Dynasty Value Discussion Thread (7 Viewers)

[JohnnyU]

10 Team 2QB, what's too much for Lawrence?

I have a plethora of picks bwteen 23' and 24'. Currently have 1.01, 1.03, 1.04, 1.07, 1.10 and 2.01. And three 24' 1sts.

Current QB's rostered are Lance, Purdy and Mike White Planning on Bijan at 1 and certainly a QB at 1.03,

Considering offering 1.04, 1.10 and a 24' 1st? Too much? Too light? Just right?

I say just keep the picks and draft. Take two QBs at 3/4

One thing that I don’t like about SF or 2qb leagues is when mediocre QB talent is more valuable than stud players.

well that's true in the NFL...

That doesn’t make it right for fantasy. NFL <> Fantasy.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

10 Team 2QB, what's too much for Lawrence?

I have a plethora of picks bwteen 23' and 24'. Currently have 1.01, 1.03, 1.04, 1.07, 1.10 and 2.01. And three 24' 1sts.

Current QB's rostered are Lance, Purdy and Mike White Planning on Bijan at 1 and certainly a QB at 1.03,

Considering offering 1.04, 1.10 and a 24' 1st? Too much? Too light? Just right?

I say just keep the picks and draft. Take two QBs at 3/4

One thing that I don’t like about SF or 2qb leagues is when mediocre QB talent is more valuable than stud players.

To each their own and all, but I played in a SF for a couple years and just couldn't get into it and that was one of the biggest reasons. Just hated viewing mid/low end QBs like they were gold.

Of course I took over a terrible team with crappy QBs and no first round pick, so that probably played into it too

That is definitely hard-mode. Sounds a lot like the orphan I took over. I ended up trading a LOT of RB/WR assets to acquire Fields and TLaw before the season started last year. It was absolutely a gamble, but I'm a firm believer that you start rebuilding a SF team with QBs because they are the highest longevity assets in the game. Now that QB is locked down, I'll start adding WR and RB assets.
Obviously there's many, many ways to skin a cat, but this one seems to be working for me.

 

[Mitchie]

10 Team 2QB, what's too much for Lawrence?

I have a plethora of picks bwteen 23' and 24'. Currently have 1.01, 1.03, 1.04, 1.07, 1.10 and 2.01. And three 24' 1sts.

Current QB's rostered are Lance, Purdy and Mike White Planning on Bijan at 1 and certainly a QB at 1.03,

Considering offering 1.04, 1.10 and a 24' 1st? Too much? Too light? Just right?

I say just keep the picks and draft. Take two QBs at 3/4

One thing that I don’t like about SF or 2qb leagues is when mediocre QB talent is more valuable than stud players.

well that's true in the NFL...

That doesn’t make it right for fantasy. NFL <> Fantasy.

no but it doesn't make it wrong either. A lot of TE's are mediocre talent. 3rd, 4th and 5th receivers aren't the best players, a lot of backup RB's who become starters after injury aren't the best players.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Have a potential blockbuster lined up, & a philosophical question:

16-team dynasty, SF, IDP, PPR
Team TLaw put him on the block.

We got to chatting, and he expressed interest in the 1.01

I was playing with offers and accidentally submitted one (MFL mobile app + fat finger on the touch screen) & rescinded with a note that it was an accident. Woke up to a note that if I added Lance he’d have to seriously consider it.

So the deal would be
I give: Mayfield+Lance+1.01+Okereke (my LB2)+Greenard (DE4)+Justin Jones (DT3 - we typically only start 1)

I get: Lawrence+1.07


I would use the 1.07 on a WR or RB, BPA to slot in at a flex position. Preferably a RB as I’d have only Hall/AJD, so Charbs would be my target at 7 (unless I could move to 8 & still get him)

The value is probably right - Okereke is worth a late 1st (1.12-1.16-ish) in this format.
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Philosophical question:
I have the IDP depth to make this deal, and I’m not at all attached to Lance or Mayfield.

But I could also simply take the rookie QB1 with the 1.01 pick and keep all of my assets. Or Bijan at 1.01 and run out Fields/Mayfield.

I have a very competitive team. So the question is, is getting Lawrence that much better than drafting Bijan or rookie QB1 at 1.01?

I think the answer is yes - better team around him, zero chance of drafting a bust with 1.01, but I figured I’d run it by y’all.

No guarantee he accepts, but I’d love to have Fields+TLaw as my starting QBs in a 16-team SF. That could be 40-90 points a week in a league were 300+ is usually a win. And they’re 24 & 23 years old respectively.

What say you, sharks?
I (te)bow to your wisdom.

ETA: alternatively, I could ask for Trevor Lawrence, and one of his running backs. He has a few that I would be interested in.

 

[zaner75]

is getting Lawrence that much better than drafting Bijan or rookie QB1 at 1.01?

Yes for me. Lawrence > 1.01. You're consolidating replaceable depth for a premium piece. As for a RB instead of 1.07, I would still lean the pick as that's the last of the top tier, for me, and you could get Gibbs/JSN or trade it OTC for a RB if it's Levis.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

is getting Lawrence that much better than drafting Bijan or rookie QB1 at 1.01?

Yes for me. Lawrence > 1.01. You're consolidating replaceable depth for a premium piece. As for a RB instead of 1.07, I would still lean the pick as that's the last of the top tier, for me, and you could get Gibbs/JSN or trade it OTC for a RB if it's Levis.

Thanks. Leaning towards making the offer. Want to see a couple other replies.

 

[foxco]

I would do that trade for Lawrence. 16 team SF Lawrence is an absolute pillar you build around, more important than any RB IMO. 1.07 gives you flexibility because a lot of QBs will be going early, so you could potentially end up with a Gibbs or JSN, or at the very least the 2nd/3rd WR or 3rd RB.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I would do that trade for Lawrence. 16 team SF Lawrence is an absolute pillar you build around, more important than any RB IMO. 1.07 gives you flexibility because a lot of QBs will be going early, so you could potentially end up with a Gibbs or JSN, or at the very least the 2nd/3rd WR or 3rd RB.

He offered it without the 1.07 but with some scraps

I countered with 1.07

If he balks I’ll try for one of his RB (James Cook maybe)

And if that fails I’ll probably accept as-is. I want TLaw.

 

[rockaction]

I'm sorry, HSG, I just don't know the value of your league from experience.

Okereke is, in my opinion, going to be somewhat of a monster at LB, so that's a nice piece you're giving up in addition to Mayfield and the 1.01 and Lance. Greenard, I roster. That's a throw away, as is your DT.

Just something to think about. I'd probably defer to everyone else and do that deal, though. Lance is going to pop up somewhere down the road, the question is where and how effective he will be.

Bijan is going to be a monster. We know that. Is he enough to compensate, VBD-wise, for Lawrence over your next best starter?

The more I type, even without knowing the format, the more I think T Law is the way to go. It's just...Bijan has McCaffrey-esque scoring ability depending on where he goes.

Good luck. But Okereke is a really solid piece in IDP, at least for this year.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Good luck. But Okereke is a really solid piece in IDP, at least for this year.

I love the dude.

I saw this deal as Okereke + Bijan for TLaw. In a 16 team league I now have Fields + TLaw as arguably the best QB 1-2 punch in the league. And while I agree about Okereke, in performance IDP he’s not quite as good as in tkl heavy leagues. Still a LB1, but back end. Mayfield/Lance are both question marks for the future.

you know I love Bijan - taking him in my rebuild league happily. What finally decided it for me was asking myself if TLaw was in this draft, who would I take 1.01...It was TLaw and not close. League size, positional scarcity, and shelf life. I’m pretty deep at LB - I was irked they bullied David from me even though he’s hella old, but I didn’t see anything I lost as hurting my overall roster except Okereke.

It woulda been nice to have Hall+Bijan and roster 2 of the top dynasty RBs, but yeah, the allure of TLaw was so sexy in such a large league.

But I appreciate your feedback - I was hoping you’d weigh in since you’re one of the few IDPers here.

If it doesn’t work out, I can always try to sell TLaw down the road - I expect his value to hold.

 

[rockaction]

And while I agree about Okereke, in performance IDP he’s not quite as good as in tkl heavy leagues. Still a LB1, but back end.

This is crucial and I thought about it, but plowed ahead with the comment anyway. I was assuming tackle-heavy because that's the league I play in for IDP.

Good stuff on the trade! T Law is the 1.01 over Bijan if you ask me. Especially in a sixteen-team league, if that's the league you're talking about.

With Fields and T Law, you're really ahead of the game. That's two of the top seven quarterbacks in fantasy right now, if you ask me. And Keep Trade Cut has Fields at seven because I just looked after I typed that. And T Law is six. So that's weirdly a good call by me. You're loaded at the position for the time being.

Good show. Good luck.

 

[rockaction]

I was irked they bullied David from me even though he’s hella old, but I didn’t see anything I lost as hurting my overall roster except Okereke.

Lavonte?

They're raiding your linebacker corps! Look out!

JK, that's not a make or break piece. David drops in coverage all the time now and doesn't accumulate many sacks or big plays, never mind tackles.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I was irked they bullied David from me even though he’s hella old, but I didn’t see anything I lost as hurting my overall roster except Okereke.

Lavonte?

They're raiding your linebacker corps! Look out!

JK, that's not a make or break piece. David drops in coverage all the time now and doesn't accumulate many sacks or big plays, never mind tackles.

Exactly

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

And while I agree about Okereke, in performance IDP he’s not quite as good as in tkl heavy leagues. Still a LB1, but back end.

This is crucial and I thought about it, but plowed ahead with the comment anyway. I was assuming tackle-heavy because that's the league I play in for IDP.

Yeah - I mean he's still good, but he doesn't get a lot of TFL and rarely rushes the passer. If he gets a sack it's by accident.

Good stuff on the trade! T Law is the 1.01 over Bijan if you ask me. Especially in a sixteen-team league, if that's the league you're talking about.

It is indeed. I have Fields on my rebuild after recently dealing for him, but in that league I am drafting a rookie QB.

With Fields and T Law, you're really ahead of the game. That's two of the top seven quarterbacks in fantasy right now, if you ask me. And Keep Trade Cut has Fields at seven because I just looked after I typed that. And T Law is six. So that's weirdly a good call by me. You're loaded at the position for the time being.

Good show. Good luck.

Yeah - and only 24 and 23 years old, respectively. Sets me up for a long run of productivity - and like I said, if my team falls short or falls off the map somehow, I can always sell either Fields or TLaw for a king's ransom - arguably more than I just paid, seeing as how I didn't really value Lance or Mayfield (despite recently paying a 2024 2nd and 3rd for Mayfield) - it's the flip that allowed this to happen.

It's funny - my trade partner just way overpaid for Mahomes, and it depleted his team so much he had to deal TLaw to be at all competitive. Never thought I'd have TLaw + Fields in a million years in this huge league. Massive advantage.

Still, I wanted Bijan bad.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

And while I agree about Okereke, in performance IDP he’s not quite as good as in tkl heavy leagues. Still a LB1, but back end.

This is crucial and I thought about it, but plowed ahead with the comment anyway. I was assuming tackle-heavy because that's the league I play in for IDP.

Yeah - I mean he's still good, but he doesn't get a lot of TFL and rarely rushes the passer. If he gets a sack it's by accident.

Good stuff on the trade! T Law is the 1.01 over Bijan if you ask me. Especially in a sixteen-team league, if that's the league you're talking about.

It is indeed. I have Fields on my rebuild after recently dealing for him, but in that league I am drafting a rookie QB.

With Fields and T Law, you're really ahead of the game. That's two of the top seven quarterbacks in fantasy right now, if you ask me. And Keep Trade Cut has Fields at seven because I just looked after I typed that. And T Law is six. So that's weirdly a good call by me. You're loaded at the position for the time being.

Good show. Good luck.

Yeah - and only 24 and 23 years old, respectively. Sets me up for a long run of productivity - and like I said, if my team falls short or falls off the map somehow, I can always sell either Fields or TLaw for a king's ransom - arguably more than I just paid, seeing as how I didn't really value Lance or Mayfield (despite recently paying a 2024 2nd and 3rd for Mayfield) - it's the flip that allowed this to happen.

It's funny - my trade partner just way overpaid for Mahomes, and it depleted his team so much he had to deal TLaw to be at all competitive. Never thought I'd have TLaw + Fields in a million years in this huge league. Massive advantage.

Still, I wanted Bijan bad.

In a 16 team SF league, those two QBs give you a heavy advantage for years. YEARS! I traded for both at the start of last season when there was a LOT more risk involved (and less cost), but they are the future of the league at QB IMO. I'd say well done, especially if you ended up getting the 1.07 in the deal.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

And while I agree about Okereke, in performance IDP he’s not quite as good as in tkl heavy leagues. Still a LB1, but back end.

This is crucial and I thought about it, but plowed ahead with the comment anyway. I was assuming tackle-heavy because that's the league I play in for IDP.

Yeah - I mean he's still good, but he doesn't get a lot of TFL and rarely rushes the passer. If he gets a sack it's by accident.

Good stuff on the trade! T Law is the 1.01 over Bijan if you ask me. Especially in a sixteen-team league, if that's the league you're talking about.

It is indeed. I have Fields on my rebuild after recently dealing for him, but in that league I am drafting a rookie QB.

With Fields and T Law, you're really ahead of the game. That's two of the top seven quarterbacks in fantasy right now, if you ask me. And Keep Trade Cut has Fields at seven because I just looked after I typed that. And T Law is six. So that's weirdly a good call by me. You're loaded at the position for the time being.

Good show. Good luck.

Yeah - and only 24 and 23 years old, respectively. Sets me up for a long run of productivity - and like I said, if my team falls short or falls off the map somehow, I can always sell either Fields or TLaw for a king's ransom - arguably more than I just paid, seeing as how I didn't really value Lance or Mayfield (despite recently paying a 2024 2nd and 3rd for Mayfield) - it's the flip that allowed this to happen.

It's funny - my trade partner just way overpaid for Mahomes, and it depleted his team so much he had to deal TLaw to be at all competitive. Never thought I'd have TLaw + Fields in a million years in this huge league. Massive advantage.

Still, I wanted Bijan bad.

In a 16 team SF league, those two QBs give you a heavy advantage for years. YEARS! I traded for both at the start of last season when there was a LOT more risk involved (and less cost), but they are the future of the league at QB IMO. I'd say well done, especially if you ended up getting the 1.07 in the deal.

Alas, he balked at 1.07, but knew I needed a RB, so we met in the middle with James Cook.

I got a little depth behind Hall/AJD, but TLaw was the prize.

And yes - the longevity of the position was the deciding factor for me. Bijan is sexy as hell and I’m excited to have him on my rebuilding (rebuilt) team. But in a league this size I just couldn’t pass up the chance at TLaw/Fields.

It wasn’t cheap, especially when you consider I paid:
Swift+Purdy+Skyy for 1.01 (still a bargain)
2024 2nd+2024 3rd for Baker

So all told TLaw was insanely expensive. But somehow still didn’t hurt me too badly to get him. Lots of peripheral pieces and pieces of “eye of the beholder” value like Lance.

Can’t believe I got this one done. If I win a ship it’ll all be worth it.

 

[rockaction]

Swift+Purdy+Skyy for 1.01 (still a bargain)
2024 2nd+2024 3rd for Baker

If you didn't know Bijan was the 1.01, you'd consider this grand theft. As it is, still theft. (The total package, that is.)

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Swift+Purdy+Skyy for 1.01 (still a bargain)
2024 2nd+2024 3rd for Baker

If you didn't know Bijan was the 1.01, you'd consider this grand theft. As it is, still theft. (The total package, that is.)

I was feeling like I overpaid, so thank you for that.

Honestly in a league this size value is so hard to determine. Scarcity everywhere. Very few complete teams.

This definitely puts me in contention for a title.

 

[rockaction]

This definitely puts me in contention for a title.

Like I said, I only play redraft SF, so I'm not the best guy to hang your hat on, but this sentence that I quoted is really all you need to know, isn't it? Swift, Bijan, Skyy, Purdy, Mayfield, and Lance aren't getting you there, most likely.

 

[TartanLion]

And while I agree about Okereke, in performance IDP he’s not quite as good as in tkl heavy leagues. Still a LB1, but back end.

This is crucial and I thought about it, but plowed ahead with the comment anyway. I was assuming tackle-heavy because that's the league I play in for IDP.

Yeah - I mean he's still good, but he doesn't get a lot of TFL and rarely rushes the passer. If he gets a sack it's by accident.

Good stuff on the trade! T Law is the 1.01 over Bijan if you ask me. Especially in a sixteen-team league, if that's the league you're talking about.

It is indeed. I have Fields on my rebuild after recently dealing for him, but in that league I am drafting a rookie QB.

With Fields and T Law, you're really ahead of the game. That's two of the top seven quarterbacks in fantasy right now, if you ask me. And Keep Trade Cut has Fields at seven because I just looked after I typed that. And T Law is six. So that's weirdly a good call by me. You're loaded at the position for the time being.

Good show. Good luck.

Yeah - and only 24 and 23 years old, respectively. Sets me up for a long run of productivity - and like I said, if my team falls short or falls off the map somehow, I can always sell either Fields or TLaw for a king's ransom - arguably more than I just paid, seeing as how I didn't really value Lance or Mayfield (despite recently paying a 2024 2nd and 3rd for Mayfield) - it's the flip that allowed this to happen.

It's funny - my trade partner just way overpaid for Mahomes, and it depleted his team so much he had to deal TLaw to be at all competitive. Never thought I'd have TLaw + Fields in a million years in this huge league. Massive advantage.

Still, I wanted Bijan bad.

In a 16 team SF league, those two QBs give you a heavy advantage for years. YEARS! I traded for both at the start of last season when there was a LOT more risk involved (and less cost), but they are the future of the league at QB IMO. I'd say well done, especially if you ended up getting the 1.07 in the deal.

Alas, he balked at 1.07, but knew I needed a RB, so we met in the middle with James Cook.

I got a little depth behind Hall/AJD, but TLaw was the prize.

And yes - the longevity of the position was the deciding factor for me. Bijan is sexy as hell and I’m excited to have him on my rebuilding (rebuilt) team. But in a league this size I just couldn’t pass up the chance at TLaw/Fields.

It wasn’t cheap, especially when you consider I paid:
Swift+Purdy+Skyy for 1.01 (still a bargain)
2024 2nd+2024 3rd for Baker

So all told TLaw was insanely expensive. But somehow still didn’t hurt me too badly to get him. Lots of peripheral pieces and pieces of “eye of the beholder” value like Lance.

Can’t believe I got this one done. If I win a ship it’ll all be worth it.

Late to this but you did the right thing. 16 teamer and you have 2 x top 7 QBs. I’ve got the 1.01 in a superFlex and I’m biding my time with it but my first plan is to try and use it to extract Fields from a middling team that has Fields and Watson. I’ll also try for Watson most likely if can’t agree Fields, but I have Hurts so the prospect of melting faces with Hurts and Fields rushing is too mouth watering. Lawrence and Fields is a deadly combo all going well, congrats

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Lawrence and Fields is a deadly combo all going well, congrats

Thanks.

FWIW, Resulting lineup:
QB - TLaw
SF - Fields
RB - Hall, AJ Dillon, James Cook
WR - Higgins, Aiyuk, Bateman (Mooney, G.Davis, Davis, Mims, couple scrubs)
TE - Schultz, Kmet (couple scrubs)
K - foot/leg
11x IDP (above average)

My 2nd year in this league - going from the hunted to the hunter.

ETA: there’s also a little value in not stressing what to do at 1.01 - it was maddening. Take a QB or take Bijan. Just an impossible decision. Letting Bijan fall and taking a bust would be the worst.

I am far less stressed not having to make that call at 1.01, tbh.

 

[smbkrypt24]

Lawrence and Fields is a deadly combo all going well, congrats

Thanks.

FWIW, Resulting lineup:
QB - TLaw
SF - Fields
RB - Hall, AJ Dillon, James Cook
WR - Higgins, Aiyuk, Bateman (Mooney, G.Davis, Davis, Mims, couple scrubs)
TE - Schultz, Kmet (couple scrubs)
K - foot/leg
11x IDP (above average)

My 2nd year in this league - going from the hunted to the hunter.

ETA: there’s also a little value in not stressing what to do at 1.01 - it was maddening. Take a QB or take Bijan. Just an impossible decision. Letting Bijan fall and taking a bust would be the worst.

I am far less stressed not having to make that call at 1.01, tbh.

Bijan was the easy pick there.
Seems you are building up that decision now that you traded the pick away.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Lawrence and Fields is a deadly combo all going well, congrats

Thanks.

FWIW, Resulting lineup:
QB - TLaw
SF - Fields
RB - Hall, AJ Dillon, James Cook
WR - Higgins, Aiyuk, Bateman (Mooney, G.Davis, Davis, Mims, couple scrubs)
TE - Schultz, Kmet (couple scrubs)
K - foot/leg
11x IDP (above average)

My 2nd year in this league - going from the hunted to the hunter.

ETA: there’s also a little value in not stressing what to do at 1.01 - it was maddening. Take a QB or take Bijan. Just an impossible decision. Letting Bijan fall and taking a bust would be the worst.

I am far less stressed not having to make that call at 1.01, tbh.

Bijan was the easy pick there.
Seems you are building up that decision now that you traded the pick away.

Not sure I follow you.

I would have taken Bijan - yes. that’s why I dealt for Mayfield.

But since Mayfield is a shaky QB2 (and Lance impossible to rely on) when Lawrence became available I went all-in.

And I’d rather have TLaw than either Bijan or Stroud/Young/ARich

Like I said - it came down to the question of what was best for my team long-term. I would love to have Bijan - but I have 3 decent RB for a 16-team league. Having 2x top 7 (or better) QB is easily the best long-term choice.

But yeah - if you’re saying I was building up to taking Bijan had I not made this deal, you’re absolutely correct. It just worked out fortunate that the deal for Baker made the TLaw deal possible. My trade partner wouldn’t have done it for that package with Lance alone. He told me that by chat.

So only by flipping both the 1.01 & Mayfield was I able to get TLaw.

Never in a million years did I expect this to be my off-season outcome. I thought Mayfield was my Grand finale before the NFL draft in this league.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

What's the going value on 2023 1.02 these days in SF? Been considering offering it up to another owner in my league who has 1.04 and 1.08. This is a full-on rebuild where I've got the QB position locked down and need RB/WR for the flex positions.

 

[titusbramble]

Do you know what the #1 guy is likely to pick and whether it's Bijan or not Bijan?

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

Do you know what the #1 guy is likely to pick and whether it's Bijan or not Bijan?

The current 1.01 holder is QB bare. My gut tells me a QB will be taken, but he's at 1.01 for a reason...
Either way, I'll likely hold the 1.02 until after the first pick is made in case Bijan falls into my lap or someone offers up something crazy.

 

[farfromforgotten]

Do you know what the #1 guy is likely to pick and whether it's Bijan or not Bijan?

The current 1.01 holder is QB bare. My gut tells me a QB will be taken, but he's at 1.01 for a reason...
Either way, I'll likely hold the 1.02 until after the first pick is made in case Bijan falls into my lap or someone offers up something crazy.

I don’t believe that I’ve seen a single mock in which Bijan was not the #1 overall pick. If I were in your position and believed that there was any chance that Bijan might not be selected at 1.01 I’d try and make a move for that pick in order to lock him in.

 

[titusbramble]

Do you know what the #1 guy is likely to pick and whether it's Bijan or not Bijan?

The current 1.01 holder is QB bare. My gut tells me a QB will be taken, but he's at 1.01 for a reason...
Either way, I'll likely hold the 1.02 until after the first pick is made in case Bijan falls into my lap or someone offers up something crazy.

Seems right - I have the 1.04, if I also had the 1.08 I'd snap offer both for Bijan (probably with an additional throw in), but for my choice of QB I'd rather sit back, take whichever of the three falls to me and then go RB/WR (probably receiver) at 1.08

 

[Jayded]

I’m now hunting around a few injured guys and curious how their injuries have impacted their value.

How do you see these two guys:

John Metchie
Javonte Williams

On the Williams side, I’m interested especially in his value relative to someone like Swift who is also often injured but not the significant knee injury Williams saw. Feel like I might be able to get one of Williams/Swift in a deal and trying to assess value there in particular, but I also know I have a fantasy lens of grabbing guys like this with hopes they become or return to what they could be/were.

 

[Spookytooth]

What pick this year or next year is Trey mcbride worth

 

[Blick]

What pick this year or next year is Trey mcbride worth

I'd probably want Kincaid, Mayer, and Washington over him. So depending on your league, that probably puts him at the end of the 2nd/early 2rd?

 

[Birdie048]

I’m now hunting around a few injured guys and curious how their injuries have impacted their value.

How do you see these two guys:

John Metchie
Javonte Williams

On the Williams side, I’m interested especially in his value relative to someone like Swift who is also often injured but not the significant knee injury Williams saw. Feel like I might be able to get one of Williams/Swift in a deal and trying to assess value there in particular, but I also know I have a fantasy lens of grabbing guys like this with hopes they become or return to what they could be/were.

Okay ... both their status's are very different... and in my eyes are very different.

Hou WR John Metchie has lukemia (acute promyeloctic lukemia) - he is currently on track to return and participate in the "off season program" this season. Hou used pick #44 (WR8)
I have him as a hold on my roster. Value wise he is a complete crap-shoot since Hou picked up cast off Dallas WR Noah Brown (UDFA) and still has Nico Collins and signed Devin Singletary & TE Dalton Shultz. I think an early 3rd value to target him would be reasonable. I would not take it as I see him as a target to acquire, but I am in rebuild mode ...

Den RB Javonte Williams - major knee damage has him on my avoid list - ACL, LCL, PLC all torn. It will require extensive rehab and he is unlikely to return until mid-season at best. If he has to have additional surgery add a few weeks. A report I read (Jan 2023) cited his damage was worse than JK Dobbins and Javonte might not ever be the same. The total destruction was potential career ending (not sure if he was speculating here) ... and the news out of Denver has been sparse. In Feb, GM Paton said he was recovering well and looking like Week 1 possible ... then a week later he was hesitant and non-committal to returning at the start of the season. If you feel he will return... tender your offer to compensate for that with the risk of not playing until 2024 (and by then it could be RBBC again). Most owners won't sell for less than a late 1st. I don't want to spend that for the high risk potential. I have too many needs to burn a late 1st. RE: Swift, I think he is a better 2023 value even with Monty in Det. I like Swift to retain his 12-15 touches/game and maintain similar performance (fantasy wise).

 

[ghostguy123]

Do you know what the #1 guy is likely to pick and whether it's Bijan or not Bijan?

The current 1.01 holder is QB bare. My gut tells me a QB will be taken, but he's at 1.01 for a reason...
Either way, I'll likely hold the 1.02 until after the first pick is made in case Bijan falls into my lap or someone offers up something crazy.

So move up to 1 from 2, sell him on getting himself a QB at 2 plus a little extra from you

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

Do you know what the #1 guy is likely to pick and whether it's Bijan or not Bijan?

The current 1.01 holder is QB bare. My gut tells me a QB will be taken, but he's at 1.01 for a reason...
Either way, I'll likely hold the 1.02 until after the first pick is made in case Bijan falls into my lap or someone offers up something crazy.

So move up to 1 from 2, sell him on getting himself a QB at 2 plus a little extra from you

I think I'd rather stand at 1.02. If he takes Bijan, I can trade down to the 1.04 or 1.05 range (with a kicker) to one of the other QB needy teams in the league.

 

[ghostguy123]

Do you know what the #1 guy is likely to pick and whether it's Bijan or not Bijan?

The current 1.01 holder is QB bare. My gut tells me a QB will be taken, but he's at 1.01 for a reason...
Either way, I'll likely hold the 1.02 until after the first pick is made in case Bijan falls into my lap or someone offers up something crazy.

So move up to 1 from 2, sell him on getting himself a QB at 2 plus a little extra from you

I think I'd rather stand at 1.02. If he takes Bijan, I can trade down to the 1.04 or 1.05 range (with a kicker) to one of the other QB needy teams in the league.

The value difference between Bijan and the other RBs is enormous.
I'd rather get the far and away best player that is also my biggest need than hope and pray I can make other moves

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

Do you know what the #1 guy is likely to pick and whether it's Bijan or not Bijan?

The current 1.01 holder is QB bare. My gut tells me a QB will be taken, but he's at 1.01 for a reason...
Either way, I'll likely hold the 1.02 until after the first pick is made in case Bijan falls into my lap or someone offers up something crazy.

So move up to 1 from 2, sell him on getting himself a QB at 2 plus a little extra from you

I think I'd rather stand at 1.02. If he takes Bijan, I can trade down to the 1.04 or 1.05 range (with a kicker) to one of the other QB needy teams in the league.

The value difference between Bijan and the other RBs is enormous.
I'd rather get the far and away best player that is also my biggest need than hope and pray I can make other moves

Taking your advice, I just offered the 1.02 and 2.04 for the 1.01 and it was accepted. Nice call.

 

[farfromforgotten]

Do you know what the #1 guy is likely to pick and whether it's Bijan or not Bijan?

The current 1.01 holder is QB bare. My gut tells me a QB will be taken, but he's at 1.01 for a reason...
Either way, I'll likely hold the 1.02 until after the first pick is made in case Bijan falls into my lap or someone offers up something crazy.

I don’t believe that I’ve seen a single mock in which Bijan was not the #1 overall pick. If I were in your position and believed that there was any chance that Bijan might not be selected at 1.01 I’d try and make a move for that pick in order to lock him in.

What am I, invisible here?

Nice move, IDWT! That’s a steal for Bijan.

 

[InDitkaWeTrust]

Do you know what the #1 guy is likely to pick and whether it's Bijan or not Bijan?

The current 1.01 holder is QB bare. My gut tells me a QB will be taken, but he's at 1.01 for a reason...
Either way, I'll likely hold the 1.02 until after the first pick is made in case Bijan falls into my lap or someone offers up something crazy.

I don’t believe that I’ve seen a single mock in which Bijan was not the #1 overall pick. If I were in your position and believed that there was any chance that Bijan might not be selected at 1.01 I’d try and make a move for that pick in order to lock him in.

What am I, invisible here?

Nice move, IDWT! That’s a steal for Bijan.

Lol. Thanks for the motivation!

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

I’m now hunting around a few injured guys and curious how their injuries have impacted their value.

How do you see these two guys:

John Metchie
Javonte Williams

On the Williams side, I’m interested especially in his value relative to someone like Swift who is also often injured but not the significant knee injury Williams saw. Feel like I might be able to get one of Williams/Swift in a deal and trying to assess value there in particular, but I also know I have a fantasy lens of grabbing guys like this with hopes they become or return to what they could be/were.

I tried dealing for Metchie in both of my dynasty leagues & was basically told he was untouchable.

Both paid a high draft price for him, and they aren't willing to sell for less than they drafted him after holding him for a year while he recovered.

I offered 2.06 for him in one league & instant rejection with comment.
Offered 2.09+3.07 for him in another and was rejected as well with similar comment.

He's just one of those guys who's tough to deal for - his shareholders know what they paid, it wasn't that long ago, and they see him as worth what they paid if he comes back 100%, which the news seems to indicate he will.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Do you know what the #1 guy is likely to pick and whether it's Bijan or not Bijan?

The current 1.01 holder is QB bare. My gut tells me a QB will be taken, but he's at 1.01 for a reason...
Either way, I'll likely hold the 1.02 until after the first pick is made in case Bijan falls into my lap or someone offers up something crazy.

So move up to 1 from 2, sell him on getting himself a QB at 2 plus a little extra from you

I think I'd rather stand at 1.02. If he takes Bijan, I can trade down to the 1.04 or 1.05 range (with a kicker) to one of the other QB needy teams in the league.

The value difference between Bijan and the other RBs is enormous.
I'd rather get the far and away best player that is also my biggest need than hope and pray I can make other moves

Taking your advice, I just offered the 1.02 and 2.04 for the 1.01 and it was accepted. Nice call.

Not going out on a limb, but that has to be considered a very rare lowball acceptance by a 1.01 holder who is completely clueless as to what 1.01 was worth.

I would put no stock into that deal in terms of the dynasty valuation of the 1.01. Got lucky as hell, really.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Lol. Thanks for the motivation!

I don't know how you'll sleep at night. I'd be racked with guilt.

 

[-OZ-]

Have a potential blockbuster lined up, & a philosophical question:

16-team dynasty, SF, IDP, PPR
Team TLaw put him on the block.

We got to chatting, and he expressed interest in the 1.01

I was playing with offers and accidentally submitted one (MFL mobile app + fat finger on the touch screen) & rescinded with a note that it was an accident. Woke up to a note that if I added Lance he’d have to seriously consider it.

So the deal would be
I give: Mayfield+Lance+1.01+Okereke (my LB2)+Greenard (DE4)+Justin Jones (DT3 - we typically only start 1)

I get: Lawrence+1.07


I would use the 1.07 on a WR or RB, BPA to slot in at a flex position. Preferably a RB as I’d have only Hall/AJD, so Charbs would be my target at 7 (unless I could move to 8 & still get him)

The value is probably right - Okereke is worth a late 1st (1.12-1.16-ish) in this format.
——————————
Philosophical question:
I have the IDP depth to make this deal, and I’m not at all attached to Lance or Mayfield.

But I could also simply take the rookie QB1 with the 1.01 pick and keep all of my assets. Or Bijan at 1.01 and run out Fields/Mayfield.

I have a very competitive team. So the question is, is getting Lawrence that much better than drafting Bijan or rookie QB1 at 1.01?

I think the answer is yes - better team around him, zero chance of drafting a bust with 1.01, but I figured I’d run it by y’all.

No guarantee he accepts, but I’d love to have Fields+TLaw as my starting QBs in a 16-team SF. That could be 40-90 points a week in a league were 300+ is usually a win. And they’re 24 & 23 years old respectively.

What say you, sharks?
I (te)bow to your wisdom.

ETA: alternatively, I could ask for Trevor Lawrence, and one of his running backs. He has a few that I would be interested in.

Easy yes imo.

 

[-OZ-]

Do you know what the #1 guy is likely to pick and whether it's Bijan or not Bijan?

The current 1.01 holder is QB bare. My gut tells me a QB will be taken, but he's at 1.01 for a reason...
Either way, I'll likely hold the 1.02 until after the first pick is made in case Bijan falls into my lap or someone offers up something crazy.

So move up to 1 from 2, sell him on getting himself a QB at 2 plus a little extra from you

I think I'd rather stand at 1.02. If he takes Bijan, I can trade down to the 1.04 or 1.05 range (with a kicker) to one of the other QB needy teams in the league.

The value difference between Bijan and the other RBs is enormous.
I'd rather get the far and away best player that is also my biggest need than hope and pray I can make other moves

Taking your advice, I just offered the 1.02 and 2.04 for the 1.01 and it was accepted. Nice call.

Not going out on a limb, but that has to be considered a very rare lowball acceptance by a 1.01 holder who is completely clueless as to what 1.01 was worth.

I would put no stock into that deal in terms of the dynasty valuation of the 1.01. Got lucky as hell, really.

I kinda get it in SF.

 

[-OZ-]

Price check on Kyler Murray in SF?
Current QBs are Watson, tannehill, Carr, Lance, Darnold, willis. Have the 1.12 and my RBs and WRs are strong enough to keep me in contention with okay QB play.
What’s he been going for, if someone were to take the chance?

 

[titusbramble]

I think even in SF with a QB need I would just take Bijan then immediately place him on the block

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Easy yes imo.

Thanks - ended up getting it done for TLaw + James Cook

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Price check on Kyler Murray in SF?

I checked on him. Manager wanted a lot.

More than I ended up paying for Fields. I think I offered 1.03, 1.08, & 2.01 in SF?

He wanted 1.02, 1.04 and 1.10

Hard pass.

 

[JoeJoe88]

Price check on Kyler Murray in SF?

I checked on him. Manager wanted a lot.

More than I ended up paying for Fields. I think I offered 1.03, 1.08, & 2.01 in SF?

He wanted 1.02, 1.04 and 1.10

Hard pass.

I’ll be honest with you…I think I’d be hesitant to offer the 1.02 alone. I’ve soured quite a bit on Kyler between his attitude, injuries and inconsistent play.

I’d definitely rather have Stroud over him, and I might would take Bryce as well.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Price check on Kyler Murray in SF?

I checked on him. Manager wanted a lot.

More than I ended up paying for Fields. I think I offered 1.03, 1.08, & 2.01 in SF?

He wanted 1.02, 1.04 and 1.10

Hard pass.

I’ll be honest with you…I think I’d be hesitant to offer the 1.02 alone. I’ve soured quite a bit on Kyler between his attitude, injuries and inconsistent play.

I’d definitely rather have Stroud over him, and I might would take Bryce as well.

Yeah - it was more me sniffing it out and throwing out suggestions. His suggestion of 1.02 ++ ended the discussion.

 

[Lehigh98]

Is there anything more aggravating than trying to trade into a dispersal draft and being ignored and/or rejected without counter as teams' make bad picks and value is tantalizingly dropping?