James Daulton
Footballguy
Meh, I'll take the Model S's slick looking sedan profile over the supercar Porsche look.fantasycurse42 said:
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Insoxicated
Prius is a hybrid, and is generally pretty ugly / cheaply made. It has its niche and is a solid car, but isn’t a true EV.
culdeus
Footballguy
Prius has PHEV models since 2015. The 2018 gets 30 miles on a charge which covers the median us commute.
PHEV is really the cure for the absurd range anxiety that Americans have.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Model S looks stale at this point, even the fanboys know this by now.
Prob 2021-2022 it’ll get its much needed redesign.
James Daulton
Footballguy
joffer
Footballguy
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Take your blinders off, buddy.sure it does
Model S has been in production going on almost 7 years coming into 2019.
Just about every other luxury auto manufacturer in the world has a production cycle that lasts around 7 years, there is a reason for this.
Foosball God
Foos
Some cars also have a timeless design. I don't know if I'd say the S is there, but if you think a car is stale after 7 years automatically then you are wrong.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Are we comparing mass produced Teslas to unique timeless cars in here?
I love Range Rovers, but by the end of their last production run, which I think went over 10 years, I wanted to barf at the site of one.
Foosball God
Foos
Are 911s not mass produced? Mustangs? Not every single version of a car is timeless, but that doesn't mean that there aren't any either. You're also trying to make out like I said any car is timeless. Range Rovers? GTFO of here.
joffer
Footballguy
James Daulton
Footballguy
The S may go away but that doesn't mean it's general design is tired at all. As has been mentioned BMW makes few changes other than small tweaks and the 911 is basically the same car it was when I was kid. Tesla hit a home run with the model S design and I think it's holding up nicely.Foosball God said:
Foosball God
Foos
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
I kinda think you're both right. I really like the design of the S. The tweaks they made to the '16 to get rid of the nose cone gave a little bit of variability, but as someone who was recently shopping them, it wasn't enough to move the needle from one to the other. It made decision-making easier. Find the options you want and the right cost/mileage, and you're done. I wouldn't have minded a little something to freshen it up a bit and make it more of a decision. The thing is, there's probably more room for them to screw it up than there is for them to get a big win out of it. And if it's going away soon anyway, there's really no point.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I actually think the S is a nice car (as it should with a starting price in 70s and tricked out well into 6 figures), I’m just not a dedicated fanboy who will say they can do no wrong and love it regardless.
It’s also fun to drive, the torque with no noise is really cool, just the sound of air, whoooooooosh.
This is a simple consumer decision. Why am I buying a 2019 model for $100k when the 2012 model is very similar?
It’s time for a redesign of the high end model, it’s a simple statement.
jb1020
Footballguy
Does anyone know if all years of the Model S will be capable of having the "enhanced AP" or is there like a cutoff as to which ones have the capabilities?
Isn't there AP1 then AP2 and now the latest versions is "enhanced AP"
Just curious if you bought a used 2016 will you be able to upgrade it or is it limited?
Isn't there AP1 then AP2 and now the latest versions is "enhanced AP"
Just curious if you bought a used 2016 will you be able to upgrade it or is it limited?
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
If that's something you're worried about, I believe you need to at least start with AP2. AP1 can not be upgraded. iirc, Musk said it would be like getting a spinal cord transplant.
jb1020
Footballguy
Just curious. I flip between a new Model 3 or a used S. But if a 2016 S can no longer be upgraded I don't think I'd be interested.
Buying one of these is almost like buying an iphone now. I can get a cheap iphone 4 and be happy with it, but it won't be anything compared to the 10.
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
Pretty good summary here:
https://fealey.co.uk/tesla/differences-between-tesla-autopilot-1-and-autopilot-2/839
https://fealey.co.uk/tesla/differences-between-tesla-autopilot-1-and-autopilot-2/839
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
I bought a 2015 S, but Autopilot doesn't really move the needle much for me. Might I feel differently in 5 years if autonomous cars have become so standard that mine is viewed as a dinosaur? Sure. And maybe I'll regret that decision, though I doubt it. It should be a consideration.
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
That's quick turnaround. Existing stock, I assume.
xulf
Footballguy
Ya - they are pushing since the tax credit goes away at the end of the year. Shipping it to Columbus from St. Louis.
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Van Dyman
Footballguy
Musk shows interest in buying soon-to-close GM plants for Tesla
This seems like a pipe dream right now. It's hard to imagine them trucking lithium-ion cells from Nevada to the great lakes or Maryland. They do have gigafactory-2 in Buffalo, NY. It only produces solar cells but if they could expand it to produce li-ion, well that Oshawa, Ontario plant is just across the lake/border from Buffalo and Lordstown, OH is pretty close, too.
Still, none of that seems likely to me.
This seems like a pipe dream right now. It's hard to imagine them trucking lithium-ion cells from Nevada to the great lakes or Maryland. They do have gigafactory-2 in Buffalo, NY. It only produces solar cells but if they could expand it to produce li-ion, well that Oshawa, Ontario plant is just across the lake/border from Buffalo and Lordstown, OH is pretty close, too.
Still, none of that seems likely to me.
culdeus
Footballguy
The cells used to come from Japan. The cell production is not the bottleneck and moving them is relatively easy.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
xulf
Footballguy
The base model is $35,000 and I'm not sure if they even have any of those. This one is $55k.
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
I don't know what you're calling the $45k model, but when I was talking with the guy at their showroom, they had Mid-Range (RWD), Long-Range (AWD) and Performance models all available if you were flexible enough with the features you wanted. The standard battery isn't available at all yet. They had very few of the Mid-Range, mind you, but they did have a couple. First exchange I had with the guy:
"I'm not really interested if I can't take delivery by 12/31."
"I can get you one in 48 hours if you're flexible."
xulf
Footballguy
Ya - i think we would have waited a couple years if i wasnt guaranteed delivery by 12/31. They are trying to get push out as much inventory as they possibly can by year's end. I told them the specs I wanted and they had one in Pittsburgh and one in St. Louis.
ETA - we are picking it up on Sunday.
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James Daulton
Footballguy
Congrats. I'll have to be thinking hard about a new Model 3 vs a used S in a few months.xulf said:
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Mid-Range RWD is the $45k model. It is the most recent one they released.Bob Sacamano said:
$46k or $32k after savings and incentives!!!!
Bob Sacamano
Footballguy
Seems odd to call the model that costs $46k the $45k model. Especially when it starts at $47,500.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
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joffer
Footballguy
same here. i like the autosteer on the interstate, but that's about it. i like driving it.
xulf
Footballguy
Driving this car is such a different experience in a totally good way. The rest of the car world has a lot of catching up to do. Just love it.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
James Daulton
Footballguy
So jealous.xulf said:
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Rivian R1T pickemup truck
Was at the LA Auto show, due out in 2021. 0-60 in under 3 seconds, with a range of 400 miles.
Elon tweeted last month the Tesla pickup prototype event *might* be in 2019 with production beginning in 2020. Tesla time, so add 6-18 months.
Was at the LA Auto show, due out in 2021. 0-60 in under 3 seconds, with a range of 400 miles.
Elon tweeted last month the Tesla pickup prototype event *might* be in 2019 with production beginning in 2020. Tesla time, so add 6-18 months.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
180 kwh battery
obvs the Cd is not at all comparable to the Model S (lowest Cd of any vehicle) but:
Model S 100D (100 kWh) - 335 miles
Model 3 LR (75 kWh) - 310
Model X 100D (100 kWh) - 289
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James Daulton
Footballguy
Was reading an article on the absurdly low number of used Model 3s available for sale. Something like if you compare the number of model 3s made with the amount of used inventory to similarly priced bmw's and audi's, there are like 20x more used bmw's and audi's for sale.
People seem to love their Teslas.
People seem to love their Teslas.
culdeus
Footballguy
Foosball God
Foos
So I'm probably going to be going the used S route sometime this spring. I've heard tell of some banks that will give you an interest rate reduction for zero emission cars, anyone here have a loan like that? Any recommendations?
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Hell, the rare 2008 Roadsters I see out in the wild still turn my head.
Design is one thing this company does right.
dkp993
Footballguy
I’ve noticed this too as I’m in the market for a used one. I’m in Tesla land (SoCal) and there is still almost none for sale. A fair amount of S’s for sale but prefer the 3 all things (price primarily) being equal.
