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The Model S has an excellent ride, I've said that multiple times in this thread. I also think the appearance is stale and needs to be retired. The X is the most hideous thing I've ever seen and I hate the interior of the 3.
You read the thread, or is this just a dynamite drop in? Bobby quoted something I said about 4 months ago (for whatever reason) strictly related to the financials of the company. I lean very slightly to the side that says the CFO has something to do with the financials of a company.
I have not said one word about Musk today.
For sure. I drive an Audi A6 and really really like it, but will be out of it by mid year and have a Model 3.
It's a complete crap shoot right now buying one of their cars. The CPO program went away and they are doing a terrible job moving Used Cars. Multiple missed delivery dates, can't obtain titles for months, etc. Unbelievably bad service. Meanwhile they are shipping the 3s without any wrap on the front end or roof. Ton of people have rejected their car at delivery because the paint jobs need so much correction.
Is it possible you’re just a blind fanboy? It’s a serious question.
Could it be that the product is that good and that unique as to be able to overcome management issues? Aren't the model 3's selling really well and exceeding targets?Is it possible you’re just a blind fanboy? It’s a serious question.
Let’s have a look at the evidence.
1) Two rounds of layoffs.
- Please name the last successful high growth company that had one yet alone multiple rounds of layoffs during their highest growth phase
- https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/09/teslas-model-3-worries-delivery-employees-said-to-be-cut.html
- While I won’t say the word of former employees is factually correct, you do have to consider this report. If this report is true and a large number of employees are leaving from the delivery team, that spells gigantic issues, I don’t care how any fanboy wants to spin it, that’s a gargantuan negative.
2) CFO departing. He worked with Musk for 7 years before leaving, came back for 2 and left again. He isn’t leaving bc he can’t work with Musk, the evidence points to the contrary, so why is he leaving during what should be a huge success period for the company. This should be when his stock options skyrocket in value. If that’s what he thought, the odds that he’d be leaving unless he has some sort of terminal disease are somewhere between slim and none.
3) Price cuts across the board on all models. Some of them multiple times. Who cuts prices when demand is soaring? That isn’t how supply/demand work.
4) CEO/Chairman lying about a buyout to burn shorts. This is unheard of behavior, but I’m sure you can somehow defend that.
I can keep going, but fanboys aren’t interested in facts and evidence, so there really is no point.
With the above, if this was any other company in the world, the stock would’ve been halved in the last 6 months. Best quote I’ve read about Tesla in the last year was a joke; company could file bankruptcy and still be valued at $30B by its investors
If the article from CNBC this morning is true, and that is obviously far from a proven fact, but if if if it is true, the answer to your question is an overwhelming no.
The S/X cuts coincided with dropping the 75D battery option, and streamlining the order option to simplify production (in line with the minimal options when ordering the 3.) Probably also positioning the 100 kWh battery to be the new entry level.
What is remarkable is how little they have wavered from the vision laid out in August, 2006.
I don’t recall any name calling, if that’s a dig at me. My comment was you lacked a sense of humor. I made a comment about making a few dollars a share, it was a joke, I wasn’t bragging about makings few hundred dollars, it was a joke, I thought it was obvious.
The real challenge will be when the VW group rolls out their new MEB platform. They are the first major automaker to go all in on electric, they are planning to phase out all gasoline/diesel engines by 2026, which may seem like a long time, but in reality it is really fast for the automobile industry. In the end I think Tesla will end up being a high end luxury electric vehicle maker and then make money off their charging infrastructure. I think they will get overwhelmed in the cheaper EV market, but I credit them with being the straw that will break the ICE's back.
The charging infrastructure is a big reason Tesla works. But, I dont know if that is going to be a payday. Most people just upgrade the electrical at home and charge there.
Level 2 charging is fine for how most people charge 355-360 days a year. Plug in when you get home, leave with a full tank in the morning. Or if you have charging available at work. But for road tripping you have to have access to Level 3 DC fast charging. There simply is no widespread charging networks (CHAdeMO for Asian manufacturers, CCS for US/EU makers.) Huge gaps all along the East Coast, I presume it's nigh impossible to make a cross country drive at present. Level 1 / Level 2 is impractical for trips.
I’m seriously considering picking one up. Do you daily it? What’s your real world range? I’ve been studying up and I know they recommend a daily charge to 80%, just wondering what the range is like doing that. TIA.
That's where I'm at, though I'll be purchasing about this time next year. Also patiently waiting the Y and the truck.
I was just messing with youI drive 4-5k miles a year, and my automobile costs more than a fully loaded Model 3
You asked for evidence that he was a con man and criminal. He claimed he had funding secured, which was a con and criminal, a blatantly false statement.
Not sure if you’re serious or missing the joke. S 3 X Y.
Anyone know what the definition of a luxury vehicle is? I think the S and X qualify, but I'm hesitant putting the Model 3 in that category.
I **think** the automotive press uses a squishy dollar amount (above $50K? $60K? heck I know guys spending $70K on new pickups.)
I mainly use it to commute and run errands locally. You are correct Tesla does not recommend fully charging the battery. I can get 270+ miles on a charge. One cool feature is the map program can find chargers/super charges close to you location.
Thanks. I drive 100 to 200 miles a day so the savings on gas alone make it very appealing
