jb1020
Footballguy
I guess there’s a back log of AWD’s without an owner, but a waiting list of the long range rwds.
A lot of goggling tells me they’ll knock $4k off the price. I hope that’s accurate.
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A lot of goggling tells me they’ll knock $4k off the price. I hope that’s accurate.
Foosball God
Foos
My delivery is set for Sunday, no one has contacted me about an AWD discount but not sure I would go that route anyway. Not seeing a big need for AWD, it's less range and what? The piece of mind of AWD? Meh.
jb1020
Footballguy
matttyl
Footballguy
jb1020
Footballguy
It is. This is from their web.
Tesla All-Wheel Drive has two independent motors. Unlike traditional all-wheel drive systems, these two motors digitally control torque to the front and rear wheels—for far better handling and traction control. Your car can drive on either motor, so you never need to worry about getting stuck on the road. If one motor stops working, you can safely continue to your destination with the second.
Jobber
Footballguy
That’s pretty amazing. I need the cost to come down a bit more t be able to justify this.
xulf
Footballguy
We have the LR AWD version. Being in Ohio, having AWD is a way better option than rear-wheel with all the ice and snow we get.
matttyl
Footballguy
Not sure if mentioned here yet or not, but the Model Y (and eventually the 3 as well), will be able to do some towing. No details or anything, but having a tow receiver gives one the ability for a bike rack, and potentially towing a small trailer around. Makes that model Y look even better for me, personally.
Foosball God
Foos
Foosball God
Foos
Foosball God
Foos
I can see the appeal there, but even the RWD performs well in the snow from what I understand. I'm just saying there appears to be a limited use case for it.
matttyl
Footballguy
Slightly better performance, better handling, better in snow/ice/mud. And an insurance policy. Will definitely be looking at the AWD version of the Y when they become more mainstream.
ETA - "slightly better performance," according to Teslas numbers is the difference between a 5.0 0-60 time and a 4.5. That's pretty much the difference between Ford's base Mustang and their Mustang GT with "performance pack"....which with them is an $8-9k upgrade.
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Foosball God
Foos
Decrease in range supercedes those for me, but I can understand how others might weigh those higher.
matttyl
Footballguy
Only a few miles, right? Also, is is possible to use the AWD model in a RWD mode to save on distance?
Foosball God
Foos
Everything is just a few in one direction or the other. The AWD gets 15 fewer miles. The AWD lets you go 5 mph faster (145 vs. 140), I'm not going anywhere that fast anyway. 0-60 is 0.5 seconds faster on the AWD vs RWD. I don't know if you can switch the AWD to RWD and if that would give you more range or not.
jb1020
Footballguy
Got my offer. I can upgrade from the LR RWD to the LR AWD for $1030.
Its the same silver color but the AWD comes with the white interior, which I like.
Most essentially knocking off $3000 the original price. It has 20 miles on it, been sitting in the show room.
think I’m gonna do it. Seems like a no brainer
Its the same silver color but the AWD comes with the white interior, which I like.
Most essentially knocking off $3000 the original price. It has 20 miles on it, been sitting in the show room.
think I’m gonna do it. Seems like a no brainer
Nugget
Footballguy
dkp993
Footballguy
Foosball God
Foos
Seems like a good deal.jb1020 said:
Dragons
Delusions of Grandeur
Local dealer got a Kona EV in stock, so I stopped in to test drive today (and experience the heavy sales pressure everyone loves). Man is it small. Front cockpit is fine, but theres no way a 6' man can fit in the back seat.
I also accidentally stopped in at the Kia dealer first. No Kona EVs there
, (or Niro EVs). When discussing the delays with getting deliveries, the sales manager says Kia can make plenty of batteries, they're just intenionally limiting supply to create demand and raise the sales price 
.
Has anyone been in both a Kona and a model 3? Is there more room in the 3?
I also accidentally stopped in at the Kia dealer first. No Kona EVs there
, (or Niro EVs). When discussing the delays with getting deliveries, the sales manager says Kia can make plenty of batteries, they're just intenionally limiting supply to create demand and raise the sales price .Has anyone been in both a Kona and a model 3? Is there more room in the 3?
dkp993
Footballguy
Haven’t been in the Kona but have been the 3. For its size it’s extremely roomy. It felt bigger inside than my Audi A6. I’m 6 feet tall 200 pounds and fit in the backseat very comfortably.Local dealer got a Kona EV in stock, so I stopped in to test drive today (and experience the heavy sales pressure everyone loves). Man is it small. Front cockpit is fine, but theres no way a 6' man can fit in the back seat.
I also accidentally stopped in at the Kia dealer first. No Kona EVs there
Has anyone been in both a Kona and a model 3? Is there more room in the 3?
jb1020
Footballguy
Headed to Nashville to pick up the 3 tomorrow! I was hoping for home delivery, but my schedule the next 3 weeks is kind of crazy so we'll just make the 5 hour drive.
Without even asking Tesla set up a rental car for me to pick up in my home town. That seems huge to me. Makes the trip so much easier.
A few minutes after that I had a separate call from a Tesla rep. The computer hadn't updated my pick up date yet, but he said since it was the end up the quarter they were having a big push to get out as many cars as possible by April 1. He said they were offering a free wall charger ($500 value) if I would be willing to pick it up by March 31st.
Without even asking Tesla set up a rental car for me to pick up in my home town. That seems huge to me. Makes the trip so much easier.
A few minutes after that I had a separate call from a Tesla rep. The computer hadn't updated my pick up date yet, but he said since it was the end up the quarter they were having a big push to get out as many cars as possible by April 1. He said they were offering a free wall charger ($500 value) if I would be willing to pick it up by March 31st.
matttyl
Footballguy
So all in, you got a discounted upgrade to the AWD model, a free rental car, and a free wall charger?Headed to Nashville to pick up the 3 tomorrow! I was hoping for home delivery, but my schedule the next 3 weeks is kind of crazy so we'll just make the 5 hour drive.
Without even asking Tesla set up a rental car for me to pick up in my home town. That seems huge to me. Makes the trip so much easier.
A few minutes after that I had a separate call from a Tesla rep. The computer hadn't updated my pick up date yet, but he said since it was the end up the quarter they were having a big push to get out as many cars as possible by April 1. He said they were offering a free wall charger ($500 value) if I would be willing to pick it up by March 31st.
Foosball God
Foos
Midwest bias. They haven't offered me ####.
jb1020
Footballguy
On paper it was a $3800 discount from a full price AWD. From the time they offered to the time I accepted the price of that same car went up $2000.
I like to tell my wife it was about a $6000 discount.
I haven't asked for any of this either...fantastic overall experience.
jb1020
Footballguy
dkp993
Footballguy
I’m so struggling with this decision still. Some great deals are popping up on used S’s, even seen a few 90’s in the low 40’s with mileage in the 30’s.
James Daulton
Footballguy
I like the extra room in the S and the body style is still a head turner for me. If I pull the trigger it will be a used, low mileage S.
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jb1020
Footballguy
Yeah, so this car is fun. I doubt I've ever mentioned it, but I've never had a nice car...much less a fast car. I had never driven one until I pulled off the lot Friday afternoon. It was depressing because I sat in bumper to bumper traffic on I-65 just south of Nashville for an hour or 2. After the traffic finally broke it was on!
Cruising at 70 and having that power to overtake a car at those speeds is something I wasn't ready for. I know 0-60 on this model is 4.6 secs, but I'm guessing 50-110 is also 4.6 secs.
Super Charging was fun, not too much of a hassle. I didn't know, but the lower your range the faster it charges. I pulled into Birmingham with 65 miles left and after 25 minutes I had 230 miles of range.
I did not get AP, but I got the notification this morning that my 60 day trial started. I might need some tips on that. Can I Buy AP for $3000 after my trail? While I think its awesome, the summon feature scares the hell out of me...
Cruising at 70 and having that power to overtake a car at those speeds is something I wasn't ready for. I know 0-60 on this model is 4.6 secs, but I'm guessing 50-110 is also 4.6 secs.
Super Charging was fun, not too much of a hassle. I didn't know, but the lower your range the faster it charges. I pulled into Birmingham with 65 miles left and after 25 minutes I had 230 miles of range.
I did not get AP, but I got the notification this morning that my 60 day trial started. I might need some tips on that. Can I Buy AP for $3000 after my trail? While I think its awesome, the summon feature scares the hell out of me...
joffer
Footballguy
Congrats!
And yes charging starts fast and slows down as the battery gets closer to full. The analogy i've heard and used here is think of filling a milk jug with a pressure washer when you can't spill any.
jb1020
Footballguy
Shoot_Me_Now
Footballguy
Is it possible you’re just a blind fanboy? It’s a serious question.
Let’s have a look at the evidence.
1) Two rounds of layoffs.
- Please name the last successful high growth company that had one yet alone multiple rounds of layoffs during their highest growth phase
- https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/09/teslas-model-3-worries-delivery-employees-said-to-be-cut.html
- While I won’t say the word of former employees is factually correct, you do have to consider this report. If this report is true and a large number of employees are leaving from the delivery team, that spells gigantic issues, I don’t care how any fanboy wants to spin it, that’s a gargantuan negative.
2) CFO departing. He worked with Musk for 7 years before leaving, came back for 2 and left again. He isn’t leaving bc he can’t work with Musk, the evidence points to the contrary, so why is he leaving during what should be a huge success period for the company. This should be when his stock options skyrocket in value. If that’s what he thought, the odds that he’d be leaving unless he has some sort of terminal disease are somewhere between slim and none.
3) Price cuts across the board on all models. Some of them multiple times. Who cuts prices when demand is soaring? That isn’t how supply/demand work.
4) CEO/Chairman lying about a buyout to burn shorts. This is unheard of behavior, but I’m sure you can somehow defend that.
I can keep going, but fanboys aren’t interested in facts and evidence, so there really is no point.
With the above, if this was any other company in the world, the stock would’ve been halved in the last 6 months. Best quote I’ve read about Tesla in the last year was a joke; company could file bankruptcy and still be valued at $30B by its investors
And the house of cards begins to collapse.
77k cars produced in Q1 with 63k delivered. A whopping 31% decline from Q4 2018. Even worse, a 56% decline in their portfolio that was profitable (before the price cuts anyway.) Inventory piling up with dwindling demand will unwind this magic show in a hurry.
But the demand is strong! Who cares about the price cuts! They need more production capacity!
FC took a lot of heat in here but the signs were all right there in the above post. Will be an interesting few months ahead for Tesla.
jb1020
Footballguy
Had a 100 mile drive in a pretty bad thunderstorm yesterday and the AWD was fantastic. I had a Subaru about 12 years ago and I know its AWD, but I never felt anything different driving it. It was like the Tesla would double down when you'd hit standing water.
Its a quite ride too in the rain. I was thinking the glass roof might make it noisy in the pouring rain.
I did leave yesterday with 140 miles of range for a trip of 113 miles. I set the cruise to 73 mph and about 20 miles in I had a pop up telling me to slow down if I wanted to make my destination. I ended up knocking it down to 63mph and the range ended up holding pretty true.
Its a quite ride too in the rain. I was thinking the glass roof might make it noisy in the pouring rain.
I did leave yesterday with 140 miles of range for a trip of 113 miles. I set the cruise to 73 mph and about 20 miles in I had a pop up telling me to slow down if I wanted to make my destination. I ended up knocking it down to 63mph and the range ended up holding pretty true.
joffer
Footballguy
yeah I think the range usually assumes about 65mph. did you have the display set to show your average Wh/mile for the last 15/30 miles? If so do you remember what it generally showed?
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Foosball God
Foos
Yeah, opposite of ICE vehicles highway driving is the worst for mileage because there isn't much opportunity for regenerative braking. I took mine on road trip and I first was told to slow to below 70 and then below 60 for awhile to make sure I made it to the Supercharger. I made it with 20 miles of range left.
joffer
Footballguy
I seem to do better on the highway as long as i'm under 70, even with regenerative braking enabled. I have no idea why. probably because of my jackrabbit starts in stop and go.
edit: for me (75KWhr battery and 250 mi range), I should theoretically be at 300Wh/mile or lower for a mile of advertised range to actually get me a mile. that's about what I see in reality
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jb1020
Footballguy
After I slowed to 63 my projected range went up. I should have kept that in mind. I was trying to make a 280 mile round trip travel on a full tank. It didnt happen, but it I would have traveled 60-65 on the HWY on the way up I probably would have been fine.
I had access to a 110 plug over night. It helped enough to get me home.
dkp993
Footballguy
This might be the hardest part for me (slower driving on the freeway). Living in So-Cal I do a ton of freeway driving for my job and basically always drive 80mph. How badly will this affect my range (assuming Model S 85)? I have a hard time picturing driving 65/70, I'll get run off the road around here. TIA
I don't have a tesla, but I have an electric car and my ~17 mile drive to work can be anywhere from 3.0 - 5.5 kwh depending on traffic conditions. The best conditions seem to be slight traffic when you are going 40-50. Worst is no traffic when you just go 80 the whole way.
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joffer
Footballguy
tough to quantify it. you might check the Tesla forums for help. if you’re regularly going 80, you might take a 15-20% hit on range.
Terminalxylem
Footballguy
I had a reservation (actually 3 - long story) for the Model 3. After a lot of thought, I've decided to cancel them all for a few reasons:
1. I felt a bit deceived by the "every car will come equipped with autopilot" promise. While technically true, the multi-thousand dollar activation fee wasn't appreciated.
2. I also didn't like the delay in releasing the base $35K model, as they knew many prospective buyers were enticed by that price point.
3. By the time the base was released, there was ~1 week window to make the purchase and qualify for the $7500 rebate. I don't think that pressure was accidental.
Don't get me wrong, I've driven the 3 and it appears to be an awesome car. And probably all the above gripes are good business decisions. But Tesla definitely lost my business as a result of the process
1. I felt a bit deceived by the "every car will come equipped with autopilot" promise. While technically true, the multi-thousand dollar activation fee wasn't appreciated.
2. I also didn't like the delay in releasing the base $35K model, as they knew many prospective buyers were enticed by that price point.
3. By the time the base was released, there was ~1 week window to make the purchase and qualify for the $7500 rebate. I don't think that pressure was accidental.
Don't get me wrong, I've driven the 3 and it appears to be an awesome car. And probably all the above gripes are good business decisions. But Tesla definitely lost my business as a result of the process
culdeus
Footballguy
I don't get how 3 is true.I had a reservation (actually 3 - long story) for the Model 3. After a lot of thought, I've decided to cancel them all for a few reasons:
1. I felt a bit deceived by the "every car will come equipped with autopilot" promise. While technically true, the multi-thousand dollar activation fee wasn't appreciated.
2. I also didn't like the delay in releasing the base $35K model, as they knew many prospective buyers were enticed by that price point.
3. By the time the base was released, there was ~1 week window to make the purchase and qualify for the $7500 rebate. I don't think that pressure was accidental.
Don't get me wrong, I've driven the 3 and it appears to be an awesome car. And probably all the above gripes are good business decisions. But Tesla definitely lost my business as a result of the process
Dragons
Delusions of Grandeur
The $35k model (SR) and $37k (now $37.5k) SR+ were announced end of Feb 2019. The $7500 tax credit expired Dec 31, 2018.
It was known since at least fall 2018 that the base model would not be available to utilize the full tax credit.
AFAIK, no SR were delivered in March. But, the SR is still eligible for $3750 tax credit which expires 6/30/19.
It was known since at least fall 2018 that the base model would not be available to utilize the full tax credit.
AFAIK, no SR were delivered in March. But, the SR is still eligible for $3750 tax credit which expires 6/30/19.
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
I'm not sure how this would fit into the timeline that you mentioned--but didn't Tesla start talking deposits on Model 3's in 2016? My guess is that some people that put really early deposits on the more affordable models probably thought they would be eligible the larger tax credit. With that said--that's just pure speculation on my part.
Dragons
Delusions of Grandeur
Yes, i believe most of the initial reservations were hoping for the $35k version and the full tax credit.
It became clear in 2018 that it wasn't going to happen. The timeline shows there was no one week period where the SR was available during the full tax credit.
I totally get the annoyance of the late SR release, but there is zero chance #3 is factually correct unless somehow he was offered the SR a full 2 months ahead of the announced release. If he was some kind of small population that was offered it early, he should have jumped on it.
