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Enough with sleeper wr's... (1 Viewer)

DaPummeller

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I've seen a lot of text about who could be the next breakout WR this year.

I'm looking to see who you think can break out at the RB position.

IOW, who are this year's Grant and Graham, and Ward??

Could Mewelde Moore take advantage in PIT?

Will DeShaun Foster finally make a name for himself in SF?

Is Cecil Sapp DEN's next 1000yrd rusher?

Strap it on and bring it...

:shrug:

 
Leon Washignton NYJ if of course the Jets don't draft one of the big name RB's. Washignton is the most dangerous player on the Jets teams and Mangini will find a way to utilize his best offensive weapon. The Jets have also revamped their O-line.

 
Whoever is a backup on a team that suffers injuries. I know that that is not exactly the answer anyone is looking for, but that's normally how guys get a chance to put up decent numbers somewhat unexpectedly.

Examples from recent years . . .

Graham

Grant

Watson

Betts

Droughns

Rudi Johnson

Rhodes

 
Whoever is a backup on a team that suffers injuries. I know that that is not exactly the answer anyone is looking for, but that's normally how guys get a chance to put up decent numbers somewhat unexpectedly.Examples from recent years . . .GrahamGrantWatsonBettsDroughnsRudi JohnsonRhodes
What back ups do you value right now Yudkin? or What teams do you value a back up RB putting up good fantasy numbers if the starter went down?
 
Whoever is a backup on a team that suffers injuries. I know that that is not exactly the answer anyone is looking for, but that's normally how guys get a chance to put up decent numbers somewhat unexpectedly.Examples from recent years . . .GrahamGrantWatsonBettsDroughnsRudi JohnsonRhodes
What back ups do you value right now Yudkin? or What teams do you value a back up RB putting up good fantasy numbers if the starter went down?
I think I saw either a staffer or poster post a statistical study looking at traditional workload. In 2007 there were 6 backs 300 plus regular season carries. 3 of those guys have been carrying that workload for a number of years: LT2, Edge, Portis. If I owned one of those 3 I would be sure to lock up those backups. Edge's has carried over 300 times during regular season 7 of 9 years, with a max of 389 in 2000. Although that is pretty amazing durabilty. The AZ backup is tops on my list.
 
Whoever is a backup on a team that suffers injuries. I know that that is not exactly the answer anyone is looking for, but that's normally how guys get a chance to put up decent numbers somewhat unexpectedly.Examples from recent years . . .GrahamGrantWatsonBettsDroughnsRudi JohnsonRhodes
What back ups do you value right now Yudkin? or What teams do you value a back up RB putting up good fantasy numbers if the starter went down?
Chester TaylorHere's my sleeper:TJ Duckett
 
Chris Taylor

Pierre Thomas

I think Travis Henry will be very underrated and will be a decent #2 RB in redrafts (especially at his going rate).

 
Let me be the first.

This thread is definitely a ploy to have Tatum Bell listed as a top RB sleeper.

In all honesty, if Detroit somehow isn't able to land a top RB, Bell could somehow keep the starting job he currently temporarily owns.

Another is Musa Smith. He is currently a FA and hasn't signed anywhere and won't until after the draft. However, he's only 25 and is an ideal RB build. Dirt cheap.

 
We'll all see FWP fold this year without Faneca making the huge holes he is use to. Mewalde will come in about week 6 and add a piece to the offense it's been missing. I think Mewalde will be one of the hotter rb's down the stretch.You say bold I say sleeper
So FWP will fail because Faneca is gone, but Moore will have success? Am I missing something here?
 
I love M. Moore and he can play, but I resolved myself a while ago to the fact that he can't be a featured back--he gets dinged up way too often. He could be a top 30 back in a job share, but not a top 15.

Woolf? Guy is a midget. When has anyone that small ever done anything meaningful in the NFL? For the Bears? No. They will draft a rookie who will be the most likely RB to put up numbers in that offense.

Booker? Guy had every opportunity in the world last year and when you put that in the context of a disappointing college career, it is hard to see how he can project as anything more than a role player. In PPR he could also be a top 40-50 guy, but that's tops.

Bell? No way Detroit doesn't make RB a top priority in draft. If the guy they draft gets hurt in pre-season, yes, there is a chance, but anyone who looks at Bell as more than a backup is making a risky move.

I like the Pierre Thomas suggestion, although even if he beats out or replaces Deuce (which I expect), he will still share carries with Bush. I could see him being a top 20-25 guy unless Bush also gets hurt (again).

SOMEone in Oakland: don't know yet if it will M. Bush, Fargas, or a rookie, but I think someone will emerge there and put up good numbers. Safe money is Fargas, but if we are looking for sleepers I would say M. Bush or a rookie that they draft (if Bush is permanently damaged goods).

 
We'll all see FWP fold this year without Faneca making the huge holes he is use to. Mewalde will come in about week 6 and add a piece to the offense it's been missing. I think Mewalde will be one of the hotter rb's down the stretch.You say bold I say sleeper
So FWP will fail because Faneca is gone, but Moore will have success? Am I missing something here?
I think Moore is more talented, it's that simple.
 
We'll all see FWP fold this year without Faneca making the huge holes he is use to. Mewalde will come in about week 6 and add a piece to the offense it's been missing. I think Mewalde will be one of the hotter rb's down the stretch.You say bold I say sleeper
So FWP will fail because Faneca is gone, but Moore will have success? Am I missing something here?
I think Moore is more talented, it's that simple.
So you'd draft Moore over Parker then?
 
We'll all see FWP fold this year without Faneca making the huge holes he is use to. Mewalde will come in about week 6 and add a piece to the offense it's been missing. I think Mewalde will be one of the hotter rb's down the stretch.You say bold I say sleeper
So FWP will fail because Faneca is gone, but Moore will have success? Am I missing something here?
I think Moore is more talented, it's that simple.
So you'd draft Moore over Parker then?
Doubtful. I am sure he means he would not draft Parker, and would draft Moore at the end of the draft.
 
Blackjacks said:
top 15 rb this yearMewelde Moore
Moore has the talent, there seemed to be problems between him and the Minn. coaching/management. Pittsburg has the offense to produce and FWP seems to be on somewhat shaky ground between his inury and previous overuse. There were crazier scenarios that played out last year with Grant and Graham. :goodposting:
 
i like Chris Brown in a zone-blocking system in Houston, should be a good fit. I could see him pushing 30+ Ahman Green for more carries. Of course he needs to stay healthy, that will never happen. But it's a really good situation worth the risk when he's the 35th RB chosen

 
duece2626 said:
Blackjacks said:
We'll all see FWP fold this year without Faneca making the huge holes he is use to. Mewalde will come in about week 6 and add a piece to the offense it's been missing. I think Mewalde will be one of the hotter rb's down the stretch.You say bold I say sleeper
So FWP will fail because Faneca is gone, but Moore will have success? Am I missing something here?
I see mewelde contributing GREATLY to the new passing game off the bat. If FWP goes down, i completely agree with Mewelde "Wheels" Moore breaking into the Top 20 in nonppr leagues. In PPR leagues Wheels is a major known sleeper. Davenport is FWP's main carry competition specifically shortyardage and goaline(we should all know and believe this).
 
Blackjacks said:
top 15 rb this yearMewelde Moore
Moore has the talent, there seemed to be problems between him and the Minn. coaching/management. Pittsburg has the offense to produce and FWP seems to be on somewhat shaky ground between his inury and previous overuse. There were crazier scenarios that played out last year with Grant and Graham. :boxing:
:football:
 
JPeso said:
duece2626 said:
Blackjacks said:
duece2626 said:
Blackjacks said:
We'll all see FWP fold this year without Faneca making the huge holes he is use to. Mewalde will come in about week 6 and add a piece to the offense it's been missing. I think Mewalde will be one of the hotter rb's down the stretch.You say bold I say sleeper
So FWP will fail because Faneca is gone, but Moore will have success? Am I missing something here?
I think Moore is more talented, it's that simple.
So you'd draft Moore over Parker then?
Doubtful. I am sure he means he would not draft Parker, and would draft Moore at the end of the draft.
Thank you
 
David Yudkin said:
Whoever is a backup on a team that suffers injuries. I know that that is not exactly the answer anyone is looking for, but that's normally how guys get a chance to put up decent numbers somewhat unexpectedly.

Examples from recent years . . .

Graham

Grant

Watson

Betts

Droughns

Rudi Johnson

Rhodes
Pretty close to the truth here. I mean, Ryan Grant was second in the league in rushing last season after the halfway mark. Not Brandon Jacobs, not Marion Barber, not Brian Westbrook, not ADP.......just little ol Ryan Grant. Camp fodder as it were in New York and Ted Thompson thought so high of him that he offered a 5th round pick for him, a probably later 5th rounder at that. Inconceivable!Seriously though, some good sleepers that I missed out on last season that were "the guy" in September. Jamal Lewis. I thought he was a spent nickel heading into the season. Apparently I was wrong. ANother is the guy that replaced him in Baltimore, McGahee. I figured he'd have more success than Lewis did, but nowhere near where he got to. Adrian Peterson was a sleeper too. He put up numbers that nobody expected.

Here are a few guys I want to keep my eyes on (PPR leagues):

Frank Gore - I doubt he slides too far, but if he does, he could blow up like he did in 06

Willie Parker - Touchdowns are flukey. I'd think he could easily bounce back to the 12-17 range on these, even losing Faneca.

Lendale White - 300 carries and 7 touchdowns. Not likely to happen again. One of the true workhorses in the NFL.

Earnest Graham - Unless Gruden is a dolt, he'll play his best back. Graham does it all, but without the hype of Caddy.

Laurence Maroney - Last year was Moss and Brady's year. But Maroney is the starting back on the best offense of all time. He went over 100 vs. Jax - Mia - NYJ - and SD to finish off the season. 4 out of his last 6 games were over 100. Problem might be again though, that the Pats save him for the playoffs.

Ronnie Brown - Leading the league in FP before injury. He's a one man gang down there in Miami

 
duece2626 said:
Blackjacks said:
We'll all see FWP fold this year without Faneca making the huge holes he is use to. Mewalde will come in about week 6 and add a piece to the offense it's been missing. I think Mewalde will be one of the hotter rb's down the stretch.You say bold I say sleeper
So FWP will fail because Faneca is gone, but Moore will have success? Am I missing something here?
I see mewelde contributing GREATLY to the new passing game off the bat. If FWP goes down, i completely agree with Mewelde "Wheels" Moore breaking into the Top 20 in nonppr leagues. In PPR leagues Wheels is a major known sleeper. Davenport is FWP's main carry competition specifically shortyardage and goaline(we should all know and believe this).
Moore always had the label of being "soft." I remember hearing that back in the Mike Tice days in Minnesota. I doubt he does much for the long term, but might have some stop-gap type of value.
 
i like Chris Brown in a zone-blocking system in Houston, should be a good fit. I could see him pushing 30+ Ahman Green for more carries. Of course he needs to stay healthy, that will never happen. But it's a really good situation worth the risk when he's the 35th RB chosen
Chrissy Brown? nah. He's ruined many a fantasy season with his hype and 'speed' and so on, and frankly, he's nothing more than a 300-400 yard/season guy..Ron Dayne is better option for Houston than either Green or Brown at this point. I think they draft a RB, perhaps Jonathan Stewart in the first round, but they will most definitely pick a RB within the first 2 picks, IMO. Whomever they select will be the starting RB in Houston this season and beyond. It's the one missing piece to their jigsaw puzzle, they've gotten better defensively, they have the

stud WR's, they just need that RB to complete the picture.

If you're looking for sleepers, I like guys like Fred Taylor, who's performance will be fantastic relative to his ADP. Many people think MJD is 'the guy' in Jax, but thats just not the case, at least not now..Taylor had a superb 2007 season, and will look to keep that momentum going 2008.



Chris Henry ( Tenn) will be an impact player in 2008, simply because Lendale White is slow, and his YPC avg is horrible. White

is quickly proving to be a bust, and Henry might make a play on that starting role this summer..

If LT has problems staying healthy, Darren Sproles might become the best backup RB in the NFL, now that Michael Turner is gone.

I don't hear anyone talking about Julius Jones in Seattle, I think he's up for a big year. The Seattle Oline is massive, and JJ fits in well with the Seahawks' scheme.

Kenny Irons, if healthy, will get a long look in preseason for the Bengals..with his talent,he should easily beat out C. Perry

and Watson for the #2 role with the team. He's more versatile than Rudi, and could be the Bengals starting RB before the season is over.

Fred Jackson, Buffalo. He performed well in limited duty last season,filling in for Marshawn Lynch. If Lynch can't stay healthy in 2008, expect to see Jackson get the bulk of the carries for the Bills.

Jackson averaged 5.1 YPC last season vs. Lynch's 3.9..With his abilities, Jackson should see more playing time. Lynch's hard-running style could lead to injuries somewhere down the road.

 
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i like Chris Brown in a zone-blocking system in Houston, should be a good fit. I could see him pushing 30+ Ahman Green for more carries. Of course he needs to stay healthy, that will never happen. But it's a really good situation worth the risk when he's the 35th RB chosen
Chrissy Brown? nah. He's ruined many a fantasy season with his hype and 'speed' and so on, and frankly, he's nothing more than a 300-400 yard/season guy..Ron Dayne is better option for Houston than either Green or Brown at this point. I think they draft a RB, perhaps Jonathan Stewart in the first round, but they will most definitely pick a RB within the first 2 picks, IMO. Whomever they select will be the starting RB in Houston this season and beyond. It's the one missing piece to their jigsaw puzzle, they've gotten better defensively, they have the

stud WR's, they just need that RB to complete the picture.

If you're looking for sleepers, I like guys like Fred Taylor, who's performance will be fantastic relative to his ADP. Many people think MJD is 'the guy' in Jax, but thats just not the case, at least not now..Taylor had a superb 2007 season, and will look to keep that momentum going 2008.



Chris Henry ( Tenn) will be an impact player in 2008, simply because Lendale White is slow, and his YPC avg is horrible. White

is quickly proving to be a bust, and Henry might make a play on that starting role this summer..

If LT has problems staying healthy, Darren Sproles might become the best backup RB in the NFL, now that Michael Turner is gone.

I don't hear anyone talking about Julius Jones in Seattle, I think he's up for a big year. The Seattle Oline is massive, and JJ fits in well with the Seahawks' scheme.

Kenny Irons, if healthy, will get a long look in preseason for the Bengals..with his talent,he should easily beat out C. Perry

and Watson for the #2 role with the team. He's more versatile than Rudi, and could be the Bengals starting RB before the season is over.

Fred Jackson, Buffalo. He performed well in limited duty last season,filling in for Marshawn Lynch. If Lynch can't stay healthy in 2008, expect to see Jackson get the bulk of the carries for the Bills.

Jackson averaged 5.1 YPC last season vs. Lynch's 3.9..With his abilities, Jackson should see more playing time. Lynch's hard-running style could lead to injuries somewhere down the road.
:yawn: However, I'd think the Kenny Irons is going to have a hard time leapfrogging Kenny Watson. Watson is a pretty good back, he won't just stand down.

Jones is a great one. He could have a nice season.

I don't think Sproles is better than MJD or Chester Taylor. He's too small to carry the load if LT gets hurt.

 
Chris Perry

Kenny Irons

Justin Fargas

Michael Bush

Chris Brown

Cadillac

Kevin Jones

Cleveland backup

Arizona backup

Chester Taylor

Colts backup

Sammy Morris

Depending on what happens in the draft, and whether you play in a redraft or dynasty, many of these players are very inexpensive considering their upside.

 
az_prof said:
I love M. Moore and he can play, but I resolved myself a while ago to the fact that he can't be a featured back--he gets dinged up way too often. He could be a top 30 back in a job share, but not a top 15.

Woolf? Guy is a midget. When has anyone that small ever done anything meaningful in the NFL? For the Bears? No. They will draft a rookie who will be the most likely RB to put up numbers in that offense.

Booker? Guy had every opportunity in the world last year and when you put that in the context of a disappointing college career, it is hard to see how he can project as anything more than a role player. In PPR he could also be a top 40-50 guy, but that's tops.

Bell? No way Detroit doesn't make RB a top priority in draft. If the guy they draft gets hurt in pre-season, yes, there is a chance, but anyone who looks at Bell as more than a backup is making a risky move.

I like the Pierre Thomas suggestion, although even if he beats out or replaces Deuce (which I expect), he will still share carries with Bush. I could see him being a top 20-25 guy unless Bush also gets hurt (again).

SOMEone in Oakland: don't know yet if it will M. Bush, Fargas, or a rookie, but I think someone will emerge there and put up good numbers. Safe money is Fargas, but if we are looking for sleepers I would say M. Bush or a rookie that they draft (if Bush is permanently damaged goods).
Not a Booker apologist, but I don't think he had plenty of chances. Yes, the door was open for him when Ronnie went down, but the fact that he didn't get more touches might possibly been a result of Cameron holding him back rather than him not having the talent. In the eight games he did play he had something like a 4.5 yd/carry average and only dropped 8 passes thrown his way. I still think the jury is out, which means he could fall into a sleeper category. Deep sleeper, now that he'll have to leapfrog 'Up in Smoke'.Edit to add:

Just ran across this page at MiamiHerald: http://www.miamiherald.com/616/story/480992.html

In it, Sparano said, "Even if Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams are healthy -- which the team expects by training camp -- Sparano said Booker is ``a guy you've got to get touches for. He's an exciting player . . . jumps off the film.''

 
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Now that Graham & agent Rosenhaus have said they want Barlow money I would keep the Bucs backups on your radar. Bennet has had a while to learn the system, and Dunn still has some gas in the tank. Besides, like I have said before Sears had more to do with the success of the run game than Graham did.

fwiw, the Bucs had Jamaal Charles & Chris Johnson in for workouts.

 
Don't sleep on Sammy Morris. He is flying way under the radar after the chest injury cut his 2007 short. But he was the more productive of the NE backs when healthy.

I also like the Musa Smith call. He was a terror in college and I'm suprised he hasn't made more of an impact in the NFL.

From the Boston Globe:

Mike Reiss and Christopher L. Gapser, of the Boston Globe, report New England Patriots RB Sammy Morris (chest) is optimistic he will be able to contribute to the team in 2008 after a chest injury shortened his 2007 campaign in mid-October. Morris continues to recover from a sternum clavicle separation. "I'm really pleased with my progress," said Morris, noting that he began lifting weights about six weeks ago. "The doctors say everything looks good and that it was a freak injury, but that guys bounce back from it…More importantly, the way I feel, physically, just being able to do stuff and that I can push myself - at the same time not overdoing it - I feel optimistic about being able to contribute this year."

 
I'll throw Michael Bush out there. He was thought to be a 1st rounder prior to his injury and if the Raiders to skip on McFadden, his competition is an aging Rhodes and Fargas. I know they just resigned Fargas, but if you look at his contract compared to the other contracts they doled out this off season, it is pretty clear to me that they view Fragas as a backup.

I'd also like to see where Lamont Jordan ends up. He ran very well last year before he was injured and then it just seemed like the Raiders made up their mind to move on and he got very few opportunities after that. It would not surprise me if he does not sign anywhere until the preseason (same with Musa Smith). It is hard to be too bullish on those two considering it is a pretty heavy RB draft, but it only takes one or two injuries to open up a nice spot for him.

 
Fred Jackson, Buffalo. He performed well in limited duty last season,filling in for Marshawn Lynch. If Lynch can't stay healthy in 2008, expect to see Jackson get the bulk of the carries for the Bills.

Jackson averaged 5.1 YPC last season vs. Lynch's 3.9..With his abilities, Jackson should see more playing time. Lynch's hard-running style could lead to injuries somewhere down the road.
:confused: I love this kid. He's a hard runner and can catch out the back field. He even scored decent once Lynch came back. As time goes by I think you'll see him on the field more and more. I've already picked him up, with Pierre Thomas, in my off-season free agency. This is your last warning grab him why you still can.

 
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Fred Jackson, Buffalo. He performed well in limited duty last season,filling in for Marshawn Lynch. If Lynch can't stay healthy in 2008, expect to see Jackson get the bulk of the carries for the Bills.

Jackson averaged 5.1 YPC last season vs. Lynch's 3.9..With his abilities, Jackson should see more playing time. Lynch's hard-running style could lead to injuries somewhere down the road.
:pics: I love this kid. He's a hard runner and can catch out the back field. He even scored decent once Lynch came back. As time goes by I think you'll see him on the field more and more. I've already picked him up, with Pierre Thomas, in my off-season free agency. This is your last warning grab him why you still can.
The problem here is he is not a kid. He is 27 years old. His only success will come if Lynch goes down, and even then Buffalo drafted Dwayne Wright last year in the 4th round who is as talented as Jackson. Jackson played well last season but Wright could very well out play Jackson and become the primary back up. Still, he is worth a late round pick and has shown that he can produce if given the chance.

 
The problem here is he is not a kid. He is 27 years old. His only success will come if Lynch goes down, and even then Buffalo drafted Dwayne Wright last year in the 4th round who is as talented as Jackson. Jackson played well last season but Wright could very well out play Jackson and become the primary back up. Still, he is worth a late round pick and has shown that he can produce if given the chance.
I'd kill to be 27 again, so to me he's a kid. :popcorn:
 
The problem here is he is not a kid. He is 27 years old. His only success will come if Lynch goes down, and even then Buffalo drafted Dwayne Wright last year in the 4th round who is as talented as Jackson. Jackson played well last season but Wright could very well out play Jackson and become the primary back up. Still, he is worth a late round pick and has shown that he can produce if given the chance.
I'd kill to be 27 again, so to me he's a kid. :(
Ha ha well he is young in real life; however, as far as NFL RB age he is not so young. Lynch the youngest player on the Bills is 21 for comaprisons sake.
 
i like Chris Brown in a zone-blocking system in Houston, should be a good fit. I could see him pushing 30+ Ahman Green for more carries. Of course he needs to stay healthy, that will never happen. But it's a really good situation worth the risk when he's the 35th RB chosen
Chrissy Brown? nah. He's ruined many a fantasy season with his hype and 'speed' and so on, and frankly, he's nothing more than a 300-400 yard/season guy..Ron Dayne is better option for Houston than either Green or Brown at this point. I think they draft a RB, perhaps Jonathan Stewart in the first round, but they will most definitely pick a RB within the first 2 picks, IMO. Whomever they select will be the starting RB in Houston this season and beyond. It's the one missing piece to their jigsaw puzzle, they've gotten better defensively, they have the

stud WR's, they just need that RB to complete the picture.

If you're looking for sleepers, I like guys like Fred Taylor, who's performance will be fantastic relative to his ADP. Many people think MJD is 'the guy' in Jax, but thats just not the case, at least not now..Taylor had a superb 2007 season, and will look to keep that momentum going 2008.



Chris Henry ( Tenn) will be an impact player in 2008, simply because Lendale White is slow, and his YPC avg is horrible. White

is quickly proving to be a bust, and Henry might make a play on that starting role this summer..

If LT has problems staying healthy, Darren Sproles might become the best backup RB in the NFL, now that Michael Turner is gone.

I don't hear anyone talking about Julius Jones in Seattle, I think he's up for a big year. The Seattle Oline is massive, and JJ fits in well with the Seahawks' scheme.

Kenny Irons, if healthy, will get a long look in preseason for the Bengals..with his talent,he should easily beat out C. Perry

and Watson for the #2 role with the team. He's more versatile than Rudi, and could be the Bengals starting RB before the season is over.

Fred Jackson, Buffalo. He performed well in limited duty last season,filling in for Marshawn Lynch. If Lynch can't stay healthy in 2008, expect to see Jackson get the bulk of the carries for the Bills.

Jackson averaged 5.1 YPC last season vs. Lynch's 3.9..With his abilities, Jackson should see more playing time. Lynch's hard-running style could lead to injuries somewhere down the road.
:goodposting: However, I'd think the Kenny Irons is going to have a hard time leapfrogging Kenny Watson. Watson is a pretty good back, he won't just stand down.

Jones is a great one. He could have a nice season.

I don't think Sproles is better than MJD or Chester Taylor. He's too small to carry the load if LT gets hurt.
I love Sproles. I agree with post that he is probably not every down guy if LT goes down, but I also think he has value even if LT stays healthy. SD needs to start lightening the load a bit for LT and Sproles is lightning in a bottle. He's a freak of nature and could put up RB 15-20 type numbers in PPR if given 8-10 carries and 4-6 catches per game, due to home run potential.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50_Z-JGL-O4

 

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