.

They both seem like FF cornerstone pieces to me. I’m super torn which is why I tossed out the question…

Agreed, very even. In that situation I’d really look no further than the upcoming season. Which do you like better this year? I’d probably start digging into opponents and whatnot.

FWIW the startup adp I look at has Olave 9 and Amon 11.

 

[efactor]

10 Team 2QB, what's too much for Lawrence?

I have a plethora of picks bwteen 23' and 24'. Currently have 1.01, 1.03, 1.04, 1.07, 1.10 and 2.01. And three 24' 1sts.

Current QB's rostered are Lance, Purdy and Mike White Planning on Bijan at 1 and certainly a QB at 1.03,

Considering offering 1.04, 1.10 and a 24' 1st? Too much? Too light? Just right?

I say just keep the picks and draft. Take two QBs at 3/4

One thing that I don’t like about SF or 2qb leagues is when mediocre QB talent is more valuable than stud players.

To each their own and all, but I played in a SF for a couple years and just couldn't get into it and that was one of the biggest reasons. Just hated viewing mid/low end QBs like they were gold.

Of course I took over a terrible team with crappy QBs and no first round pick, so that probably played into it too

 

[zaner75]

Who is preferred in PPR - Olave or Amon-Ra… what day you all?

St. Brown for me. He’s had 2 productive seasons and the stories about the chip on his shoulder (memorizing the WR taken before him) adds an extra motivation piece on his side. Especially in PPR, I can see an easier path for St. Brown to maintain and build upon a top 10 season due to his role in an ascending offence whereas, for me, Olave is more of a projection to make that leap.