Ebola (1 Viewer)

[TheIronSheik]

I saw this on Reddit yesterday. Its very interesting IMO

Chart of what we're afraid of vs. what actually kills us: http://i.imgur.com/oI6An6s.png

Spiders & Wasps? Seems like an odd grouping.

Drowning Spiders and Wasps

It does kind of look like that. But they really put Spiders & Wasps as a category. Just seems incredibly strange.

 

[Fennis]

I saw this on Reddit yesterday. Its very interesting IMO

Chart of what we're afraid of vs. what actually kills us: http://i.imgur.com/oI6An6s.png

Spiders & Wasps? Seems like an odd grouping.

Drowning Spiders and Wasps

It does kind of look like that. But they really put Spiders & Wasps as a category. Just seems incredibly strange.

Its the Internet, I assume its probably either inaccurate data or made up anyway. But the logic holds.

 

[SacramentoBob]

I'm afraid of wasps, but not most spiders.

 

[Fennis]

I'm afraid of wasps, but not most spiders.

how about malpractice?

 

[Ditka Butkus]

It amazes me that all of the Ebola naysayers are still on here instead of in West Africa helping those poor Ebola victims.....They seem like the most qualified candidates, with their complete lack of fear for this disease and all.....Or how about volunteering for bed pan duty at the hospitals where our Ebola patients are. You all could be put to good use right about now I hear they are having a hard time getting their medical staff to come to work.

It hurts when you say mean things.

Have you got those numbers yet on how many people have survived Ebola without medical attention?

 

[Fennis]

It amazes me that all of the Ebola naysayers are still on here instead of in West Africa helping those poor Ebola victims.....They seem like the most qualified candidates, with their complete lack of fear for this disease and all.....Or how about volunteering for bed pan duty at the hospitals where our Ebola patients are. You all could be put to good use right about now I hear they are having a hard time getting their medical staff to come to work.

It hurts when you say mean things.

Have you got those numbers yet on how many people have survived Ebola without medical attention?

found it

1,956

 

[Apple Jack]

I would totally do that nurse in Maine.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

It amazes me that all of the Ebola naysayers are still on here instead of in West Africa helping those poor Ebola victims.....They seem like the most qualified candidates, with their complete lack of fear for this disease and all.....Or how about volunteering for bed pan duty at the hospitals where our Ebola patients are. You all could be put to good use right about now I hear they are having a hard time getting their medical staff to come to work.

It hurts when you say mean things.

Have you got those numbers yet on how many people have survived Ebola without medical attention?

found it

1,956

Yeah ....I'll take that as a no.

 

[matuski]

It amazes me that all of the Ebola naysayers are still on here instead of in West Africa helping those poor Ebola victims.....They seem like the most qualified candidates, with their complete lack of fear for this disease and all.....Or how about volunteering for bed pan duty at the hospitals where our Ebola patients are. You all could be put to good use right about now I hear they are having a hard time getting their medical staff to come to work.

It hurts when you say mean things.

Have you got those numbers yet on how many people have survived Ebola without medical attention?

Your angry is misplaced.

 

[shader]

http://www.latimes.com/world/africa/la-fg-who-ebola-numbers-20141029-story.html

Ebola numbers jump to 13,703

 

[Fennis]

http://www.latimes.com/world/africa/la-fg-who-ebola-numbers-20141029-story.html

Ebola numbers jump to 13,703

Dr. Bruce Aylward, assistant director-general of the WHO, said the big increase in cases is likely because of previous under-reporting

 

[Ditka Butkus]

http://www.latimes.com/world/africa/la-fg-who-ebola-numbers-20141029-story.html

Ebola numbers jump to 13,703

Thank you for the information.....but it is my understanding we have absolutely nothing to worry about...Oh by the way did I read that right that it is a 30% jump in 4 days...

 

[Fennis]

http://www.latimes.com/world/africa/la-fg-who-ebola-numbers-20141029-story.html

Ebola numbers jump to 13,703

Thank you for the information.....but it is my understanding we have absolutely nothing to worry about...Oh by the way did I read that right that it is a 30% jump in 4 days...

if that was your conclusion, you read it wrong

 

[shader]

http://www.latimes.com/world/africa/la-fg-who-ebola-numbers-20141029-story.html

Ebola numbers jump to 13,703

Dr. Bruce Aylward, assistant director-general of the WHO, said the big increase in cases is likely because of previous under-reporting

Hopefully this is true. Supposedly things are getting better in Liberia, which is good news.

If this thing explodes to the 20-30k mark, it's going to be tough to stop without bolting down the borders of those West African countries, which I think is coming.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

It amazes me that all of the Ebola naysayers are still on here instead of in West Africa helping those poor Ebola victims.....They seem like the most qualified candidates, with their complete lack of fear for this disease and all.....Or how about volunteering for bed pan duty at the hospitals where our Ebola patients are. You all could be put to good use right about now I hear they are having a hard time getting their medical staff to come to work.

It hurts when you say mean things.

Have you got those numbers yet on how many people have survived Ebola without medical attention?

Your angry is misplaced.

your sarcasm is a bore...

 

[Josie Maran]

http://www.latimes.com/world/africa/la-fg-who-ebola-numbers-20141029-story.html

Ebola numbers jump to 13,703

Thank you for the information.....but it is my understanding we have absolutely nothing to worry about...Oh by the way did I read that right that it is a 30% jump in 4 days...

Your pant####ting is quite amusing. Thank you.

 

[shader]

http://www.latimes.com/world/africa/la-fg-who-ebola-numbers-20141029-story.html

Ebola numbers jump to 13,703

Thank you for the information.....but it is my understanding we have absolutely nothing to worry about...Oh by the way did I read that right that it is a 30% jump in 4 days...

It's quite an alarming jump. If it's because of underreporting, than that's good news.

But all we can go by is the numbers they give us. And they have followed a steady rise. If these numbers are right, we should expect to hear numbers in the 15-17K mark in a week or so. Wasn't it about a week ago that Tim and me were arguing about whether the growth from 4-5K to 9k was exponential? Maybe that was a week and a half ago, I'm not sure.

This thing has been doubling every 3-4 weeks. If the WHO reports 12000 cases in 2 weeks, than perhaps we will have turned the corner. If the cases are at 17k in 2 weeks, than we are just continuing down a scary path.

 

[Fennis]

http://www.latimes.com/world/africa/la-fg-who-ebola-numbers-20141029-story.html

Ebola numbers jump to 13,703

Dr. Bruce Aylward, assistant director-general of the WHO, said the big increase in cases is likely because of previous under-reporting

Hopefully this is true. Supposedly things are getting better in Liberia, which is good news.

If this thing explodes to the 20-30k mark, it's going to be tough to stop without bolting down the borders of those West African countries, which I think is coming.

It doesnt feel like enough is being done to control it in West Africa still. Not sure what the response will be, but I think bolting down the borders will be extremely hard to enforce in these countries. You can stop flights easily enough, but not sure how you stop effectively people from leaving to the bordering countries.

 

[Apple Jack]

It amazes me that all of the Ebola naysayers are still on here instead of in West Africa helping those poor Ebola victims.....They seem like the most qualified candidates, with their complete lack of fear for this disease and all.....Or how about volunteering for bed pan duty at the hospitals where our Ebola patients are. You all could be put to good use right about now I hear they are having a hard time getting their medical staff to come to work.

It hurts when you say mean things.

Have you got those numbers yet on how many people have survived Ebola without medical attention?

Your angry is misplaced.

But not without comedic value.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

http://www.latimes.com/world/africa/la-fg-who-ebola-numbers-20141029-story.html

Ebola numbers jump to 13,703

Thank you for the information.....but it is my understanding we have absolutely nothing to worry about...Oh by the way did I read that right that it is a 30% jump in 4 days...

It's quite an alarming jump. If it's because of underreporting, than that's good news.

But all we can go by is the numbers they give us. And they have followed a steady rise. If these numbers are right, we should expect to hear numbers in the 15-17K mark in a week or so. Wasn't it about a week ago that Tim and me were arguing about whether the growth from 4-5K to 9k was exponential? Maybe that was a week and a half ago, I'm not sure.

This thing has been doubling every 3-4 weeks. If the WHO reports 12000 cases in 2 weeks, than perhaps we will have turned the corner. If the cases are at 17k in 2 weeks, than we are just continuing down a scary path.

Also what I don't think Tim and others understand is that yeah it looks like we can handle a few cases at a time....Previous survivors blood plasma, experimental drugs and such....but what happens if instead of a handful it is a few hundred...I would imagine things get much tougher ..short on blood plasma and experimental drugs....That is why to me it only makes sense to quarantine...There has been talk of a vaccine being close..quarantines would hopefully buy the time we need.

 

[shader]

http://www.latimes.com/world/africa/la-fg-who-ebola-numbers-20141029-story.html

Ebola numbers jump to 13,703

Dr. Bruce Aylward, assistant director-general of the WHO, said the big increase in cases is likely because of previous under-reporting

Hopefully this is true. Supposedly things are getting better in Liberia, which is good news.

If this thing explodes to the 20-30k mark, it's going to be tough to stop without bolting down the borders of those West African countries, which I think is coming.

It doesnt feel like enough is being done to control it in West Africa still. Not sure what the response will be, but I think bolting down the borders will be extremely hard to enforce in these countries. You can stop flights easily enough, but not sure how you stop effectively people from leaving to the bordering countries.

I agree. It's a tough spot. I think the ebola scares in this country are a huge distraction from the real issue in Africa.

The real problem comes if you have 100,000 cases or even if you get into the millions. Then it's going to take a huge military involvement of the world to lock down the borders and keep this from going to truly scary areas like Nigeria.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

It amazes me that all of the Ebola naysayers are still on here instead of in West Africa helping those poor Ebola victims.....They seem like the most qualified candidates, with their complete lack of fear for this disease and all.....Or how about volunteering for bed pan duty at the hospitals where our Ebola patients are. You all could be put to good use right about now I hear they are having a hard time getting their medical staff to come to work.

It hurts when you say mean things.

Have you got those numbers yet on how many people have survived Ebola without medical attention?

Your angry is misplaced.

But not without comedic value.

Have you added anything of value to this thread ...You are good at taking cheap shots....Come up with something else...

 

[sn0mm1s]

I saw this on Reddit yesterday. Its very interesting IMO

Chart of what we're afraid of vs. what actually kills us: http://i.imgur.com/oI6An6s.png

Considering malpractice is essentially not performing/conforming to proper procedures I think my stance of not wanting Ebola patients in your average hospital perfectly reasonable.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

http://www.latimes.com/world/africa/la-fg-who-ebola-numbers-20141029-story.html

Ebola numbers jump to 13,703

Dr. Bruce Aylward, assistant director-general of the WHO, said the big increase in cases is likely because of previous under-reporting

Hopefully this is true. Supposedly things are getting better in Liberia, which is good news.

If this thing explodes to the 20-30k mark, it's going to be tough to stop without bolting down the borders of those West African countries, which I think is coming.

It doesnt feel like enough is being done to control it in West Africa still. Not sure what the response will be, but I think bolting down the borders will be extremely hard to enforce in these countries. You can stop flights easily enough, but not sure how you stop effectively people from leaving to the bordering countries.

Do you have a running tally of how many people are being monitored for Ebola? I know of 84 in Dallas, 105 in PA, a bunch in Ohio, 10 in Michigan, 2 in CA, all at different risk levels. I could not find the country-wide data.

 

[jon_mx]

Ditka Butkis please explain: if the flu is more contagious than Ebola, and kills many more people than Ebola (in ratios of thousands to one) then why not quarantine anyone who doesn't get a flu shot?

No offense but the flu argument is silly....Most can and have survived the flu many times with zero medical attention ..How many people have survived Ebola without medical attention..

ask the 40,000 people who die every year of flu how silly it is,

The flu is very rarely listed as the cause of death. It plays a contributing role. The CDC comes up with a number they call flu-related death. The death rate for the flu is about 0.05%. A complete recovery after a few days rest without any need for hospitalization or medicine.

Despite the completely meaningless statistical calculation thrown out in this thread, the death rate from Ebola is somewhere between 30-70% or about 1000 times deadlier than the flu. Ebola has the potential to wipe out 10-20% of the entire population of West Africa. Hopefully the current efforts will greatly reduce that number. Ebola is not a theat here because we are aware, we are pro-active, and we are will to spend $1 million per case to treat and isolate the victims. Some actions by the governors or the Army may be a bit anal, but it will lower the risk of any one here getting Ebola from very low to very very very low.

 

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I'll just leave this here - Seems Pertinent

 

[Fennis]

Ditka Butkis please explain: if the flu is more contagious than Ebola, and kills many more people than Ebola (in ratios of thousands to one) then why not quarantine anyone who doesn't get a flu shot?

No offense but the flu argument is silly....Most can and have survived the flu many times with zero medical attention ..How many people have survived Ebola without medical attention..

ask the 40,000 people who die every year of flu how silly it is,

The flu is very rarely listed as the cause of death. It plays a contributing role. The CDC comes up with a number they call flu-related death. The death rate for the flu is about 0.05%. A complete recovery after a few days rest without any need for hospitalization or medicine.

Despite the completely meaningless statistical calculation thrown out in this thread, the death rate from Ebola is somewhere between 30-70% or about 1000 times deadlier than the flu. Ebola has the potential to wipe out 10-20% of the entire population of West Africa. Hopefully the current efforts will greatly reduce that number. Ebola is not a theat here because we are aware, we are pro-active, and we are will to spend $1 million per case to treat and isolate the victims. Some actions by the governors or the Army may be a bit anal, but it will lower the risk of any one here getting Ebola from very low to very very very low.

the death rate is not between 30-70% for Ebola in western countries. Why do you continue to assume that mortality rates are the same for the poorest countries as for the richest countries? It is a very bad assumption to make.

 

[Fennis]

http://www.latimes.com/world/africa/la-fg-who-ebola-numbers-20141029-story.html

Ebola numbers jump to 13,703

Dr. Bruce Aylward, assistant director-general of the WHO, said the big increase in cases is likely because of previous under-reporting

Hopefully this is true. Supposedly things are getting better in Liberia, which is good news.

If this thing explodes to the 20-30k mark, it's going to be tough to stop without bolting down the borders of those West African countries, which I think is coming.

It doesnt feel like enough is being done to control it in West Africa still. Not sure what the response will be, but I think bolting down the borders will be extremely hard to enforce in these countries. You can stop flights easily enough, but not sure how you stop effectively people from leaving to the bordering countries.

Do you have a running tally of how many people are being monitored for Ebola? I know of 84 in Dallas, 105 in PA, a bunch in Ohio, 10 in Michigan, 2 in CA, all at different risk levels. I could not find the country-wide data.

no, I only see it random news reports and it doesnt seem trackable to me.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

http://www.latimes.com/world/africa/la-fg-who-ebola-numbers-20141029-story.html

Ebola numbers jump to 13,703

Dr. Bruce Aylward, assistant director-general of the WHO, said the big increase in cases is likely because of previous under-reporting

Hopefully this is true. Supposedly things are getting better in Liberia, which is good news.

If this thing explodes to the 20-30k mark, it's going to be tough to stop without bolting down the borders of those West African countries, which I think is coming.

It doesnt feel like enough is being done to control it in West Africa still. Not sure what the response will be, but I think bolting down the borders will be extremely hard to enforce in these countries. You can stop flights easily enough, but not sure how you stop effectively people from leaving to the bordering countries.

Do you have a running tally of how many people are being monitored for Ebola? I know of 84 in Dallas, 105 in PA, a bunch in Ohio, 10 in Michigan, 2 in CA, all at different risk levels. I could not find the country-wide data.

9 -Florida.. in the low risk category that are being monitored....Those are people who have traveled here from the stricken countries. Sorry no link.....just came across my desk from local government people who have been contacted in regards to protocols for, local hospital, EMS personnel, and Funeral Homes....Apparently the general public are being kept in the dark....I wonder why that is?

 

[shader]

Ditka Butkis please explain: if the flu is more contagious than Ebola, and kills many more people than Ebola (in ratios of thousands to one) then why not quarantine anyone who doesn't get a flu shot?

No offense but the flu argument is silly....Most can and have survived the flu many times with zero medical attention ..How many people have survived Ebola without medical attention..

ask the 40,000 people who die every year of flu how silly it is,

The flu is very rarely listed as the cause of death. It plays a contributing role. The CDC comes up with a number they call flu-related death. The death rate for the flu is about 0.05%. A complete recovery after a few days rest without any need for hospitalization or medicine.

Despite the completely meaningless statistical calculation thrown out in this thread, the death rate from Ebola is somewhere between 30-70% or about 1000 times deadlier than the flu. Ebola has the potential to wipe out 10-20% of the entire population of West Africa. Hopefully the current efforts will greatly reduce that number. Ebola is not a theat here because we are aware, we are pro-active, and we are will to spend $1 million per case to treat and isolate the victims. Some actions by the governors or the Army may be a bit anal, but it will lower the risk of any one here getting Ebola from very low to very very very low.

the death rate is not between 30-70% for Ebola in western countries. Why do you continue to assume that mortality rates are the same for the poorest countries in the world are the same for the richest countries in the world? It is a very bad assumption to make.

It seems like with really good care, (this is based on what I've seen from how the first world countries have dealt with it) it's not too difficult to keep Ebola from spreading from the initial stages to the latter stages. But when it gets to those latter stages, I think it's much more infectious and the death rates are quite high.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

http://www.latimes.com/world/africa/la-fg-who-ebola-numbers-20141029-story.html

Ebola numbers jump to 13,703

Dr. Bruce Aylward, assistant director-general of the WHO, said the big increase in cases is likely because of previous under-reporting

Hopefully this is true. Supposedly things are getting better in Liberia, which is good news.

If this thing explodes to the 20-30k mark, it's going to be tough to stop without bolting down the borders of those West African countries, which I think is coming.

It doesnt feel like enough is being done to control it in West Africa still. Not sure what the response will be, but I think bolting down the borders will be extremely hard to enforce in these countries. You can stop flights easily enough, but not sure how you stop effectively people from leaving to the bordering countries.

Do you have a running tally of how many people are being monitored for Ebola? I know of 84 in Dallas, 105 in PA, a bunch in Ohio, 10 in Michigan, 2 in CA, all at different risk levels. I could not find the country-wide data.

no, I only see it random news reports and it doesnt seem trackable to me.

I'm sure the CDC is tracking it but chosen to not publish it.

 

[3C's]

This is what fear does to people. It is ludicrous to keep that kid out of school.

Milford Father Files Lawsuit After Daughter Told To Stay Home Amid Ebola Concerns

Opayemi said that he and his daughter had traveled to Nigeria for 10 days to attend a family wedding in which she was the flower girl.

U.S. authorities have focused on three African countries that have experienced outbreaks of the deadly Ebola virus: Sierra Leone, Guinea and Liberia.

"We did not visit the three countries," Opayemi said.

But Ebola is present in Nigeria

http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/v2_article_large/public/2014/09/05/ebola_map_sep5_fp.png?itok=2TloZY41

it seems that the school is erring on the side of extreme caution...schools are petri dishes...

Depends when she visited. Nigeria is ebola free currently. The US is not for another week or two. If she had traveled to Texas or Spain would you think a 21 day quarantine was over the line?

That is an over-reaction by the school, but a few weeks off school is not the end of the world.

It's not an overreaction, it's stupid. It's the equivalent of your boss saying you were in Ohio last week you have to take the next 21 days off work without pay. Maybe I could see forcing her to take a temperature in the morning and if she's over a certain number she's forced to stay home from school. But even that would be a huge overreaction.

OK, it is a stupid overreaction. I have no idea why you disagree with the overreaction part except for maybe wanting to be arguementative.

 

[jon_mx]

Ditka Butkis please explain: if the flu is more contagious than Ebola, and kills many more people than Ebola (in ratios of thousands to one) then why not quarantine anyone who doesn't get a flu shot?

No offense but the flu argument is silly....Most can and have survived the flu many times with zero medical attention ..How many people have survived Ebola without medical attention..

ask the 40,000 people who die every year of flu how silly it is,

The flu is very rarely listed as the cause of death. It plays a contributing role. The CDC comes up with a number they call flu-related death. The death rate for the flu is about 0.05%. A complete recovery after a few days rest without any need for hospitalization or medicine.Despite the completely meaningless statistical calculation thrown out in this thread, the death rate from Ebola is somewhere between 30-70% or about 1000 times deadlier than the flu. Ebola has the potential to wipe out 10-20% of the entire population of West Africa. Hopefully the current efforts will greatly reduce that number. Ebola is not a theat here because we are aware, we are pro-active, and we are will to spend $1 million per case to treat and isolate the victims. Some actions by the governors or the Army may be a bit anal, but it will lower the risk of any one here getting Ebola from very low to very very very low.

the death rate is not between 30-70% for Ebola in western countries. Why do you continue to assume that mortality rates are the same for the poorest countries as for the richest countries? It is a very bad assumption to make.

Tell you what. Why not approach the FDA with a new drug and show them the results of the seven patients you tested it on and see how far you get.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

This may escalate like Ferguson:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/29/paul-lepage-ebola-quarantine_n_6069740.html

 

[Ditka Butkus]

http://www.latimes.com/world/africa/la-fg-who-ebola-numbers-20141029-story.html

Ebola numbers jump to 13,703

Dr. Bruce Aylward, assistant director-general of the WHO, said the big increase in cases is likely because of previous under-reporting

Hopefully this is true. Supposedly things are getting better in Liberia, which is good news.

If this thing explodes to the 20-30k mark, it's going to be tough to stop without bolting down the borders of those West African countries, which I think is coming.

It doesnt feel like enough is being done to control it in West Africa still. Not sure what the response will be, but I think bolting down the borders will be extremely hard to enforce in these countries. You can stop flights easily enough, but not sure how you stop effectively people from leaving to the bordering countries.

Do you have a running tally of how many people are being monitored for Ebola? I know of 84 in Dallas, 105 in PA, a bunch in Ohio, 10 in Michigan, 2 in CA, all at different risk levels. I could not find the country-wide data.

no, I only see it random news reports and it doesnt seem trackable to me.

I'm sure the CDC is tracking it but chosen to not publish it.

Maybe as a downplay as to not cause a panic....The CDC/Government wouldn't do that...

 

[Fennis]

Ditka Butkis please explain: if the flu is more contagious than Ebola, and kills many more people than Ebola (in ratios of thousands to one) then why not quarantine anyone who doesn't get a flu shot?

No offense but the flu argument is silly....Most can and have survived the flu many times with zero medical attention ..How many people have survived Ebola without medical attention..

ask the 40,000 people who die every year of flu how silly it is,

The flu is very rarely listed as the cause of death. It plays a contributing role. The CDC comes up with a number they call flu-related death. The death rate for the flu is about 0.05%. A complete recovery after a few days rest without any need for hospitalization or medicine.

Despite the completely meaningless statistical calculation thrown out in this thread, the death rate from Ebola is somewhere between 30-70% or about 1000 times deadlier than the flu. Ebola has the potential to wipe out 10-20% of the entire population of West Africa. Hopefully the current efforts will greatly reduce that number. Ebola is not a theat here because we are aware, we are pro-active, and we are will to spend $1 million per case to treat and isolate the victims. Some actions by the governors or the Army may be a bit anal, but it will lower the risk of any one here getting Ebola from very low to very very very low.

the death rate is not between 30-70% for Ebola in western countries. Why do you continue to assume that mortality rates are the same for the poorest countries in the world are the same for the richest countries in the world? It is a very bad assumption to make.

It seems like with really good care, (this is based on what I've seen from how the first world countries have dealt with it) it's not too difficult to keep Ebola from spreading from the initial stages to the latter stages. But when it gets to those latter stages, I think it's much more infectious and the death rates are quite high.

I agree with you again. It also seems that the cultural and economic differences are such that it wont spread in the early stages in the west. We don't wash our dead. We live in hygienic conditions , we clean with bleach. We don't live in the same tight conditions. We have basic medical care for the poor, etc, etc. etc,

Despite my stance in here, I'm still not convinced an outbreak in the U.S. wont ever happen. Meningitis can be highly contagious and happens with very high mortality rates, but it no longer spreads beyond an occasional outbreak. (and it becomes less and less common with better treatments and vaccines).

 

[Ditka Butkus]

This may escalate like Ferguson:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/29/paul-lepage-ebola-quarantine_n_6069740.html

Yeah and she thought she would be welcomed with open arms....Should have stayed in the tent...The State of New Jersey probably would have ended up treating her like a queen to avoid the bad press....Now she has to do it on her own and with her own cash.....She missed out on a free 21 day vacation...

 

[msommer]

Ditka Butkis please explain: if the flu is more contagious than Ebola, and kills many more people than Ebola (in ratios of thousands to one) then why not quarantine anyone who doesn't get a flu shot?

No offense but the flu argument is silly....Most can and have survived the flu many times with zero medical attention ..How many people have survived Ebola without medical attention..

ask the 40,000 people who die every year of flu how silly it is,

The flu is very rarely listed as the cause of death. It plays a contributing role. The CDC comes up with a number they call flu-related death. The death rate for the flu is about 0.05%. A complete recovery after a few days rest without any need for hospitalization or medicine.Despite the completely meaningless statistical calculation thrown out in this thread, the death rate from Ebola is somewhere between 30-70% or about 1000 times deadlier than the flu. Ebola has the potential to wipe out 10-20% of the entire population of West Africa. Hopefully the current efforts will greatly reduce that number. Ebola is not a theat here because we are aware, we are pro-active, and we are will to spend $1 million per case to treat and isolate the victims. Some actions by the governors or the Army may be a bit anal, but it will lower the risk of any one here getting Ebola from very low to very very very low.

the death rate is not between 30-70% for Ebola in western countries. Why do you continue to assume that mortality rates are the same for the poorest countries as for the richest countries? It is a very bad assumption to make.

Tell you what. Why not approach the FDA with a new drug and show them the results of the seven patients you tested it on and see how far you get.

you might get far. ZMapp has not been clinically tested on humans in randomized controlled trials yet

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Ditka Butkis please explain: if the flu is more contagious than Ebola, and kills many more people than Ebola (in ratios of thousands to one) then why not quarantine anyone who doesn't get a flu shot?

No offense but the flu argument is silly....Most can and have survived the flu many times with zero medical attention ..How many people have survived Ebola without medical attention..

ask the 40,000 people who die every year of flu how silly it is,

The flu is very rarely listed as the cause of death. It plays a contributing role. The CDC comes up with a number they call flu-related death. The death rate for the flu is about 0.05%. A complete recovery after a few days rest without any need for hospitalization or medicine.Despite the completely meaningless statistical calculation thrown out in this thread, the death rate from Ebola is somewhere between 30-70% or about 1000 times deadlier than the flu. Ebola has the potential to wipe out 10-20% of the entire population of West Africa. Hopefully the current efforts will greatly reduce that number. Ebola is not a theat here because we are aware, we are pro-active, and we are will to spend $1 million per case to treat and isolate the victims. Some actions by the governors or the Army may be a bit anal, but it will lower the risk of any one here getting Ebola from very low to very very very low.

the death rate is not between 30-70% for Ebola in western countries. Why do you continue to assume that mortality rates are the same for the poorest countries in the world are the same for the richest countries in the world? It is a very bad assumption to make.

It seems like with really good care, (this is based on what I've seen from how the first world countries have dealt with it) it's not too difficult to keep Ebola from spreading from the initial stages to the latter stages. But when it gets to those latter stages, I think it's much more infectious and the death rates are quite high.

I agree with you again. It also seems that the cultural and economic differences are such that it wont spread in the early stages in the west. We don't wash our dead. We live in hygienic conditions , we clean with bleach. We don't live in the same tight conditions. We have basic medical care for the poor, etc, etc. etc,

Despite my stance in here, I'm still not convinced an outbreak in the U.S. wont ever happen. Meningitis can be highly contagious and happens with very high mortality rates, but it no longer spreads beyond an occasional outbreak. (and it becomes less and less common with better treatments and vaccines).

We cannot let down our guard until the outbreak is under control in W. Africa. How long will that take?

 

[Fennis]

Ditka Butkis please explain: if the flu is more contagious than Ebola, and kills many more people than Ebola (in ratios of thousands to one) then why not quarantine anyone who doesn't get a flu shot?

No offense but the flu argument is silly....Most can and have survived the flu many times with zero medical attention ..How many people have survived Ebola without medical attention..

ask the 40,000 people who die every year of flu how silly it is,

The flu is very rarely listed as the cause of death. It plays a contributing role. The CDC comes up with a number they call flu-related death. The death rate for the flu is about 0.05%. A complete recovery after a few days rest without any need for hospitalization or medicine.Despite the completely meaningless statistical calculation thrown out in this thread, the death rate from Ebola is somewhere between 30-70% or about 1000 times deadlier than the flu. Ebola has the potential to wipe out 10-20% of the entire population of West Africa. Hopefully the current efforts will greatly reduce that number. Ebola is not a theat here because we are aware, we are pro-active, and we are will to spend $1 million per case to treat and isolate the victims. Some actions by the governors or the Army may be a bit anal, but it will lower the risk of any one here getting Ebola from very low to very very very low.

the death rate is not between 30-70% for Ebola in western countries. Why do you continue to assume that mortality rates are the same for the poorest countries as for the richest countries? It is a very bad assumption to make.

Tell you what. Why not approach the FDA with a new drug and show them the results of the seven patients you tested it on and see how far you get.

when drug companies do Phase1 testing they use 20-80 people. Phase 1 is to test the safety of a drug.

I am confident if I gave a pill to 10 people and none died, that the mortality rate of my one dose will not be 70%.

 

[FlapJacks]

This is what fear does to people. It is ludicrous to keep that kid out of school.

Milford Father Files Lawsuit After Daughter Told To Stay Home Amid Ebola Concerns

Opayemi said that he and his daughter had traveled to Nigeria for 10 days to attend a family wedding in which she was the flower girl.

U.S. authorities have focused on three African countries that have experienced outbreaks of the deadly Ebola virus: Sierra Leone, Guinea and Liberia.

"We did not visit the three countries," Opayemi said.

But Ebola is present in Nigeria

http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/v2_article_large/public/2014/09/05/ebola_map_sep5_fp.png?itok=2TloZY41

it seems that the school is erring on the side of extreme caution...schools are petri dishes...

Depends when she visited. Nigeria is ebola free currently. The US is not for another week or two. If she had traveled to Texas or Spain would you think a 21 day quarantine was over the line?

I would consider it erring on the side of extreme caution

 

[Rohn Jambo]

This may escalate like Ferguson:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/29/paul-lepage-ebola-quarantine_n_6069740.html

Yeah and she thought she would be welcomed with open arms....Should have stayed in the tent...The State of New Jersey probably would have ended up treating her like a queen to avoid the bad press....Now she has to do it on her own and with her own cash.....She missed out on a free 21 day vacation...

She probably gets great advice from her civil rights lawyer, Normal Siegel.

"Norm is an ardent defender of free expression, no matter how unpopular a particular group and its opinions may be. With his assistance, for example, members of the Ku Klux Klan were able to rally in Foley Square in 1999, overcoming City Hall’s attempts to block them. Why help Klan clucks? “They have a right to be repugnant,” Mr. Siegel said."

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/01/nyregion/a-mellower-mr-negative-but-still-passionate-about-free-expression.html?_r=1&

 

[jon_mx]

Ditka Butkis please explain: if the flu is more contagious than Ebola, and kills many more people than Ebola (in ratios of thousands to one) then why not quarantine anyone who doesn't get a flu shot?

No offense but the flu argument is silly....Most can and have survived the flu many times with zero medical attention ..How many people have survived Ebola without medical attention..

ask the 40,000 people who die every year of flu how silly it is,

The flu is very rarely listed as the cause of death. It plays a contributing role. The CDC comes up with a number they call flu-related death. The death rate for the flu is about 0.05%. A complete recovery after a few days rest without any need for hospitalization or medicine.Despite the completely meaningless statistical calculation thrown out in this thread, the death rate from Ebola is somewhere between 30-70% or about 1000 times deadlier than the flu. Ebola has the potential to wipe out 10-20% of the entire population of West Africa. Hopefully the current efforts will greatly reduce that number. Ebola is not a theat here because we are aware, we are pro-active, and we are will to spend $1 million per case to treat and isolate the victims. Some actions by the governors or the Army may be a bit anal, but it will lower the risk of any one here getting Ebola from very low to very very very low.

the death rate is not between 30-70% for Ebola in western countries. Why do you continue to assume that mortality rates are the same for the poorest countries as for the richest countries? It is a very bad assumption to make.

Tell you what. Why not approach the FDA with a new drug and show them the results of the seven patients you tested it on and see how far you get.

when drug companies do Phase1 testing they use 20-80 people. Phase 1 is to test the safety of a drug.

I am confident if I gave a pill to 10 people and none died, that the mortality rate of my one dose will not be 70%.

Based on a sample size of 10 with one death, you have only established with some degree of confidence that your death rate is likely between 0 to 40%.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

This is what fear does to people. It is ludicrous to keep that kid out of school.

Milford Father Files Lawsuit After Daughter Told To Stay Home Amid Ebola Concerns

Opayemi said that he and his daughter had traveled to Nigeria for 10 days to attend a family wedding in which she was the flower girl.

U.S. authorities have focused on three African countries that have experienced outbreaks of the deadly Ebola virus: Sierra Leone, Guinea and Liberia.

"We did not visit the three countries," Opayemi said.

But Ebola is present in Nigeria

http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/v2_article_large/public/2014/09/05/ebola_map_sep5_fp.png?itok=2TloZY41

it seems that the school is erring on the side of extreme caution...schools are petri dishes...

Depends when she visited. Nigeria is ebola free currently. The US is not for another week or two. If she had traveled to Texas or Spain would you think a 21 day quarantine was over the line?

I would consider it erring on the side of extreme caution

What the CDC publishes are only guidelines. They are not laws which can be enforced consistently across all 50 states. Even a lawyer with half a brain knows this.

 

[Rohn Jambo]

Ditka Butkis please explain: if the flu is more contagious than Ebola, and kills many more people than Ebola (in ratios of thousands to one) then why not quarantine anyone who doesn't get a flu shot?

No offense but the flu argument is silly....Most can and have survived the flu many times with zero medical attention ..How many people have survived Ebola without medical attention..

ask the 40,000 people who die every year of flu how silly it is,

The flu is very rarely listed as the cause of death. It plays a contributing role. The CDC comes up with a number they call flu-related death. The death rate for the flu is about 0.05%. A complete recovery after a few days rest without any need for hospitalization or medicine.Despite the completely meaningless statistical calculation thrown out in this thread, the death rate from Ebola is somewhere between 30-70% or about 1000 times deadlier than the flu. Ebola has the potential to wipe out 10-20% of the entire population of West Africa. Hopefully the current efforts will greatly reduce that number. Ebola is not a theat here because we are aware, we are pro-active, and we are will to spend $1 million per case to treat and isolate the victims. Some actions by the governors or the Army may be a bit anal, but it will lower the risk of any one here getting Ebola from very low to very very very low.

the death rate is not between 30-70% for Ebola in western countries. Why do you continue to assume that mortality rates are the same for the poorest countries as for the richest countries? It is a very bad assumption to make.

Tell you what. Why not approach the FDA with a new drug and show them the results of the seven patients you tested it on and see how far you get.

when drug companies do Phase1 testing they use 20-80 people. Phase 1 is to test the safety of a drug.

I am confident if I gave a pill to 10 people and none died, that the mortality rate of my one dose will not be 70%.

Based on a sample size of 10 with one death, you have only established with some degree of confidence that your death rate is likely between 0 to 40%.

The same argument is used to convince people that it is safe to have a nuclear power plant in their back yards.

 

[matuski]

Ditka Butkis please explain: if the flu is more contagious than Ebola, and kills many more people than Ebola (in ratios of thousands to one) then why not quarantine anyone who doesn't get a flu shot?

No offense but the flu argument is silly....Most can and have survived the flu many times with zero medical attention ..How many people have survived Ebola without medical attention..

ask the 40,000 people who die every year of flu how silly it is,

The flu is very rarely listed as the cause of death. It plays a contributing role. The CDC comes up with a number they call flu-related death. The death rate for the flu is about 0.05%. A complete recovery after a few days rest without any need for hospitalization or medicine.Despite the completely meaningless statistical calculation thrown out in this thread, the death rate from Ebola is somewhere between 30-70% or about 1000 times deadlier than the flu. Ebola has the potential to wipe out 10-20% of the entire population of West Africa. Hopefully the current efforts will greatly reduce that number. Ebola is not a theat here because we are aware, we are pro-active, and we are will to spend $1 million per case to treat and isolate the victims. Some actions by the governors or the Army may be a bit anal, but it will lower the risk of any one here getting Ebola from very low to very very very low.

the death rate is not between 30-70% for Ebola in western countries. Why do you continue to assume that mortality rates are the same for the poorest countries as for the richest countries? It is a very bad assumption to make.

Tell you what. Why not approach the FDA with a new drug and show them the results of the seven patients you tested it on and see how far you get.

when drug companies do Phase1 testing they use 20-80 people. Phase 1 is to test the safety of a drug.

I am confident if I gave a pill to 10 people and none died, that the mortality rate of my one dose will not be 70%.

Based on a sample size of 10 with one death, you have only established with some degree of confidence that your death rate is likely between 0 to 40%.

The same argument is used to convince people that it is safe to have a nuclear power plant in their back yards.

They pour that stuff in our rivers too!

 

[Rohn Jambo]

WHO says Ebola may be slowing down in Liberia

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/30/world/africa/ebola-liberia-who.html?_r=0

 

[jon_mx]

WHO says Ebola may be slowing down in Liberia

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/30/world/africa/ebola-liberia-who.html?_r=0

That is great news.

 

[Bucky86]

Was ham right?

 

[El Floppo]

I saw this on Reddit yesterday. Its very interesting IMO

Chart of what we're afraid of vs. what actually kills us: http://i.imgur.com/oI6An6s.png

Lightning dogs terrify the bejeezus out of me.