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Electric Cars (Tesla and Others) (2 Viewers)

I mean it looks like a pickup truck for people that use trucks. But people that buy trucks don't actually use them.  They want an oversized SUV with an Al fresco trunk.  

 
culdeus said:
I mean it looks like a pickup truck for people that use trucks. But people that buy trucks don't actually use them.  They want an oversized SUV with an Al fresco trunk.  
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Really? Because most folks that I know that really “use” trucks either use them for work or use them to tow. For work, I don’t see an obvious way to add a ladder rack, which is kind of a big deal. And work trucks often have tool boxes and compartments built into the back of the truck in some way and there doesn’t seem like a great obvious way to do that with this truck either. 
 

As for towing, on the one hand, it has tremendous torque so towing a bunch of weight and not getting bogged down seems like a natural fit. On the other hand, it wasn’t really mentioned how much that will reduce distance on a charge. If I’m towing a large camper, boat, or piece of equipment, how much is my distance going to be cut?

I like that Musk is pushing the industry though. This may have flaws, but at least it’s doing something to push the industry in a new direction. While other companies make cool concept cars but then play it safe and take baby steps in innovation, Tesla is taking radical concept vehicles and putting them into production.

 
jb1020 said:
Did Tesla really make an ATV, or was that just to show off the loading capabilities?  
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I believe they actually made one.

As for the truck, the low price model has way less range than I would expect, and you'd have to think that if you're towing something it will get even less than that.

 
Foosball God said:
I believe they actually made one.

As for the truck, the low price model has way less range than I would expect, and you'd have to think that if you're towing something it will get even less than that.
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Well, it's a 40k electric truck that will cost you nothing in maintenance. So sort of expected.

Mid-range with 300 miles seems like the sweet spot for every day use. 

 
Foosball God said:
I believe they actually made one.

As for the truck, the low price model has way less range than I would expect, and you'd have to think that if you're towing something it will get even less than that.
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Yeah, it has to have a pretty good impact.  I'm sure that will be cleared up soon.  If I was guessing the impact on range would be similar to any truck pulling a heavy load.  

Supercharging with a trailer seems impossible at the moment.  

 
Worm said:
Well, it's a 40k electric truck that will cost you nothing in maintenance. So sort of expected.

Mid-range with 300 miles seems like the sweet spot for every day use. 
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Thats what they were going for with this.  He said a few months ago the average pickup in the US is $51k.  Followed that up last night saying the top 3 vehicles sold in the US are all trucks.  

They've done their homework.  I like that its different....but I've always liked different.  

 
"Can I drive to work, haul all the #### I need to haul, tow anything I need to tow, use it in whatever capacity I need to use it all day, and drive home without having to charge it?"

If they can answer yes to that question, they'll have a shot with people who are OK with the aesthetic.  If they can't, they're screwed. 

 
I think theres a place in the market for it.  I'm a perfect example.  I'd like to have a truck cause things I like to do require them.  I like to tent camp, I like ride bikes with the kids, I have 2 kayaks that pretty much just hang on my wall.  I used to do these things on a regular basis, but about 10 years ago I got sick of putting $70 worth of gas in my Tundra every 3 or 4 days.  I couldn't justify my truck ownership any longer.  

Ended up trading my Tundra for a Prius.  Now I rarely kayak, have to have pinestraw and mulch delivered to the house.  I'd use a truck if I had one, but not enough to justify the cost of ownership.  

I have an option now.  

 
i hope that from now on testla only makes cars that are a shape like hey look here we got our new 2020 triangle and over here we got our new 2020 rectangle it would make it simpler for purchasers without having to remember fancy names and would probably start a trend take that to the bank brochachos 

 
I mean you pull up the rear angle and make it a van, strip the 2nd row out and you got a delivery vehicle and a real work truck.  

 
jb1020 said:
I'm tuned in.  I love trucks, but have always hated putting gas in them.  I went from a full size Tundra to a Prius in 2009.  I can't justify the gas bill just to pick up pine straw or take my bike or kayak somewhere a few times a year.  

Truck is rumored to start at $50k and have a 400 mile range.  We'll know soon enough.  My guess is the $50k truck will have a 250ish range.  It will be $60k to get anything with a 400 mile range.  Just a guess though.  

The average truck in the US is $51k.  Telsa can hit a home run with this thing if the truck guys can come around to it.  
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How do you justify the cost of the truck then?

I just bought a 2019 ram 1500 4x4 hemi bighorn edition for 32k including TT&L. That 20,000 dollar difference buys a lot of gas.

This is if you are just shopping on price. I know that Ford's and Toyota's tend to be 10k more for similarly equipped. But that still puts them significantly cheaper than the Tesla.

If you can't justify the gas bill on a truck then you cannot justify the purchase price of the tesla "truck".

 
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My town just installed two Tesla charging stations, on their two "electric cars only" parking spots.  Free charging during the day really changes up my calculations for one of these.  Want to wait for a Y, though.

 
jb1020 said:
Thats what they were going for with this.  He said a few months ago the average pickup in the US is $51k.  Followed that up last night saying the top 3 vehicles sold in the US are all trucks.  

They've done their homework.  I like that its different....but I've always liked different.  
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Why couldn’t it be different AND cool? This is just dumb. The guy who 3D printed a Lamborghini did a better job. 

Reinvent the “truck” and give us what we don’t even know we need.

I say no way are they coming to market with anything remotely close to this pos. Given time they’ll do it “right.”

 
Johnny Rock said:
Why couldn’t it be different AND cool? This is just dumb. The guy who 3D printed a Lamborghini did a better job. 

Reinvent the “truck” and give us what we don’t even know we need.

I say no way are they coming to market with anything remotely close to this pos. Given time they’ll do it “right.”
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Yup, if it was this or this, I am getting one. Zero interest in a Pontiac Aztek with a bed.

 
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Worm said:
I mean, it didn't shatter into a million pieces so there's that lol.

I read somewhere that they did 5 test runs back stage and all was good, but the guy still told Elon he doesn't think he should do it on stage. Elon had him do it anyway. 
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I’m not sure what Elon was expecting or what he thinks the glass actually does, but it seems to me that it actually performed exactly as it should. 
 

Bulletproof glass is made out of alternating layers of basically plastic and glass. It’s rigid but spreads the impact out over the surface of the glass. When impacted by objects with larger surfaces, the impact is already spread out more and the glass will likely hold. If the object impacting the glass has its mass concentrated over a very small surface area, like a bullet or a pointy rock, then that energy is going to crack the glass and laminate and those cracks are going to quickly spread all throughout the layers of the glass and cave it in. What it’s NOT going to do is allow the object through, create shrapnel, or leave a bunch of jagged edges.

And if they truly did test that exact vehicle and window backstage, they really are stupid. An impact may not result in catastrophic damage, but can still create microscopic cracks and weak points so that the next hit WILL create visible damage.

It just seems like Elon didn’t really understand the technology behind the windows and how it performs. If I was sitting in that car and a kid threw that rock off of a bridge at me, I’d be thrilled that it only shattered the glass and caved it in rather than coming through the glass and caving my head in.

 
It can be ugly as long as it's functional.  Does it look very functional?  Maybe this fits in the space for those that want to drive a truck, but don't need a truck.  The aesthetics might be a problem for that segment though.

My BIL is a Tesla fanatic.  They have a 3 and own a newer F150 for hauling a big camper and boat.  I need to ask him what he thinks.

 
MTskibum said:
How do you justify the cost of the truck then?

I just bought a 2019 ram 1500 4x4 hemi bighorn edition for 32k including TT&L. That 20,000 dollar difference buys a lot of gas.

This is if you are just shopping on price. I know that Ford's and Toyota's tend to be 10k more for similarly equipped. But that still puts them significantly cheaper than the Tesla.

If you can't justify the gas bill on a truck then you cannot justify the purchase price of the tesla "truck".
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I like to save up and buy a car when I'm ready.  I'd drive myself crazy thinking I'd  buy a cheaper truck then set aside $20k for gas the next 4-5 years.   Just personal preference.  

I've become environmentally conscious the past 8-10 years.  Going thru gas like the big trucks do just isn't for me anymore.  I feel better trying to pitch in and do my part when I can.  

 
Elon's trolling us, and he's laughing at all the fanboys that are falling over themselves to praise this lincoln log design.

 
jb1020 said:
I like to save up and buy a car when I'm ready.  I'd drive myself crazy thinking I'd  buy a cheaper truck then set aside $20k for gas the next 4-5 years.   Just personal preference.  

I've become environmentally conscious the past 8-10 years.  Going thru gas like the big trucks do just isn't for me anymore.  I feel better trying to pitch in and do my part when I can.  
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That is good to be environmentally conscious and if you want to buy a truck for that reason then great. Your previous post spoke about cost though and that is why i quoted it.  Cost of ownership would be cheaper with a traditional internal combustion engine.

Gas mileage has improved greatly even on the trucks. In city traffic I get 17 mpg and I have a lead foot. People that are in the country and drive more conservatively can see in the low 20's average on most half ton truck models, Toyota and Nissan excluded as they get awful mileage.

I support the electric car movement and may consider an electric F-150 in the future assuming they are at all reasonable in range, towing, and most importantly, cost.

 
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Have to assume the glass thing was staged, to get maximum media coverage.  No way does that happen -- TWICE -- by accident.  

 
How much weed was Elon smoking when he decided to name this thing “Cybertruck”? I thought we stopped adding “cyber” to everything in like 2003.

 
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