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ghostguy123
Footballguy
I think you guys have me sold.
Nothing to worry about. We're good.
I'l check back on this thread in a few weeks so you guys can tell me how crazy I was for being worried..................hopefully
Nothing to worry about. We're good.
I'l check back on this thread in a few weeks so you guys can tell me how crazy I was for being worried..................hopefully
sn0mm1s
Footballguy
I am not sure why so many media outlets and agencies are claiming that every hospital can handle ebola cases. It is a BSL4 pathogen and there are very few laboratories in the world equipped to even store, contain, and perform research on the virus - and that is in an extremely controlled setting. When the virus is being vomited, bled, sweated, and shat all over with even less safety measures in place I have a hard time believing that these scenarios really fall into the bucket of being "handled" successfully.
Bucky86
Footballguy
If we survive. Duh duh duuuuuuh
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
msommer
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Couple Cleveland area schools closed.
One because a teacher was on the plane and had been back at the school.
Another, not the sure exact reason, but I believe it was another teacher at a different school that had contact with the teacher who was on the plane.
Just relaying some more info. Or maybe it's more that I am making up. I guess we'll see.
One because a teacher was on the plane and had been back at the school.
Another, not the sure exact reason, but I believe it was another teacher at a different school that had contact with the teacher who was on the plane.
Just relaying some more info. Or maybe it's more that I am making up. I guess we'll see.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Well there's two of em, heard about a third.
http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/oh-cuyahoga/solon-middle-parkside-elementary-closed-after-teacher-flew-frontier-flight-from-dallas-to-cle
http://www.newsnet5.com/news/local-news/oh-cuyahoga/solon-middle-parkside-elementary-closed-after-teacher-flew-frontier-flight-from-dallas-to-cle
ghostguy123
Footballguy
It is when everyone is sleepin........................Slow night at the Cleveland hospitals I guess...
msommer
Footballguy
Hope it stays slow! Over the next three weeks at least...It is when everyone is sleepin........................Slow night at the Cleveland hospitals I guess...
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
Me too. Although, if we hear of ONE single case around here in like 2 weeks, gonna have to start that time table yet again.Hope it stays slow! Over the next three weeks at least...It is when everyone is sleepin........................Slow night at the Cleveland hospitals I guess...
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
Just make sure you don't try to milk any of them GregIt is when everyone is sleepin........................Slow night at the Cleveland hospitals I guess...
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
This is only the first round; plenty of golf to be played. We're not sure who's going to make the cut.
Ghostguy is the new leader in the clubhouse. Do you have a newsletter I can subscribe to?
My favorites are:
"Whether you agree or not, that ebola virus IS spread around the country right now."
"That plane that went back from Cleveland to Dallas needs to be incinerated."
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
I've seen better containment procedures in one of my zombie novels I got from Permuted Press. Sheesh.
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T Bell
Footballguy
Tom Servo
Nittany Beavers
Not for nothing...
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fatness
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When Obama hugged the Dallas nurses, Ebola caught Obama, rendering it completely ineffective. Well played, **** Cheney.
snogger
Footballguy
Sorry if this was already posted but thought it was kind of important:
CDC director Dr. Tom Frieden said during a national news conference on Wednesday that Dallas nurse Amber Joy Vinson “was in a group of individuals known to have exposure to Ebola, she should not have traveled on a commercial airline.”
CDC director Dr. Tom Frieden said during a national news conference on Wednesday that Dallas nurse Amber Joy Vinson “was in a group of individuals known to have exposure to Ebola, she should not have traveled on a commercial airline.”
Don't worry.. The CDC has this under control
msommer
Footballguy
Two miles from me, as the crow flies, a (Danish) patient has just been placed under observation for Ebola. They should know in about 10 hours if it's for real..Me too. Although, if we hear of ONE single case around here in like 2 weeks, gonna have to start that time table yet again.Hope it stays slow! Over the next three weeks at least...It is when everyone is sleepin........................Slow night at the Cleveland hospitals I guess...
matuski
Footballguy
You can't make this call.
Unless you are gonna pull a straight lie out of your rear and tell us none of your patients have ever got an infection in your facility.
Doesn't mean they weren't prepared, it means something was not done right... which could be anything from improper PPE to an accident with sharps to to a fail in sterile technique. Any of which happen on a daily basis in every facility I've ever been in (a lot). #### happens.
You don't have the information necessary to make your accusations with any credibility.
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avoiding injuries
Footballguy
I heard a nurse from the hospital in Dallas speak out this morning. It sounded like they were winging it. No protocol in place, no access to the appropriate supplies and equipment, and no training. Doesn't sound like they were prepared at all, and I bet most hospitals are/were the same.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
They werent prepared because they werent prepared. Basically all hospitals in the county are going to practice procedures and training right now because NOBODY is prepared for ebola.
matuski
Footballguy
Come on man, do you seriously work in a hospital or nah?
I'm leaning nah at this point.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
You are correct. The cleveland clinic has been going through mock drills and vastly ramped up education because they would be very unprepared. Same with university hospitals.
I will pretty safely say, if these two hospital were not ready, very few in the entire county would be
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Yeah, and the hospital I work at right now is getting ready in case they have to quarantine someone for this. IE, they were NOT ready as of a couple weeks ago. Not even sure we are yet
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matuski
Footballguy
This new "Ebola Training" will consist of learning about the virus followed by a review of 101 BBP/PPE training.
Wear PPE, follow sterile technique, be careful, be careful, be careful.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Actually no, they are adding to it due to the risk of acquiring the virus while taking off the protective equipment. I dont know what it is yet cause I dont work in that department, but it has to do with an extra layer and more than one set of gloves or something.
Again, this is just what I HEARD from other nurses I work with who talked to their other friends who are nurses.
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
This nurse claims the Ebola patient was in an area with 7 other patients. Also, they had "waste receptacles" where they put the garments they wore into the room sitting in the hallway outside of the room that people would walk past all day long.
lod01
Footballguy
Cliff Clavin
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Yep...
Anyone thinking "No worries! Our super awesome healthcare system has got this, man!" is either completely ignorant of reality, or is kidding themselves.
THANKFULLY the odds of a moderate to large scale outbreak of this are pretty damn slim. But if it occurs, our system will be overwhelmed very very quickly.
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CDC is in Atlanta.
Very few hospitals are equipped to deal with both Ebola patients, and the other 99.999999999% of people who are in the hospital at any given time.
lod01
Footballguy
Because we would get rid of a lot of dead weight in this country? I'd survive.
SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
This is an inside story from some registered nurses at Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital in Dallas who have familiarity with what occurred at the hospital following the positive Ebola infection of first the late Thomas Eric Duncan and then a registered nurse who cared for him Nina Pham.
The RNs contacted National Nurses United out of frustration with a lack of training and preparation. They are choosing to remain anonymous out of fear of retaliation.
The RNs who have spoken to us from Texas Health Presbyterian are listening in on this call and this is their report based on their experiences and what other nurses are sharing with them. When we have finished with our statement, we will have time for several questions. The nurses will have the opportunity to respond to your questions via email that they will send to us, that we will read to you.
We are not identifying the nurses for their protection, but they work at Texas Health Presbyterian and have knowledge of what occurred at the hospital.
They feel a duty to speak out about the concerns that they say are shared by many in the hospital who are concerned about the protocols that were followed and what they view were confusion and frequently changing policies and protocols that are of concern to them, and to our organization as well.
When Thomas Eric Duncan first came into the hospital, he arrived with an elevated temperature, but was sent home.
On his return visit to the hospital, he was brought in by ambulance under the suspicion from him and family members that he may have Ebola.
Mr. Duncan was left for several hours, not in isolation, in an area where other patients were present.
No one knew what the protocols were or were able to verify what kind of personal protective equipment should be worn and there was no training.
Subsequently a nurse supervisor arrived and demanded that he be moved to an isolation unit– yet faced resistance from other hospital authorities.
Lab specimens from Mr. Duncan were sent through the hospital tube system without being specially sealed and hand delivered. The result is that the entire tube system by which all lab specimens are sent was potentially contaminated.
There was no advance preparedness on what to do with the patient, there was no protocol, there was no system. The nurses were asked to call the Infectious Disease Department. The Infectious Disease Department did not have clear policies to provide either.
Initial nurses who interacted with Mr. Duncan nurses wore a non-impermeable gown front and back, three pairs of gloves, with no taping around wrists, surgical masks, with the option of N-95s, and face shields. Some supervisors said that even the N-95 masks were not necessary.
The suits they were given still exposed their necks, the part closest to their face and mouth. They had suits with booties and hoods, three pairs of gloves, no tape.
For their necks, nurses had to use medical tape, that is not impermeable and has permeable seams, to wrap around their necks in order to protect themselves, and had to put on the tape and take it off on their own.
Nurses had to interact with Mr. Duncan with whatever protective equipment was available, at a time when he had copious amounts of diarrhea and vomiting which produces a lot of contagious fluids.
Hospital officials allowed nurses who had interacted with Mr. Duncan to then continue normal patient care duties, taking care of other patients, even though they had not had the proper personal protective equipment while caring for Mr. Duncan.
Patients who may have been exposed were one day kept in strict isolation units. On the next day were ordered to be transferred out of strict isolation into areas where there were other patients, even those with low-grade fevers who could potentially be contagious.
Were protocols breached? The nurses say there were no protocols.
Some hospital personnel were coming in and out of those isolation areas in the Emergency Department without having worn the proper protective equipment.
CDC officials who are in the hospital and Infectious Disease personnel have not kept hallways clean; they were going back and forth between the Isolation Pod and back into the hallways that were not properly cleaned, even after CDC, infectious control personnel, and doctors who exited into those hallways after being in the isolation pods.
ADVANCE PREPARATION
Advance preparation that had been done by the hospital primarily consisted of emailing us about one optional lecture/seminar on Ebola. There was no mandate for nurses to attend trainings, or what nurses had to do in the event of the arrival of a patient with Ebola-like symptoms.
This is a very large hospital. To be effective, any classes would have to offered repeatedly, covering all times when nurses work; instead this was treated like the hundreds of other seminars that are routinely offered to staff.
There was no advance hands-on training on the use of personal protective equipment for Ebola. No training on what symptoms to look for. No training on what questions to ask.
Even when some trainings did occur, after Mr. Duncan had tested positive for Ebola, they were limited, and they did not include having every nurse in the training practicing the proper way to don and doff, put on and take off, the appropriate personal protective equipment to assure that they would not be infected or spread an infection to anyone else.
Guidelines have now been changed, but it is not clear what version Nina Pham had available.
The hospital later said that their guidelines had changed and that the nurses needed to adhere to them. What has caused confusion is that the guidelines were constantly changing. It was later asked which guidelines should we follow? The message to the nurses was it’s up to you.
It is not up to the nurses to be setting the policy, nurses say, in the face of such a virulent disease. They needed to be trained optimally and correctly in how to deal with Ebola and the proper PPE doffing, as well as how to dispose of the waste.
In summary, the nurses state there have been no policies in cleaning or bleaching the premises without housekeeping services. There was no one to pick up hazardous waste as it piled to the ceiling. They did not have access to proper supplies and observed the Infectious Disease Department and CDC themselves violate basic principles of infection control, including cross contaminating between patients. In the end, the nurses strongly feel unsupported, unprepared, lied to, and deserted to handle the situation on their own.
We want our facility to be recognized as a leader in responding to this crisis. We also want to recognize the other nurses as heroes who put their lives on the line for their patients every day when they walk in the door.
The RNs contacted National Nurses United out of frustration with a lack of training and preparation. They are choosing to remain anonymous out of fear of retaliation.
The RNs who have spoken to us from Texas Health Presbyterian are listening in on this call and this is their report based on their experiences and what other nurses are sharing with them. When we have finished with our statement, we will have time for several questions. The nurses will have the opportunity to respond to your questions via email that they will send to us, that we will read to you.
We are not identifying the nurses for their protection, but they work at Texas Health Presbyterian and have knowledge of what occurred at the hospital.
They feel a duty to speak out about the concerns that they say are shared by many in the hospital who are concerned about the protocols that were followed and what they view were confusion and frequently changing policies and protocols that are of concern to them, and to our organization as well.
When Thomas Eric Duncan first came into the hospital, he arrived with an elevated temperature, but was sent home.
On his return visit to the hospital, he was brought in by ambulance under the suspicion from him and family members that he may have Ebola.
Mr. Duncan was left for several hours, not in isolation, in an area where other patients were present.
No one knew what the protocols were or were able to verify what kind of personal protective equipment should be worn and there was no training.
Subsequently a nurse supervisor arrived and demanded that he be moved to an isolation unit– yet faced resistance from other hospital authorities.
Lab specimens from Mr. Duncan were sent through the hospital tube system without being specially sealed and hand delivered. The result is that the entire tube system by which all lab specimens are sent was potentially contaminated.
There was no advance preparedness on what to do with the patient, there was no protocol, there was no system. The nurses were asked to call the Infectious Disease Department. The Infectious Disease Department did not have clear policies to provide either.
Initial nurses who interacted with Mr. Duncan nurses wore a non-impermeable gown front and back, three pairs of gloves, with no taping around wrists, surgical masks, with the option of N-95s, and face shields. Some supervisors said that even the N-95 masks were not necessary.
The suits they were given still exposed their necks, the part closest to their face and mouth. They had suits with booties and hoods, three pairs of gloves, no tape.
For their necks, nurses had to use medical tape, that is not impermeable and has permeable seams, to wrap around their necks in order to protect themselves, and had to put on the tape and take it off on their own.
Nurses had to interact with Mr. Duncan with whatever protective equipment was available, at a time when he had copious amounts of diarrhea and vomiting which produces a lot of contagious fluids.
Hospital officials allowed nurses who had interacted with Mr. Duncan to then continue normal patient care duties, taking care of other patients, even though they had not had the proper personal protective equipment while caring for Mr. Duncan.
Patients who may have been exposed were one day kept in strict isolation units. On the next day were ordered to be transferred out of strict isolation into areas where there were other patients, even those with low-grade fevers who could potentially be contagious.
Were protocols breached? The nurses say there were no protocols.
Some hospital personnel were coming in and out of those isolation areas in the Emergency Department without having worn the proper protective equipment.
CDC officials who are in the hospital and Infectious Disease personnel have not kept hallways clean; they were going back and forth between the Isolation Pod and back into the hallways that were not properly cleaned, even after CDC, infectious control personnel, and doctors who exited into those hallways after being in the isolation pods.
ADVANCE PREPARATION
Advance preparation that had been done by the hospital primarily consisted of emailing us about one optional lecture/seminar on Ebola. There was no mandate for nurses to attend trainings, or what nurses had to do in the event of the arrival of a patient with Ebola-like symptoms.
This is a very large hospital. To be effective, any classes would have to offered repeatedly, covering all times when nurses work; instead this was treated like the hundreds of other seminars that are routinely offered to staff.
There was no advance hands-on training on the use of personal protective equipment for Ebola. No training on what symptoms to look for. No training on what questions to ask.
Even when some trainings did occur, after Mr. Duncan had tested positive for Ebola, they were limited, and they did not include having every nurse in the training practicing the proper way to don and doff, put on and take off, the appropriate personal protective equipment to assure that they would not be infected or spread an infection to anyone else.
Guidelines have now been changed, but it is not clear what version Nina Pham had available.
The hospital later said that their guidelines had changed and that the nurses needed to adhere to them. What has caused confusion is that the guidelines were constantly changing. It was later asked which guidelines should we follow? The message to the nurses was it’s up to you.
It is not up to the nurses to be setting the policy, nurses say, in the face of such a virulent disease. They needed to be trained optimally and correctly in how to deal with Ebola and the proper PPE doffing, as well as how to dispose of the waste.
In summary, the nurses state there have been no policies in cleaning or bleaching the premises without housekeeping services. There was no one to pick up hazardous waste as it piled to the ceiling. They did not have access to proper supplies and observed the Infectious Disease Department and CDC themselves violate basic principles of infection control, including cross contaminating between patients. In the end, the nurses strongly feel unsupported, unprepared, lied to, and deserted to handle the situation on their own.
We want our facility to be recognized as a leader in responding to this crisis. We also want to recognize the other nurses as heroes who put their lives on the line for their patients every day when they walk in the door.
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
If you had to travel around the country for business would you wear a mask and wear latex gloves at this point?
joffer
Footballguy
i saran-wrapped myself for my flight last night. a few odd looks, but worked great
Cliff Clavin
Footballguy
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Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
My guess is that people who travel a lot will start doing this. Once others see these people it will become more acceptable and all of the sudden everyone is scared and we will all look like this minus the squinty eyes.
joffer
Footballguy
George Jefferson Airplane
Footballguy
One thing Americans are great at: panic
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