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A farmer named Muldoon lived alone in the countryside with a wee lightning dog that he loved and doted on. After many long years of faithful companionship, the lightning dog finally died of ebola, so Muldoon went to the parish priest:

"Father, my dear old lightning dog is dead of ebola. Could you be saying a Mass for him?"

Father Patrick replied, "I am so very sorry to hear about your lightning dog's death of ebola. But, unfortunately, I can't say Mass for the poor creature..."

Muldoon said, "I understand, Father, I do. I guess I'll go to this new denomination down the road; no tellin' what they believe... Do you think $500 is enough to donate for the service?"

Father Patrick: "Why didn't you tell me your wee lightning dog who dies of ebola was Catholic?!"

 
apologies to the Irish, Catholics, dog lovers (lightning or otherwise), ebola victims, and anyone who enjoys a good joke.

 
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Ditka Butkis please explain: if the flu is more contagious than Ebola, and kills many more people than Ebola (in ratios of thousands to one) then why not quarantine anyone who doesn't get a flu shot?
No offense but the flu argument is silly....Most can and have survived the flu many times with zero medical attention ..How many people have survived Ebola without medical attention..
ask the 40,000 people who die every year of flu how silly it is,
You mean the elderly and people with compromised immune systems/children? Great argument. Compelling. Give me more.

 
Ditka Butkis please explain: if the flu is more contagious than Ebola, and kills many more people than Ebola (in ratios of thousands to one) then why not quarantine anyone who doesn't get a flu shot?
No offense but the flu argument is silly....Most can and have survived the flu many times with zero medical attention ..How many people have survived Ebola without medical attention..
ask the 40,000 people who die every year of flu how silly it is,
You mean the elderly and people with compromised immune systems/children? Great argument. Compelling. Give me more.
The flu kills a lot of otherwise healthy adults too. It is not clear exactly how many the flu itself kills, but it plays a role in lots of deaths and is a serious problem.

 
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http://nypost.com/2014/10/29/cdc-admits-droplets-from-a-sneeze-could-spread-ebola/

So the CDC seems to now be admitting that Ebola can be transmitted by sneezing. And that droplets from someone sneezing can contain live transmittable virus for quite some time.
:lmao:

I don't think "a solitary woman with no articulated credentials told the New York Post that the CDC is now admitting" is quite the same as "the CDC now seems to now be admitting."
I thought this is what they had been saying all along though. When I read that article, I had to check the date.

 
Ditka Butkis please explain: if the flu is more contagious than Ebola, and kills many more people than Ebola (in ratios of thousands to one) then why not quarantine anyone who doesn't get a flu shot?
No offense but the flu argument is silly....Most can and have survived the flu many times with zero medical attention ..How many people have survived Ebola without medical attention..
ask the 40,000 people who die every year of flu how silly it is,
You mean the elderly and people with compromised immune systems/children? Great argument. Compelling. Give me more.
The flu kills a lot of otherwise healthy adults too. It is not clear exactly how many the flu itself kills, but it plays a role in lots of deaths and is a serious problem.
Flu kills anywhere between 5,000-50,000 people each year in the US

5-20% of the population will get the flu each year in the US.

That means, on the low end (5%) 15.8M people get the flu.

If you take the high end of fatalities, and the low end of flue numbers, that is .0003% of the people who get the flu, will die.

If you go the other way, and take the low end of fatalities and high end of flu "victims" it is number too small for my calculator to give me.

Granted, I suck at math so please, feel free to check my work and tell me how comparing the two diseases isn't completely ludicrous.

Even if you take the 12% mortality rate of Ebola in the US it's still absurd to compare the two.

 
http://nypost.com/2014/10/29/cdc-admits-droplets-from-a-sneeze-could-spread-ebola/

So the CDC seems to now be admitting that Ebola can be transmitted by sneezing. And that droplets from someone sneezing can contain live transmittable virus for quite some time.
:lmao:

I don't think "a solitary woman with no articulated credentials told the New York Post that the CDC is now admitting" is quite the same as "the CDC now seems to now be admitting."
I thought this is what they had been saying all along though. When I read that article, I had to check the date.
They say you have to sneeze or cough mucus or saliva directly onto someone's eyes, nose and mouth. In fact they explicitly reject the premise of the article that it can be transmitted via suspended particles. link

 
And please, so me all the "healthy" adults who die from the flu.

When you or your kids get the flu do you panic and rush to the ER?
As I posted earlier, 3 patients (2 kids one adult) on ECMO this week alone in 2 of my hospitals alone... from the flu.

 
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And please, so me all the "healthy" adults who die from the flu.

When you or your kids get the flu do you panic and rush to the ER?
As I posted earlier, 3 patients (2 kids one adult) on ECMO this week alone in 2 of my hospitals alone... from the flu.
They died? .0003% die. But feel free to continue to argue it's comparable to Ebola.
Not sure I ever said it was comparable.

Far more likely to catch the flu, far more likely to get very sick or die from the flu. Flu > Ebola in the US.

 
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http://nypost.com/2014/10/29/cdc-admits-droplets-from-a-sneeze-could-spread-ebola/

So the CDC seems to now be admitting that Ebola can be transmitted by sneezing. And that droplets from someone sneezing can contain live transmittable virus for quite some time.
:lmao:

I don't think "a solitary woman with no articulated credentials told the New York Post that the CDC is now admitting" is quite the same as "the CDC now seems to now be admitting."
I thought this is what they had been saying all along though. When I read that article, I had to check the date.
They say you have to sneeze or cough mucus or saliva directly onto someone's eyes, nose and mouth. In fact they explicitly reject the premise of the article that it can be transmitted via suspended particles. link
That is not entirely accurate. An item can become contaminated by someone's with ebola sneezing on it and despositing mucus. Then someone touch that item would be at risk. It does not have to be direct contact from that person, but contact with their fluids.

 
http://nypost.com/2014/10/29/cdc-admits-droplets-from-a-sneeze-could-spread-ebola/

So the CDC seems to now be admitting that Ebola can be transmitted by sneezing. And that droplets from someone sneezing can contain live transmittable virus for quite some time.
:lmao:

I don't think "a solitary woman with no articulated credentials told the New York Post that the CDC is now admitting" is quite the same as "the CDC now seems to now be admitting."
I thought this is what they had been saying all along though. When I read that article, I had to check the date.
They say you have to sneeze or cough mucus or saliva directly onto someone's eyes, nose and mouth. In fact they explicitly reject the premise of the article that it can be transmitted via suspended particles. link
That is not entirely accurate. An item can become contaminated by someone's with ebola sneezing on it and despositing mucus. Then someone touch that item would be at risk. It does not have to be direct contact from that person, but contact with their fluids.
Exactly. Which they've said all along. That's why I thought the article was odd.

 
http://nypost.com/2014/10/29/cdc-admits-droplets-from-a-sneeze-could-spread-ebola/

So the CDC seems to now be admitting that Ebola can be transmitted by sneezing. And that droplets from someone sneezing can contain live transmittable virus for quite some time.
:lmao:

I don't think "a solitary woman with no articulated credentials told the New York Post that the CDC is now admitting" is quite the same as "the CDC now seems to now be admitting."
I thought this is what they had been saying all along though. When I read that article, I had to check the date.
They say you have to sneeze or cough mucus or saliva directly onto someone's eyes, nose and mouth. In fact they explicitly reject the premise of the article that it can be transmitted via suspended particles. link
That is not entirely accurate. An item can become contaminated by someone's with ebola sneezing on it and despositing mucus. Then someone touch that item would be at risk. It does not have to be direct contact from that person, but contact with their fluids.
Just stop jon jon. Just stop.

 
And please, so me all the "healthy" adults who die from the flu.

When you or your kids get the flu do you panic and rush to the ER?
As I posted earlier, 3 patients (2 kids one adult) on ECMO this week alone in 2 of my hospitals alone... from the flu.
They died? .0003% die. But feel free to continue to argue it's comparable to Ebola.
Not sure I ever said it was comparable.

Far more likely to catch the flu, far more likely to get very sick or die from the flu. Flu > Ebola in the US.
We now accept the costs of the flu to our system. Flu is way more impactful to US healthcare than ebola will ever be.

 
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http://nypost.com/2014/10/29/cdc-admits-droplets-from-a-sneeze-could-spread-ebola/

So the CDC seems to now be admitting that Ebola can be transmitted by sneezing. And that droplets from someone sneezing can contain live transmittable virus for quite some time.
:lmao:

I don't think "a solitary woman with no articulated credentials told the New York Post that the CDC is now admitting" is quite the same as "the CDC now seems to now be admitting."
I thought this is what they had been saying all along though. When I read that article, I had to check the date.
They say you have to sneeze or cough mucus or saliva directly onto someone's eyes, nose and mouth. In fact they explicitly reject the premise of the article that it can be transmitted via suspended particles. link
That is not entirely accurate. An item can become contaminated by someone's with ebola sneezing on it and despositing mucus. Then someone touch that item would be at risk. It does not have to be direct contact from that person, but contact with their fluids.
Yup, my bad for not phrasing it well- you don't have to cough or sneeze directly onto the person, but the mucus or saliva has to directly contact the person's eyes, nose, mouth, open wound. In other words, no contamination via suspended particles in the air.

 
Nurse defies Ebola quarantine, goes for bike ride

FORT KENT, Maine A nurse who vowed to defy Maine's voluntary quarantine for health care workers who treated Ebola patients followed through on her promise today, leaving her home for a bike ride.

Kaci Hickox and her boyfriend stepped out of their home this morning and rode away on bicycles, followed by state police who were monitoring her movements and public interactions. Police couldn't detain her without a court order signed by a judge.

Hickox contends there's no need for quarantine because she's showing no symptoms. She's also tested negative for the deadly disease.

State officials were going to court in an effort to detain Hickox for the remainder of the 21-day incubation period for Ebola that ends on Nov. 10

It was the second time Hickox broke quarantine. She left her home Wednesday evening briefly to speak to reporters, even shaking a hand that was offered to her.

"There's a lot of misinformation about how Ebola is transmitted, and I can understand why people are frightened. But their fear is not based on medical facts," Norman Siegel, one of her attorneys, said Wednesday.

Hickox, who volunteered in Sierra Leone with Doctors Without Borders, was the first person forced into New Jersey's mandatory quarantine for people arriving at the Newark airport from three West African countries. Hickox spent the weekend in a tent in New Jersey before traveling to the home she shares with her boyfriend, a nursing student at the University of Maine at Fort Kent.

"I'm not willing to stand here and let my civil rights be violated when it's not science-based," she told reporters Wednesday evening.

Generally, states have broad authority when it comes to such matters. But Maine health officials could have a tough time convincing a judge that Hickox poses a threat, said attorney Jackie L. Caynon III, who specializes in health law in Worcester, Massachusetts.

"If somebody isn't showing signs of the infection, then it's kind of hard to say someone should be under mandatory quarantine," he said.

Ebola, which is spread through direct contact with the bodily fluids of an infected person, has killed thousands of people in Africa, but only four people have been diagnosed with it in the United States. People can't be infected just by being near someone who's sick, and people aren't contagious unless they're sick, health officials say.

Guidelines from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommend daily monitoring for health care workers like Hickox who have come into contact with Ebola patients. But some states like Maine are going above and beyond those guidelines.

The defense department is going even further. On Wednesday, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel ordered military men and women helping fight Ebola to undergo 21-day quarantines that start upon their return instead of their last exposure to an Ebola patient.

President Barack Obama warned that overly restrictive measures imposed upon returning health care workers could discourage them from volunteering in Africa.

But Maine Gov. Paul LePage, who canceled campaign events to keep tabs on the situation, maintained that the state must be "vigilant" to protect others.

State law allows a judge to grant temporary custody of someone if health officials demonstrate "a clear and immediate public health threat."

The state's court filing was expected Thursday, officials said.

If a judge grants the state request, then Hickox will appeal the decision on constitutional grounds, necessitating a hearing, Siegel said.

Siegel said the nurse hopes her fight against the quarantine will help bring an end to misinformation about how the Ebola virus is transmitted.

"She wants to have her voice in the debate about how America handles the Ebola crisis. She has an important voice and perspective," he said.
 
Ditka Butkis please explain: if the flu is more contagious than Ebola, and kills many more people than Ebola (in ratios of thousands to one) then why not quarantine anyone who doesn't get a flu shot?
No offense but the flu argument is silly....Most can and have survived the flu many times with zero medical attention ..How many people have survived Ebola without medical attention..
ask the 40,000 people who die every year of flu how silly it is,
You mean the elderly and people with compromised immune systems/children? Great argument. Compelling. Give me more.
The flu kills a lot of otherwise healthy adults too. It is not clear exactly how many the flu itself kills, but it plays a role in lots of deaths and is a serious problem.
Flu kills anywhere between 5,000-50,000 people each year in the US5-20% of the population will get the flu each year in the US.

That means, on the low end (5%) 15.8M people get the flu.

If you take the high end of fatalities, and the low end of flue numbers, that is .0003% of the people who get the flu, will die.

If you go the other way, and take the low end of fatalities and high end of flu "victims" it is number too small for my calculator to give me.

Granted, I suck at math so please, feel free to check my work and tell me how comparing the two diseases isn't completely ludicrous.

Even if you take the 12% mortality rate of Ebola in the US it's still absurd to compare the two.
And you can get a flu shot that usually helps fight it. If your worried about it.
 
Ditka Butkis please explain: if the flu is more contagious than Ebola, and kills many more people than Ebola (in ratios of thousands to one) then why not quarantine anyone who doesn't get a flu shot?
No offense but the flu argument is silly....Most can and have survived the flu many times with zero medical attention ..How many people have survived Ebola without medical attention..
ask the 40,000 people who die every year of flu how silly it is,
You mean the elderly and people with compromised immune systems/children? Great argument. Compelling. Give me more.
The flu kills a lot of otherwise healthy adults too. It is not clear exactly how many the flu itself kills, but it plays a role in lots of deaths and is a serious problem.
Flu kills anywhere between 5,000-50,000 people each year in the US5-20% of the population will get the flu each year in the US.

That means, on the low end (5%) 15.8M people get the flu.

If you take the high end of fatalities, and the low end of flue numbers, that is .0003% of the people who get the flu, will die.

If you go the other way, and take the low end of fatalities and high end of flu "victims" it is number too small for my calculator to give me.

Granted, I suck at math so please, feel free to check my work and tell me how comparing the two diseases isn't completely ludicrous.

Even if you take the 12% mortality rate of Ebola in the US it's still absurd to compare the two.
And you can get a flu shot that usually helps fight it. If your worried about it.
And even then it is more of a threat to you than ebola.

 
Nurse defies Ebola quarantine, goes for bike ride

FORT KENT, Maine A nurse who vowed to defy Maine's voluntary quarantine for health care workers who treated Ebola patients followed through on her promise today, leaving her home for a bike ride.

Kaci Hickox and her boyfriend stepped out of their home this morning and rode away on bicycles, followed by state police who were monitoring her movements and public interactions. Police couldn't detain her without a court order signed by a judge.

Hickox contends there's no need for quarantine because she's showing no symptoms. She's also tested negative for the deadly disease.

State officials were going to court in an effort to detain Hickox for the remainder of the 21-day incubation period for Ebola that ends on Nov. 10

It was the second time Hickox broke quarantine. She left her home Wednesday evening briefly to speak to reporters, even shaking a hand that was offered to her.

"There's a lot of misinformation about how Ebola is transmitted, and I can understand why people are frightened. But their fear is not based on medical facts," Norman Siegel, one of her attorneys, said Wednesday.

Hickox, who volunteered in Sierra Leone with Doctors Without Borders, was the first person forced into New Jersey's mandatory quarantine for people arriving at the Newark airport from three West African countries. Hickox spent the weekend in a tent in New Jersey before traveling to the home she shares with her boyfriend, a nursing student at the University of Maine at Fort Kent.

"I'm not willing to stand here and let my civil rights be violated when it's not science-based," she told reporters Wednesday evening.

Generally, states have broad authority when it comes to such matters. But Maine health officials could have a tough time convincing a judge that Hickox poses a threat, said attorney Jackie L. Caynon III, who specializes in health law in Worcester, Massachusetts.

"If somebody isn't showing signs of the infection, then it's kind of hard to say someone should be under mandatory quarantine," he said.

Ebola, which is spread through direct contact with the bodily fluids of an infected person, has killed thousands of people in Africa, but only four people have been diagnosed with it in the United States. People can't be infected just by being near someone who's sick, and people aren't contagious unless they're sick, health officials say.

Guidelines from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommend daily monitoring for health care workers like Hickox who have come into contact with Ebola patients. But some states like Maine are going above and beyond those guidelines.

The defense department is going even further. On Wednesday, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel ordered military men and women helping fight Ebola to undergo 21-day quarantines that start upon their return instead of their last exposure to an Ebola patient.

President Barack Obama warned that overly restrictive measures imposed upon returning health care workers could discourage them from volunteering in Africa.

But Maine Gov. Paul LePage, who canceled campaign events to keep tabs on the situation, maintained that the state must be "vigilant" to protect others.

State law allows a judge to grant temporary custody of someone if health officials demonstrate "a clear and immediate public health threat."

The state's court filing was expected Thursday, officials said.

If a judge grants the state request, then Hickox will appeal the decision on constitutional grounds, necessitating a hearing, Siegel said.

Siegel said the nurse hopes her fight against the quarantine will help bring an end to misinformation about how the Ebola virus is transmitted.

"She wants to have her voice in the debate about how America handles the Ebola crisis. She has an important voice and perspective," he said.
:thumbup:

 
:thumbup: Love that chick.
The only thing I worry about is that some official somewhere else will decide to hard-arzse the next Kaci Hickox and have him/her detained with cuffs at point of entry. Or some similar overreaction.

What's unfortunate, too, is that too few Americans can grok the science, and Hickox's actions likely won't lead to a change in public sentiment. I wonder how many FFAers wouldn't go to Pham's or Vinson's homes now, today, and eat food they prepared with their hands.

 
:thumbup: Love that chick.
yeah, but have you heard what the conservative talk show hosts are saying about her? I heard some snippets of Rush, Bill O Reilly, Hannity: the dislike is visceral and astonishing given the work she's done to help fight this disease.O Reilly went so far as to suggest she should be shot by police if she attempts to leave her house.
 
My wife returned from Ghana today with no problems. A few extra questions on the outbound flight from Accra to JFK, but other than that, no issues. No forehead scan, no special line, nothing like that. Just regular immigration and customs stuff. She even arrived early. Glad to have her home safely.

 
Ditka Butkis please explain: if the flu is more contagious than Ebola, and kills many more people than Ebola (in ratios of thousands to one) then why not quarantine anyone who doesn't get a flu shot?
No offense but the flu argument is silly....Most can and have survived the flu many times with zero medical attention ..How many people have survived Ebola without medical attention..
ask the 40,000 people who die every year of flu how silly it is,
You mean the elderly and people with compromised immune systems/children? Great argument. Compelling. Give me more.
The flu kills a lot of otherwise healthy adults too. It is not clear exactly how many the flu itself kills, but it plays a role in lots of deaths and is a serious problem.
Flu kills anywhere between 5,000-50,000 people each year in the US5-20% of the population will get the flu each year in the US.

That means, on the low end (5%) 15.8M people get the flu.

If you take the high end of fatalities, and the low end of flue numbers, that is .0003% of the people who get the flu, will die.

If you go the other way, and take the low end of fatalities and high end of flu "victims" it is number too small for my calculator to give me.

Granted, I suck at math so please, feel free to check my work and tell me how comparing the two diseases isn't completely ludicrous.

Even if you take the 12% mortality rate of Ebola in the US it's still absurd to compare the two.
And you can get a flu shot that usually helps fight it. If your worried about it.
And even then it is more of a threat to you than ebola.
And why it is a silly comparison. The flu is established in our population and it is not going anywhere. It seems that aggressive treatment and actions like quarantine would be important so ebola doesn't establish itself in a non human population and thus present the potential for outbreaks like in Africa. I'm not altering my own actions, but on the other hand why wouldn't we want the CDC to aggressively try to prevent a virus like this from becoming established here? Is that not what they're here for?
 
Yeah, but have you heard what the conservative talk show hosts are saying about her? I heard some snippets of Rush, Bill O Reilly, Hannity: the dislike is visceral and astonishing given the work she's done to help fight this disease.O Reilly went so far as to suggest she should be shot by police if she attempts to leave her house.
Why would conservative talk radio hosts perpetuate this? I think they are doing cynically, and playing to their percetpion of their base.

 
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My wife returned from Ghana today with no problems. A few extra questions on the outbound flight from Accra to JFK, but other than that, no issues. No forehead scan, no special line, nothing like that. Just regular immigration and customs stuff. She even arrived early. Glad to have her home safely.
Good to hear, Z. :thumbup:

 
My wife returned from Ghana today with no problems. A few extra questions on the outbound flight from Accra to JFK, but other than that, no issues. No forehead scan, no special line, nothing like that. Just regular immigration and customs stuff. She even arrived early. Glad to have her home safely.
:thumbup:

 
:thumbup: Love that chick.
yeah, but have you heard what the conservative talk show hosts are saying about her? I heard some snippets of Rush, Bill O Reilly, Hannity: the dislike is visceral and astonishing given the work she's done to help fight this disease.O Reilly went so far as to suggest she should be shot by police if she attempts to leave her house.
Yes, they are brave and heroic in their actions. But Dr. Spencer kind of ruined the arguement against quarantines. He did not follow guidelines and then lied about his activity. Now he came down with it and potentially exposed his fiancee and two friends to the deadly virus. Hoefully they are not infected. The odds are low this nurse has the virus. i think there have been about 150 volunteers (doctors/nurses) who enter the region and 6 have come down with the virus. So it is unlikely she has the virus, but still at a substaintial risk level. I think the courts are highly unlikely to side with her, so I am not sure what her deviance is going to accomplish.

 
:thumbup: Love that chick.
yeah, but have you heard what the conservative talk show hosts are saying about her? I heard some snippets of Rush, Bill O Reilly, Hannity: the dislike is visceral and astonishing given the work she's done to help fight this disease.O Reilly went so far as to suggest she should be shot by police if she attempts to leave her house.
Regardless what she has done in Africa....She is coming off like a selfish spoiled #####

 
:thumbup: Love that chick.
yeah, but have you heard what the conservative talk show hosts are saying about her? I heard some snippets of Rush, Bill O Reilly, Hannity: the dislike is visceral and astonishing given the work she's done to help fight this disease.O Reilly went so far as to suggest she should be shot by police if she attempts to leave her house.
Regardless what she has done in Africa....She is coming off like a selfish spoiled #####
She should be canonized.

 
:thumbup: Love that chick.
yeah, but have you heard what the conservative talk show hosts are saying about her? I heard some snippets of Rush, Bill O Reilly, Hannity: the dislike is visceral and astonishing given the work she's done to help fight this disease.O Reilly went so far as to suggest she should be shot by police if she attempts to leave her house.
Regardless what she has done in Africa....She is coming off like a selfish spoiled #####
She should be canonized.
Like, placed in a cannon and blasted off?

 

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