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TheIronSheik
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wadegarrett
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####### nurse that works at hospital cares for ebola patient.
####### nurse boards plane to Cleveland.
Staffer that works at a local Cleveland school (Solon's Parkside Elementary) is on ebola plane.
Staffer goes back to work at school.
Ebola school closes amid fears.
wadegarrett's next door neighbor teaches at ebola school.
And now it's at my front door.
It was a good run fellas. See you in the next life.
####### nurse boards plane to Cleveland.
Staffer that works at a local Cleveland school (Solon's Parkside Elementary) is on ebola plane.
Staffer goes back to work at school.
Ebola school closes amid fears.
wadegarrett's next door neighbor teaches at ebola school.
And now it's at my front door.
It was a good run fellas. See you in the next life.
Harry Manback
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Why won't (or can't) you provide a source?
"The student had no symptoms when he left Liberia, according to the mayor's office. He returned home on Oct. 11 and was kept in voluntary sequestration."
http://www.nbcconnecticut.com/news/local/Yale-New-Haven-Hospital-Admits-Person-with-Ebola-Like-Symptoms--279415262.html
See how easy that is?
I'm not saying he doesn't have it, I'm not saying he can't have it.
I'm saying there hasn't been a single source saying he does in fact have it. Just that he might and has symptoms.
You want to paint a picture where the CDC told him he didn't need to be quarantined, but ignore the fact that he quarantined himself anyways.
You want to make it seem like he was an aid worker "let back in the country" when in reality per news sources he had zero contact with any patients or even any healthcare providers.
Why is that?
TheIronSheik
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What's the edited out part?####### nurse that works at hospital cares for ebola patient.
####### nurse boards plane to Cleveland.
Staffer that works at a local Cleveland school (Solon's Parkside Elementary) is on ebola plane.
Staffer goes back to work at school.
Ebola school closes amid fears.
wadegarrett's next door neighbor teaches at ebola school.
And now it's at my front door.
It was a good run fellas. See you in the next life.
Harry Manback
Footballguy
Don't ask him that, he'll yell at you and demand your address so he can ship ebola to you.
Harry Manback
Footballguy
Dumbhead IMOWhat's the edited out part?####### nurse that works at hospital cares for ebola patient.
####### nurse boards plane to Cleveland.
Staffer that works at a local Cleveland school (Solon's Parkside Elementary) is on ebola plane.
Staffer goes back to work at school.
Ebola school closes amid fears.
wadegarrett's next door neighbor teaches at ebola school.
And now it's at my front door.
It was a good run fellas. See you in the next life.
TheIronSheik
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Harry Manback
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What if this was for PR sake? To try and "prove" it's not airborne, and that you can't get it without direct contact.
Sort of the CDC putting its proverbial money where its mouth is.
Doug B
Footballguy
Sorry for the length ... want to get this read:
Here is a link to The Lancet article mentioned, for those who want to dig deeper.
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DA RAIDERS
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rip wadegarrett. thops to your family
wadegarrett
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d u m b a z zDumbhead IMOWhat's the edited out part?####### nurse that works at hospital cares for ebola patient.
####### nurse boards plane to Cleveland.
Staffer that works at a local Cleveland school (Solon's Parkside Elementary) is on ebola plane.
Staffer goes back to work at school.
Ebola school closes amid fears.
wadegarrett's next door neighbor teaches at ebola school.
And now it's at my front door.
It was a good run fellas. See you in the next life.
Harry Manback
Footballguy
Jeez, sorry. Who pissed in your Cheerios, no need to be a big meanie to me.d u m b a z zDumbhead IMOWhat's the edited out part?####### nurse that works at hospital cares for ebola patient.
####### nurse boards plane to Cleveland.
Staffer that works at a local Cleveland school (Solon's Parkside Elementary) is on ebola plane.
Staffer goes back to work at school.
Ebola school closes amid fears.
wadegarrett's next door neighbor teaches at ebola school.
And now it's at my front door.
It was a good run fellas. See you in the next life.
wadegarrett
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my ebola neighborJeez, sorry. Who pissed in your Cheerios, no need to be a big meanie to me.d u m b a z zDumbhead IMOWhat's the edited out part?####### nurse that works at hospital cares for ebola patient.
####### nurse boards plane to Cleveland.
Staffer that works at a local Cleveland school (Solon's Parkside Elementary) is on ebola plane.
Staffer goes back to work at school.
Ebola school closes amid fears.
wadegarrett's next door neighbor teaches at ebola school.
And now it's at my front door.
It was a good run fellas. See you in the next life.
timschochet
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Thanks for posting.that DougB. Given the very slow way in which this disease has spread so far, finally something makes sense.
TheIronSheik
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I'd be cool with that if they hadn't already messed up with the whole nurse thing. Even if that guy comes out fine (and I believe he will), more people will remember it for a bad move than a good move.
Harry Manback
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Was urine a listed bodily fluid that can pass the infection? I think we're still good with Golden Showers GB.my ebola neighborJeez, sorry. Who pissed in your Cheerios, no need to be a big meanie to me.d u m b a z zDumbhead IMOWhat's the edited out part?####### nurse that works at hospital cares for ebola patient.
####### nurse boards plane to Cleveland.
Staffer that works at a local Cleveland school (Solon's Parkside Elementary) is on ebola plane.
Staffer goes back to work at school.
Ebola school closes amid fears.
wadegarrett's next door neighbor teaches at ebola school.
And now it's at my front door.
It was a good run fellas. See you in the next life.
Harry Manback
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TheIronSheik
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Ahh... I was stumped there.d u m b a z zDumbhead IMOWhat's the edited out part?####### nurse that works at hospital cares for ebola patient.
####### nurse boards plane to Cleveland.
Staffer that works at a local Cleveland school (Solon's Parkside Elementary) is on ebola plane.
Staffer goes back to work at school.
Ebola school closes amid fears.
wadegarrett's next door neighbor teaches at ebola school.
And now it's at my front door.
It was a good run fellas. See you in the next life.
Joe Summer
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Harry Manback
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Still searching for that news article about the CT patient being confirmed infected. Based on STLrams silence I have to assume he's also searching for the article.
Will update when I find it.
Will update when I find it.
Doug B
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There are a lot of moving parts here. But I think when you start looking critically at the empirical evidence (and not theory, modeling, experiments using not-quite-real-life conditions), there is a legitimate reason for a positive outlook.
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Doug B
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Ditto -- nothing yet.
EDIT: The Hartford Courant has got a running article on the matter. It's getting updated with some regularity. Should this patient test positive for the ebolavirus, it will be posted in the link.
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HellToupee
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the douchebaggery is high in this thread
Doug B
Footballguy
For those wondering about how the equipment protocols have been changing, here is an image that demonstrates the levels of protection various suits deliver. This was taken from behind the NYT paywall and posted on Flickr by a buddy on another board.
Harry Manback
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Buddy Ball 2K3
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Jayrod
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Brony
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but it's kind of like putting a can of soda off to the side at your picnic. All the nasty bees go to the soda can and leave the rest of the picnic alone and enjoyable.
Doug B
Footballguy
I don't know if this is technically possible yet, but something that would help a lot here would be a suit (one-piece or close to one-piece) that could simply be showered off. A bleach solution would be showered onto the exterior of the suit, followed by a steam treatment. Afterwards, the wearer could remove the suit casually in a "wet room", then get into a normal shower for the final step.
timschochet
Footballguy
Excellent link. From the article:
Q. Can bodily fluids on surfaces transmit disease?
A. There's good news about that from Emory University Hospital, where they've been caring for Ebola patients for the past couple months. They were able to look at the environment to see if the Ebola virus was anywhere, and really it was only on the patient, not on the surrounding environment. That should be very reassuring because those patients were critically ill and would have been highly contagious. So what I'm telling you is that I've been getting a lot of questions about whether you can get this from elevator buttons or door handles, and I think people should feel reassured that's not the case.
This disease is not going to spread, people. It spread in Africa because they have poor sanitary and medical care conditions in the countries involved and the hygiene is bad, and because they didn't know what they were dealing with for a long time. And even there, it spread to only 9,000 people in a period of two years!
In this country, as already seen, we're going to have screw-ups and mistakes will be made. Which means that instead of 3-4 people with this virus, we might end up with a couple hundred before we're done, or a few thousand in the worst case scenario. And of those, I'm guessing about 20% will die, and the rest will recover.
Buddy Ball 2K3
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Oh come on...
Tim... It's almost like you're going out of your way to be wrong in every post in this thread.
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Josie Maran
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msommer
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Initial test negative. They have to retest tomorrow as some times the only shows up in the blood up to two days after symptoms occur. Patient remains in isolation and staff in full hazmat get up in the mean timeTwo miles from me, as the crow flies, a (Danish) patient has just been placed under observation for Ebola. They should know in about 10 hours if it's for real..Me too. Although, if we hear of ONE single case around here in like 2 weeks, gonna have to start that time table yet again.Hope it stays slow! Over the next three weeks at least...It is when everyone is sleepin........................Slow night at the Cleveland hospitals I guess...
Doug B
Footballguy
The trick is getting the virus onto those solid surfaces, though, in their carrier medium. And -- in just my unscientific opinion -- those kinds of experiments are not really indicative of real-life conditions. I don't believe the ebolavirus is going to spread in the U.S. in new ways that have not been observed in the various African outbreaks.
I believe (don't know) that eventually it will be borne out that ebola does not spread socially, through common contact points and such the way colds and flu do. Sure, if an ebola patient were on the loose vomiting on a handrail or elevator panel, that's a problem. But I think it will even eventually be proven that "new" ebola patient (symptomatic for <48 hrs) won't typically spread the virus even through getting sweat, saliva, or mucus on common-contact surfaces.
Reasons to believe that? I think if common-contact surfaces were in play, ebola in Africa would've spread in numbers similar to typical flu and cold outbreaks in the U.S. I don't think medical science has all the loose ends tied together yet, but they're working on it.
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There was discussion about this earlier in the thread. The link to the CDC guidance that you quoted is consistent.
Oh come on...
Tim... It's almost like you're going out of your way to be wrong in every post in this thread.
6. How long does the Ebola virus persist in indoor environments?Only one laboratory study, which was done under environmental conditions that favor virus persistence, has been reported. This study found that under these ideal conditions Ebola virus could remain active for up to six days.1 In a follow up study, Ebolavirus was found, relative to other enveloped viruses, to be quite sensitive to inactivation by ultraviolet light and drying; yet sub-populations did persist in organic debris.2
In the only study to assess contamination of the patient care environment during an outbreak, conducted in an African hospital under "real world conditions", virus was not detected by either nucleic acid amplification or culture in any of 33 samples collected from sites that were not visibly bloody. Virus was detected on a blood-stained glove and bloody intravenous insertion site by nucleic acid amplification, which may detect non-viable virus, but not by culture for live, infectious virus.3 Based upon these data and what is known regarding the environmental infection control of other enveloped RNA viruses, the expectation is with consistent daily cleaning and disinfection practices in U.S. hospitals that the persistence of Ebola virus in the patient care environment would be short – with 24 hours considered a cautious upper limit.
The study which suggests it is viable for days was conducted under ideal conditions (dark, controlled temps and humidity levels, etc) in a laboratory.
Once again, outside a host or suitable environment, the virus begins to die immediately. Hard surfaces are not suitable environments and transmission through casual contact with those surfaces is extremely unlikely.
El Floppo
Footballguy
didn't specifically say "licking elevator buttons or door handles"... there's still a chance.
also- big fan of posts that mis-quote one tiny word from Ebola-like, to Ebola. officially, that is.
Parrothead
Footballguy
So when does "Ebolanado" come to SciFI? An Ebola laced bood, diarrhea, semen, and vomit filled funnel cloud terrorizes Cleveland..
HellToupee
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Step easy sonny , step easy
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Correct... nobody is saying it says on a doorknob for 6 days... but how long does it have to die off before it's considers "NOT THE CASE"? 1 day? 6 hours? 3 hours? 1 hour? 30 minutes?
Forgive me if I'm skeptical that survival goes from 6 days to nil in real world conditions....
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Harry Manback
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avoiding injuries
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They're sending Nina Pham (1st nurse) to NIH. I think this is what's needed to research and work towards a cure.
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
10x longer than the CDC recommends
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