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EIGHTH Chargers arrest since April (1 Viewer)

Basically the original poster is bitter that the Bengal’s are regressing and only have themselves to blame and doesn't have much of a leg to stand on.
Bitter? No. But I think the whole "character is why the Bengals season went awry is crap. It's not the whole reason the season went down the way it did, in fact it's only a small part. Bigger factors were a tougher schedule, critical injuries (Odell's suspension was made much worse by Pollack's tragic injury) - including a makeshift line pretty much every game, a too-large amount of critical on-field lapses in concentration that had much more of an impact, and more than a dollop of bad luck (Tampa game is a supreme example of that). Given how many things had to go wrong to have us miss the playoffs, I'm very confident that Marvin will get things back together next year, particularly with a much more favorable schedule.The Chargers had a minefield of arrests (read distractions) and finished 14-2. Look at a guy like LT1 - on field a great but off-field not so much. There isn't a single coach in the league who wouldn't have taken him in his prime - illegal drug use and all.

I do think there's been a double standard as every Bengal arrest has led to its own thread (threads even), with a special-teamer or role player like Reggie McNeal or a 3rd-receiver like Henry getting the same weight as all others. More than a few athletes in many different sports had, um, colorful incidents - though of course more of these were glanced over by that era's press. Furthermore, more than a few have been given the benefit of the doubt or a second chance with no further (known) poop-in-a-closet incidents occuring. I just think that it's all been over blown and overrated. But I just had to note the double-standard this one time :)

-QG
QG-You are right about a double standard at least here at FBG's. Everytime a Bengal has a problem everyone jumps in with their .02 cents. But if they're team is having trouble they get defensive. I've seen it before and it appears again in this thread.

Part of it is that there are an overwelming number of Steeler fans around here and of course they hate Bengals. I'm sure this comment will bring them out in defense and that will not be surprising.

As for the post from Joe that the teams are refelective of thier coaches, I do not agree in Chicago's case. In fact, Chicago has some of the worst examples of troubled players I've seen as others pointed out earlier. Guys like Ricky Manning make the Bengals look like choir boys. But Their fans would rather point to the Bengals likely because it takes the heat off their team.

The reality is that all teams have their problems and the NFL would be wise to do something about it and try to raise their standards to something better than the NBA for example. The Bengals would be a good place to start but they are far from alone in this bad PR.
I'd agree with this. It's all about winning. When you're winning, the other stuff gets swept under the rug.I bet if the Bengals had been 14-2, it wouldn't have been as big a deal.

On the coaches too, I don't really agree. Do we think Marvin Lewis is a low character guy? I don't. So I'm not sure how much stock one can put into the "reflection of their coach" thing all the analyst guys want to talk about.

J
I'm starting to think Lewis is a low character guy, and cannot see how he gets a free pass after knowingly drafting a team of thugs. This guy seems like he will sell his soul to the devil to win, look at the past few drafts, character is not real high on this guys list of traits. I guess the chickens have come home to roost, but Bungles fans don't want to hear it. Heck, even the star player on the team is a selfish, "look at me" guy, likeable, but taking a swing at your coach at halftime during a playoff game ????? :bye:
:shrug: I just don't see how Marv Lewis gets to be a high character guy when he brings in one turd after the next. It's as ludicrous as calling someone a wine connioseur when he goes to the liquor store and brings home mad dog 20/20. A person is a reflection of his conduct, and Lewis' conduct of bringing in bad seeds by the bushel suggests he has no character standards whatsoever.
:angry: I always thought Lewis was a good guy, but his teams actions are speaking WAY louder than his words these days. Bungles fans on this board don't like to hear it and cry :bs: and :fishing: , but Brown and Lewis need to take a look at character a lot more in their evaluations of players, quit embarrassing the organization and the city by bringing in these guys. Lewis a high character guy ? I don't think so.... :no:

I forgot at least one more clown, Brooks was thrown off the team at Virgina, but they picked him up in the supplemental draft to replace the other guy that was suspended for the year(Thurman). : :loco:

 
Basically the original poster is bitter that the Bengal’s are regressing and only have themselves to blame and doesn't have much of a leg to stand on.
Bitter? No. But I think the whole "character is why the Bengals season went awry is crap. It's not the whole reason the season went down the way it did, in fact it's only a small part. Bigger factors were a tougher schedule, critical injuries (Odell's suspension was made much worse by Pollack's tragic injury) - including a makeshift line pretty much every game, a too-large amount of critical on-field lapses in concentration that had much more of an impact, and more than a dollop of bad luck (Tampa game is a supreme example of that). Given how many things had to go wrong to have us miss the playoffs, I'm very confident that Marvin will get things back together next year, particularly with a much more favorable schedule.The Chargers had a minefield of arrests (read distractions) and finished 14-2. Look at a guy like LT1 - on field a great but off-field not so much. There isn't a single coach in the league who wouldn't have taken him in his prime - illegal drug use and all.

I do think there's been a double standard as every Bengal arrest has led to its own thread (threads even), with a special-teamer or role player like Reggie McNeal or a 3rd-receiver like Henry getting the same weight as all others. More than a few athletes in many different sports had, um, colorful incidents - though of course more of these were glanced over by that era's press. Furthermore, more than a few have been given the benefit of the doubt or a second chance with no further (known) poop-in-a-closet incidents occuring. I just think that it's all been over blown and overrated. But I just had to note the double-standard this one time :)

-QG
QG-You are right about a double standard at least here at FBG's. Everytime a Bengal has a problem everyone jumps in with their .02 cents. But if they're team is having trouble they get defensive. I've seen it before and it appears again in this thread.

Part of it is that there are an overwelming number of Steeler fans around here and of course they hate Bengals. I'm sure this comment will bring them out in defense and that will not be surprising.

As for the post from Joe that the teams are refelective of thier coaches, I do not agree in Chicago's case. In fact, Chicago has some of the worst examples of troubled players I've seen as others pointed out earlier. Guys like Ricky Manning make the Bengals look like choir boys. But Their fans would rather point to the Bengals likely because it takes the heat off their team.

The reality is that all teams have their problems and the NFL would be wise to do something about it and try to raise their standards to something better than the NBA for example. The Bengals would be a good place to start but they are far from alone in this bad PR.
I'd agree with this. It's all about winning. When you're winning, the other stuff gets swept under the rug.I bet if the Bengals had been 14-2, it wouldn't have been as big a deal.

On the coaches too, I don't really agree. Do we think Marvin Lewis is a low character guy? I don't. So I'm not sure how much stock one can put into the "reflection of their coach" thing all the analyst guys want to talk about.

J
I'm starting to think Lewis is a low character guy, and cannot see how he gets a free pass after knowingly drafting a team of thugs. This guy seems like he will sell his soul to the devil to win, look at the past few drafts, character is not real high on this guys list of traits. I guess the chickens have come home to roost, but Bungles fans don't want to hear it. Heck, even the star player on the team is a selfish, "look at me" guy, likeable, but taking a swing at your coach at halftime during a playoff game ????? :thumbdown:
:thumbdown: I just don't see how Marv Lewis gets to be a high character guy when he brings in one turd after the next. It's as ludicrous as calling someone a wine connioseur when he goes to the liquor store and brings home mad dog 20/20. A person is a reflection of his conduct, and Lewis' conduct of bringing in bad seeds by the bushel suggests he has no character standards whatsoever.
:unsure: I always thought Lewis was a good guy, but his teams actions are speaking WAY louder than his words these days. Bungles fans on this board don't like to hear it and cry :bs: and :fishing: , but Brown and Lewis need to take a look at character a lot more in their evaluations of players, quit embarrassing the organization and the city by bringing in these guys. Lewis a high character guy ? I don't think so.... :no:

I forgot at least one more clown, Brooks was thrown off the team at Virgina, but they picked him up in the supplemental draft to replace the other guy that was suspended for the year(Thurman). : :loco:
Seems like you and BigJim are off the subject a bit. You seem to think that Bengals fans are defending the bad actions of the players. We are not. I haven't read one post that defends their actions. In fact most of us wish they were not in the NFL. But that's out of our control.My contention with your post and a couple of others is that you think Lewis is responsible for the actions of grown men. I do not. I believe that people are responsible for their own actions. I'm not a big fan of blaming others like you suggest.

Suggesting Lewis is a "low character" guy because of player's actions is absurd. Should he and Brown make a better effort in getting better character players? Absolutely. Few will argue that. But to suggest he is low character reeks of homerism and further sugests you cannot objectively see this for what it is. You sound like a Steelers fan hating on the Bengals. You do not sound like an informed fan of football.

BTW-do you only notice Bengals players that had problems? It's interesting that of all the posts your only relate to Bengals that have had problems. Did you take notice of the Steelers that have been arrested or have questionable character? There hasn't been as many but you've got your problems to deal with as well.

Another interesting observation. This is a thread about Chargers getting arrested and you have 5 posts in here and none of them are about the Chargers. Why? Because you are Bengal bashing. Not that's it's obvious or anything. :thumbdown:

 
I'd agree with this. It's all about winning. When you're winning, the other stuff gets swept under the rug.

I bet if the Bengals had been 14-2, it wouldn't have been as big a deal.

On the coaches too, I don't really agree. Do we think Marvin Lewis is a low character guy? I don't. So I'm not sure how much stock one can put into the "reflection of their coach" thing all the analyst guys want to talk about.

J

Seems like you and BigJim are off the subject a bit. You seem to think that Bengals fans are defending the bad actions of the players. We are not. I haven't read one post that defends their actions. In fact most of us wish they were not in the NFL. But that's out of our control.

My contention with your post and a couple of others is that you think Lewis is responsible for the actions of grown men. I do not. I believe that people are responsible for their own actions. I'm not a big fan of blaming others like you suggest.

Suggesting Lewis is a "low character" guy because of player's actions is absurd. Should he and Brown make a better effort in getting better character players? Absolutely. Few will argue that. But to suggest he is low character reeks of homerism and further sugests you cannot objectively see this for what it is. You sound like a Steelers fan hating on the Bengals. You do not sound like an informed fan of football.

BTW-do you only notice Bengals players that had problems? It's interesting that of all the posts your only relate to Bengals that have had problems. Did you take notice of the Steelers that have been arrested or have questionable character? There hasn't been as many but you've got your problems to deal with as well.

Another interesting observation. This is a thread about Chargers getting arrested and you have 5 posts in here and none of them are about the Chargers. Why? Because you are Bengal bashing. Not that's it's obvious or anything. :lmao:
Joe B. asked a question in this thread about Marvins character....I answered it. The only problem you have is that you do not like the answer I gave. Take of the Black & Orange glasses bro...You're getting it twisted chief, I never said Lewis was responsible for their actions, but he is 100% responsible for drafting criminals and players of questionable character, no ?????????? I always thought Marvin was a good guy and coach, but isn't he the one making the personel decisions and draft day decisions ? If you continuously surround yourself with criminals and guys with bad character, doesn't that reflect on you at all ? Like I said, he drafted and brought in these players because they can ball, he OBVIOUSLY didn't give a crap about their past transgressions or character, and now it is becoming a negative reflection on how I and others view him and his character, and rightfully so IMO. Schottenheimer doesn't make the personel decisions in SD, so I will not be bashing him, Smith on the other hand needs to look at some of the players he is bringing in as well. I guess maybe this is how crappy teams pull themselves out of the gutter, other teams that are better and have winning traditions pass on these undesirables, and the bad teams find some talent and value that otherwise would not fall to them in the later rounds of the draft or FA. In my personal life, I don't hang out with felons, you know why ? I don't want people to think I'm a piece of garbage as well. Say what you will, but ANYBODY that looks at this objectively will says that it is starting to make Lewis look real bad.....

 
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Another interesting observation. This is a thread about Chargers getting arrested and you have 5 posts in here and none of them are about the Chargers. Why? Because you are Bengal bashing. Not that's it's obvious or anything. :thumbdown:
You don't honestly believe this thread is really about the Chargers, do you?
 
Another interesting observation. This is a thread about Chargers getting arrested and you have 5 posts in here and none of them are about the Chargers. Why? Because you are Bengal bashing. Not that's it's obvious or anything. :thumbdown:
You don't honestly believe this thread is really about the Chargers, do you?
It's about character, and both these teams have serious issues with it....
:rolleyes: Please indicate what the Bengals are doing to rid themselves of the players with character issues? :goodposting:
 
Another interesting observation. This is a thread about Chargers getting arrested and you have 5 posts in here and none of them are about the Chargers. Why? Because you are Bengal bashing. Not that's it's obvious or anything. :rolleyes:
You don't honestly believe this thread is really about the Chargers, do you?
It's about character, and both these teams have serious issues with it....
:lmao: Please indicate what the Bengals are doing to rid themselves of the players with character issues? :shrug:
Is this directed to me ? They are doing nothing about it, and that is the issue.....
 
Another interesting observation. This is a thread about Chargers getting arrested and you have 5 posts in here and none of them are about the Chargers. Why? Because you are Bengal bashing. Not that's it's obvious or anything. :sleep:
You don't honestly believe this thread is really about the Chargers, do you?
It's about character, and both these teams have serious issues with it....
:lmao: Please indicate what the Bengals are doing to rid themselves of the players with character issues? :lmao:
Is this directed to me ? They are doing nothing about it, and that is the issue.....
And the point is that the Chargers who have been the biggest problem in this regard are former Chargers.
 
Another interesting observation. This is a thread about Chargers getting arrested and you have 5 posts in here and none of them are about the Chargers. Why? Because you are Bengal bashing. Not that's it's obvious or anything. :sleep:
You don't honestly believe this thread is really about the Chargers, do you?
It's about character, and both these teams have serious issues with it....
:unsure: Please indicate what the Bengals are doing to rid themselves of the players with character issues? :missing:
Is this directed to me ? They are doing nothing about it, and that is the issue.....
And the point is that the Chargers who have been the biggest problem in this regard are former Chargers.
Foley, Phillips and Kiel are former Chargers ?
 
Another interesting observation. This is a thread about Chargers getting arrested and you have 5 posts in here and none of them are about the Chargers. Why? Because you are Bengal bashing. Not that's it's obvious or anything. :yes:
You don't honestly believe this thread is really about the Chargers, do you?
I too responded to the general comment concerning Marvin Lewis; I didn't introduce the hijack. I'm in 100% agreement that, as this season has played out, it's obviously the Chargers organization has some house cleaning to do. Where I'll draw a distinction between the Chargers and the Bengals, however, is I'm not currently aware that the bad apples in the Chargers organization had the turd reputation before being signed by the Chargers. If I'm wrong there, someone kindly point me to the pre-draft reports/profiles regarding the Charger players who are now getting into trouble and I'll gladly toss them in the same dumpster with the Cincinnati organization. It goes without saying the turds on the Cincinnati roster were well documented as such before being welcomed into that high character organization. TIA
 
Another interesting observation. This is a thread about Chargers getting arrested and you have 5 posts in here and none of them are about the Chargers. Why? Because you are Bengal bashing. Not that's it's obvious or anything. :rant:
You don't honestly believe this thread is really about the Chargers, do you?
I too responded to the general comment concerning Marvin Lewis; I didn't introduce the hijack. I'm in 100% agreement that, as this season has played out, it's obviously the Chargers organization has some house cleaning to do. Where I'll draw a distinction between the Chargers and the Bengals, however, is I'm not currently aware that the bad apples in the Chargers organization had the turd reputation before being signed by the Chargers. If I'm wrong there, someone kindly point me to the pre-draft reports/profiles regarding the Charger players who are now getting into trouble and I'll gladly toss them in the same dumpster with the Cincinnati organization. It goes without saying the turds on the Cincinnati roster were well documented as such before being welcomed into that high character organization. TIA
I think Foley had problems prior to the Chargers picking him up as a free agent. I'm not going to mention where Foley spent most of his career prior to the Chargers signing him.As for the others, I didn't know of any problems with them before they turned pro. But Kiel obviously has long running issues - I don't see how you come to think cough syrup running to kids for profit is o.k. without missing a few important life/morality lessons early on.
 
Another interesting observation. This is a thread about Chargers getting arrested and you have 5 posts in here and none of them are about the Chargers. Why? Because you are Bengal bashing. Not that's it's obvious or anything. :tinfoilhat:
You don't honestly believe this thread is really about the Chargers, do you?
I too responded to the general comment concerning Marvin Lewis; I didn't introduce the hijack. I'm in 100% agreement that, as this season has played out, it's obviously the Chargers organization has some house cleaning to do. Where I'll draw a distinction between the Chargers and the Bengals, however, is I'm not currently aware that the bad apples in the Chargers organization had the turd reputation before being signed by the Chargers. If I'm wrong there, someone kindly point me to the pre-draft reports/profiles regarding the Charger players who are now getting into trouble and I'll gladly toss them in the same dumpster with the Cincinnati organization. It goes without saying the turds on the Cincinnati roster were well documented as such before being welcomed into that high character organization. TIA
I think Foley had problems prior to the Chargers picking him up as a free agent. I'm not going to mention where Foley spent most of his career prior to the Chargers signing him.As for the others, I didn't know of any problems with them before they turned pro. But Kiel obviously has long running issues - I don't see how you come to think cough syrup running to kids for profit is o.k. without missing a few important life/morality lessons early on.
That's pretty much what I expected to be told... that one of their guys had a reputation beforehand. It's not good what happened to several Chargers this season, but I have a harder time holding an organization responsible when the misconduct was unanticipated/unprecedented. Furthermore, I really don't have a problem with any organization that takes on one risky player here or there hoping for the best. That's hardly the case with the Bengals.
 
BigJim® said:
It's not good what happened to several Chargers this season, but I have a harder time holding an organization responsible when the misconduct was unanticipated/unprecedented. Furthermore, I really don't have a problem with any organization that takes on one risky player here or there hoping for the best. That's hardly the case with the Bengals.
Like I said above, it remains to be seen how the Chargers deal with these character issues now that they have them - and I include Merriman in that statement. Until then all we know is they are a franchise who has too many character issues, just as the Bengals do.
 
Well the comish laid out his plan to resolve off filed issues. Talk about doing absolutely nothing. We've been saying how it would be great to see the NFL rid itself of players like Henry and this is the best they can come up with? Very disappointing.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/9970659

Goodell addresses players' criminal behavior, concussions

Feb. 2, 2007

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MIAMI -- Saying "one incident is too many," NFL commissioner Roger Goodell wants players to stay out of trouble and will meet with them to figure out how to do that.

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Though the league's black eye this season was the main topic of Goodell's first Super Bowl news conference, he also talked about concussions, insisting a player's health takes precedence over football issues.

Referring to a spate of player arrests and the shooting death of Broncos cornerback Darrent Williams, Goodell said, "We have to do something about it. It's a mutually important issue."

"We have to educate our players to the issues out there," he said Friday. "We are raised to a higher standard in the NFL. We must make sure the players are more accountable and our clubs are more accountable."

Goodell and NFL players union chief Gene Upshaw will meet with players "to gauge their perspective on what is really happening."

In the past few months, nine Cincinnati Bengals players have been arrested. One player in Sunday's Super Bowl, Chicago Bears defensive tackle Tank Johnson, still faces weapons-related charges and needed permission from an Illinois judge just to travel to the title game against the Indianapolis Colts.

Roger Goodell speaks to the media during his first Super Bowl press conference as commissioner. (AP)

"I don't see it happening in droves. I think it's just a few, but that's a few too many," said Goodell, who replaced Paul Tagliabue as commissioner in September. "We recognize some players don't do what we want them to do and when that happens, we have the means to deal with it."

Responding to reports that former Patriots linebacker Ted Johnson was forced to practice with a concussion, Goodell praised team trainers and league doctors who deal with concussions and said, "I certainly hope that our coaches always are looking out for the medical well-being of the players."

He said he needed more information on the Patriots' situation before commenting directly about it.

"I don't see a conflict of interest with our trainers. I think they are out there for the welfare of the players," Goodell said.

He commended the players for taking an active role in trying to eliminate use of illegal substances. Goodell also said not allowing players who are suspended under the drug policy to garner postseason awards is "a huge priority for us."

San Diego linebacker Shawne Merriman made the All-Pro team, will play in the Pro Bowl and was considered a front-runner for Defensive Player of the Year despite sitting out four games for violating the substance policy. Several players, including Miami end Jason Taylor, who was voted the top defensive player, criticized Merriman receiving such honors.

"Our players are the ones who stood up and said they don't want this in our game and that somebody who violates this doesn't deserve a Pro Bowl spot," Goodell said.

He cited the hiring of Mike Tomlin as coach of the Steelers and the presence of Tony Dungy and Lovie Smith as head coaches in the Super Bowl as further proof the "Rooney Rule" on minority hirings is working. Steelers owner Dan Rooney wrote the rule that requires teams to interview minority candidates for off-field jobs.

"I hope someday the Rooney Rule will not be necessary," Goodell said. "The clubs are benefiting and, of course, it's the right thing to do."

On other issues, Goodell:

expressed confidence that the league and union will continue to have labor peace; the collective bargaining agreement runs through 2010. Owners have an option of voiding the CBA in 2008 to possibly restructure the way they and the union do business in the salary-cap era.

said the league is conducting its own investigation of urine or blood testing for human growth hormone.

addressed complaints from retired players about their pensions, saying "we're very concerned to see one of our former players who made this game great have medical issues. We have to sit down and be creative. We need to address that directly with them."

reiterated the league's opposition to gambling and "keeping a strong line between the NFL and sports betting. I don't think it is in the best interest of the NFL to have any association with sports betting."

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