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***EPL 2017-18 Fantasy League*** Drafting - Gianmarco finally picked (1 Viewer)

Kafka said:
Use the handgestures that are yours by birthright...to emphasize your point more, you dumb dago...He is a londonloving mick, after all, & we all know how dense they can be.

...wrongthread?...
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Is it wrong that I initially read that as long-dong-loving?

 
Sinn Fein said:
Right now - this is the stumbling block.

First match is 8/11 - Arsenal v. Leicester 

So we have 1 week to get part of the draft done, and then 3 days to complete it from 8/8.  Or, we pick a date/time - 5ish hours I think to do the entire draft - between August 8th and 10th - with multiple time-zones - I think we are looking at maybe doing it in two shifts - maybe 8/8 9:PM ET to 11:PM ET, and then wrapping up at the same time the next night?
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@gianmarco...you like the fact that you're a stumbling block?

 
FreeBaGeL said:
Didn't we do a slow draft on the forum last year?  Or am I misremembering?
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We did - but we are running into some time constraints with multiple people not able to draft in the 2nd half of July into August.

I think you are correct though about people needing time to research that is not conducive to a quick real-time draft.

 
I could maybe make a thread draft work the times I'm on vacation (July 14-23), the problem is I won't be at work where I can do research while not working.  I'll be trying to draft while waiting on my wife in the mornings and evenings while on vacation.  Not ideal, but my team won't suck any worse that it did last season.

 
The other option is doing a slow draft here but with a pretty stringent timer on picks.  We have to pick a 3-4 days that we can mostly be around and it might involve sending a short list of players to other owners.  With 17 rounds, if we can get through 4 rounds/day we can get it done.  That means we need 56 picks/day.  At around 4 picks/hour, we're looking at an average pick time of 15 minutes.  We can probably get by with a 30 minute time limit per pick and see how it goes.  And while it sucks, may just have to go with draft continuing if someone's time is expired and they can jump in whenever they are back. 

 
gianmarco said:
The other option is doing a slow draft here but with a pretty stringent timer on picks.  We have to pick a 3-4 days that we can mostly be around and it might involve sending a short list of players to other owners.  With 17 rounds, if we can get through 4 rounds/day we can get it done.  That means we need 56 picks/day.  At around 4 picks/hour, we're looking at an average pick time of 15 minutes.  We can probably get by with a 30 minute time limit per pick and see how it goes.  And while it sucks, may just have to go with draft continuing if someone's time is expired and they can jump in whenever they are back. 
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I would hate to put timers on say, the first 3-4 rounds - that is when everyone is still drafting players they know.  I do think a timer starting in round 5 makes sense - at that point, the "stars" are gone, and people are choosing from a lot of similar players.  So, if you get skipped, you are probably still going to get the player you wanted as everyone has different thoughts and positions to fill.

 
Sinn Fein said:
I would hate to put timers on say, the first 3-4 rounds - that is when everyone is still drafting players they know.  I do think a timer starting in round 5 makes sense - at that point, the "stars" are gone, and people are choosing from a lot of similar players.  So, if you get skipped, you are probably still going to get the player you wanted as everyone has different thoughts and positions to fill.
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That sounds good.  But, we need to try and pick a day like you mentioned and make a concerted effort to all be around and knock out a good portion of it as a "slow draft".

 
I have no problem with any draft format you guys decide on. I may take on a new work assignment in the next couple weeks, but it shouldn't be a problem.

Just tell me when to make the die roll and I'll be ready. Cheers

:banned:

 
drunken slob said:
I have no problem with any draft format you guys decide on. I may take on a new work assignment in the next couple weeks, but it shouldn't be a problem.

Just tell me when to make the die roll and I'll be ready. Cheers

:banned:
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Experienced player that I am, they'll still #####...

#outsidelookin'in

 
Sinn Fein said:
Obviously, people can leave lists - but that comes with the danger of giving away your closely held secrets ....
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Since I'm not participating, this reminds me that I'm usually around and can function as an auto-drafter for somebody who won't be in contact when their turn comes up. If you use me, you won't be giving away any trade secrets with your lists.

 
So I have an idea that might help this as well as make things interesting.  What about making this a keeper league?

I'm thinking we do a total of up to 6 keepers.  That's about 1/3rd of the team.  This accomplishes a few things:

1)  Makes the draft shorter.  While not everyone will keep 6, it still can cut the needed time to draft by 25%

2)  Some carry over from last year is good.  Both for the owners to keep interest as well as for the bottom teams to have them keep some interest going into the following year.  We could actually allow some prospective adds that might kick in for the following year?

3)  For the lower teams that don't have as many keepers, they can throw their players back and get a few top picks.

4)  We could do a reverse order draft from last year's finish.

I think there's enough turnover from year to year plus with transfers (both good players leaving and good players coming in) that I don't think it's going to allow a team to get too strong.  So if a team throws back all 6 keepers and everyone else has at least 2 keepers, then that team will get to pick the top 2 players. 

We could make a rule like "you may only keep up to 2 players per position" if you guys think it might help although I don't think that's necessary.  If we do this, we can have someone set up a "keeper" email account that everyone submits their keepers by a certain deadline soon and then we can set up the draft order.  Those first 6 rounds will go super fast as it may only be a total of 15-20 picks.  Next thing you know, we're on round 7 and we can knock it out in 2-3 days if we needed to.

Thoughts?

 
gianmarco said:
So I have an idea that might help this as well as make things interesting.  What about making this a keeper league?

I'm thinking we do a total of up to 6 keepers.  That's about 1/3rd of the team.  This accomplishes a few things:

1)  Makes the draft shorter.  While not everyone will keep 6, it still can cut the needed time to draft by 25%

2)  Some carry over from last year is good.  Both for the owners to keep interest as well as for the bottom teams to have them keep some interest going into the following year.  We could actually allow some prospective adds that might kick in for the following year?

3)  For the lower teams that don't have as many keepers, they can throw their players back and get a few top picks.

4)  We could do a reverse order draft from last year's finish.

I think there's enough turnover from year to year plus with transfers (both good players leaving and good players coming in) that I don't think it's going to allow a team to get too strong.  So if a team throws back all 6 keepers and everyone else has at least 2 keepers, then that team will get to pick the top 2 players. 

We could make a rule like "you may only keep up to 2 players per position" if you guys think it might help although I don't think that's necessary.  If we do this, we can have someone set up a "keeper" email account that everyone submits their keepers by a certain deadline soon and then we can set up the draft order.  Those first 6 rounds will go super fast as it may only be a total of 15-20 picks.  Next thing you know, we're on round 7 and we can knock it out in 2-3 days if we needed to.

Thoughts?
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I like the thought of a keeper league.  Now, just convince the others...

 
gianmarco said:
So I have an idea that might help this as well as make things interesting.  What about making this a keeper league?

I'm thinking we do a total of up to 6 keepers.  That's about 1/3rd of the team.  This accomplishes a few things:

1)  Makes the draft shorter.  While not everyone will keep 6, it still can cut the needed time to draft by 25%

2)  Some carry over from last year is good.  Both for the owners to keep interest as well as for the bottom teams to have them keep some interest going into the following year.  We could actually allow some prospective adds that might kick in for the following year?

3)  For the lower teams that don't have as many keepers, they can throw their players back and get a few top picks.

4)  We could do a reverse order draft from last year's finish.

I think there's enough turnover from year to year plus with transfers (both good players leaving and good players coming in) that I don't think it's going to allow a team to get too strong.  So if a team throws back all 6 keepers and everyone else has at least 2 keepers, then that team will get to pick the top 2 players. 

We could make a rule like "you may only keep up to 2 players per position" if you guys think it might help although I don't think that's necessary.  If we do this, we can have someone set up a "keeper" email account that everyone submits their keepers by a certain deadline soon and then we can set up the draft order.  Those first 6 rounds will go super fast as it may only be a total of 15-20 picks.  Next thing you know, we're on round 7 and we can knock it out in 2-3 days if we needed to.

Thoughts?
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Part One:

I have no problem with a Keeper League. In fact, I would enjoy this even more if we converted over to a Keeper format. 

Even with the Final-Week moves I made last season, I can find ten of the players on my final roster to carry over to this season. (Not all would be starters, so to speak, but the quality is there.) I dropped a couple guys (injured, with no chance of making any team let alone the game-day squad) that would push the number higher.

Part Two:

Your bullet point #1 -- Agree

Your bullet point #2 -- Agree

Your bullet point #3 -- Need to see the details regarding these situations.

Your bullet point #4 -- All my magic football leagues employ this method, not a problem, and certainly equitable, as long as the league membership doesn't change.

Part Three:

The only problem I can see at this time is there are currently sixteen players signed up to take part this upcoming season. That means that all the owners from last season are returning and we have two new owners, @shader and @B Maverick. Shader and B Mav  don't have any Keeps available due to the fact that this will be their first year. How would this be resolved?

@shader is a Liverpool guy, that means @The Gator would be able to keep at least two of the players he would seek to add to his team via the Draft along with the owner of Mane and me with E. Can (under-rated, :2cents: ) further limiting his options.

@B Maverick is a Man U guy, I believe. So, the teams able to carry over Lukaku, Pogba, and De Gea (should he stay), would prevent him from ever having a chance at acquiring those players via the Draft.

And, yes I know, they may not want any of those players. All the same, I make these points from a magic football perspective because we all want guys that are on, "Our Team."

Part Four:

This upcoming season will be my third and ,TBH, I spend more time and energy on this league than any of the three magic football leagues that I commission. I'm just some dude sitting in a shack at the bottom of a hill. However, I can't tell you how much joy and consternation I derive from being part of this.

If we can't get to a Keeper League this season, I would certainly be happy making the conversion next May to go into 2018-2019. 

@Sinn Fein @Eephus @Christo thanks to you for all your hard work.

Congrats again to @JMon348 for his championship

And thanks to @gianmarco for the well thought out post.

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If everyone is in why don't we start the draft ASAP and go slow? I will do my best to check in once a day when I'm en Espana. We don't have to be completely done by 8/8, just enough to get an inital line-up.

 
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Not in favor of a keeper league, but I suppose I'm ok with it if that's the consensus.

Cool with whatever we want to do RE: drafting.

 
I'm OK with keeper or full re-draft.  I'd maybe slightly prefer keeper if it came down to needing a tiebreaker, but I'm cool either way.

I'm fine with either live or slow draft too.  Only reason I like the slow draft is I (and I think I speak for a few others here as well) end up needing some time to research my picks since I'm still not up on the intricacies of teams beyond my favorite.  It would be one thing if it were the NFL where there is a pretty clear and easy to find consensus but there's just not much good info out there on EPL fantasy.  A lot of times it took me a bit to figure out if the guy I was looking at in the 5th round is someone that would still be there in the 20th or if I was even in the right stratosphere.  It would be tough on a 60 second timer.  I'm sure we could all make it work though so if that's what we need to do, no sweat.

One other advantage of the live draft is that we'd have a little more clarity on transfers.  If we started a slow draft right now there are several guys that would be first round picks that could end up not even playing in the EPL this year, which would be pretty brutal for their owners.  Maybe that adds to the fun though, so long as it's Gator and Christo that end up with them.

 
No on keepers.  My big objection is transfers.  I spend a high pick on someone like Rashford, then next year he's playing in LaLiga.  

Start the draft now!

 
Before I forget:

Yes on keepers, but after reading the @Poke_4_Life post, I understand the, "No," position and have no problem keeping the re-draft format.

No on Auto Subs. I like having control of my roster up to the five minutes before kick-off.

Let's get some die-rolls going and clear out a couple rounds :headbang:

:banned:

 
@Sinn Fein, or anybody else, have you been able to figure out how to disable that damn header that floats down the page when you're looking at League pages? Is there a commissioner or owner setting that can be employed to disable that like on the MFL pages? TIA

Did some individual searching and can't find a way to make that floater go away. I sent a support ticket to Fantrax, just in case. :scared:

:banned:

 
I think auto-subs helps competitive balance which is critical in H2H leagues.  There are always a few owners that lose interest as the long season goes on.  Auto-subs would make those matchups a bit more competitive.  You should win or lose based on player performance, not because you guessed wrong on lineup rotation.

It ain't just a West Coast vs. East Coast thing.

 
Eephus said:
I think auto-subs helps competitive balance which is critical in H2H leagues.  There are always a few owners that lose interest as the long season goes on.  Auto-subs would make those matchups a bit more competitive.  You should win or lose based on player performance, not because you guessed wrong on lineup rotation.

It ain't just a West Coast vs. East Coast thing.
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Gonna :dot: this for now cause I've downed to much booze.

But, can already say, there are certain weekends that auto's won't make a difference. Not to mention, when double game weeks occur and a player is locked after playing on a Wednesday/Thursday and benched on Saturday/Sunday or even Monday.

Hell, I won a game back in May because I had a guy play and only score a two in the midweek and then come in as a sub on Monday and collect a goal. My opponent had the GK for the same team and he started midweek and was benched for the second game, thus depriving his team of two points plus saves. My margin of victory was greater than the combined GK score, but all the same, auto-subs wouldn't have made a difference in that situation. Just my :2cents:

 
Just got this back from Fantrax :rant: :

Sorry there isn't.

Thanks,
Neil
The Fantrax Team

On Mon, 10 Jul 2017, DRUNKEN SLOB FC wrote:

League ID: hodcg2hgj3cx9hl7 (PREMIUM)
League Name (Premier League 2017-2018 Reg): FFA EPL 2016-17
Team Name: Drunken Slob FC

Username: drunkenslob (Member since Jul 20, 2015) [N]
Sent: Mon Jul 10 23:25:49 EDT 2017
Server: app5

Is there a way to disable the floating header on the league pages? On the
MyFantasyLeague website, owners are have the option for a fixed or
floating header. I don't like the floating header because it interferes
with the way I view pages. I prefer the fixed header and have searched the
functions and can't see a way to disable the floater. Any help would be
appreciated.Thank you

 
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